Transfer of COO in Missouri

[Peeker]

Has anyone bought a partial complete roller and after build tried to register in Missouri? DMV says I need to get a lawyer to file a Declamatory Judgement. Thanks in advance.

[Purple Venom]

Yes, one of our club members recently bought one that way. I'll send him a link to this thread for response. You could jump on our forum page as well at GatewayCobraClub.com

Tim

[edwardb]

There was another thread on this topic a little while ago. Apparently Factory Five will issue a new COO to the new owner if they're able to contact the original owner (the name on the existing COO) and verify the sale. This was based upon a response from one of the guys at Factory Five, and a departure from past practice. So this is another approach to consider.

[rich grsc]

There was another thread on this topic a little while ago. Apparently Factory Five will issue a new COO to the new owner if they're able to contact the original owner (the name on the existing COO) and verify the sale. This was based upon a response from one of the guys at Factory Five, and a departure from past practice. So this is another approach to consider.

Not exactly, unless things have recently changed. I was the person who had COO issues. I bought an unfinished kit, but because I already had a car finished and driving, the build took a long time. It was when I took it in for the state (MO) to doing its thing we discovered two problems. 1) The seller had not signed and notarized the COO, not his fault, as we where told at the time, by the local DMV it wasn't necessary. That was not the case, get it signed and notarized! 2), FFR mistakenly sent the wrong COO to the original buyer, the numbers on the COO didn't match the frame numbers.
I got really luck, as they were able to actually find the correct COO in their files. If they had not found the correct unissued COO it would have been bad. I was told they could not make and issue a new COO, also the correct one had to be issued to the original purchaser, not to me. Thankfully the original owner was very helpful and understanding. If he had told me sorry I don't want to get involved, I don't think I could have gotten it titled.

[edwardb]

Not exactly, unless things have recently changed. I was the person who had COO issues. I bought an unfinished kit, but because I already had a car finished and driving, the build took a long time. It was when I took it in for the state (MO) to doing its thing we discovered two problems. 1) The seller had not signed and notarized the COO, not his fault, as we where told at the time, by the local DMV it wasn't necessary. That was not the case, get it signed and notarized! 2), FFR mistakenly sent the wrong COO to the original buyer, the numbers on the COO didn't match the frame numbers.
I got really luck, as they were able to actually find the correct COO in their files. If they had not found the correct unissued COO it would have been bad. I was told they could not make and issue a new COO, also the correct one had to be issued to the original purchaser, not to me. Thankfully the original owner was very helpful and understanding. If he had told me sorry I don't want to get involved, I don't think I could have gotten it titled.

Hey Rich. I too have real world experience with this situation with my #7750 build. Factory Five had a policy at that time to not re-issue COO's since they didn't want to be in the ownership proof business. Which I understood, and may not have even been possible in my situation anyway. The state of Michigan didn't like it, and I had to get a surety bond in order to title it. An unexpected (and unappreciated!) $700 expense. Many (most?) states don't have a problem with this. But I still caution buyers about it when getting untitled kits. In a thread about this a couple weeks ago, I gave the same comment, and a tech from Factory Five said they now will re-issue the COO if they're able to contact the original buyer and confirm the sale. Said to contact Sally and she would help them out. So yes, the situation seems to have changed recently.

I'm a little surprised about the suggestion to sign and notarize the COO. Michigan tried to tell me the same thing. But upon review, confirmed what I pointed out to them. The document can only be signed by a registered dealer. Says that on the form. It can't be signed and transferred by a regular consumer like a title.

[rich grsc]

Hey Rich. I too have real world experience with this situation with my #7750 build. Factory Five had a policy at that time to not re-issue COO's since they didn't want to be in the ownership proof business. Which I understood, and may not have even been possible in my situation anyway. The state of Michigan didn't like it, and I had to get a surety bond in order to title it. An unexpected (and unappreciated!) $700 expense. Many (most?) states don't have a problem with this. But I still caution buyers about it when getting untitled kits. In a thread about this a couple weeks ago, I gave the same comment, and a tech from Factory Five said they now will re-issue the COO if they're able to contact the original buyer and confirm the sale. Said to contact Sally and she would help them out. So yes, the situation seems to have changed recently.

I'm a little surprised about the suggestion to sign and notarize the COO. Michigan tried to tell me the same thing. But upon review, confirmed what I pointed out to them. The document can only be signed by a registered dealer. Says that on the form. It can't be signed and transferred by a regular consumer like a title.

I know. Thats what we were told when I purchased the kit, but when I went for the Highway Patrol (MO) inspection it was completely different. I think it was a case of she said, he said, but when the guy with the pen in hand said get it signed or we can't do anything, what you going to do? I called the state DMV headquarters, they said yes it must be signed, so thats what I did. These things aren't written in stone, so obviously it changed, same as with FFR. I was told it was illegal to issue a new COO to anyone but the original buyer????

[rich grsc]

Has anyone bought a partial complete roller and after build tried to register in Missouri? DMV says I need to get a lawyer to file a Declamatory Judgement. Thanks in advance.
Where are you located? If near St. Louis contact Troop C, and ask to talk with Officer Green, hopefully he still works there. He has done all my inspections and many for the area. He is very familiar with these build, and what it takes to get the process done. Don't ask a local DMV, most have no idea of what they are doing regarding building a kit. Don't BS Officer Green, be honest and ask for advice and help and he will give it. If not in the St. Louis area, just do the same with the closest Patrol Troop center.

[TBull]

I bought a partially finished car from another owner. I'm actually the 3rd in this line of succession. After talking to Rich, I contact the previous owner and he was able to contact the original owner down in Texas. As of right now I have a clear path of notarized sales from the original owner all the way to me. I haven't got to the point of titling yet, but I hope to by this fall. If I can't then I'll be contacting FFR I guess. It was some back and forth for sure to find all the pieces, but I hope my complete sales path will hold up.

[Peeker]

I’m gonna have to do a Declamatory Judgement at a cost of $580. That seems like the path of least resistance. The Highway Patrol told me I needed a title for the car the engine came from. The guy I bought the car from bought his donor and never titled it in his name, after he stripped the car he then sold it. Seems like a huge headache.

[mmoen]

I bought a unfinished coupe with ffr certificate. Had notarized bill of sale. Went quite smoothly at troop d, Springfield.
I’ll be doing another in a few days. Plan on doing the same.
Moen