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Railroad
07-19-2021, 03:21 PM
https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a37022836/california-ecu-tune-during-smog-checks/
Hope this does not cramp the built car hobby.
JohnK
07-19-2021, 03:50 PM
https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a37022836/california-ecu-tune-during-smog-checks/
Hope this does not cramp the built car hobby.
I'm going to guess that it will depend on how the vehicle is registered. If I understand correctly (I have not gotten through the CA SB100 process yet myself but have read a lot about it) you have the choice to register the vehicle based on the year of the car it replicates (in this case 1965 for the roadster) or the year of the engine (not sure why anyone would do that). If it's registered as a 1965 car, then no smog check is required, and thus no checking for custom tune. This is probably a bigger issue for folks with newer cars that are doing custom tunes. CA does not require a smog check for the first 5 years of a cars life, but then you have to do smog checks after that. So all the 6+ year old Mustangs with custom tunes will be impacted by this.
The BMW forums are going nuts over the new law. Not sure how this will affect builders using Coyote or LS engines since crate engine tunes are likely not consistent and in a database that the state could compare them to.
JohnK
07-19-2021, 04:43 PM
I honestly can't see why this would anything more than an inconvenience. Once every couple of years, you spend all of 60 seconds loading the OEM tune, and then after your smog check you spend another whopping 60 seconds loading your custom tune. This is roughly on par with mismatched socks on my annoyance meter.
David Hodgkins
07-19-2021, 07:12 PM
Not really relevant for SB100 (SPCNS) registration, as those vehicles are smog exempt if based on body type, as explained above.
:)
rich grsc
07-19-2021, 09:08 PM
In ten years gasoline powered cars will be outlawed in Cali, and all the battery powered cars will only be allowed on the road twice a week as there is no electricity to charge the batteries. :rolleyes: Bicycles will be the go to means of transportation. :p
GThompson
07-20-2021, 10:15 AM
In ten years gasoline powered cars will be outlawed in Cali, and all the battery powered cars will only be allowed on the road twice a week as there is no electricity to charge the batteries. :rolleyes: Bicycles will be the go to means of transportation. :p
In 10 years everyone will stay home, no traveling, virtual everything, and the only vehicles on the road will be Amazon delivery vehicles…
ggunter
07-20-2021, 11:51 AM
It is no wonder people are leaving Ca. in droves. Between the taxes, the cost of living, CARB, and the fact the state is broke, it's no wonder people are leaving the state.I really feel bad for you guys who are trying to put your dream car together only to be smacked in the face by Ca. red tape that goes on and on and on. I always read the posts of what people have to do to get these cars registered and on the road and man when I come to one from California I cringe. From what I read 6,8,10,weeks is not uncommon and it's one appt after another. In my industry ( the world of heavy trucks) I see that CARB has spilled over into other states like Pa. and New Jersey who are now using CARB emission standards instead of the Federal guidelines, and they are looking for other states to opt in and join the crusade. As goofy as my state is in red tape and taxes, it's a walk in the park to get one of these cars registered. For you Ca. guys, keep up the good fight because you really have to wanna drive these cars. I'm not bashing Ca. it's one of the most beautiful places in the country, but the politics box needs to be shaken up a lot.
JohnK
07-20-2021, 12:17 PM
The notion that people are leaving CA in droves is just not true. Some people left at the start of the pandemic, as their employers allowed them to work remotely. Guess what - most of those people are now moving back. The real estate market at the moment is just ridiculously hot in the Bay Area as people are flocking back to CA.
I grew up in the SF Bay Area. As a kid, I remember not being able to see the hills around me most days in the summer because of all the smog. Yes, CARB has some strict regulations but I will tell you that air quality in pretty much all urban areas in CA is vastly better now than it was 30 years ago despite the population having ballooned. That's a tradeoff I'll happily take. OK, so it'll take me a few extra weeks to get my roadster registered when it's done. I'm frankly OK with that. I'm also OK with my next daily driver being an electric car. I'm not a big Tesla fan myself, but I've driven a few non-Tesla EV's lately that were not just great EV's but flat-out great cars, and we haven't even begun to see the really great EV offerings that are in the pipeline That's the future, whether we like it or not. It doesn't have to be black-and-white... gas or electric. In fact, the way I see it, the greater the adoption of EV's as daily drivers, public transportation, etc., the more tolerance there will be of "enthusiast" gas-powered cars.
Mike N
07-20-2021, 12:55 PM
In fact, the way I see it, the greater the adoption of EV's as daily drivers, public transportation, etc., the more tolerance there will be of "enthusiast" gas-powered cars.
I'm sure everyone here hopes that you are right about that. I have a feeling that it may not be such a rosy future for car enthusiasts, especially in California.
Hoooper
07-20-2021, 01:01 PM
I live in a city that recently banned construction of new gas stations. I can say for certain that acceptance of enthusiast gas powered cars is not a part of the plan...If anything you can expect that enthusiast gas powered cars will be the first target when we "have" to get those last gas powered cars off the road to save ourselves. When it comes down to the remaining gas powered cars being enthusiasts and the very poor, even though this state does seem to enjoy punishing the poor quite a bit, they will be coming for enthusiasts first.
CaptB
07-20-2021, 01:54 PM
Actually it is true, there are companies and people bugging out of California. However, the huge levels of illegals are replacing the citizens. If you are in California and move, please don't bring the politics of the state with you.
rtbellah
07-20-2021, 03:15 PM
Actually it is true, there are companies and people bugging out of California. However, the huge levels of illegals are replacing the citizens. If you are in California and move, please don't bring the politics of the state with you.
Amen to that...from an AZ boy!
DSR-3
07-20-2021, 03:31 PM
'Gotta love those expert opinions....
I'll still take it all over AZ, MD, or TN.
And no, it's not hard to register a kit car in CA.
David Hodgkins
07-20-2021, 03:41 PM
Still debating whether to delete some or all of the posts between this one and my previous one...
Let's keep it to tunes and smog checks please.
:)
frankeeski
07-20-2021, 03:44 PM
This thread went South really quick.
weendoggy
07-21-2021, 09:47 AM
This new test has nothing to do with SB100 rules. It's aimed at emission controlled vehicles and those who "skirt" the testing.
JohnK
07-21-2021, 10:18 AM
This thread went South really quick.
It just went in a different direction. Everything that needed to be said about the original topic has been said, and now we're just talking. As long as everyone's respectful, I don't see the harm.
Dave 53
07-21-2021, 03:00 PM
California isn't creating new rules. The old rules are being enforced. I blame the coal rolling diesel trucks and VW for pushing CARB into this corner. CARB's job is to protect California air and we have these diesel enthusiast giving CARB a giant dirty black middle finger to show their disapproval of electric cars. What should we expect to happen? I have no pity on VW or coal rolling companies and drivers that get fined for pushing CARB into changing their tune on enforcing old rules. Don't blame "California".
I'm unaware of any California threat to SB100 or any plans for retroactive smog rules on old / collector / enthusiast cars. I remember several years ago all the false buzz about California cracking down on gas powered lawn mowers! I still mow with a Honda.
Personally, I know of only one person that actually left California for tax and political reasons and there was a line of people beating down his door to buy his house. Some just complain and threaten to move, but there must be something good going on here because they don't actually leave. Yes, we have high taxes and it's not perfect, but I drive my roofless car on fun roads year round. I think you guys that need to put your car away for the winter are crazy to live where you live!
Maybe I'm just a non-political, glass is half full person. I enjoy and feel lucky to live in California!
Come visit! We have a really cool Cobra museum and a handful of Factory Five builders to have breakfast with not far from my home.
https://www.cobraexperience.org/
frankeeski
07-21-2021, 05:22 PM
It just went in a different direction.
South isn't a different direction?
David Hodgkins
07-21-2021, 06:19 PM
South isn't a different direction?
I think what Frank is getting at is that politics are not allowed here and in both our minds - as well as others i suspect - it got off track with at least some of the statements in most of the comments between my first and second thread posts.
A lot of us have seen it too many times when seemingly innocuous political statements are made on the forums and allowed. Threads go off the rails quickly, and then I get to make posts like this.
The alternative is to allow political discourse and that is a known Enthusiast Forum Killer.
So. No politics please.
:)