Next Generation Factory Five Supercar Update

[Dave Smith]

Tomorrow, I will be releasing information regarding our efforts that began in 2018 to design a front engine supercar. At SEMA this year, we showed the chassis with a 750 HP V12LS engine, but we did not show the body. The all carbon fiber body is due to be completed in the first few months of 2020, and many people have been asking about what it looks like, especially after seeing a video and a web post that I had done a year ago showing a white bodied car called the GTF.

https://www.factoryfive.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/IMG_2951.jpg

The crew and I have discussed at length the future of the GTM, and as of now, I am considering a final edition GTM BUT I am also considering keeping the GTM in production concurrently with this new car that will be built on a modified Type 65 Coupe chassis. I will post an update on our website by the end of the day tomorrow, and if you follow our Facebook page, we will be doing a Facebook Live broadcast from Factory Five discussing this new car.

[GoDadGo]

Here's An Idea:

Retire The G.T.M. & Bring Back The Daytona Spyder!
I'd Bet Money That The Gen3 Chassis Could Easily Handle Going Topless!

[David Hodgkins]

I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE THIS NEW CAR!!

I really believe this is the one I've been waiting for.

SO STOKED it's ALMOST HERE!!

:)

[Presto51]

If I have a vote, I will vote to keep the GTM. I believe it's an important part of Factory Five's history.

Remember it's their first attempt at doing their own design work, not a flat out replica, which stretched the company to new heights which brought us to what FFR is today.

Just a thought.

Ron

[VRaptor SpeedWorks, LLC]

Great to see you on the forum here, Dave! Very much looking forward to seeing what you guys have come up with for the GTF.....or does it have an official name yet? Curious if you will also be offering this with fiberglass body for less $$$ or if they are all going to be CF?

I would (of course) also like to see the GTM live on for a few more years (since that has been 95% of the basis of my business) and am also looking forward to building this new model for owners who don't want to tackle the build on their own. Can you tell us when you think this new kit will be available for sale?

[Logan]

I watched the GTM be born of Factory Five’s own design (remember the yellow one with the ducktail spoiler!). It would be sad to see it go away completely. Instead you could turn the R&D attention to making a revived generation of the GTM once the GTF/F9 is well underway. Let the sales of the new GTF/F9 dictate the direction of the future GTM.

[acmikee]

saw the chassis at sema….I want one with a coyote motor

[65 Cobra Dude]

Can’t wait to see it!!!

Thx,

Henry

[edwardb]

I'll be watching... :cool:

[WIS89]

Awesome!

I look forward to seeing what FFR has been working so diligently on the last 18 months or so! I have really liked what we have seen so far on the project, and just know the full reveal will be amazing when it comes!

As far as the GTM, I will offer no advice. I trust Dave and the gang will do whatever they feel is the right thing to do regarding that platform.

Can't wait to see what's next; bring it on!!

Regards,

Steve

[LCD Gauges]

Getting rid of a mid-engine option would be a shame, especially with a race team backing the product (albeit a modified car).

Version #3 GTM might be a roll cage, glass, aluminum panels, and a FG shell. A large majority of buyers
swap interior finishing, gauges, lighting, etc. Maybe offer interior fiberglass with or without vinyl skin?

It was great to see you and the gang at SEMA. I think the F9 will be a hit; can't wait to see the Carbon body!

[Dave Smith]

The feedback from you guys weighs heavily as you all are at the center of the community. I swear it is a challenge to balance the demands of the business and manage new products against the backdrop of competing priorities (as I type this I can hear the construction of the new building and new solar array and in the office next door Sandra is working hard on the new accounting and operations computer system!). It has always been a chess game for sure as I have always used cash flow to invest back into the company. This strategy has been limiting because I want to do all of the above. But constraints, I've found, build good discipline and better decisions.. The Daytona convertible/Spyder GT has always been on my mind and a drawing of it is on my office wall so someday I'd like to circle back to that. The GTF project, now called the F9 (9th design and 9 liter V12) and F9R project existed for two reasons.. The first was to invest in and develop the full digital shaping ability of the company from computer screen to mold plug and shape output. That has been mostly successful and we've learned a TON and the process is maybe 75% complete. When the F9 body arrives and actually fits and is paint free clear coated carbon.. then I will be crowing about the process being complete. Right now we are still waiting on output but have made plug ready shapes and essentially refined our own process to reduce mold making time, and time from concept to part. The other reason was less business focused and definitely not connected as closely to profit, and that is I want to make an all-original design that will be part of an iconic company story many years from now. Basically, like many of us, I was drawing cars in third grade and now I want to make my own. This hubris has been the demise of many in the car industry and I am using those case studies and lessons to temper my impatience and drive the design goals of the car. It was the reason why I cut up the GTF concept car as it was not good enough. Now a year later I am waiting to hear your thoughts on the latest shape and configuration. The two big goals are that the shape must be exotic supercar/hypercar and the bodywork issue has to be put to bed with Carbon Fiber that does not include bodywork being required. Both goals we've not delivered on to date.

I'm also going to weigh the feedback a bit less as one thing I've learned thru all these shaping years is that drawings and renderings even photos never capture the proportion and presence of a car. Even though VR and digital design has come a long way, the real-life full-size car is the only way to actually make a go-no go decision. no exceptions, so regardless of the feedback, I will make the final call about whether this new F9 and F9R ever become reality when the actual body arrives, is mounted on the chassis and is complete as a prototype. And while I really am in love with the design up to now, my love for the company and the purity of the design goals is more and this car has got to measure up. We'll see. More to come later today and we'll do the facebook live broadcast at maybe 330 pm. EST

[VRaptor SpeedWorks, LLC]

Sooo.....does this mean we are going to get a sneak peek at the body shape of the F9 later today?

No doubt you have a lot going on right now! I'm always glad to see "small business" growing and thriving!....not sure if you still qualify as a "small business" or not! IMO, you are headed in the right direction here. The appeal of replicas and old cars is great, but the idea of an original and modern design that you can build yourself (with the performance that matches the appearance) is....again, IMO....the right direction to be heading in. As with you, I remember getting in trouble in elementary school for sketching out cars while I was supposed to be paying attention to whatever the teacher was trying to teach us. What I'm doing now for a living is what I've always wanted to do.....build cars. My biggest issue with getting into this business was that..... at the time I was looking to getting my feet wet and taking the leap to head down this road.... I really wasn't too excited about the kits available. Like you, I was looking for something new and fresh....and 97% of what was available were designs from the 60's or "exotic" cars from the 80's.....like poorly executed Fiero rebodies. When I "took the plunge".....investing my own money into my own future.......the GTM was still just a concept and still had the "duck's butt". I ended up buying a K-1 Attack kit. At the time, it was really the only thing out there that was a new, modern looking design with the kit being fairly affordable and donor being extremely affordable. By the time that car was completed, the GTM was being released....which was exactly the type of car I had always envisioned building....a great looking car with real performance potential. And the rest is history. I have either built or finished or worked on 33 different GTMs to date. Very much looking forward to what you've come up with for the F9!

[beeman]

Great stuff, Dave! I'm on my 3rd FFR kit and don't plan to kick the habit any time soon! What's your greatest inspiration for this new car? Aston Martin Vulcan? Could we be seeing a new PDG car out west soon?



"duck's butt"

What do you have against a duck butt? :cool:

https://s17.directupload.net/images/190603/agywqvcy.jpg

[VRaptor SpeedWorks, LLC]

What do you have against a duck butt? :cool:



LOL! I think your rear spoiler will look great. OTOH, I had not kept track of the GTM at all while I was building the Attack, and was VERY happy to see that they had changed the rear of the GTM once I got to looking for my next project!

118765

[Taz Rules]

Looking forward to seeing the F9

Also wish to see a GenIII GTM using the new Corvette transaxle. Mid-engine is more $, but its also ingrained in the true definition of Supercar

[progmgr1]

In my mind, the GTM was always the mid-engine Corvette that should have been, but wasn't available to buy. Now that you can go down to the local dealership and "get one off the rack", I don't see the point in continuing that product line. OTOH, the F9 sounds VERY INTERESTING! Good luck on the new venture! Keith HR#894

[GoDadGo]

I'm still enamored by the Panoz GTR-1 from the late 1990's

https://www.supercars.net/blog/1998-panoz-gtr-1/

It was Cooler Than Cool so I'm 100% sure that Dave and his Krazy Krewe will create something even better.

Look Up Mardi Gras Krewe Regarding My Spelling Choice:

https://www.mardigrasneworleans.com/parades/krewes

[David Hodgkins]

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=118768&d=1576013402

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:)

[VRaptor SpeedWorks, LLC]

After just watching the Facebook Live update from Dave and crew, Wow.....you guys are nailing it! Very impressed with what I saw there. I have zero suggestions or complaints.....just keep doing what you're doing with the F9. Spectacular!

[LCD Gauges]

Saw some of the live stream. It's too bad the transaxle was such a tipping point for the GTM.

I didn't hang around long enough for the specs . Do we know length, width, height , and approximate weight?

Nice looking model. The lights look killer as well!

[SkiRideDrive]

https://www.factoryfive.com/whats-new/f9r-concept-supercar-update/

Looks pretty good.

[Jeff Kleiner]

...Do we know length, width, height , and approximate weight?



Sub 2,400 lbs. target weight, 104″ wheelbase, 78″ body width, 46″ overall height.

Jeff

[beeman]

Beautiful! Trunk/luggage space??
FFR or OEM suspension?
Sealed cabin/side windows?
FFR loyalty discount?:D

https://www.factoryfive.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/ffr-new-hypercar-preview-folio-1.jpg

[Jetfuel]

Well I'll come out and say it...a Mustang with a body kit??
Even my wife said that as soon as she saw it...

Jet

[beeman]

I think more European than the Mustang...

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/c_fill,f_auto,fl_progressive,g_center,h_675,pg_1,q _80,w_1200/stlk6vud9yauhzt9pxrn.jpg

[Cobradavid]

https://www.factoryfive.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/ffr-new-hypercar-preview-folio-1.jpg

Beautiful lines. Probably going to get some Vette folks looking at this vs. the C8! :)

[progmgr1]

O...M...G... I'm embarrassed to stand up from behind my desk IYKWIMAITYD :rolleyes: That is one fine looking automobile!
Sorry I missed the broadcast, had a doctor's appointment that I couldn't miss. I don't do FB anyway. Thanks to Mr. Hodgkins for posting the photos, along with everything else he does for the forums.
So, when do the specs and glamour shots get posted on the website for the world to see?
Keith

[LCD Gauges]

F9R looks better IMO!


I think more European than the Mustang...

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/c_fill,f_auto,fl_progressive,g_center,h_675,pg_1,q _80,w_1200/stlk6vud9yauhzt9pxrn.jpg

[beeman]

F9R looks better IMO!

I agree, sharper lines and less fluff...

[cnutting]

Beautiful lines. Probably going to get some Vette folks looking at this vs. the C8! :)

Get some Mustang people when Ford brings the Mach E online and alienates their fan base...

[LCD Gauges]

https://scontent.fybz2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/s960x960/79036926_10159157017679148_7408157989565104128_o.j pg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_ohc=GAF0WGJwlcwAQlwmPo4XnkfZy_RtNF6z0Yp-ou8nGF8q_gTemfmydyS3w&_nc_ht=scontent.fybz2-1.fna&oh=6235ab1e517aeef831335f48f144d3d8&oe=5E7616DD

[Jim1855]

Looks like a great place to put a LS7 and T56.
I like it.
Jim

[UnhipPopano]

The front looks interesting in that the design lends itself to being able to adjust front downforce. The quad exhaust out the back could be a problem. Doors have been a problem in the past, the current design may also present challenges. For example, when the door window is lowered, it looks like it may interfere with the door skin.

[Connedale]

Blown away. Looking forward to more details.

[beeman]

The quad exhaust out the back could be a problem.

I'd prefer side pipes for a flat belly and deeper diffuser.

[UpstateCobraGuy]

Perfect build to use the first wrecked '20 GT500 as a donor...

[SDhemmings]

I like it so far but I agree completely with Dave, need to have a fully built car finished so that you can do a full walk around and get real world angles. Its the only real way to properly get a feel for a car. I have seen lots of cars in pictures that I thought were pretty nice and when I saw them in real life I was disappointed.

[crash]

I'd prefer side pipes for a flat belly and deeper diffuser.

I like your thinking. :)

[kabacj]

While at SEMA I spent some time checking out the diffuser area. Getting an ideal angle will be easier with this underbody design. The frame allows the leading edge of the diffuser to start further under the car compared to the GTM. Obviously the closer you move the downforce to the center of gravity of the car the easier it will be to balance.

As you can see from the rendering, quite a bit of thought was dedicated to aero in general. There is nothing better than free downforce.

[jamesfr58]

It's looking good and might just have to be my next project if it is hatched, like the design so far so should prove to be interesting when you get the body and it mounted on the frame!!

[beeman]

Some good publicity out there...
Saleen S7 pedigree really adds street cred...

https://www.autoblog.com/amp/2019/12/12/factory-five-f9r/

[KGTM]

Important thing is does that it come with all the parts as shown in the picture or at least an option to buy with all the body parts.
And I think someone mentioned how are the seals and doors and windows and is it rain ready.

Mostafa

[VRaptor SpeedWorks, LLC]

Important thing is does that it come with all the parts as shown in the picture or at least an option to buy with all the body parts.
And I think someone mentioned how are the seals and doors and windows and is it rain ready.

Mostafa

While it would be awesome to believe that the doors and windows will make a perfect seal, I think we need to be realistic here. Look at the door and window seals in your production car. They are all custom moulded to exactly fit the door opening and window opening and just the seals alone probably have tens of thousands of dollars of R&D invested in them along with more tens of thousands of dollars in production moulds to make the seals. This is a kit car. IMO, it would be great if you can create a reasonable seal with the doors and windows with some off-the-shelf universal weatherstripping.....but in reality, I think this is a bit much to ask for if you don't want the kit price to be $50k+.

I can't help but recall when the 2nd Gen Ford Probe came out. I was a mechanic at a Ford dealership at the time. We had dozens and dozens of those things come in the door because the windows would not seal properly. That was on a brand new production car built on an assembly line with tons and tons of R&D invested and custom moulded seals just for that specific car.

[Mike N]

The nice thing about designing a body from scratch on a computer and then replicating it very accurately on a 5 axis gantry mill is that you have the opportunity to take an off the shelf rubber seal profile and design the door and body contour to work well with that standard rubber seal and not the other way around. To do it properly might take quite a few hours of CAD work but I would like to think that a custom part would not be needed to get a very high end seal. I know I am making this sound very straight forward and simplistic and it is not. But hopefully these sort of detail areas will be given the attention they deserve.

[VRaptor SpeedWorks, LLC]

The nice thing about designing a body from scratch on a computer and then replicating it very accurately on a 5 axis gantry mill is that you have the opportunity to take an off the shelf rubber seal profile and design the door and body contour to work well with that standard rubber seal and not the other way around. To do it properly might take quite a few hours of CAD work but I would like to think that a custom part would not be needed to get a very high end seal. I know I am making this sound very straight forward and simplistic and it is not. But hopefully these sort of detail areas will be given the attention they deserve.

This leads to one area that I think could bite FFR in the *** a bit. During the FB live video session, it sounds like they are making the body openings and doors/hood/hatch to size with CF finished edges. I'm a real stickler for body gaps......I work very hard to get everything on the GTM bodies fitted so that there is virtually zero gap between the hood and body, doors and body, hatch and body....and then after everything is hinged and latched and body is adjusted to final position.....then I go thru and gap everything to the same gap all the way around so that everything is about as close to perfect as it can get. If the doors and hatch and hood are already moulded to size (instead of oversized like on the GTM doors) that is going to make everything super-critical as far as fitting the body to the chassis, the doors to the chassis and body, hood to chassis and body, etc. If you end up with a gap that's too big or too small....there's not going to be any way to fix it.

On the flip side, if the body doesn't require hundreds of hours of bodywork, I guess that spending some extra time messing around with the location/placement of the body and adjusting door/hatch/hood hinges and strikers might be a good trade-off. Time will tell here.

[David Hodgkins]

Road and Track Came out with this:
https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/a29587712/factory-fives-latest-creation-is-an-ls-v-12-powered-supercar/

:)

[crash]

This leads to one area that I think could bite FFR in the *** a bit. During the FB live video session, it sounds like they are making the body openings and doors/hood/hatch to size with CF finished edges. I'm a real stickler for body gaps......I work very hard to get everything on the GTM bodies fitted so that there is virtually zero gap between the hood and body, doors and body, hatch and body....and then after everything is hinged and latched and body is adjusted to final position.....then I go thru and gap everything to the same gap all the way around so that everything is about as close to perfect as it can get. If the doors and hatch and hood are already moulded to size (instead of oversized like on the GTM doors) that is going to make everything super-critical as far as fitting the body to the chassis, the doors to the chassis and body, hood to chassis and body, etc. If you end up with a gap that's too big or too small....there's not going to be any way to fix it.

On the flip side, if the body doesn't require hundreds of hours of bodywork, I guess that spending some extra time messing around with the location/placement of the body and adjusting door/hatch/hood hinges and strikers might be a good trade-off. Time will tell here.

OEMs seem to be able to do it, even when "plastics" are used. What I do know is that this is not going to be a $20k kit. If this is a CF body, that fits right from the get go, customers are going to pay for that. I assume that the CF parts will be epoxy based? If so, this should help with shrinkage irregularities as epoxy resin is known to shrink much less than polyester. This could help significantly with parts fitting much better right out of the molds.

[Mike N]

Shane. I'm thinking that the seals should contact the door shut profiles and not the outer skin or edges that ultimately provide the body gaps. So the inner door molding / panel, the door shut molding, and not the door skin or roof / fender / side panel. I agree that it might be good to have the door skin slightly over-sized to be able to fine tune the gaps. FFR tried adding the ability to independently adjust the panels on the 818 and that didn't work out quite to plan. They have a lot of experience with these challenges on existing designs so should hopefully have the insight to make things a lot less troublesome this time around. Getting those details right is what will ultimately make the car worth a higher price.

[Mike N]

OEMs seem to be able to do it, even when "plastics" are used. What I do know is that this is not going to be a $20k kit. If this is a CF body, that fits right from the get go, customers are going to pay for that. I assume that the CF parts will be epoxy based? If so, this should help with shrinkage irregularities as epoxy resin is known to shrink much less than polyester. This could help significantly with parts fitting much better right out of the molds.

Doing hand lay up on such a large part with epoxy would be very challenging. In a reasonable production volume the use of resin infusion would be a perfect process for the body molding. It would also allow for the inclusion of foam core sandwich areas to the roof and hood to add stiffness and strength. Doing the body well, and to a budget, is by far the biggest challenge on this project. FFR has the chassis stuff well under control.

[crash]

All this being said, I have experienced aligning steel OEM doors that were fine and fitted properly when they came off the vehicle I was working on and it was not an easy task. They make it look easy on the factory production lines, but it is not. No matter what some people will have issues aligning doors even if they are matched perfectly to the rest of the bodywork. Being able to grind your way to fitment, while convenient, is not necessarily the right way to have a properly finished product.

[VRaptor SpeedWorks, LLC]

Shane. I'm thinking that the seals should contact the door shut profiles and not the outer skin or edges that ultimately provide the body gaps.

Yeah...sorry if my reply was confusing as I was not talking about the door seals at all in that post...just the fitment of the doors in relation to body gaps. I guess to bring that full circle to the door seals (which is what I was thinking about when I was posting about the door gaps but didn't really get back to door seals) is that if they think they can make all the door gaps come out right, then the door seal areas should also stay consistent so that you could use the same profile of generic foam bulb seal on every car and it should work.

[Alan_C]

Beautiful! Trunk/luggage space??
FFR or OEM suspension?
Sealed cabin/side windows?
FFR loyalty discount?:D

https://www.factoryfive.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/ffr-new-hypercar-preview-folio-1.jpg

What is the color code for the dark red on the F9R, simply beautiful.

[chmhasy]

Car looks great I don't like the front end, lines do not match the car, would be cool to go with a smaller motor and add AWD.

[KGTM]

Anyone who think the car in above picture will cost 50K is crazy and has never done kit car, I think if one adds all the pennies, trip to store, shipping of part, body work, paint, mods, engine , trany, new parts, is well over 80K and 100K will not be hard at all, and this is not adding the time, so personally I would rather spend more money out front instead of fighting all the fitness carzynes later and not get it right. Body should have alignment point to frame and checked before shipment so it fit to body at it is supposed too or accruent enough that fits without checking, it is 2020 and not 2007 when GTM was built, it must have much better quality and fitment!

None of my cars have air gaps for for noise or rain, I do not think we need to excuse this, we should ask for better, I have no issue for paying more for it, if you add all the cost and pain that the customer pay to fix these thing, it will cost 1/10 if FF5 does it since they can do in volume.


Thanks,
Mostafa

[beeman]

The appeal of this car to me is the lightness of it. Styling is very good, but not enough for me if it weighs as much as a bloated OEM car. I believe a car can be both safe and exhilarating without 1000 pounds of nannies and government issued 'necessities'.


FFR is saying lay the CF body on (more or less) and go driving. That's OEM territory but doable in 2020. Especially with computer/CAD/3d manufacturing. It's easy to clone the male and female mating surfaces of an OEM door so you can use an OEM door seal.
I have alluded to this before, I would recommend FFR not try to manufacture anything that already exists in the OEM realm. ie windshield, side windows, dashboards, door cards. Make the door to fit a POS Honda Civic door card and it can be customized to be better than an Aston Martin door card. Use a Nissan 350Z trunk hinge rather than a CAD designed hinge. Headlights are hard to produce in-house. Lamborghini did this with Nissan 300zx headlights in the 90s. Modify existing OEM products as much as possible because they have millions of dollars of R&D already invested and there's no cost or penalty to incorporate them.

[Jeff Kleiner]

What is the color code for the dark red on the F9R, simply beautiful.

That's a CGI so there isn't really a color code.

Jeff

[Aircontroller]

Alan,

I think it looks a lot like the C8 Long Beach red...

https://gmauthority.com/blog/gm/chevrolet/corvette/2019-chevrolet-corvette/2019-chevrolet-corvette-colors/2019-chevrolet-corvette-exterior-colors/



What is the color code for the dark red on the F9R, simply beautiful.

[VRaptor SpeedWorks, LLC]

Anyone who think the car in above picture will cost 50K is crazy and has never done kit car, I think if one adds all the pennies, trip to store, shipping of part, body work, paint, mods, engine , trany, new parts, is well over 80K and 100K.....

Thanks,
Mostafa

I don't know about others, but I'm referring to the actual kit price.....not what it will take to build a complete car. Again....I think if they can actually make this work and be so consistent that all of the parts are made to size with the door/hatch/hood gaps already built into the parts....that should be plenty of consistency to where they should be able to come up with a decent, repeatable door and window seal that will work on all F9's...using "off-the-shelf" universal weatherstripping products. With that said, I think that expecting to be able to run the car thru a car wash or pressure washer with zero leaks is....IMO....maybe a bit more than we should expect.....unless you want to pay that $50k price for just the kit alone. That is what I was getting at.

[crash]

Just to clarify, there are going to be two models of this vehicle...an F9 and an F9R. The F9R will be the race version of the F9. This will follow what FFR has done with recent offerings such as the Coupe, Roadster, and 818 where they offered both the street kit and the race kit versions.

[VRaptor SpeedWorks, LLC]

To Crash's point.....surely I'm not the only one who noticed during the "live" FB unveiling that there were dozens of "front end" renderings hanging on the wall behind them? I gathered that the front end of the car they showed was the F9R.....and I'm guessing that one of those renderings on the wall might be close to what will become the F9 "street version" front bodywork?

[beeman]

I'm guessing this will be a non-donor build? Just a few OEM drivetrain components?

[chargerbill]

I couldn't be more impressed with the engineering that FFR has been presenting. Mr. Smith has one of the best jobs in the world in my opinion and is doing it in style. Now that I bought a Type 65 Coupe, when may I order the FFR GT40 replica?

[Straversi]

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=118768&d=1576013402

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=118772&d=1576013472

:)

Looks like the street nose has been modeled and is sitting on the table in front of the silver scale model. You just get a glimpse of it in the video.
This is not a project I'm interested in building (more hot-rodder than super car) but its fun to follow the development. I imagine the design technology they are using will help them bring more new models and revisions to existing models to market faster and cheaper.
-Steve

[edwardb]

A lot of the comments on here make it sound like this is done deal including many of the design details. Dave stressed several times in the video this is still a concept design and they won't make any final decisions, including whether it's even released for production, until after they receive the full size body and do more reviews. I think it's safe to say the final version, if there is one, will have changes. So maybe too soon to micro-analyze. Don't know if this fits in my wheelhouse or not. See what happens. But it is pretty amazing how this company has matured even in the past 10 years or so I've been observing.

[delta0014]

I vote that Edwardb builds the first one... That way we'll all have a build manual to go by if we want to build it.

[kabacj]

See what happens. But it is pretty amazing how this company has matured even in the past 10 years or so I've been observing.

I’m with you Ed. Agree there will be changes. But the development over the past 20 years that I have been watching has been impressive. It started with that CD. Haha. I’d bet this project gets delivered. Changes from the prototype sure.. but this thing is pretty far along.

It’s going to be fun to watch no doubt.

After 4 cars you probably could build this thing with your eyes closed

[HardRocker]

Or Valarra Vette https://valarra.com/

[beeman]

I never was impressed with the Vaydor...