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JENNY5309
02-06-2021, 04:27 AM
Hello.
I need to find where to find the regulations for emission requirements, if any for my state.
I am in MA.
How and where would I find this information. I am hoping because the Company is in this state, they know where to look, and/or what the rules are on this.
Thanks
https://www.semasan.com/resources/everything-you-need-register-and-title-your-hobby-car-all-50-states
michael everson
02-06-2021, 08:09 AM
a can get a little tricky but there are lots of these kits registered here. It can be done. If you go the donor route, you need all the emmisions intact for that year donor. If you go with a crate engine, you will need to go the crusher route. Where in Ma are you? I am in Norton and can walk you through the whole process.
mike
cnutting
02-06-2021, 08:26 AM
Also in MA. As Mike said, there are a lot of steps, but if you are organized it's not that bad. Mike has done this many times and is a great resource.
JENNY5309
02-06-2021, 09:37 AM
Most likely no donor car. The engine isn't a crate engine. And well um, not a ford.
Does The state of MA. See it as needing to pass the the regulations of the year you finish the kit?
I really like to find a wrecked 2.3 turbo mustang with manual to use, but that is unlikely, And a headache to get to work with just the engine And none of the other items the new cars ecu controls, connects too.
michael everson
02-06-2021, 01:45 PM
Are you talking about building a cobra? Give me a call anytime to discuss.
508-577-2200
Mike
JENNY5309
02-06-2021, 02:32 PM
No, a Daytona coupe.
Every state has its own process, and the best place to start is with your state's government offices (DMV, registration office, police, etc.)
For Colorado, to pass the Colorado State Patrol VIN inspection, you would need to have all applicable equipment that could result in a ticket based on the following Colorado Revised Statutes:
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=142126&d=1612642108
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=142128&d=1612642724
And a couple more ... Obviously not all are applicable.
I'm sure other states have similar "equipment" requirements that you can get.
There are also several references and check lists available through the vehicle registration office that were helpful. Finally, the local Cobra club had a lot of information posted on its website that was very helpful.
JENNY5309
02-06-2021, 10:36 PM
I asked here because , Anyone that has tried to get information, From the State of MA. RMV is like pulling teeth.
The State site is well , interesting, I will leave it at that. Confusing and double speak .
I asked here because , Anyone that has tried to get information, From the State of MA. RMV is like pulling teeth.
The State site is well , interesting, I will leave it at that. Confusing and double speak .
Sorry, I wasn't trying to prevent help from those that are familiar with MA rules. Every state is "unique", but maybe this will be a bit more help specific to MA:
http://www.clubcobra.com/forums/registration-forum/116291-massachusetts-registration-inspection.html
https://www.semasan.com/semaga/TagTitleToolbox_MA.pdf
http://dev.semasan.com/semaga/TagTitleToolbox_MA.pdf
michael everson
02-07-2021, 05:52 AM
I have 3 Daytonas at my home shop right now. One is staying in MA. It can be done
Mike
JENNY5309
02-07-2021, 06:49 AM
Sorry, I wasn't trying to prevent help from those that are familiar with MA rules. Every state is "unique", but maybe this will be a bit more help specific to MA:
No worries. I know you didn't mean anything by your post.
I just figured I would pick the brains of people that have already found out what hoops they had to jump through.
It is all good.
JENNY5309
02-07-2021, 07:05 AM
I have 3 Daytonas at my home shop right now. One is staying in MA. It can be done
Mike
I am sure It can be. But I am doing the homework before I get to the point of buying and building. So I know what I am in for and what can be done, and what can not.
I would say, over a decade ago( It was before Ma. stopped testing pre OBII vehicles for emissions ) I went to the FFR open house and talked to a few of the people working there, It might have been Mr. Smith but not 100% sure on that, as at the time I did not know who he was.
But it was said that many put R.I. tags on them in MA . Because of the rules in the state on kit type vehicles.
Things might have changed since then. IIRC at the time . The state of Ma. went by the numbers on the engine block. If the unit was a 1988 302. you had to pass the test for a 1988. The state has long dropped testing for emissions on all pre-OBII vehicles.
It be nice if they looked at them as the year the vehicle is copied after. So. a 1967 Cobra (can you call them that now, or is the risk of getting a letter from Shelby {the company} to stop).
Where the newest gen Daytona is a new design, so do they look at it as a 2018 (example), Or the year you apply for a title for it, or as a 196? model year.
I much rather find this information out before hand, as it can make or break a build and the cost.
cnutting
02-07-2021, 07:58 AM
The car is registered as the year of completion. Emissions is the year of the engine block, in my case 1965. Crate engines require a crusher, which adds cost/complexity to the process. Inspection requirements are simple; lights, horn, the basics. No backup lights, no wipers for roadsters.
At first the info is confusing, but the more you read it, it makes sense (as much as gummint-speak makes sense).
The new Daytona is still a replica, so it would be titled as someting like a Year:202X Model: 1965 FFR Coupe Replica. Not sure of the exact wording for coupes...
Cost is negligable. Typical registration fees, plus your time, plus renting a trailer for MSP Salvage inspection. As I mentioned, crusher route will add some cost, but I am not familiar with that.
JENNY5309
02-07-2021, 08:38 AM
The car is registered as the year of completion. Emissions is the year of the engine block, in my case 1965. Crate engines require a crusher, which adds cost/complexity to the process. Inspection requirements are simple; lights, horn, the basics. No backup lights, no wipers for roadsters.
At first the info is confusing, but the more you read it, it makes sense (as much as gummint-speak makes sense).
The new Daytona is still a replica, so it would be titled as someting like a Year:202X Model: 1965 FFR Coupe Replica. Not sure of the exact wording for coupes...
Cost is negligable. Typical registration fees, plus your time, plus renting a trailer for MSP Salvage inspection. As I mentioned, crusher route will add some cost, but I am not familiar with that.
So if I am reading this correctly, a 1973 block. goes by the rules of a 1973 vehicle? emission wise.
cnutting
02-07-2021, 08:40 AM
That is correct.