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TMartinLVNV
08-29-2019, 01:21 PM
My 302 headers arrived today. It looks like FF is sending out the new style headers that are on the 25th anniversary kit. Plus they already have O2 bungs in the collector. Very pleasant surprise!
https://i413.photobucket.com/albums/pp213/tmartinlvnv/20190829_111202.jpg (http://s413.photobucket.com/user/tmartinlvnv/media/20190829_111202.jpg.html)
Terry
Jeff Kleiner
08-30-2019, 05:48 AM
They've been shipping for a few months.
Jeff
That looks like a very nice product improvement!
Olli
Blue Viking
08-30-2019, 02:26 PM
I checked with FFR the first thing I saw these. Very happy that they confirmed I'll be receiving these with the kit, which by the way must be somewhere in the Atlantic right now.
GoDadGo
08-30-2019, 03:42 PM
Now consider grabbing some Adjustment Wedges from Mark Reynolds at Breeze Automotive and all will be right with the world.
https://www.breezeautomotive.com/?s=adjustment+wedge&post_type=product
Between the new headers and some adjustment wedges you should be able to really nail the pipe location with little difficulty.
FFinisher
08-30-2019, 03:58 PM
Now consider grabbing some Adjustment Wedges from Mark Reynolds at Breeze Automotive and all will be right with the world.
https://www.breezeautomotive.com/?s=adjustment+wedge&post_type=product
Between the new headers and some adjustment wedges you should be able to really nail the pipe location with little difficulty.
The whole point of the new pipes is to eliminate the need for the wedges.
GoDadGo
08-30-2019, 04:51 PM
The whole point of the new pipes is to eliminate the need for the wedges.
No Excrement Dick Tracy; however, we all know that getting the angle of the dangle spot on perfect may need a little extra help unless you fab up your own headers like some of us did. ..Heck, some of us (Meaning Me) are so OCD that we (Me) even shortened the wheelbase to center the rear wheels since Factory Five didn't.
Look Mom, Centered Rear Wheels & Nicely Hung Pipes On Custom IMCA Headers!
https://youtu.be/CaRlqMmKIzk
FFinisher
08-31-2019, 10:41 AM
No Excrement Dick Tracy; however, we all know that getting the angle of the dangle spot on perfect may need a little extra help unless you fab up your own headers like some of us did. ..Heck, some of us (Meaning Me) are so OCD that we (Me) even shortened the wheelbase to center the rear wheels since Factory Five didn't.
Look Mom, Centered Rear Wheels & Nicely Hung Pipes On Custom IMCA Headers!
https://youtu.be/CaRlqMmKIzk
No need for insults, although it seems the American way these days. I was posting to help others
TMartinLVNV
08-31-2019, 11:00 AM
FFinisher Your post was helpful for me. Thanks.
Terry
GoDadGo
08-31-2019, 11:13 AM
No need for insults, although it seems the American way these days. I was posting to help others
My reply was not an insult, but I must admit that Southern Humor & Sarcasm are often misunderstood.
Sorry I Offended You!
totem
09-01-2019, 08:48 AM
Adjustment is nice if it stays adusted. J-tube ball joint does not stay in place. The headers has 3 bolts vs 2. It should help.
If not, it would be easy to tack weld in place.
swwebb
09-01-2019, 11:34 AM
Are these only for the Coyote or are they for all 302's? They don't seem to be under the Parts tab on the FFR website.
RBachman
09-01-2019, 12:03 PM
..........we (Me) even shortened the wheelbase to center the rear wheels since Factory Five didn't.
My kit arrives later this month and off-center rear wheels has been a nagging thought. It seems this has been a long time issue and that it wouldn't take much to change/correct. Why hasn't it been done? There must be a good reason?
TMartinLVNV
09-01-2019, 12:22 PM
Are these only for the Coyote or are they for all 302's? They don't seem to be under the Parts tab on the FFR website.
I ordered the "standard" 4 into 4 302 headers when I ordered my car. These are what arrived. I think that they are FFR's replacement. They don't look as clean as the standard headers, but for functionality, they are great.
steno
09-02-2019, 07:55 AM
I do admit that they looked “busy” the first time I saw them. But the function ability can’t be denied! I’d probably set them up and get them tig welded before cutting off the collars.
GoDadGo
09-02-2019, 08:18 AM
My kit arrives later this month and off-center rear wheels has been a nagging thought. It seems this has been a long time issue and that it wouldn't take much to change/correct. Why hasn't it been done? There must be a good reason?
From what I understand the 25th anniversary cars will be using All New Molds that addresses the off-center rear wheel issue among other problems.
Hopefully those molds will be used for all future MK-4's after all of the 25th Anniversary Special Addition Cars are sold.
Since I don't have the IRS set up so I don't know how much things can be adjusted to minimize the issue.
edwardb
09-02-2019, 09:47 AM
My kit arrives later this month and off-center rear wheels has been a nagging thought. It seems this has been a long time issue and that it wouldn't take much to change/correct. Why hasn't it been done? There must be a good reason?
Based on the 20th anniversary video Dave Smith did, the "new" bodies will be sold for all new kits going forward. Don't know the exact cut-in date. You could ask if yours will be one. Good to see they tucked in the openings a bit. But off-center isn't necessarily the case for all. Gets a lot of discussion I guess, but I personally haven't seen in with my builds. I see you have IRS, and my 20th with IRS is fine.
https://i867.photobucket.com/albums/ab234/edwardb123/Factory%20Five%2020th%20Anniversary%20Mark%204%20R oadster/Graduation/IMG_4513_zps1unfpixk.jpg (https://s867.photobucket.com/user/edwardb123/media/Factory%20Five%2020th%20Anniversary%20Mark%204%20R oadster/Graduation/IMG_4513_zps1unfpixk.jpg.html)
289FIA_Cobra
11-11-2019, 01:58 AM
My 302 headers arrived today. It looks like FF is sending out the new style headers that are on the 25th anniversary kit. Plus they already have O2 bungs in the collector. Very pleasant surprise!
https://i413.photobucket.com/albums/pp213/tmartinlvnv/20190829_111202.jpg (http://s413.photobucket.com/user/tmartinlvnv/media/20190829_111202.jpg.html)
Terry
Are these available to order from FFR (just these new headers)? I have an older MKIII and going EFI this winter.
Might be time to call them.
initiator
11-11-2019, 06:24 PM
I bought a new set of these headers for Coyote last month - they're not on the website, just email or call.
Jcdata
11-11-2019, 07:32 PM
No need for insults, although it seems the American way these days. I was posting to help others
How was that an insult? Sensitive are we?
All he was saying .. he agreed to what you said but you're still going to need to do an adjustment unless you fabricated them yourself to your chassis and engine combo.
It's just guys being guys.
wby300
12-05-2020, 05:15 AM
Will these header fit and working with a SBF 363 with high port heads. (Exhaust Ports raised .750" over stock)? T
Thank you
BradCraig
12-05-2020, 08:54 AM
For what it’s worth, my sidepipes aligned perfectly using the ball headers with no wedges needed. Also, I got my kit back in January and it came from the new molds. Several needed enhancements that are detailed in one of the 25th anny videos from Dave Smith.
dncharo
12-05-2020, 07:04 PM
I have these headers and have noticed the side pipes sagging a bit despite the collars being very tight. It was mentioned above that you can tack weld them to prevent the sagging.
Has anyone tried this? Does it work?
BradCraig
12-05-2020, 07:29 PM
Do you have the rear support brackets installed?
TMartinLVNV
12-05-2020, 09:06 PM
Sagging has not been a problem for me. I had to tighten up the bolts at the collars on each side after putting some miles on the car and have not had to touch them since. The rear mount is what seems to hold the exhaust up. The inner solid mount bolt broke on each side and mine are being held up by the rubber hanger only and seem to be doing fine. I guess if I had to do it over, I would not have even used the inner solid mount.
dncharo
12-05-2020, 09:28 PM
Do you have the rear support brackets installed?
Great point! No, I’m still in go kart and have some temporary rear support straps, but don’t have the brackets installed yet. Hopefully they will work when I install them after the painted body goes back on. Thanks.
j.miller
12-06-2020, 09:32 AM
My 2cents. As far as aligning the side pipes...they help. You will ALWAYS need to modify the cut out to some degree. I have worked with 6 cars so far and had to move the cut out on 3 of them enough to have to reglass to backfill. The ball joint gives you a lot but not everything. With the under car pipe bracket in place the sidepipe will still sag after vibration and heat cycle. I would suggest (once they are where you want them) (relative to the body not the chassis) to have them welded up so they don't move turning them into a regular o'l header...da Bat
cfriedman67
02-23-2021, 08:46 AM
Can someone confirm that the Coyote headers sold by factory five now have the new flange and collars that are adjustable?
rich grsc
02-23-2021, 09:16 AM
See post #19
cfriedman67
02-23-2021, 11:05 AM
Thanks Rich.
rich grsc
02-23-2021, 11:53 AM
Thats the only style of header that Factory Five now sells. Just look at their parts site.
cfriedman67
02-23-2021, 12:31 PM
I did look at the parts site and for the coyote they only show it without the connector. Thanks again for filling me in.
Dave Tabor
02-23-2021, 10:12 PM
Bought some of these new headers (302) for my Gen III coupe from the FFR web page.
Fit and alignment is great and no more need for sandwiches of wedges and gaskets.
Lighter (stainless steel) than the old ones by a few lbs.
Mine do sag at the ball couplers- the bolts are not fully threaded and the nuts are the end of the threads and can't be tightened any further- just need to get some washers under the bolt heads.
Dave
Gen III Coupe #17