View Full Version : Engine ground Location - now oil temp location
capt1black
10-16-2020, 07:17 PM
Hello again.
Its my day for stupid questions. The manual has 1 line for engine ground and a picture that does not make sense to me. I get where the wire goes on the frame mount but where does it connect on the engine? It looks like it is on the engine mount bolt but bolt wont even fit in hole. Is there a bolt that came with it, don't see one in bag with ground, or do I have to get one? Feeling really stupid with this. Any help is appreciated. Engine is BBE 347.
Ian G
10-16-2020, 07:23 PM
You can use one of the starter mounting bolts. Make sure to use a good heavy cable.
GoDadGo
10-16-2020, 07:27 PM
It's not a stupid question.
Captain,
You just need to mount a good heavy ground from the frame to your engine block.
I've got two because having an extra ground just gives me a little extra piece of mind.
https://youtu.be/_wnHDNgnNqs
My grounds are on the drivers side engine mount and go directly to the block.
Hope this helps & wrench on Captain Black, wrench on!
Steve
Irrespective of engine, this is a no-brainer. I can say this, because in one of my no-brain moments, I didn't bother to install said ground. Not a big mistake, but a mistake non-the-less. When I had problems with my initial start the peanut gallery (3 other FFR owners) minced no words on my omission. Mine is a strap - the one that comes in the kit specifically for the battery ground - and it runs from the bellhousing to the frame. I sanded off the powder coating on the diagonal bar directly behind and to the left of the bellhousing and mounted it there. I'm sure I used a bolt that was left over from something else. 5/16 or 3/8 bolt will work just fine.
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=101254&d=1548431744
I used the hole on the passenger motor mount perch and then up to one of the motor mount bolts on the block.
capt1black
10-17-2020, 07:32 AM
Another Question for those with a BBE 347. Where did you put the oil temp sensor?
OSU Cowboy
10-17-2020, 07:52 AM
I have a 347 as well. My oil temp sender is installed into a threaded bung that is welded in the oil pan, location is at the rear of the pan on the sidewall near the base.
capt1black
10-17-2020, 07:56 AM
I have a 347 as well. My oil temp sender is installed into a threaded bung that is welded in the oil pan, location is at the rear of the pan on the sidewall near the base.
Thanks, that was what i was thinking.
Caddy Dad
10-17-2020, 07:58 AM
Another Question for those with a BBE 347. Where did you put the oil temp sensor?
I too have the BPE 347. I forgot to call out that I needed a bung hole in the oil pan when I placed my order so I bought an adapter (from Forte or Everson can't remember now) that goes between the oil filter and engine block. It has a hole where the temperature sensor threads into.
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=126140&d=1586622720
GoDadGo
10-17-2020, 08:09 AM
I modified an Oil Cooler Sandwich Adapter so I can pick up the pressure and temperature in one place.
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/cvs-ocs64
I drilled the unit to allow the oil to flow through it so it no longer can be used for its original intention.
capt1black
10-17-2020, 08:27 AM
I too have the BPE 347. I forgot to call out that I needed a bung hole in the oil pan when I placed my order so I bought an adapter (from Forte or Everson can't remember now) that goes between the oil filter and engine block. It has a hole where the temperature sensor threads into.
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=126140&d=1586622720
Apparently i did not ask for one either since the only one i have is the drain plug. Crap, i thought the package came as drop in. Sometimes it’s 2 steps forward then 3 steps back.
An oil temp gauge wasn't part of the FFR vintage gauges, only an oil pressure gauge. Are the kits now coming with both?
capt1black
10-17-2020, 08:35 AM
An oil temp gauge wasn't part of the FFR vintage gauges, only an oil pressure gauge. Are the kits now coming with both?
I just got the ones that came with the complete kit, did not upgrade and it came with both.
capt1black
10-17-2020, 08:42 AM
I modified an Oil Cooler Sandwich Adapter so I can pick up the pressure and temperature in one place.
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/cvs-ocs64
I drilled the unit to allow the oil to flow through it so it no longer can be used for its original intention.
Drilling it out may be beyond my ability and tool set.
capt1black
10-17-2020, 08:49 AM
So if they did not come with a temp gauge how important is having one? Oil pressure is obviously needed.
I would much rather have an oil temp gauge over the clock my gauges came with.
RBachman
10-17-2020, 09:09 AM
Here's what I'm using on a 347. Pressure and temp at one spot.
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/sdk-c2oz9b339dp
Here's what I'm using on a 347. Pressure and temp at one spot.
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/sdk-c2oz9b339dp
Best place is in the oil pan as that is where the hottest temperature that is measurable will be found.
Those places, that several of you have, at the threaded part next to the oil filter of the block is for oil pressure. Measuring stagnant oil, at the end of that extension, will not be a reliable measure of oil temperature. Even trying to measure it with a sensor screwed directly into the block will be measuring stagnate oil.
I used a similar extension, at that location, with two ports but used them for the oil pressure gauge and a low oil pressure sensor for a light on the dash above the steering wheel. Again, they are not meant for oil temperature.
George
capt1black
10-17-2020, 10:39 AM
First for those future 302 block builders, I also emailed Johnny for suggestions and he confirmed that the only acceptable oil port in the Ford block is the one by the oil filter, so you would have to use a T or oil filter bracket as suggested above. I would need an extension for the pressure sensor anyway so the part suggested above by RBachman seems to be the best and easiest choice for me. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/sdk-c2oz9b339dp
Secondly, I have to say this is an amazing group, particularly for an ignorant (not knowledgeable or experienced) beginner like me. Every question is answered kindly and supportively with several options depending on cost and ability. The occasional ribbing is fun also to keep things light. Thank you all, I would not be able to accomplish this without this group.
AC Bill
10-17-2020, 01:13 PM
So if they did not come with a temp gauge how important is having one? Oil pressure is obviously needed.
If your not racing the car, it's not really needed. Coolant temps will be a good indication of what's going on with the engine. Oil temp gauge's were always optional, it looked cool on the dash, but was not a requirement. I added one, but after years of driving, it is not often I even look at that gauge. Even with spirited driving, the needle barely moved upward.
nucjd19
10-17-2020, 09:33 PM
Captain. I am just going to follow all of your threads cause you are catching all of the " gotcha" moments I am going to run into. Thank you for asking really good questions.
ggunter
10-19-2020, 09:53 AM
Like GWL said the best place for oil temp is in the pan. That is going to be the hottest oil. Once you start tapping in at the block and other areas above the pan you are utilizing block cooling affected by the coolant. When I used to race boats oil temp was critical because your running wide open for five miles but on a car that loafs along for most of its life, oil temp gauge is only there to make your dash look good. If something is going on to raise your oil temp your coolant temp is going to pick it up as well, since coolant provides half of what cools the oil. Same goes for oil coolers, unless your running a demanding load on the engine an oil cooler can cool the oil too much which is almost as bad as being too hot. Oil is designed to run in the 210-235 degree range. Spikes can go higher to the 250-275 range with no ill effects. One of the blown boats I used to race would be kissing 300 by the end of the race but with synthetic oil it never showed any ill effects on any engine. But if you like an oil temp gauge go for it.
nuhale
10-19-2020, 10:02 AM
I bought the oil temp gauge separate from speed hut as I wanted this over the clock. My only four letter word on this came when I realized that my water temp is in C and oil temp in F... Mounted sensor in the oil morosso oil pan. Never really look at it or care. Just for aesthetics.
I bought the oil temp gauge separate from speed hut as I wanted this over the clock. My only four letter word on this came when I realized that my water temp is in C and oil temp in F... Mounted sensor in the oil morosso oil pan. Never really look at it or care. Just for aesthetics.
Ha! Another one of those "what the ..." moments for me as well when I realized the water temp was in Celsius. I'm told that Speedhut will convert it to Fahrenheit for you for a fee. I just kept mine and know that I want my water temp to nominally be between 80-90 on the gauge.