Ford new crate motor Eluminator

[Old Timer]

https://www.carthrottle.com/post/the-eluminator-is-fords-incoming-electric-crate-motor/?f


The 'Eluminator' Is Ford's Incoming Electric Crate Motor

Ford Performance has teased a new electric crate motor which will be revealed at the 2021 SEMA show

[lance corsi]

It all depends upon our relationship with China for batteries. No thank you.

[PhilO]

Interested to see the price. I like the concepts but people seem to miss that with a regular crate engine, 15K gets you almost everything you need to move the car. The fuel system is cheap in comparison. On an electric motor, it may be 15K, but you have 15-20K in batteries and control systems left to buy unless you do a donor. Definitely see this still as a niche, super expensive option for awhile yet.

[J R Jones]

A Tesla "3" battery is 85 X 58 X 4.5 inches and weighs 1200 lbs. Ebay had one recently for $12K. Kia (100hp) batteries are 640 lbs. Connectors ??

https://www.hemmings.com/stories/2021/08/23/fordse-crate-electric-motor-eluminator?refer=news&utm_source=edaily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2021-08-23

jim

[JohnK]

It all depends upon our relationship with China for batteries. No thank you.

LOL, I hate to break the news to you but we are dependent on many, many countries for many, many things.

[lance corsi]

I’m well aware of this but not every country has an overarching policy to take down my country! It’s never too late to think USA first!

[JohnK]

Not interested in getting into a political discussion with you on this forum, but your views are quaint at best.

[lance corsi]

Thanks JohnK. Chevy Bolt. Nuff said.
I think this subject needs further discussion. Electric cars are not the silver bullet to our carbon problem. They may have some good attributes but also drawbacks. It isn’t time to throw out 175 years of engineering and innovation on our piston engines just yet. I believe that with further development, the electric car will rival the gas cars but let’s put it to the test and allow the free market to decide winners and losers. Right now, the electrification of automobiles is being heavily subsidized by our government. Everything has its place in the hierarchy of transportation but no single one holds all the answers.

[lance corsi]

All this from a “quaint thinker”!

[JohnK]

By all means, let's let the free market decide! Let's begin by eliminating subsidies to big oil companies. It'll be fascinating to see what happens when gas is $10+ per gallon. Any guesses why you don't see big V8's in most of the rest of the world? While we're at it, let's get rid of corn subsidies and stop kidding ourselves that ethanol is a cheap and viable source of "renewable energy." If you think the "free market" has anything at all to do with consumer choices, I have a bridge to sell you.

Edited to add: Dave, I know your position on politics on this forum and I'm trying to be respectful of that by keeping this to economics rather than politics while still carrying on a conversation, but if you prefer I'm happy to delete this.

-John

[lance corsi]

Big engines you say? What kind of fuel economy do you suppose the container ships get? What about their emissions? Two good reasons to manufacture goods within our country. I’m not arguing that subsidies are good. Necessary maybe. One thing is true, without transportation, the economy is dead. Cheap energy no matter the form. I don’t like waste either. That is my reasoning behind building an 818.

[JohnK]

You're kind of all over the map with your arguments. In one sentence you point out the emissions of container ships, and in the next you say "cheap energy, no matter the form." Which is it? You say subsidies of electric cars are bad, and that the free market should decide, but then say that subsidies are maybe necessary? For which industries are they necessary?

The central theme that I'm hearing is "electrical bad. Oil good." USA!!! Whether you like it or not, fossil fuels are on the way out. The US can choose to adapt and benefit economically, or throw a giant tantrum about it while the rest of the world takes the leadership role and we're relegated to being some third-world has-been country that longs for the good ol' days.

[RJD]

How about a moment of zen?

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[lance corsi]

What do you know for sure that the rest of us don’t? I’ve heard lots of things in my life but arguing about hearsay is quite unproductive. I think this is the juncture where both sides have to allow for the existence of the other. That is all I’m saying. Can’t we all just....get along?

[JohnK]

Hey Lance, I certainly don't pretend to know everything and am always open to hearing other perspectives. But let me throw out a few data points for you. GM has said that they will stop producing gas powered vehicles by 2035. The EU has proposed a ban on the sale of all gas powered cars by 2035. Here in the US, Washington state proposes to ban the sale of gas powered cars by 2030 and California by 2035. I could go on and on.

My point is this - we're well beyond the 'hearsay' point in this debate. You have to really be trying hard to not connect the dots and see that fossil fuels are going away. The economic cost of ignoring this for us as a country is catastrophic. Rather than embracing it and leading the way in the development of EV's and battery technologies that don't make us reliant on other countries, we seem to think that if we can keep the cost of gasoline cheap, this will all go away like a bad dream. Tesla has already proven that the US can make great EV's and can manufacture batteries at scale. I would think that anyone that wants to see good-paying American jobs and to see the US be a leader in this new upcoming field would be jumping on this bandwagon, no? Help me understand the reluctance to see it for what it is?

[lance corsi]

John, I’ve read the same doomsday arguments. The deadlines are all man-made and can be changed at a whim. My argument is not that the ones in charge plan to obsolete gas but rather that the electrification will prove to be only marginally better if at all. The means of manufacturing such electric vehicles hasn’t been realized until the mining, transport, manufacturing costs can be tallied. And what about recycling of spent batteries? Maybe I’m wrong but don’t we get a significant portion of out electric power from fossil fuels? What are the environmental impacts of these problem areas?
Also, the Chinese are positioning themselves to be the major battery manufacturer, much of their plans include lithium mined in Afghanistan. This is problematic for several reasons, not the least of which is enrichening many terrorist countries. This is not okay with me. Are these good enough reasons to give one pause to reflect?

[David Hodgkins]

smh.