Power Steering Pump/Header interference issue.. Solved

[Blitzboy54]

I have discovered I have a problem connecting my Saginaw style PS pump to the hoses without interference with the shorty header. The pictures are pretty self explanatory. So the long and short is I need to either find a way to go directly in to a 90 out of the back of the pump or move the pump significantly toward the water pump. The fitting that is currently connected to outlet of the pump requires an 6an Male Flare to M14-1.5 O-ring fitting. I am open to using any kind of fitting that would get me to a 90 earlier although ultimately going to have to reduce the pressure to 800 psi as is required for a mustang II rack. At first I didn't think this was a big deal but as the day has gone on I'm having no luck with an over the counter solution.

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I'm open to any suggestion but would like to avoid really expensive ones like going to the full header for example. I would really hate to both eat the cost of my existing parts plus another $800.

I really appreciate any help

Thanks

Jesse

[Norm B]

Would this fitting work with your pump? https://www.cpperformance.com/p-11506-gm-saginaw-power-steering-banjo-fitting.aspx

Norm

[CraigS]

Norm that is brilliant. I was also wondering if you rotate the hose so it comes up and out over the top of the pump would it clear? A different hose end like this might also help.
https://www.amazon.com/Russell-610160-Anodized-Aluminum-90-Degree/dp/B000CPIJ1A/ref=asc_df_B000CPIJ1A?tag=bingshoppinga-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=80333120120411&hvnetw=o&hvqmt=e&hvbmt=be&hvdev=c&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=&hvtargid=pla-4583932709000111&psc=1

[rich grsc]

Craigs fitting should be used regardless. It's not a good idea to use a hard 90* on a line with high pressure and volume flow. The hard 90* fitting will increase the temperature of the PS fluid. Norms fitting is the wrong thread pitch?? If not that would be perfect.

[Blitzboy54]

Norm that is an excellent find. It’s the wrong thread for what I have but I may be able to change the out let fitting. My marriage requires that I do not work on the car today but will get back at it tomorrow

[Norm B]

Norm that is an excellent find. It’s the wrong thread for what I have but I may be able to change the out let fitting. My marriage requires that I do not work on the car today but will get back at it tomorrow
I was not sure what threads were on your pumps pressure fitting. There are many types of pressure fittings and connectors available. I am sure you can find a combination that will get you the required clearance.
Rich made a good point about heat. With the tight turns and the proximity to the headers and J pipe you are going to want a bigger than normal power steering fluid cooler. A small transmission cooler might work.

Norm

[Blitzboy54]

I was not sure what threads were on your pumps pressure fitting. There are many types of pressure fittings and connectors available. I am sure you can find a combination that will get you the required clearance.
Rich made a good point about heat. With the tight turns and the proximity to the headers and J pipe you are going to want a bigger than normal power steering fluid cooler. A small transmission cooler might work.

Norm

I was so focused on the interference I had not thought about the heat actually. The right move may be to modify to bracket to give me more space and add a cooler. All great points.

[weendoggy]

I'd consider using a PTFE style hose with your fittings or a special (although larger size) p/s hose for pressure, if not for all of them. jmo

[CraigS]

I eventually went to a real automotive insulation but for a while I had found some insulation at home depot, wrapped it around the hose and fittings and then wrapped that w/ the shiny foil tape they use on home hvac ducts.

[CDXXVII]

I used 150 degree fittings on the pump and the rack. Not sure if this will give you any more clearance. Like others have stated, the hard 90's are not a good idea.

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[Blitzboy54]

I solved it. The best solution for me was changing the bracket. I drilled and counter sunk to new mounting holes. Then rotated the pump out. I need a shorter belt but am able to return the old one as it’s unused.

To everyone’s earlier point I ordered a sweep style fitting from kegs to take the sharp corner away. Appreciate everyone’s advice.

Thanks.

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[Railroad]

Nice work!

[rich grsc]

One other thing I see, remove all the paint from the thermostat outlet where the hose attaches. You don't want an antifreeze bath from a blown off hose the first time it comes to full temp.

[Railroad]

One other thing I see, remove all the paint from the thermostat outlet where the hose attaches. You don't want an antifreeze bath from a blown off hose the first time it comes to full temp.

Good catch! I usually burnish the neck with sand paper or scotchbrite in a circular direction. It gives the hose something to bite onto.

[Blitzboy54]

One other thing I see, remove all the paint from the thermostat outlet where the hose attaches. You don't want an antifreeze bath from a blown off hose the first time it comes to full temp.

Another very good point. I powder coated the housing and taped off the top but should have left more neck to bite into. Will scuff that up.

Thanks guys