Type 65 questions

[Performance nut]

Hey all. I had some specific questions about the Type 65 that I hope some folks could help answer.

I'm looking to purchase one of these (https://performanceparts.ford.com/part/M-9000-PMCM3) so that it really simplifies the build. Though I'm unsure if the Tremec six speed will fit in the Type 65 Coupe.
What is the aerodynamic top speed the Type 65 can safely go?
Factory 5 lists the Type 65 Coupe top speed over 150 mph. I plan on using this car for HPDE occasionally and there is a really fast track near by (can get to 150mph in my Mustang).

Since I'll literally have an almost identical driveline but with almost 1000 lbs less weight, I would expect that top speed would not be limited by power or weight.

Gearing has more than enough to get to 200mph.
I read some early posts that folks have run dry sumps but never saw the actual results. Has anyone successfully created a Coyote dry sump setup with the Type 65? Manufacturer I'm not concerned about, it is the space and size of components.
Is it possible to install and remove the Coupe-R aero for track days?

After looking at pictures, it seems the Coupe and Coupe-R are not easily interchangeable.

It looks like the Coupe-R aero bumper is permanently connected to the Coupe front body piece meaning you would need to have two front body sections (no idea where and how the actual front splitter connects to the front end).

The rear looks doable if you leave the lower bracket that connects to the frame installed and just remove the gooseneck and wing. I don't mind the fender openings in the front and the rear for the Coupe-R and would run that all the time.

[edwardb]

Can weigh in on a couple of your questions. The Tremec T-56 in your link easily fits in the Gen 3 Coupe. Installed one in mine and fits perfectly. Build thread link in my sig line if you're interested. John George sold his Gen 3 Coupe Coyote powered race car (moved out of the country for a job as I understand) but his website is still up where he describes the car in detail including parts used. Including a dry sump setup. Maybe that answers that question. http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/wordpress/ffr48-car-setup/part-numbers/.

[Performance nut]

Can weigh in on a couple of your questions. The Tremec T-56 in your link easily fits in the Gen 3 Coupe. Installed one in mine and fits perfectly. Build thread link in my sig line if you're interested. John George sold his Gen 3 Coupe Coyote powered race car (moved out of the country for a job as I understand) but his website is still up where he describes the car in detail including parts used. Including a dry sump setup. Maybe that answers that question. http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/wordpress/ffr48-car-setup/part-numbers/.

Both excellent links, thank you very much! Your build looks to be right there with what I would like to do. Look forward to reading moe about your build and seeing your impression of the build.

BTW, Lund tuned my Gen3 though it sits in a 2018 Mustang GT. Nothing but good things from the tune... especially on E85. Whole new beast.

[jkrueger]

I have had my Gen II coupe to 150MPH at Daytona. I could have gone faster if I had a different 5th gear ratio at the time.

I have the R air dam and splitter on my car as well. I made it removable by attaching it with Duz fasteners. Takes less than 10 minutes to remove. You can't open the hood with it on.

JC

[Performance nut]

I have had my Gen II coupe to 150MPH at Daytona. I could have gone faster if I had a different 5th gear ratio at the time.

I have the R air dam and splitter on my car as well. I made it removable by attaching it with Duz fasteners. Takes less than 10 minutes to remove. You can't open the hood with it on.

JC

Would you happen to have a close up of the R air dam and a pic without it? Sounds like exactly what I want! Did you use the air dam at Daytona?

[Jim1855]

I think if you search for John George's Gen 3 Coupe or the Snap-On Coupe there will be photos of the air dams. I don't think that the Gen 2 and Gen 3 pieces are the same.

https://www.factoryfive.com/type-65-coupe-r/ Many photos here.

About 150mph. My Challenge Car isn't anywhere near finished but will be running the same motor as I had in my two Superformance roadsters. 140 was easy at Grattan or VIR South Track, stable, tracked well but starting to get light. First car saw 150-157 multiple times. 140 isn't really an issue, fast but it just happens. 150+ is a different story, it's only 10mph but it's an exponential change.

If a Roadster can go 150 a Coupe is a shoe-in. The Coupe has all of the aerodynamics that the Roadster doesn't.

Jim

[Performance nut]

I think if you search for John George's Gen 3 Coupe or the Snap-On Coupe there will be photos of the air dams. I don't think that the Gen 2 and Gen 3 pieces are the same.

https://www.factoryfive.com/type-65-coupe-r/ Many photos here.

About 150mph. My Challenge Car isn't anywhere near finished but will be running the same motor as I had in my two Superformance roadsters. 140 was easy at Grattan or VIR South Track, stable, tracked well but starting to get light. First car saw 150-157 multiple times. 140 isn't really an issue, fast but it just happens. 150+ is a different story, it's only 10mph but it's an exponential change.

If a Roadster can go 150 a Coupe is a shoe-in. The Coupe has all of the aerodynamics that the Roadster doesn't.

Jim

I was interested in how it looks with the removable feature on it.

As for 150mph, I have read some articles that indicate some FFR cars don't like certain speeds. I would believe that the Coupe-R would handle it, not sure about the normal coupe.

[Briansshop]

From the F5R Catalog:

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Crazy,if true!

[jkrueger]

Would you happen to have a close up of the R air dam and a pic without it? Sounds like exactly what I want! Did you use the air dam at Daytona?

We had a different air dam when we were at Daytona. I modified a C4 corvette air dam to fit on the bottom of the hood. Basically where the fiberglass ends. The Gen III air dam, which does fit on my Gen II coupe with no mods, will work a lot better since it works with the splitter to produce some downforce.

Before we went to Daytona we had heard that the stock coupe's front end would get light at high speed. With our original air dam, which just blocked air from going under the car, the car felt very stable at 150mph.

I have the new air dam and a wing on the car now and have been up to 130mph with that set up and the car is very planted.


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[Performance nut]

We had a different air dam when we were at Daytona. I modified a C4 corvette air dam to fit on the bottom of the hood. Basically where the fiberglass ends. The Gen III air dam, which does fit on my Gen II coupe with no mods, will work a lot better since it works with the splitter to produce some downforce.

Before we went to Daytona we had heard that the stock coupe's front end would get light at high speed. With our original air dam, which just blocked air from going under the car, the car felt very stable at 150mph.

I have the new air dam and a wing on the car now and have been up to 130mph with that set up and the car is very planted.


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I can't even begin to express how much I love the transition ability of your car. Excellent work.

If I may ask a couple of questions. Where does the front splitter attach? I am assuming it attaches to the frame but I could not see where. As for the wing, do you remove it for street duty or leave it on?

[jkrueger]

I can't even begin to express how much I love the transition ability of your car. Excellent work.

If I may ask a couple of questions. Where does the front splitter attach? I am assuming it attaches to the frame but I could not see where. As for the wing, do you remove it for street duty or leave it on?

The air dam/splitter connect to the body with the Duz fasteners and a mount on the back of the splitter to bottom of the hood. Pretty solid for the air loads it will get. I leave the wing on for the little bit I drive it on the street. It is mostly a track car now.

In the first picture you can see the Duz fasteners and the two bolts inside the radiator opening that mount to the back of the splitter.

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