SBF Oil Pan

[TxMike64]

I'm working on my engine and transmission combo before ordering my kit. I have a 5.0 and an AOD (I have a Teksid DOHC 4.6 and 4R70W but decided to go with a simpler and smaller package).

I'm looking for an oil pan and have no idea what to use: front or rear sump, low profile, kick-out.... And what application: Fox Body, SN-95, truck, early car...
T looks like most "generic" pans are front sump, but given that there are no cross-members on the HR Chassis I would think a rear sump would be a better option.

Help? Thoughts?

[EZ$]

Mike,
Just as a note. My engine came with a stock pan for a 302, front sump. Main problem was that it hung down below the frame rails. Better to go with a pan from Champ Pans, or Kevko, if that will be a problem. All the lower profile pans that I found were rear sump, but that is a good thing on acceleration, and by going with one of these pans you can be sure that they'll be above the frame rails. Don't know if the Hot Rod is the same situation as the roadster regarding where the engine sits, or whether it sits higher than the roadster, (I don't think it does). If it turns out that a stock front sump pan will work, let me know. I have a brand new stock pan, with a baffle, that was only on the engine for first start, and then I had to swap it out. I'll give you a great deal. I also have the oil pickup that goes with the pan.

[GoDadGo]

Mike,

One of things we all tend to overlook is the oil pan and the abilities of these cars.
Consider getting a low profile pan that has a rear sump with baffling like the one shown below:

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mil-31601/make/ford

Under acceleration and braking, oil control is king because these cars accelerate faster and stop quicker than 99% of the production vehicles on the road.
To keep the sump covered is why I am running a double baffled circle track "Cheater Pan" with a center sump pick up which appears to be stock but it isn't.

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mil-31502/make/chevrolet

Good Luck From The Dark Dart Chevy Side!

Steve

[FF33rod]

Happy with the fit of this Canton pan on my 347 in the hot rod. Has baffles, etc as it's a road race pan....

https://www.cantonracingproducts.com/products/15-644s-for-ford-289-302-rear-t-sump-road-race-pan-without-scraper.html

Steve

[TxMike64]

Thanks for the feedback! I would like to find a dedicated rear sump pan, but I'm not interested in spending $300-plus to get one. I think I'll use a fox-body pan as they're dirt cheap, fairly low profile, and could be considered rear sump. They're not the best looking, but not terrible either. As for the performance capabilities, I'll be building a cruiser fun car thatll probably never see the strip or roadcourse.

[narly1]

I'm no expert here maybe some others can comment on how your pan choices are affected if you choose to run the electric power steering option...

[TxMike64]

I'm no expert here maybe some others can comment on how your pan choices are affected if you choose to run the electric power steering option...

I think the interference is only on 351s.

[Bob Cowan]

If by "dedicated rear sump" you mean there is only one sump, and it's in the rear - like a stock pan turned around - you won't find one. There will always be a bit of a sump in the front, because that's where the oil pump lives. The only way to get rid of the front sump is to use an external pump.

As long as the pan is well baffled, it won't matter where the sump is. That's the purpose of the gates and baffles. There might be a slight advantage to a front sump because the pick up tube is significantly shorter. Maybe.

[TxMike64]

Thanks Bob!

Sometimes it's the obvious things we don't think of! [pump clearance]

The other thing is I have a later model 5.0 with the dipstick in the drivers rear of the block. Fox type pan it is!

[fostia]

Thanks Bob!

Sometimes it's the obvious things we don't think of! [pump clearance]

The other thing is I have a later model 5.0 with the dipstick in the drivers rear of the block. Fox type pan it is!

Just as a fyi, I bought the stockish summit foxbody oil pan. I had a hell of a time getting the electric power steering clocked to both clear the pan and not hang low. The holes factory five drilled didnt work for me. The steering unit always became the lowest part of car and I didn't like that at all. I raised my engine a bit with engine mount spacers and then drilled new clocking holes. New clocking holes were very difficult to do as they overlapped existing holes. I had to weld on a bushing as a drill guide so I could drill an overlapping hole, then grind off the bushing. You may not run into the trials and tribulations that I did but that was definitely one of my memorable challenges. The power steering is still is a bit low but not nearly as bad as before and is livable.

[Brave Salmon]

I have the 302/aod combo. Got the Ford racing rear sump and it fits great. SUMMIT. My motor also has the driver side rear dips tick in the block.

[FF33rod]

For anyone reading this thread now or in the future - the depth of the sump is important. You don't want to go more than 7.5" or you will be significantly below the frame...
Here's what 7.5" looks like - car is on jack stands, photo taken from drivers side just under the chassis. Black canister type object is power steering motor. If I remember correctly, the pan is about 1/2 below the frame....

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Steve

[Mach1martysr]

Will a stock Ford 302 front sump pan clear my 33 hot rod chassis ok or do I need something different? Also will it hang to low ?
Thanks,
Marty

[Kawdennis]

Will a stock Ford 302 front sump pan clear my 33 hot rod chassis ok or do I need something different? Also will it hang to low ?
Thanks,
Marty I just did my 2nd oil change on my Mark 4. My engine is a M 6007 X302B crate engine on my first change I used a 15mm wrench on the oil drain plugs (theirs 2 plugs) on my last oil change the 15mm wrench wouldn’t fit, I looked at it very close and I scraped it, I used vise grips to remove it, anyway the drain plug is the only thing below the frame, I guess Iam going to get a new pan. Dennis

[TxMike64]

Will a stock Ford 302 front sump pan clear my 33 hot rod chassis ok or do I need something different? Also will it hang to low ?
Thanks,
Marty

It will clear the chassis just fine, but there will be clearance issues if you are using the electric power steering. Also, I'm not sure how much lower the front sump pans are than the rear sump Foxbody pans. The oil pan is possibly the lowest thing on the car!

[Guardm16]

FYI, even a rear sump pan has a front bubble, this is where the oil pump is located. The issue I ran into with my 35 Truck (same front as the 33 Hot Rod) is the X brace at the front of the engine bay. My rear sump pan would touch the x brace on the driver's side before the engine was down on the mounts. I fabricated a 90 degree step in the X brace to clear the front bump in the oil pan. I will try to get some pics of it tonight.
Click image for larger version.
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I used 1 inch Chrome Molly tubing and braced it to the side rail see the yellow lines on the chassis pic.

After talking to Tech support they said if you feel comfortable making the mod, go for it.

[FF33rod]

Canton 15-644S (road race pan) fits the hot rod fine (for a 302 block). Is no lower than a stock pan and has an 7 qt capacity...

Steve