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bromikl
10-31-2011, 10:05 AM
If this was the only model produced, can you live with that?
I suspect everyone has a favorite, but also a close second and third; with only one or two designs on their no-go list.
Xabier's
5696
Olmos'
5697
Nouphone's
5698
Jim's
5699
Vman's
5700
Whetstone's
5701
crackedcornish
10-31-2011, 10:14 AM
good luck with your poll..I tried a similar thread after the winners were first announced. I was trying to get people to post pics of their top picks. But for some reason not too many people wanted to play along :(
http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showthread.php?2252-You-Be-The-Judge
bromikl
10-31-2011, 10:19 AM
There were so many great designs submitted. Most people's favorite of all 700 probably aren't even on the list. These are the ones I suspect have half a chance at being offered. I, for one, have always wanted a Porsche. That Carrera RS would be my first choice, but there's no chance of it being produced.
fateo66
10-31-2011, 01:05 PM
Lets add in RodneyO Big O car!
Flamshackle
11-01-2011, 05:36 AM
I hate to throw any water on this whole idea but I have to agree with the above poster. Loads of people's fav designs didn't make the cut. didn't a whole gaggle of people want a stratos replica? Also Dave Smith stated that he also loved the stratos shape.
Without V-mans porsche look alike rendered in 3D there is little to no chance of it going further.
I like V-mans design however and would love to see it as a cad model... Big question still hangs over it in regards to cost and ease of manufacture. Keep the images flowing V-man! And let this be a lesson for all those other designers that want a shot at having their design made. Continue development and if the community loves them then it will grab FFR's attention surely?
Niburu
11-01-2011, 09:46 AM
makes me wonder if there is an opportunity for say a third party body provider
an option whereby FFR is just providing the chassis
PhyrraM
11-01-2011, 12:10 PM
makes me wonder if there is an opportunity for say a third party body provider
an option whereby FFR is just providing the chassis
Ding, Ding, Ding.
I'm positive that our continued forum "discussions" are siphoning away engineering time from Jim and the team.
BrandonDrums
11-01-2011, 12:25 PM
With the ability to vote for as many as you like, it's hard to detract any translatable results with this poll. I voted for Xabier's design, and the options saying I'd pay more for a targa and pay more for weather seals and climate control. Others might be voting for everything, no way of determining if any design is winning or just on average getting 2nd or tritiary votes more than others.
mattster03
11-01-2011, 12:28 PM
makes me wonder if there is an opportunity for say a third party body provider
an option whereby FFR is just providing the chassis
This has crossed my mind a few times as well. The only problem is that it would take an unbelievable amount of time and effort... basically the same scale as what FFR will be doing over the next months.
Niburu
11-01-2011, 12:43 PM
To my mind there is nothing stopping a third party company from doing this immediatly other than not having a chassis to build off of, and well funding of course.
What would be better though (if this ever became a viable option) would be "FFR Approved" third party bodies and then offering a non-body chassis kit for something like $7500.
I could see this happening only after several hundred kits have been sold, but not from the get go.
Also, I still want Xabiers targa design over anything else I've seen thus far.
Rodneys O's design has grown on me signifigantly though.
Oppenheimer
11-01-2011, 12:55 PM
With the ability to vote for as many as you like, it's hard to detract any translatable results with this poll. ... no way of determining if any design is winning or just on average getting 2nd or tritiary votes more than others.
True, but I see a sort of Ven Diagram outcome. If my second choice is someone elses first choice, and anothers third choice, and that design shows up on more peoples list (as 1st, 2nd or whatever) than any other, that design would seem to be a better choice to build. It means that design has the most appeal overall. Even if its not my first choice, so long as its not on my 'would not buy' list, I'll still buy it. I expect the same to be true for most.
I think the only problem is if I am only interested in say, a top, and only one design ends up with a top, and that design is on my 'I would not buy that design' list, then FFR loses a sale. An easy solution to this is, have more than one design (they are already doing this), have more than one top option for each design (I hope they do this).
olpro
11-01-2011, 01:05 PM
The idea of third party bodies is good because it expands the body possibilities greatly. However, the FFR chassis will undoubtably undergo some modifications during their body design phase and any third party people would have to wait for that to conclude - and for FFR to release good 3D chassis data to design to.
Many companies do not want to release data for these things because someone could also end up competing with them for the chassis.
PhyrraM
11-01-2011, 01:12 PM
I was "caught" browsing forums today. I gave a brief description to the company owner as to what this forum was for. His response follows. I thought it funny, but basically true.
Individuals know what they want, but people (as a group) do not and never have. They tend to want what they are given.
Unfortunately, FFR must build for people, not individuals.
olpro
11-01-2011, 01:31 PM
"Individuals know what they want, but people (as a group) do not and never have. They tend to want what they are given."
Neither part of that statement is valid.
PhyrraM
11-01-2011, 01:47 PM
Neither part of that statement is valid.
Well, I would have qualified it with "Educated individuals know what they want", because I've certainly seen folks who have no idea what they want, but usually because they don't understand.
And unless there is some central rallying point or scapegoat, I have rarely seen any "groups" in concensus.
olpro
11-01-2011, 01:55 PM
It is a silly statement. You could make just the opposite point, depending on what behavior you reference. Any such dramatic oversimplifications are bound to be disputed.
mattster03
11-01-2011, 02:05 PM
Although it is not a smart way to set up a poll, if anything, this just shows once again that FFR is going down the complete wrong path pursuing the 'Jim' model as a roadster. Sure it's FFR's choice in the end what it looks like, but it's our choice in the end if we want to spend our dollars on it. Open a poll that asks if the car turning out like the 'Jim' would be a deal breaker and I bet 50-75% of seriously interested potential customers would consider this body design a no-go.
Another thing I am suprised about is that so many people are willing to drive a car that will be mistaken for a Porsche by 9/10 average onlookers.
PhyrraM
11-01-2011, 02:37 PM
It is a silly statement. You could make just the opposite point, depending on what behavior you reference. Any such dramatic oversimplifications are bound to be disputed.
That is true. It is over simplistic. But sometimes, at least for me, that can allow a person to refocus thier thoughts.
My current thoughts are that if FFR had not done any of this contest, open stuff - and had just released Jim's detailed model photos - how many folks opinions and statements would be different if not first "tainted" by the design contest?
In either case, I'm quite sure that 818 will sell well regardless of which direction it takes from here. Maybe not to all the current forum members though.
BrandonDrums
11-01-2011, 05:03 PM
Although it is not a smart way to set up a poll, if anything, this just shows once again that FFR is going down the complete wrong path pursuing the 'Jim' model as a roadster. Sure it's FFR's choice in the end what it looks like, but it's our choice in the end if we want to spend our dollars on it. Open a poll that asks if the car turning out like the 'Jim' would be a deal breaker and I bet 50-75% of seriously interested potential customers would consider this body design a no-go.
Another thing I am suprised about is that so many people are willing to drive a car that will be mistaken for a Porsche by 9/10 average onlookers.
+1 on this
Oppenheimer
11-01-2011, 05:30 PM
Knowing there are some out there that are not car people, the 818 is going to be mistaken for a P-car or F-car. I'm OK with that. Its when real car guys think maybe its the next...whatever, that is something I would prefer to avoid.
Of course, if the design is so radical (like the Olmos) that it just can't look like anything else that anyone has any context for, then yes, everyone, car guy or not, is going to wonder WTH is that? That is not reason enough for me to like a design.
Another thing I am suprised about is that so many people are willing to drive a car that will be mistaken for a Porsche by 9/10 average onlookers.
Me too. And not just average onlookers, but I can see car guys mistaking this for the next porsche. I love porsches, and I can see P-car lines all over it.
BrandonDrums
11-01-2011, 05:51 PM
"Individuals know what they want, but people (as a group) do not and never have. They tend to want what they are given."
I fully agree with David/FFR's statement, a group of individuals will not be unified enough to define a concise, clear set of wants yet an individual can. It's incredibly obvious and one could argue that the mere existence of Democracy is both a direct result of that truth and an incredible achievement of mankind because it's extremely difficult for a group of individuals to govern themselves, it's far easier to hand over the keys of governance to a single individual to act as society's proxy.
Democracy allows the public to select, not create, the most agreeable model/individual by means of popular vote yet the models/individuals themselves are created from more singular sources. We didn't all draw the cars together, individuals did on their own from their own set of clear wants and ideals, then each individual could select the design that fit their own wants the BEST and the cars that matched each individual's wants more often won.
In the case of the design competition, FFR got a set of designs that were the most pleasing to the most individuals. However, since nothing is 100% perfect, going down the path of trying to get the group to agree on every detail of a single design is futile, the individual must compromise in order to empower the group and in turn, the group must compromise to empower the individual.
An individual is required in this case to produce the Factory Five 818.
edluv1
11-01-2011, 06:08 PM
Although it is not a smart way to set up a poll, if anything, this just shows once again that FFR is going down the complete wrong path pursuing the 'Jim' model as a roadster. Sure it's FFR's choice in the end what it looks like, but it's our choice in the end if we want to spend our dollars on it. Open a poll that asks if the car turning out like the 'Jim' would be a deal breaker and I bet 50-75% of seriously interested potential customers would consider this body design a no-go.
I am not too particular about the body, I like the top three, but the Jim design is definitely a dealbreaker. By the looks of the poll, most of "the people" agree. Hopefully it it just a tool for their 3d mapping, and not a car they will actually build.
shinn497
11-01-2011, 06:48 PM
I think we can safely say that no one likes jim's design...
PhyrraM
11-01-2011, 10:26 PM
I fully agree with David/FFR's statement, .............
Let me clarify that it was not Dave or FFR that posted that. It was me - paraphrasing something MY boss said to me. I figured it had value to the situation, so I posted it.
An individual is required in this case to produce the Factory Five 818.
..........and decide the path to proceed from this point in the deisgn phase. FFR is that individual. I say (I know, futilely) it's time to step back and let them do it.
I think we can safely say that no one likes jim's design...
....after seeing the others. I know *some* of the story would be different if there wasn't anything to compare to. 95%+ of the 818's eventual buyers will have never seen Xabier's or Rodney's, etc...
....after seeing the others. I know *some* of the story would be different if there wasn't anything to compare to. 95%+ of the 818's eventual buyers will have never seen Xabier's or Rodney's, etc...
I agree on this point, however I like to make a comparison to the GTM. It's a nice looking car but not a world class design. How many more GTMs might they have sold if the design was closer to world class.
PhyrraM
11-02-2011, 01:27 AM
I agree on this point, however I like to make a comparison to the GTM. It's a nice looking car but not a world class design. How many more GTMs might they have sold if the design was closer to world class.
Yeah, the GTM does nothing for me either. When I read here that's it's got a reputation for being hard to see out of and a extremely laid back seating position - I get very scared for my idea of the "perfect" 818. And I'm not trying to relate to styling, just overall drivability/usability. But for everything, there will be some that like it. Hell, the Aztek and the Reatta sold. I love the Roadster, Type '65 and the Hot Rod, but those are admittedly different animals.
I think the styling thing has just about run it's reasonable course here. By that I mean it seems that no forward progress is being made. Just a bunch of heads bashing.....which is a perfectly fine way for some to pass the time, as long as those participating realize that's all that's going for now
The whole top/no-top and 4cyl/6cyl debates came to the same conclusions and FFR had to make decsions on thier own, input considered - of course. The 42-or-48-inch-tall/Factory-or-aftermarket-seat thing (itself a subset of styling) is headed the same way.
Really, I just want more hardware details ASAP - if only to keep us from devolving even further.....:D
Niburu
11-02-2011, 08:27 AM
Another thing I am suprised about is that so many people are willing to drive a car that will be mistaken for a Porsche by 9/10 average onlookers.
Me too. And not just average onlookers, but I can see car guys mistaking this for the next porsche. I love porsches, and I can see P-car lines all over it.
One thing I've noticed here is that a good number of regular posters (myself included) already have a Porsche and we're not looking to buy another one.
I want a Lotus Elise killer not a Porsche 918 clone.
I plan on building the most trackready street car I can devise, and if it's Jim's car that's fine by me - ain't nothin a sawzall and some fiberglass work can't fix.
I have both a 2009 911 Carrera 4S and a 2011 Cayman R and I would love to build the Vantage. I bought Porsche because I simply love them, if FFR brought out something that was similar to one that would be fantastic (although I don't see that much Porsche in the Vantage more Ferrari and American muscle car).
However, I would be equally happy with Rodneys car.
Niburu
11-02-2011, 08:48 AM
additional thought:
since Factory Five actually owns all those designs submitted to them, they could license the design(s) to a third party builder(s), thus maintaining some control over the quality and at the same time not having to absorb the cost of providing various bodies.
crackedcornish
11-02-2011, 09:43 AM
One thing I've noticed here is that a good number of regular posters (myself included) already have a Porsche and we're not looking to buy another one.
I want a Lotus Elise killer not a Porsche 918 clone.
I plan on building the most trackready street car I can devise, and if it's Jim's car that's fine by me - ain't nothin a sawzall and some fiberglass work can't fix.
You know, I'd be willing to bet a larger number of regular posters here DON'T own a Porsche than do. Besides what would be wrong will an Elise killer that just happens to have some styling ques borrowed from a 918, or a 550, or whatever curvy, sexy body people want to use as a basis for their designs
If I can get a car built for around $15,000 that could possibly be mistaken for the $845,000 918, I think I could learn to live with the disappointment :D
You say you're willing to drive a car that has s2000'ish lines, but not one that has 918 lines because you own a 911?....I don't get that reasoning.
After all, if you really don't like the vantage's lines that much... "ain't nothin a sawzall and some fiberglass work can't fix"
kach22i
11-02-2011, 10:25 AM
You know, I'd be willing to bet a larger number of regular posters here DON'T own a Porsche than do.
With so many other cars on the market, and so many sport/sporty cars they could purchase you would be right, but I don't think that is what he meant.
I think that if we had a show of hands of how many people own a Porsche or would like to in the future, verses how many people own a Subaru WRX or would like to in the future that the numbers might just be comparable.
This is a car enthusiast forum in the greater sense after all. And we like cars that go zoom.
Oppenheimer
11-02-2011, 10:32 AM
...and a large number of us that wish they owned a Porsche, but don't have the resources.
+1 to everything crackedcornish said...
Niburu
11-02-2011, 10:55 AM
You say you're willing to drive a car that has s2000'ish lines, but not one that has 918 lines because you own a 911?....I don't get that reasoning.
I'm saying I don't want the car to be mistaken for a Porsche wannabe, and the Vantage design is pretty close to being a 918 clone.
Xabier's and Rodney's designs don't look like anything else on the road these days.
Going to town on Jims front fascia and completely redoing a cars lines are on different orders of magnitude, so the Vantage body might preclude me from buying the 818.
And for the record you can readily find a good condition aircooled 911 for under $10K these days, just keep an eye on your local Craigslist.
crackedcornish
11-02-2011, 10:59 AM
With so many other cars on the market, and so many sport/sporty cars they could purchase you would be right, but I don't think that is what he meant.
I think that if we had a show of hands of how many people own a Porsche or would like to in the future, verses how many people own a Subaru WRX or would like to in the future that the numbers might just be comparable.
This is a car enthusiast forum in the greater sense after all. And we like cars that go zoom.
well I'd say here in the 818 forum the vote would probably be slightly skewed towards the Subaru
but my point is by looking at the poll results, there are way more people who don't like the more mundane "Jim" design than those who like it, and the vman design is more popular with voters, whether they already own a Porsche or not.
I mean if I have a choice of a plain looking car that goes zoom and a good looking car that goes zoom....with all else being equal, I'll take the good looking one every time...wouldn't you?
AVIONX
11-02-2011, 12:11 PM
Again. The forum has spoken!!! And its the same message, which is encouraging :) 72% say "give us a weather resistant xabier or olmos, or some third design that doesn't exist in 3d yet"
no real change from previous poll. Which is a good thing! :) General Concensus among over 100 car nuts is not an easy thing to achieve!
kach22i
11-02-2011, 12:23 PM
I'll take the good looking one every time...wouldn't you?
Of course I would.
I'm pretty sure that in the small world of automotive designers Porsche ownership is the common denominator. Not all of them own Porsche's, just many more percentage wise than in other professions. Although I assume it's rather high in other design fields such as Industrial Design and Architecture.
Of course I would.
I'm pretty sure that in the small world of automotive designers Porsche ownership is the common denominator. Not all of them own Porsche's, just many more percentage wise than in other professions. Although I assume it's rather high in other design fields such as Industrial Design and Architecture.
My day job is to take conceptual deisgn our designers have come up with and make it work. This involves taking the car from those hot wheel sketches through to production. I lead a team of 61 engineers and am one of only six Porsche owner. The most popular car with 38 owners is TVR.
Vman7
11-02-2011, 01:06 PM
TVR is a very cool car! I love the GT race version.
Just so people know, and I am not trying to influence the poll here. The Vantage side view is a Targa/Coupe, just look for the seams.
Oppenheimer
11-02-2011, 02:10 PM
And for the record you can readily find a good condition aircooled 911 for under $10K these days, just keep an eye on your local Craigslist.
yeah, that is why I was careful to say 'resources' to own a P-car, not just $ to buy one. As I'm sure you'll atest, there is a more involved to 'own' one of those cars than just the $ to buy it.
Really, I just want more hardware details ASAP - if only to keep us from devolving even further.....:D
I am surprised that a company that is really good at chassis and suspension hasn't already finished that part of the project. I would have finished, and already be testing that part. Performance numbers and go-cart video would keep a lot of people interested while you proceed on the body design.
And for what its worth, the vantage design is not my favorite and I think looks like a porsche, but I would much rather have that then Jim's design.
I don't have a porsche now, but I would definately have one again. A 911 is one of the purest drivers car available.
bromikl
11-02-2011, 03:47 PM
Again. The forum has spoken!!! And its the same message, which is encouraging :) 72% say "give us a weather resistant xabier or olmos, or some third design that doesn't exist in 3d yet, just not Jims"
no real change from previous poll. Which is a good thing! :) General Concensus among over 100 car nuts is not an easy thing to achieve!
Thanks, AVIONX; but that's not really helpful. I made the new poll not because it's a different way of looking at the data. The previous poll determined everyone's No.1 choice. And that's it.
This way, liking one doesn't mean you can't also like the others. In this one you can get a better idea of the total love for each model. I wouldn't have made the poll if I thought FFR couldn't or wouldn't find the information useful.
And it really is time to stop deriding Jim's design. Maybe you could do better? And for those of you who can you know how much effort has gone into #4. Constructive criticism is one thing, but this isn't that. It's beyond rude at this point to continue flogging Jim and FFR for putting it out there. It really isn't a bad design. I'd rather drive Jim's car than 90% of the cars on the road. The only reason for dissing it at all is because we have seen others we prefer more, and we're afraid*our* favorite model won't get chosen.
So it's time (for some of you) to put on your big boy undies and quit throwing a tantrum if you don't get your way. When you own the company that designs and sell the world's best kit cars, you can build the car you want. Until then, how 'bout piping down?
kach22i
11-02-2011, 04:34 PM
The most popular car with 38 owners is TVR.
You must live in the UK.
Still, that result is the last thing I expected.
Are there more Audi's than Jag's?
Ok, I need to change my vote after seeing Olmos' redesigned front end. AMAZING!
AVIONX
11-02-2011, 05:25 PM
Thanks, AVIONX; but that's not really helpful. I made the new poll not because it's a different way of looking at the data. The previous poll determined everyone's No.1 choice. And that's it.
This way, liking one doesn't mean you can't also like the others. In this one you can get a better idea of the total love for each model. I wouldn't have made the poll if I thought FFR couldn't or wouldn't find the information useful.
And it really is time to stop deriding Jim's design. Maybe you could do better? And for those of you who can you know how much effort has gone into #4. Constructive criticism is one thing, but this isn't that. It's beyond rude at this point to continue flogging Jim and FFR for putting it out there. It really isn't a bad design. I'd rather drive Jim's car than 90% of the cars on the road. The only reason for dissing it at all is because we have seen others we prefer more, and we're afraid*our* favorite model won't get chosen.
So it's time (for some of you) to put on your big boy undies and quit throwing a tantrum if you don't get your way. When you own the company that designs and sell the world's best kit cars, you can build the car you want. Until then, how 'bout piping down?
Bromild,
Sorry you did not find my summary useful. I am an engineer. I honestly appreciated you creating this poll. I was the first to suggest the idea on this forum. As an engineer I simply felt this poll, the 4th of it's kind , had reached the point where the trends and data had matured, so I took it upon myself to summarize the results for my fellow forum readers. I know you agree with my summary 100%, so I am surprised you are attempting to accuse me of attacking Jim. I love Jim, and all the work he has done for FFR. I have purchased, built and driven his handiwork and it is awesome.
Do you realize you are attacking me personally and telling me to "pipe down" "quit my tantrum" and "put on my big boy undies" as a way of trying stop me from attacking someone personally?
I'm going to just go ahead and leave this here:
http://www.unoverse.com/factoryfive/VenomFront2b.jpg
Nice work Rodney!
I'm going to just go ahead and leave this here:
http://www.unoverse.com/factoryfive/VenomFront2b.jpg
BrandonDrums
11-02-2011, 09:24 PM
I'm going to just go ahead and leave this here:
http://www.unoverse.com/factoryfive/VenomFront2b.jpg
Duude, I need to change my vote as well. This design trumps ALLL
Best of the best
11-02-2011, 09:30 PM
You guys are so easily entertained...
bromikl
11-03-2011, 08:09 AM
AVIONX,
I was not addressing you personally; I was addressing all the people who are being downright rude in the way they are demanding Dave and FFR abandon Jim's design and support the ones you (collectively) want. I singled you (AVIONX) out because this is the second or third time you shouted almost exactly that.
It's Dave's company. He will make the right decisions; and he doesn't need your help.
AVIONX,
I was not addressing you personally; I was addressing all the people who are being downright rude in the way they are demanding Dave and FFR abandon Jim's design and support the ones you (collectively) want. I singled you (AVIONX) out because this is the second or third time you shouted almost exactly that.
It's Dave's company. He will make the right decisions; and he doesn't need your help.
If he doesn't want our help why did he open it to all and ask for our comments/feedback? This is all about opinion and it differs betwen us which is great as the World would be a dull place if we all agreed.
mattster03
11-03-2011, 09:21 AM
It's Dave's company. He will make the right decisions; and he doesn't need your help.
No. But he is asking for it; that's the reason he set up this community.
Oppenheimer
11-03-2011, 09:21 AM
Dave wants useful feedback. He now knows most of us don't like Jim's current design. It now serves no purpose to continue to just say you don't like it. If on the other hand you have ideas of how to improve it, I think those would be welcomed.
David Hodgkins
11-03-2011, 09:27 AM
Bromikl does have a point in that there is, at best, a lack of tact with some people's posting. One person in particular who recently joined has not contributed anything more than negativity. Honest feedback is welcome. A complete lack of tact, aka trolling, can't be tolerated because it degrades the entire discussion.
:)
crackedcornish
11-03-2011, 09:46 AM
I know I don't mean to be disrespectful towards Jim. I just hope ego's won't get in the way of us getting the best looking car possible...and if Jim can revamp his design to better those submitted by Rodney, Vman, or Xabier more power to him!
But, unfortunately for Jim, I must say that each revision of the design submitted by Rodney just keeps setting the bar higher and higher. Rodney's original design wasn't even in my top 5 picks. But he has picked it up considerably with just a few tweaks, and now it may even top Xabier's as my first choice of the cars being considered by FFR. So maybe all is not totally lost in Jim's design...we'll just have to wait and see
RodneyO
11-03-2011, 10:24 AM
Nice work Rodney!
Thanks Shawn, did you notice I used your F5 style logo on the front, I hope that was ok with you, I hope FF uses it, you did brilliant with it. Btw you do very inspiring work and was a bit surprised that your design did not win 1st place during the contest, Jmho.
Cheers
AVIONX
11-03-2011, 02:45 PM
AVIONX,
I was not addressing you personally; I was addressing all the people who are being downright rude in the way they are demanding Dave and FFR abandon Jim's design and support the ones you (collectively) want. I singled you (AVIONX) out because this is the second or third time you shouted almost exactly that.
It's Dave's company. He will make the right decisions; and he doesn't need your help.
Bromild,
I said "The Forum has spoken" Which is fact. I did not, as you accuse, said Dave has to listen to what we said :) I also beat you to the fact of restating the obvious. FFR is Dave's company, and he rocks!!!
I know I don't mean to be disrespectful towards Jim. I just hope ego's won't get in the way of us getting the best looking car possible...and if Jim can revamp his design to better those submitted by Rodney, Vman, or Xabier more power to him!
But, unfortunately for Jim, I must say that each revision of the design submitted by Rodney just keeps setting the bar higher and higher. Rodney's original design wasn't even in my top 5 picks. But he has picked it up considerably with just a few tweaks, and now it may even top Xabier's as my first choice of the cars being considered by FFR. So maybe all is not totally lost in Jim's design...we'll just have to wait and see
What he said. I also don't want to be mean or disrespectful but I also need to call it like I see it. What I continue to see is a push for Jim's design that I feel no matter how much they improve it will still not be as good as the others. And what worries me is that we end up with a design that no matter how good is not what I wanted. I know, I don't have to buy it but I really want too:)
bbjones121
11-06-2011, 01:42 PM
lets get some more action on this.
crackedcornish
11-06-2011, 02:08 PM
well, Rodney has done some stunning revisions to his design since this was started, so it makes this poll kinda' worthless now.
I voted early in the thread for Vmans car...but now I don't know if I would vote the same way or not. Need to see some fine tuning done by the other players here on their designs, or Rodney's going to end up stealing the show!
wrxtacy2003
11-07-2011, 09:00 PM
I agree with ^^^^ I love VMAN'S car, but then I saw rodneys...that car is a game changer for me. I am drooling over that sexy beast.
DK
Thanks Shawn, did you notice I used your F5 style logo on the front, I hope that was ok with you, I hope FF uses it, you did brilliant with it. Btw you do very inspiring work and was a bit surprised that your design did not win 1st place during the contest, Jmho.
Cheers
I have to admit, when you uploaded your design to the forum a few days before the entries were due I remember thinking the competition just got a LOT tougher!
I did notice the logo, I think the simplified logo makes a lot of sense. Generally as companies become bigger and more successful they simplify their name and their logo. I think F5 comes off the tongue much easier, and in conversation whenever some refers to Factory Five Racing they usually just say “Factory Five”.