My One Year Delay Is Now Over!

[GoDadGo]

Hey Gang,

The Chevy Cobra Sprung A Not So Good Leak.

We ended up with water in the oil after our last Go-Kart run.
At first we thought it was an intake issue since those bolts seemed to have backed out after a total of about 9 gallons of fuel used during the break-in period plus 30-35 miles of test driving.
The intake was pulled and reseated and a compression test was also done which yielded excellent figures between 200-202 lbs on both cylinder banks. (Extremely Close, Which Was A Surpise Since The Heads Were Not CC'd!)
We pressure tested the radiator again and water is still making its way into the oil pan so "Ugg" Said Sir Charles Brown, "Ugg!"
Anyway, I'll be using my borescope to see if I can find anything, specifically head gasket leaks or cracks in the lifter galley, which is easily accessible with the distributor pulled.

Please Wish Me Luck Because I Think We've Got A Crack In The Lifter Valley!

Steve

NOTE: Thanks Mr. Charles M. Schulz / We All Miss You!

[42Bfast]

Keeping fingers, toes, and eyes crossed for a simple solution to your malady.

One of my favorite quotes, at times directed at me,...."Of all the Charlie Browns in the world, you're the Charlie Browniest."

Good luck to you.

[srobinsonx2]

Dang Steve. That stinks. I will be rooting for my Louisiana brother. You will get it fixed I am positive.

Engine work is pretty new to me so I will be following along to see what I can learn. Any pictures, notes, or finding will be greatly appreciated.

[Just puttering]

That is a sad situation! Hopefully it is something that can be easily remedied.



You know it may be just the fact that the chevy is wetting itself being put in a ford ! :p

[scottiec]

Ahhhh man. Frustrating. Butttttt it is fixable. Just not delightful. Keep us posted Steve!!

[Jazzman]

Hey Gang,

The Chevy Cobra Sprung A Not So Good Leak.

We ended up with water in the oil after our last Go-Kart run.
At first we thought it was an intake issue since those bolts seemed to have backed out after a total of about 9 gallons of fuel used during the break-in period plus 30-35 miles of test driving.
The intake was pulled and reseated and a compression test was also done which yielded excellent figures between 200-202 lbs on both cylinder banks. (Extremely Close, Which Was A Surpise Since The Heads Were Not CC'd!)
We pressure tested the radiator again and water is still making its way into the oil pan so "Ugg" Said Sir Charles Brown, "Ugg!"
Anyway, I'll be using my borescope to see if I can find anything, specifically head gasket leaks or cracks in the lifter galley, which is easily accessible with the distributor pulled.

Please Wish Me Luck Because I Think We've Got A Crack In The Lifter Valley!

Steve

NOTE: Thanks Mr. Charles M. Schulz / We All Miss You!

Ugg, Indeed! I am so sorry Dad. You seem to have a very good handle on what to do and where to go with the problem. I have a very good feeling that you will quickly find and fix the problem just like you have overcome all the others in your build. May the problem turn out to be very insignificant and easily fixable. We look forward to your post of "success"!

[WIS89]

Steve-

Sorry to hear about your engine troubles. I hope it is a quick and easy repair, and you get back to finishing things up quickly!

I know you will keep us updated, and I look forward to seeing it get resolved; good luck with it!

Regards,

Steve

[GoDadGo]

Thanks Gents,

I'm going to see what I can see with the Borescope today.
Hope it's a leaky head gasket or intake, but I won't know for sure unless I can see it through the scope.
Will keep you all posted, but it is looking like we'll be on hold for a while as the finances are a bit tight these days with our last child just going off to college (Baby Go-Dad) this year.
Wish Me Luck!

Steve

[RoadRacer]

Kids can work their way through college - it's character building ;)

Good luck and hope you find something cheap and easy to fix!

[Ducky2009]

Steve,

Damn, sorry to hear. I know everyone has their fingers crossed, hoping for a simple solution.

David

[GoDadGo]

We all know that this is a problem that money and time will eventually solve!

Thanks, Gentlemen!

[Jeff Kleiner]

Given that it won't hold cooling system pressure you can go the other way and perform a leakdown test to reveal if a head gasket or combustion chamber crack is the culpruit.

Jeff

[GoDadGo]

Given that it won't hold cooling system pressure you can go the other way and perform a leakdown test to reveal if a head gasket or combustion chamber crack is the culpruit.

Jeff

Jeff,

I don't know how to do a leak down test because I've never done one before but there is always time to learn.
Will be talking to a Machinist Friend of mine tomorrow since I know he's watching the Saints Fumble Today!
Will research the process & thanks!

Steve

[Jeff Kleiner]

Reader's Digest version of a leakdown test; you introduce air into the cylinder with the valves closed then observe if/where it escapes which will indicate where you are not sealing---intake, exhaust, crankcase or cooling system.

Good luck,
Jeff

[Papa]

Steve,

Sorry to hear you are having issues, but I know you will push through them. Here is a good video on doing a leak down test and how to diagnose the source of the leak.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofSiTGeLXvc

Hang in there brother!

Dave

[GoDadGo]

Hey Gents,

We did the leak down test late last night and it yielded nothing of consequence other than healthy cylinders.

I had my neighbor who is a certified mechanic do the test. He's thinking crack in block or possible head gasket leak. We'll pressure test cooling system after I fabricate some block off plates for the cooling passages. We hope to see coolant coming from the lifter galley along the head gaskets, but that's a long shot.

Will keep you all posted so in the mean time:

Keep Building The Best Cars On The Planet Which Only Come From Factory Five Racing!

Steve

[Ducky2009]

Steve, When you said you had good numbers on your compression test, I didn't think a leak down test would yield anything. Different way to test the same thing. From my experience, sounds like a blown head gasket or cracked block or head. Next step would be to remove the heads. Sorry to say but blowing a head gasket between the water jacket and oil passage is not that common, but possible. If it is the head gasket, make sure the head surface and block deck are perfectly flat (no low spots), with an indicator, or the same thing could happen again.

[GoDadGo]

Duck,

Yep, I do think that it is unlikely that it is a head gasket and feel like it is going to be the block.
200 lbs on the left bank and 201 on the right just don't make sense with a water leak.
The foundation of the engine (The Block) is likely the culprit.

Steve

[42Bfast]

"Rats!"

[GoDadGo]

"Rats!"

No, It's Not Rats That I'm Dealing With!

.It's A Mighty Mouse Motor That Sprung A Leak!

I'll be pulling the pan one night this week to see if I've got an issue in the bottom of one of the cylinders.
Since the block had to be relieved to clear the 3.75" stroke crank with the 6.0" H-Beam rods there is a chance that we may have hit a water jacket.
At this point, it is still an ongoing crime scene.

[Hotyacht]

Somebody has to say it.........................

It's a Chevy in a Ford, right???

Somebody is trying to tell you something.

[RickP]

Stick with it Steve. You will overcome this problem. I'm rooting for ya!

[GoDadGo]

Somebody has to say it.........................

It's a Chevy in a Ford, right???

Somebody is trying to tell you something.

It's not a Ford.
It's much better than that.
It's A Factory Five!

[Garry Bopp]

Steve,

While I'm a diehard Ford guy, I sure hope you find your problem soon and hopefully not too expensive to fix.

Garry

[Al_C]

Not to be overly pessimistic, but did your engine supplier provide any kind of warranty? Reading through the thread, I have to believe it's a problem with the block. Historically, GM has had an excellent reputation for engines, but the laws of large numbers still apply - there will always be one that fails. I hope this comes to a speedy and successful conclusion!

[GoDadGo]

Not to be overly pessimistic, but did your engine supplier provide any kind of warranty? Reading through the thread, I have to believe it's a problem with the block. Historically, GM has had an excellent reputation for engines, but the laws of large numbers still apply - there will always be one that fails. I hope this comes to a speedy and successful conclusion!

I don't have a warranty, but the engine builder is doing everything he can to assist me because I've known this gentleman since I was 18 or 19 years of age and am now 54.

My gut feeling is that a crack opened up in the block or we hit a water passage in the bottom of the block when we opened it up to accept the rotating assembly, but I'm still digging.

Also, please know that this drive-line was never intended to go in a Factory Five, but my 1980 Z/28 that was lost in Hurricane Katrina back in August of 2005 along with my motor mentor's machine shop. These parts had been sitting around my home ever since so that's when I decided to build a Factory Five MK-4.

We'll keep digging and I know we will find the issue soon so I'll keep you all posted.

Thanks For All The Support Gang Because It Is Appreciated!

[Hotyacht]

It's not a Ford.
It's much better than that.
It's A Factory Five!

I hope that you realise I was just poking you with some humour. It must be very frustrating and to a degree a little stressful, especially as you are getting so close to completing the build. I hope you find the source of the problem and the solution isn't too painful. With luck it can be treated as an opportunity to improve the powerplant, and your Factory Five.

[GoDadGo]

I hope that you realise I was just poking you with some humour. It must be very frustrating and to a degree a little stressful, especially as you are getting so close to completing the build. I hope you find the source of the problem and the solution isn't too painful. With luck it can be treated as an opportunity to improve the powerplant, and your Factory Five.

Absolutely Know It Was Just In Fun!

Trying to stay positive since this car ran so shockingly well since it was 1st started in June.

[David Hodgkins]

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=74168&d=1506453767

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=74169&d=1506453768

It took hours and hours ;) to put this together so I hope you take it as the joke it is meant to be!

Hope it doesn't turn out to be the block... Best of luck diagnosing the issue!

:)

[GoDadGo]

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=74168&d=1506453767

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=74169&d=1506453768

It took hours and hours ;) to put this together so I hope you take it as the joke it is meant to be!

Hope it doesn't turn out to be the block... Best of luck diagnosing the issue!

:)

This Forum Has Helped Me Build The Car & Is Helping Me Fix It!

By the way, Love Lucy Holding The Bowtie, which will likely get replaced with a Dart Block if things go South.

Heck, I'm in New Orleans so they already have gone South!

[bobl]

I'm betting you ground into the water jacket. I had that happen to me once when doing some Chinese H beam rods in a 383. I hit water before the bolts would clear the block. Lesson learned on that one.

[42Bfast]

I've spent my summer up in Georgia on a job assignment, working out the funds for my Cobra. The kit will be delivered in early November so it will be back to Pensacola and happy times for me in a few short weeks.
However, as excited as I will be to spend some quality time with my new best bad habit, given I'm not terribly far away, if you have to yank that puppy out and need some help I'll be happy to run over and give you a hand. As long as you can accept the fact that I'm not very good but I make up for it by being really slow.

[smithbks]

Now that cartoon was funny!!! LOL

I know Steve takes the joking in stride. What you should really worry about is that his build will be better than most of ours! I've seen it in-person. He's doing the Chevy conversion proud. But WE MUST continue to poke at him for it ;)

We're all pulling for you Steve. I wish I could come up with a single idea that might help. This is just a strange issue.

[phileas_fogg]

...I'm not very good but I make up for it by being really slow.

Hey; that's me!

Steve, If you're going to have a problem like this better now and not after paint!


John

[Papa]

Now that cartoon was funny!!! LOL

I know Steve takes the joking in stride. What you should really worry about is that his build will be better than most of ours! I've seen it in-person. He's doing the Chevy conversion proud. But WE MUST continue to poke at him for it ;)

We're all pulling for you Steve. I wish I could come up with a single idea that might help. This is just a strange issue.

If I were in this situation and for whatever reason the block isn't salvageable, I'd be seriously considering an LS replacement.

[frankb]

Steve: Sorry to hear about your troubles, and I'll hold my "Da** Chebby" jabs. Hopefully you won't be replacing the block, but if you do, I agree with the Dart block. They don't get much better!

Frank B

[GoDadGo]

If I were in this situation and for whatever reason the block isn't salvageable, I'd be seriously considering an LS replacement.

Hey Papa,

If I could go with an LS I'd likely write the check, but this ZF-6 Speed can only be linked to a SBC (Gen-1 or Gen-2) or BBC. Since I had to move the motor mounts to make everything fit I'm sort of past the point of no return at this point.

The good thing is that it is a problem that time and money will solve. I just never seem to have both at the same time.

Steve

[GoDadGo]

Hey; that's me!

Steve, If you're going to have a problem like this better now and not after paint!


John

Amen Brother John, Amen!

[GoDadGo]

Now that cartoon was funny!!! LOL

I know Steve takes the joking in stride. What you should really worry about is that his build will be better than most of ours! I've seen it in-person. He's doing the Chevy conversion proud. But WE MUST continue to poke at him for it ;)

We're all pulling for you Steve. I wish I could come up with a single idea that might help. This is just a strange issue.

I Actually Printed A Copy & Have Stuck One Of My PC Monitors At My Desk!

[GoDadGo]

If I've got a hole in the bottom of the water jacket, then we will replace the block with with a Dart mill!
Also, here is what I found last night which after viewing could get real ugly on a stock block.
Any casting imperfections will likely create issues after seeing this video.
Just because you can do something doesn't mean that you should.

https://youtu.be/tzG0RLcxW9I

Thanks for the support and comments and look on the bright side, you guys won't have to race me any time soon.
Just kidding, I'll likely only be racing my brother once I'm finished and hope to do it sooner than later.
Just not sure that my Factory Five will be able to beat his 1999 427 Mecham Trans Am!
It's a beast to say the least.

[Cobradavid]

Steve,

Your perseverance, great attitude and good humor are an inspiration! I know you'll get this issue resolved.

David

[Avalanche325]

Sorry to hear that it is the block.

The DART block should last pretty much forever though.

[GoDadGo]

David,
We all know that the difference between a good day and a bad day is your attitude so what else can I do?

Avalanche,
I'm not 100% sure what the culprit is, but I feel confident that by the end of the weekend I'll know for sure.
If a Dart Block becomes the foundation, then the only OE Chevy part that will be on this car will be the ZF 6-Speed Transmission.
The block is already topped with Dart Heads so they may feel more at home on a Dart Block!

Thanks All!

Steve

[David Hodgkins]

Your attitude is an inspiration. And in reality, the best way to go about a project of this magnitude.

Well done my brother.

:)

[GoDadGo]

It's The Block Gentlemen!

The Water jackets in the bottom of the block were hit and sealed by the builder when he opened things up to clear the rotating assembly.

I didn't do the work so my Former Motor Mentor will be getting a call from me on Monday or Tuesday.

The reason for the delay for my call is because I need to cool my temper a bit and say a prayer for patience.

Have A Great Weekend Gang & Stand At Attention With Your Hand Over Your Heart When Our National Anthem Is Played!

Steve

[adubbelde]

Sorry to hear that Steve. Thanks for your inspiration.

[Jeff Kleiner]

Sorry to hear that Steve. Kinda' blows that he apparently knew that he created a problem and didn't step up :(

Jeff

[GoDadGo]

Sorry to hear that Steve. Kinda' blows that he apparently knew that he created a problem and didn't step up :(

Jeff

If the block wasn't capable of being opened up enough to install this rotating assembly, then he should have said that we needed a new block.
Instead, he put J.B. Weld or some similar product in two spots in the of the block to seal the holes that he had to make to clear the assembly.
Since I've told him about the issue, he's insisted on coming over to put "Bock Sealant" in my engine which was never going to happen.
Liers Lie & Stealers Steal; however, I didn't think he was either so now I know.

I'll Be Ordering A Dart Block On Payday!

Some lessons need to be learned the hard way and the one I keep learning is that putting faith in any person is often unwarranted.

[Szatan5721]

Sorry for your troubles
You have a great attitude though

[scottiec]

Man Steve that is rough to hear. Sorry man

[RoadRacer]

Liers Lie & Stealers Steal; however, I didn't think he was either so now I know.
Some lessons need to be learned the hard way and the one I keep learning is that putting faith in any person is often unwarranted.

Ugh indeed :(


I'll Be Ordering A Dart Block On Payday!.

But here is the silver lining...

[Jim1855]

Steve,
Sorry to hear of your engine problems but as many have said better now or somewhere close to home than cruising a distance away. Had that happen, wasn't any fun and rather expensive. Hope your engine builder can help you out. BTW, I've been a Chevy and Vette fan for years, so no ribbing from me. I will, however, laugh at the cartoons.
Jim

[RickP]

When you get things sorted out Steve, take the old block and place it on his front porch.

[NAZ]

Tough break Steve and I know it hurts all the more knowing that the guy who did the machine work covered his tracks instead of owning the mistake and making it right. Good call on the corrective action -- you will end up with a bulletproof block that should last you a long time and allow you to add power down the road if you choose. You can never have too much horsepower.

[bobl]

Sorry that's what the problem is. But at least you found it early on. No way can you seal a block once you hit water. I ended up buying a new block for my customer when I hit water clearancing it. I made him pay for new rod bolts. The heads on those bolts were absolutely huge. I bet you have a similar set of rod bolts.

[GKindle]

Steve,
Sorry to hear about your engine problems. I know you will get it worked out. As something e who is just starting the build process, it makes me very nervous to read about the unexpected (and probably expensive) surprises. Good luck

[GoDadGo]

Tough break Steve and I know it hurts all the more knowing that the guy who did the machine work covered his tracks instead of owning the mistake and making it right. Good call on the corrective action -- you will end up with a bulletproof block that should last you a long time and allow you to add power down the road if you choose. You can never have too much horsepower.

NAZ,
I've known this fellow and used his machine shop since 1982 and I never had an issue with his work so he was my Go-To-Guy for over 30 years.
That's why I had no issue letting him do the work since I was uncomfortable with doing block clearancing and other more difficult assembly processes associated with building an H-Beam Long Rodded Stroker Motor.
What blew me away was the fact that he attempted to hide his tracks and built the motor when he knew that I needed an aftermarket block to make it all fit.

Factory Five Gang,
I appreciate all of your support and know that soon there will be no Chevy Cobra coming out of my garage.
It Will Be A Dart Cobra Instead!

PS: If any of you have not seen NAZ's build album, then you don't know what you are missing.

[Yama-Bro]

Major bummer! Best of luck with the new block!

[adubbelde]

Pictures please

[Al_C]

One piece of advice I got when I started out was there is nothing you can't fix or re-do on your build. It may cost a little time and (maybe a lot of) money, but you can recover from just about anything. I have a bunch of mistakes hanging from the garage wall. I bet you do, too, but the block might be a bit cumbersome to display. Maybe you can re-purpose it. A planter with 8 daisies? A really big paper weight for really big bank contracts? A boat anchor? I know you'll get pretty creative, Steve!

[Gumball]

This'll all be water under the bridge (sorry for that) once you have one of these sitting in the shop. Well, not exactly one of these - yours will be the Chevy version!!!!

http://i845.photobucket.com/albums/ab15/CCRsAC/Crate_zpsucd5dmar.jpg (http://s845.photobucket.com/user/CCRsAC/media/Crate_zpsucd5dmar.jpg.html)

[Taz Rules]

Sorry to hear of your troubles. Proud of you for pushing through.

To me the worst is not the problem, but the potential loss of a friendship after all those years. Hopefully that doesn't happen, but it's always difficult when mentors become human in our eyes.

[GoDadGo]

Dart Block Ordered!

[Papa]

Dart Block Ordered!

Way to go, Steve!

[RickP]

yeah man!

[KDubU]

Well that sucks Steve about your engine guy but damn a dart block is a nice way to get over it.

[GoDadGo]

Here Is My Final Update To This String!

1. . Last evening I called my Former Motor Mentor / aka: Mr. Boyd Breaux of Slidell Louisiana to discuss the issue with my engine.
2. . I explained to him that I had found the source of the water and that it was coming from the lower water jackets of the block.
3. . I also explained to him how surprised I was when I found J/B Weld or some other substance in two areas different spots.
4. . I advised him that if the block was not capable of handling my H-Beam Rods or if he simply hit a water jacket by accident, then he should have let me know.
5. . For the record, I did explain how disappointed I was especially since he wanted to put block sealer in my engine post water leak.
6. . That action in my mind was his attempt to simply cover and/or hide his tracks.
7. . During the conversation, he was advised that if he had any honor at all, then he would return the funds I paid him to build the engine.
8. . The conversation became tense and I calmly informed him that he had no honor which was sad.
9. . I advised him that I would pray for God to give him some honor and that I was turning him over to God.
10. At this point, I do not expect any return of any funds and I'm not exactly okay with that, but his choices are his and his honor is non-existent.

Shown Below Is The Gentleman Of Whom I Speak In The Attached Picture Between Baby Go-Dad & Yours Truly.


http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=52543&d=1460085283

[CraigS]

Did you pay him w/ a credit card? If so, file a claim.

[Mark Dougherty]

I have been following Steve
sorry to hear of your troubles

[GoDadGo]

CraigS,
I am on the dark side of banking so I'm well versed in collecting and restructuring of bad and/or troubled debt in the Consumer & Commercial Arenas. I also have an abundance of attorneys that will assist me at little or not cost; however, is it worth my trouble?

Mark,
You've helped so many folks get their stalled projects going again and I'm sure have seen many Boo-Boos made by less experienced wrench swingers. My big gripe is the lack of honesty and his willingness to hide his tracks having known this man since I was my son's age.

[Gumball]

Not sure this is the appropriate thing to share here, but a friend of mine once reminded me of two things about people in our car hobby.....

1) All of us car-guys are "users" to some extent. He meant this in a friendly way... i.e., we all look to others to be there whenever we need them.

2) Some people just can't afford integrity. This one was a bit more cynical and, unfortunately, something I've found to be true on more than one occasion.

[GoDadGo]

Not sure this is the appropriate thing to share here, but a friend of mine once reminded me of two things about people in our car hobby.....

1) All of us car-guys are "users" to some extent. He meant this in a friendly way... i.e., we all look to others to be there whenever we need them.

2) Some people just can't afford integrity. This one was a bit more cynical and, unfortunately, something I've found to be true on more than one occasion.


Chris,

Amen!
Can't wait to build the motor myself once the block is in punched .030 over and ready to go.
Integrity is something that you either have or you don't.
Could Not Agree More!

Steve

[PeteH]

Steve,
I have been following this thread and truly am sorry to hear how it is playing out. You are a man of infinite patience and integrity. You are correct that your attitude is everything, and sometimes better to just get on with it rather than dwell on it. Mr. Breaux's reputation is now known in these circles.
You'll have a soundly built screamer when finished, and will sleep well at night knowing what went into it!

[Papa]

Chris,

Amen!
Can't wait to build the motor myself once the block is in punched .030 over and ready to go.
Integrity is something that you either have or you don't.
Could Not Agree More!

Steve

Steve,

Back in my Army days I was taught that Integrity is how a person acts when they know no one is watching. I wonder how your builder would have responded had you been there when the mistake was made?

Dave

[GoDadGo]

Pictures please

I can't post pictures to save my life so I'll be doing a YOUTUBE this weekend and will post it on Sunday.

NOTE: The posting picture thing is NOT a forum problem, but the end user stinks at this stuff.

End User >>---------> Go-Dad-Go / aka: Steve

[RR20AC]

Sorry for your pain, this is suppose to be fun. I personally waited most my life to do this and I guess others are not very supportive.

[RoadRacer]

Steve,

Back in my Army days I was taught that Integrity is how a person acts when they know no one is watching. I wonder how you builder would have responded had you been there when the mistake was made?

Dave

Damn straight. I'm a little jealous though Steve.. when the pain wears off you will be left with a good story and a truly killer motor.

[GoDadGo]

After break in and two oil changes the 35 Go-Kart miles driven were amazing I must admit.

Does anybody know if can get away with I moving the Cam and lifter over in addition to the rotating assembly?
Keeping each lifter with it's corresponding lobe is a must, but is there any concerns with migrating the cam and lifters to a new block?
If we have any master mechanics and/or engine builders that know for sure, then please let me know.
I don't want to be penny wise and pound foolish.
Okay, I'm not British so I'll make the statement penny wise and dollar foolish.

Comp Cams Extreme Energy 284 Hydraulic Flat Tappet.
Duration @ 0.006": 284° / 296°
Duration @ 0.050": 240° / 246°
Max Lift w/ 1.5RR: .507" / .510"
Lobe Separation: 110°
Intake Centerline: 106°

[NAZ]

Steve, as a professional technician and avid hot rodder I've built and repaired lots of engines over the last half-century but can't recall moving a cam to a new block. However, I know enough about cams, lifters, and cam wear in general to state my opinion for what it's worth:

You already mentioned a requirement to keep the lifters with the corresponding lobe. I see no problem moving the valve train as long as you keep the wear surfaces on the cam and lifters matched. The only thing the cam will see is new bearings and that is not a concern. If it was me, I'd have no problem moving the cam and lifters to the new block and I'm as anal about doing things right as you will find.

However, I would not reuse any critical fasteners (head bolts, rod bolts, main cap screws, etc.). As an engineer I have seen way too many failures from reusing fasteners. The first two threads take the majority of the stress and when properly torqued will typically be at or near the plastic phase where permanent deformation occurs. Reusing critical fasteners is an example of dollar foolish. You will find people that claim they always reuse them and never had a problem -- they are rolling the dice. I have literally examined thousands of fasteners and seen many failures so you won't find me reusing critical fasteners.

Have fun, you're taking an interesting detour and will likely learn something new along the way.

[Gromit]

X2 on the fasteners. did a rebuild one time. did not replace the rod bolts. later the oil pan looked like a hand grenade when off inside it. you could look through the oil pan from one side to the other and we found the broken connecting rod on the cross member. looking back over the broken parts it was a rod bolt failure.

An expensive lesson learned that time. please don't repeat my mistake.
Chris AKA Gromit

[Jeff Kleiner]

I'm with NAZ; as long as all wear interfaces stay matched the valvetrain should be happy. Any torque to yield fasteners are one time use.

Jeff

[bobl]

Since you ran the engine for a period of time with the oil contaminated by water, I would be very careful on reusing the cam and lifters. You may have gotten some scoring on the lobes or lifters which will result in a failure down the road. A new flat tappet cam and lifters are pretty cheap in the grand scheme of things. With that said, normally reusing your cam and lifters would be fine as long as they were kept matched up.

Bob

[GoDadGo]

Thanks Gentlemen,

Just wanted you all to know that I talked to Mike Forte as well and he agrees with the consensus but suggested I upgrade to a Roller Cam if I could afford it.
In addition, Mike also agreed that the block should have been discarded and replaced instead of bringing patched with J/B Weld or any product like that.
I may be pulling the engine on Sunday since we'll be Cruising The Coast on Thursday, Friday & Saturday, but it depends on when the Dart Block gets shipped.
If any of you decide to come down for the fun, then please let me know.
Thanks Again For The Assistance & Support!

Steve

[42Bfast]

Steve,
Would love to come help with the pullout but I'm stuck in GA for a few more weeks. So sorry for your disappointment. There are still a lot of good folks out there who do the right thing, every time. It's just difficult to tell the difference sometimes, until they show themselves.
Sorry you found the wrong kind.
Hang in there, this is going to be a fantastic car!!!!!
Mike

[Doutie]

Steve keep your hopes up. As a diesel mechanic the first thing I'd do is pull the pan and pressurize the cooling system. Try to find where the water is coming from.
I've even seen bad timing case or timing case casket. If water is coming from one cyl. then you can narrow your view. Might save one head gasket. Seems to me that if you got into the cooling system while clearancing the block you would have found the problem before this.

[GoDadGo]

Seems to me that if you got into the cooling system while clearancing the block you would have found the problem before this.

Doutie,

This has been a long grueling forum thread so you must have missed the spot where I found the leak.

The fellow that did the work hit two of the water passages in the bottom of the block and then attempted to plug them with J/B Weld, but never told me.

While the J/B Weld worked for a while, he failed to tell me what he had done and insisted that I let me come over to install some "Block Sealant" which would fix my problem.

Thank God I Didn't Because I'm Sure The Block Sealant Would Have Wiped Out My Rotating Assembly, Double Roller Timing Chain, Cam & Lifters Along With The Oil Pump.

Steve

PS: At least it looks like I can salvage these parts.

[Boydster]

Sorry to read about the broken parts and broken trust.

x3 or 4 or whatever. Cam should be fine, keep the lifters in order. Replace the hardware.

[CraigS]

I wouldn't hesitate to re-use cam and lifters because they are easy to examine for damage. A light and maybe even a magnifying glass will tell you whether they have been worn.

[skullandbones]

Hi Steve,

That's the worst "shade tree mechanic" trick I have heard in a long time. I feel for you having followed some of your threads during this build. Like most of us, building your dream car is very personal. Sorry it turned out like this.

I wanted to mention something. Another poster suggested going to an LS as a replacement. It sure would be the way I would go if the budget allows. It is such a good engine especially as a 383 stroker. I'm on a Corvette forum so I hear people raving about them. Since you are in a contemplative state, it's worth considering.

Good luck getting your project back on the road,

WEK

[GoDadGo]

Hi Steve,

I wanted to mention something. Another poster suggested going to an LS as a replacement. It sure would be the way I would go if the budget allows. It is such a good engine especially as a 383 stroker.

WEK

I'm committed to a SBC since the engine mounts have been set up for that power plant.
Also, a new Dart Block is already on order.

Thanks-O-Million For Your Comment!

Steve

[GoDadGo]

1. Hurricane Nate Passed Us Last Weekend So The Replacement Block (Dart SHP) Will Be Delivered Tomorrow!
2. The Chevy Cobra Will Be Brought Back Home From My Brother's Place Too So Hopefully The 2nd Time Will Be A Charm!
3. Hopefully, Sooner Than Later The Chevy Cobra Will Become The Dark Side Dart Cobra & The Testing Can Begin Once More!

[scottiec]

That's great news Steve. Happy to hear. You will have that motor slapped together in no time.

[BEAR-AvHistory]

You get to open the box for an early Christmas.:)

[wallace18]

Glad your getting a replacement. I have had brand new short blocks go bad as well as problems with new long blocks. It is a pain to do everything over but worth it in the long run. Best of luck this time.

[ThickCobra]

Congrats Steve.

[GoDadGo]

Thanks Guys!

[RickP]

Go get em steve

[mburger]

Been following this thread. Glad you're now on the road to getting this whole situation in the rear view mirror. You handled it much better than I would have.

[Fugi]

Seriously, you've been able to maintain your cool to an inspirational level. I'm just beginning my build and can't imagine how disappointed is be after achieving go cart to only end up taking the engine back out. Thanks for showing us all the way to take bad news.
Vince

[GoDadGo]

The block delivery has been delayed to Monday of next week.

[q4stix]

I feel your pain. My entire kit delivery was delayed due to all the hurricanes and shipping backups. I know it'll make for a looooong weekend.

[Garry Bopp]

Well, Steve, it will all come together for you at some point. Hang in there and I'm sure the Chevy Cobra will be an awesome machine. BTW, thanks for the call last week regarding the Cruising the Coast Event. As of now, Factory Five will not be at the Emerald Coast Cruizin so I will pass on that as well.

Garry

[GoDadGo]

Here is the last recorded drive of the Chevy Cobra Go-Kart prior to it springing a leak.

https://youtu.be/PCngiKoopkA

We'll start taking it apart to pull the driveline this weekend.

[RickP]

Here is the last recorded drive of the Chevy Cobra Go-Kart prior to it springing a leak.

https://youtu.be/PCngiKoopkA

We'll start taking it apart to pull the driveline this weekend.


Don't fret Steve, you will overcome. If it makes you feel any better your in good company, my 331 has sprung a leak as well. I'm in my first 200 miles and this issue is a major setback. In a big way! I took on the task of building the motor myself knowing a mistake could be a financial hit but I wanted the satisfaction/knowledge, knowing I built the power plant. I now have the car in the hands of a experienced engine builder and he informed me yesterday the motor needs to come out. Main bearing is shot, head gasket(s) are done, etc. As to the exact root cause of the leak (#3 cylinder flooded with coolant), still is yet to be determined but this guy suspects when I installed the oil pickup I should have bolted it down to the outer 2 bolt main instead of the inner. His words "A big no no". It's never good to hear a guy who has been building race engines for over 50 years say "I've never seen X do that".


I am heading to his shop today to get more detail on his diagnosis and form a plan but I am absolutely sick to my stomach about it. Major setback. In the grand scheme of things, it's all part of the deal. I knew I would make mistakes along the way and I am willing to accept the result. In the end, you will resolve your issue as well as I and the power plants that propel our cars will be stronger and better than ever.


RickP.

[Fugi]

You guys are starting to get me worried. While I hired a professional to rebuild mine, I do take pride in knowing that I took the engine apart (which was not easy. . . for me). However, I'm starting to regret not going with a crate motor. I take my hat off to the real car guys.

[Papa]

Here is the last recorded drive of the Chevy Cobra Go-Kart prior to it springing a leak.

https://youtu.be/PCngiKoopkA

We'll start taking it apart to pull the driveline this weekend.


Don't fret Steve, you will overcome. If it makes you feel any better your in good company, my 331 has sprung a leak as well. I'm in my first 200 miles and this issue is a major setback. In a big way! I took on the task of building the motor myself knowing a mistake could be a financial hit but I wanted the satisfaction/knowledge, knowing I built the power plant. I now have the car in the hands of a experienced engine builder and he informed me yesterday the motor needs to come out. Main bearing is shot, head gasket(s) are done, etc. As to the exact root cause of the leak (#3 cylinder flooded with coolant), still is yet to be determined but this guy suspects when I installed the oil pickup I should have bolted it down to the outer 2 bolt main instead of the inner. His words "A big no no". It's never good to hear a guy who has been building race engines for over 50 years say "I've never seen X do that".


I am heading to his shop today to get more detail on his diagnosis and form a plan but I am absolutely sick to my stomach about it. Major setback. In the grand scheme of things, it's all part of the deal. I knew I would make mistakes along the way and I am willing to accept the result. In the end, you will resolve your issue as well as I and the power plants that propel our cars will be stronger and better than ever.


RickP.


You guys are starting to get me worried. While I hired a professional to rebuild mine, I do take pride in knowing that I took the engine apart (which was not easy. . . for me). However, I'm starting to regret not going with a crate motor. I take my hat off to the real car guys.

Steve & Rick,

I can't even imagine how devastated I'd be in your situations. Building one of these cars is a labor of love and passion and to have such a major mile stone achieved and then taken away has to be tough. You are both dealing with it way better than I would be. Honestly, if it were me I'd likely be considering aborting the entire project and buying a Porsche.

Fugi,

When I started planning my build I knew there was no way I was going to try to build the engine, trans, rear end. I definitely like a challenge, but with the precise tolerances needed to have the desired performance I had in mind, a crate package was my only option. I looked at the cost of my chosen package and then thought about how expensive it could get if I made a 1/1000th of an inch error and that sealed it for me. Someday I'd still like to learn how to build an engine, but it will be in a $3,000 beater that I can give my grandsons someday, not for my roadster.

[RickP]

I really can't think of a good way to put positive spin on it other than, "good thing to find out now, rather then later".......not really! Hey, at least she stops real good! :(

[GoDadGo]

Honestly, if it were me I'd likely be considering aborting the entire project and buying a Porsche.

.

It Now Has Become A Quest For I Seek The Grail!

https://youtu.be/pWS8Mg-JWSg

We all know this truth to be self evident for we are the chosen few who dare build our own cars!

[GoDadGo]

Okay, the new Dart SHP Block Really, Really, Really is supposed to show up tomorrow afternoon!

[42Bfast]

"And here is a signed statement that I won't pull the ball away when you try to kick it Charle Brown." Signed Lucy :-)

Keeping fingers crossed your "football" doesn't get snatched away again!

[GoDadGo]

Hey Gang,

> The Eagle has landed or at least my new Dart SHP Block is in the workshop as of this evening.
> With said it is time to pull the engine and transmission so that i can disassemble the engine.
> Shown below is the latest update from the Dark Side Dart Cobra Cave @ Camp Go-Dad-Go:

https://youtu.be/IGYtX-3p7xk

Steve

[Papa]

Hey Gang,

> The Eagle has landed or at least my new Dart SHP Block is in the workshop as of this evening.
> With said it is time to pull the engine and transmission so that i can disassemble the engine.
> Shown below is the latest update from the Dark Side Dart Cobra Cave @ Camp Go-Dad-Go:

https://youtu.be/IGYtX-3p7xk

Steve

Congrats, Steve.

[Fugi]

I'm sure you will have it back together and running better than ever in what you will look back on as a blink . . . well maybe more than a blink, but certainly much less time than it took the first time. The water line marks from the barious hurricanes are incredible. Now we know why you can stay so positive, having been through that (twice) a blown engine ain't nothing but a thing. Congrats

[mcwho]

Sorry to hear about your problem, my stomach would sink if this happened to me as I dont have a machine shop in my back pocket. Is the "clearancing" performed on any stroker? I think the answer is YES !!!

Reason I ask is I have a ford 331 stroker made from a 302 block.

[1932]

OK steve, now get to the parts! You will have fun with the DART.

[GoDadGo]

Sorry to hear about your problem, my stomach would sink if this happened to me as I dont have a machine shop in my back pocket. Is the "clearancing" performed on any stroker? I think the answer is YES !!!

Reason I ask is I have a ford 331 stroker made from a 302 block.

Hey Bob,

I'm not familiar with the bottom end of any Ford, but "Good Engine Builders" clearance blocks all the time.

My engine was already a 383 stroker, but had a cast externally balanced crank with the very weak 5.556" stock chevy 400 rods from the 1970's, hence the reason why I wanted to upgrade the assembly to all forged parts that were internally balanced.

In my application, I knew that going with the 6.0" H-Beam Rods was going to create some issues so I turned to the fellow that had been doing my machine work for over 30 years.

If the gentleman, and I used the term loosely, would have told me when he hit the 1st water jacket, then he would have shown himself to be an honorable man; however, since he tried to hide his tracks on more than several occasions his lack of honor was exposed.

Our Takeaway From My Misfortune Is To Always Be Honorable Men!

Steve

[weendoggy]

Reason I ask is I have a ford 331 stroker made from a 302 block.

The SBF (302) block isn't "clearance'd" for a 331 like a 347 would be.

[rich grsc]

The SBF (302) block isn't "clearance'd" for a 331 like a 347 would be.

Mine was. A few minutes with a die grinder to prevent possible disaster. A Ford block doesn't have the issue with hitting a water jacket.

[GoDadGo]

Weendoggy & Rich GRSC,

Glad you guys could put Bob's (McWho) mind at ease.

Steve

[Jeff Kleiner]

...A Ford block doesn't have the issue with hitting a water jacket.

Ooooooh, was that a low blow and carefully crafted thinly veiled jab at the Chevy from Rich ;)

Jeff

[weendoggy]

Weendoggy & Rich GRSC,

Glad you guys could put Bob's (McWho) mind at ease.

Steve

A 347 yes, block has to be "clearanced" but a 331 doesn't. Not sure if it puts his mind at ease, but I've been running my 331 (non-clearanced) for six years without issues, other than wanting more power. :) I see a 363 dart in the future.

[Megascott]

Dad, sorry about the problems with your engine. I'm sure you luck will turn around, sounds like plenty of people are willing to help out, and certainly if you were in My neighborhood I'd be doing the same.

I've used this https://www.summitracing.com/oh/search/product-line/hard-blok-engine-block-filler to prevent leaks on an 0.060 over 289 with a leaky sleeve. It never leaked again and it's supposed to strengthen the block. regardless, it saved me a little money, since I had already bought the pistons and machine work for that overbore.

Anyway, I built a SBF 331 for my F5 which needed slight clearancing using H beam rods in an early 302 block, YMMV on the clearancing of blocks.

Now days with the prolific use of stroker kits, rod clearance always needs to be checked, which requires one extra step to mockup the assembly before final cleaning and assembly.

Good luck!

Scott

[GoDadGo]

Dad, sorry about the problems with your engine. I'm sure you luck will turn around, sounds like plenty of people are willing to help out, and certainly if you were in My neighborhood I'd be doing the same.

I've used this https://www.summitracing.com/oh/search/product-line/hard-blok-engine-block-filler to prevent leaks on an 0.060 over 289 with a leaky sleeve. It never leaked again and it's supposed to strengthen the block. regardless, it saved me a little money, since I had already bought the pistons and machine work for that overbore.

Anyway, I built a SBF 331 for my F5 which needed slight clearancing using H beam rods in an early 302 block, YMMV on the clearancing of blocks.

Now days with the prolific use of stroker kits, rod clearance always needs to be checked, which requires one extra step to mockup the assembly before final cleaning and assembly.

Good luck!

Scott

The new block (Dart SHP) came in earlier this week so now I waiting on my new roller cam and push rod set up to come in.

https://youtu.be/IGYtX-3p7xk

Since I'm spending money, I may as well upgrade and make a few more ponies.

[NAZ]

"Since I'm spending money, I may as well upgrade and make a few more ponies."

That sentence resonates with all us overachiever hot rodder types. That might even be the tag line for my build or maybe "if more is good much more has to be better".

Rock on GDG, the car is looking' great!

[GoDadGo]

"Since I'm spending money, I may as well upgrade and make a few more ponies."

That sentence resonates with all us overachiever hot rodder types. That might even be the tag line for my build or maybe "if more is good much more has to be better".

Rock on GDG, the car is looking' great!

Never thought of it that way, but it is a quotable quote which does explain how we Hod Rodders are wired.

I personally like your quote better than mine.

[42Bfast]

"Money can't buy happiness.
But,....it can buy horsepower,....and that's pretty much the same thing!"

Words relayed to me by an old sage gearhead.

[boat737]

If it's worth doing, it's worth over-doing.

[GoDadGo]

Hey Gang,

Our Beloved U.P.S. Man Showed Up With The Rest Of My Parts!
That means we pull everything apart this weekend.
Then it is off to the machine shop.

Steve

[phileas_fogg]

Hey Gang,

Our Beloved U.P.S. Man Showed Up With The Rest Of My Parts!
That means we pull everything apart this weekend.
Then it is off to the machine shop.

Steve

Congratulations Steve!

I, for one, am looking forward to LOTS of pictures & the more-than-occasional video.


John

[GoDadGo]

Congratulations Steve!

I, for one, am looking forward to LOTS of pictures & the more-than-occasional video.


John

I'm so looooow tech that I always screw up the photos; however, I am going to do more YOUTUBE videos.

Sorry John!

[CraigS]

Try Flickr for pictures. It took me a few tries but now I can take a cell phone pic and have it on here in about 4 minutes. I also understand that this forum's picture uploading process works pretty well. I use Flickr because this isn't the only forum I post on and it can be used anywhere.

[GoDadGo]

Hope This Sucker Comes Out As Easy As It Went In!

Engine Installation:
https://youtu.be/3f1Q4aS5SG4

Last Documented Drive:
https://youtu.be/PCngiKoopkA

What She Looks Like Today:
https://youtu.be/IGYtX-3p7xk

Wish Me Luck Gents, This Wrench Swinging Banker Is Going To Need It!

[GoDadGo]

Hey Gang,

My pals Donny, Dave & Marius dropped by to keep me from boogering up any more fingers so without any drama, we pulled the engine and transmission today.

https://youtu.be/Vhbftk4AP4k

Marius got his first ride in a Factory Five and now wants to build either a 33 Hot Rod or 35 Truck.

Steve

[smithbks]

I knew he would be hooked if he got in one!

[scottiec]

That looks way more convenient than an engine hoist. Best of luck getting this thing together Steve!!

[GoDadGo]

That looks way more convenient than an engine hoist. Best of luck getting this thing together Steve!!

I do find it easier than using a regular engine hoist.
Also, I plan to install an overhead I-Beam with traveler like my brother has so that the car does not have to move when pulling an engine.
Just know that most homes are NOT designed to pull engines from the garage ceiling.

[mcwho]

The thought of pulling the engine and tranny out with the body on and freshly painted makes me nauseous. I hope you have a one time fix and a good outcome with that chevy engine. I am 19 years older than you and would need lots of "friends" to help me with that kind of task.

[Al_C]

Hey Gang,

My pals Donny, Dave & Marius dropped by to keep me from boogering up any more fingers so without any drama, we pulled the engine and transmission today.

https://youtu.be/Vhbftk4AP4k

Marius got his first ride in a Factory Five and now wants to build either a 33 Hot Rod or 35 Truck.

Steve

You guys made it look pretty easy! I hope the reassembly goes well, too!

[GoDadGo]

Hey Gang,

The new Dart SHP block is getting punched to 4.030" on Friday!
After some consideration, we are probably going with a proper road racing style oil pan designed for the SHP block.
The fancy pan is from Milodon, part number 31506.

http://www.milodon.com/2012-Milodon-Catalog/Road%20Race%20Oil%20Pans.pdf

I can't see cutting corners, since I want to carve corners, and oil is life's blood for all engines so it's time to pony up the money.
The factor to spend the extra cash was related to an earlier thread about oil pans so what the heck, let's get a better pan.
Besides, I've had a taste of 1/2 throttle Go-Kart Tire Spin and my old daily driver just can't cut the mustard like the MK-4.

https://youtu.be/PCngiKoopkA

Steve

[NAZ]

I've had a taste of 1/2 throttle Go-Kart Tire Spin and my old daily driver just can't cut the mustard like the MK-4.


Made me laugh. The first thing I did once my chassis was assembled and at the go-cart stage is set the line lock and burn down the shop with tire smoke until my wife came out to ask me "how old are you?".

[RoadRacer]

I can't see cutting corners, since I want to carve corners, and oil is life's blood for all engines so it's time to pony up the money.
Steve

I was lucky enough to go full dry sump on my last 383.. money was less of a thing back then :) Man, that was nice to run 15L of oil, dual remote filters and go as fast as you want on the track without a care..

[Papa]

Hey Gang,

The new Dart SHP block is getting punched to 4.030" on Friday!
After some consideration, we are probably going with a proper road racing style oil pan designed for the SHP block.
The fancy pan is from Milodon, part number 31506.

http://www.milodon.com/2012-Milodon-Catalog/Road%20Race%20Oil%20Pans.pdf

I can't see cutting corners, since I want to carve corners, and oil is life's blood for all engines so it's time to pony up the money.
The factor to spend the extra cash was related to an earlier thread about oil pans so what the heck, let's get a better pan.
Besides, I've had a taste of 1/2 throttle Go-Kart Tire Spin and my old daily driver just can't cut the mustard like the MK-4.

https://youtu.be/PCngiKoopkA

Steve

Steve,

That's the same style pan that came on my engine. It sits at the perfect height with nothing hanging below the frame rails. Good choice!

Dave

[GoDadGo]

The Naz Man,
Being young at heart to me means that you can burn rubber at any age.
My street in front of my house wears many black racing stripes and all are welcome to leave their mark.

Da Road Racer,
You've got me thinking about adding an oil accumulator since I'm running a sandwich adapter for my oil temp gauges.
I've got an extra port that could be used to link in a 1 quart accumulator which could be a nice add on so: What-Cha-Think?

Papa Dave
When we set the engine we took great care to make sure that neither the pan nor the transmission hung below the frame rails.
Now I just need to find the perfect pan, so a little more homework is needed before I pull that trigger.
Dart strongly recommends running a standard volume & pressure SBC (Mellings-55) pump, but I'm already running a BBC (Mellings-77).
They said that their "Bottom Up Primary Oiling" is more efficient that the standard SBC "Top Down / Camshaft First" layout.

Hummmmmmm!

[NAZ]

Steve, I was thinking the same thing about that extra port on my sandwich adapter but thinking it would be good to have a 12VDC N/C valve that would keep oil under pressure captured in the accumulator when you shutoff the ignition switch. That will act as a pre-oiler when you turn the switch back on to start the car and as a normal reserve when the engine is running like they were designed for. If you add an accumulator, let us know how it works out.

[RoadRacer]

As NAZ says, go for the accumulator!

Even with dry sump it always bothered me that the engine still starts starved of oil. I lusted after an electric oil pump so I could prime the engine first, but the pressurized accumulator idea sounds cool.

[GoDadGo]

Hey Gents,

Check out this pan and tell me what you think:

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mil-31502

It's a Circle Track "Claimer" pan that looks like a oil stock pan.

It is designed for the Dart SHP Block, clears my Crank & H-beam Rods, seems to have good baffling, is shallow enough to be above the frame rails, plus holds 5 quarts of Erral, 6 PH-5 truck filter.

Steve

NOTE: "Erral" is how some fellows that live up in the North think we Southern Gentlemen pronounce "Oil"

[mike223]

Never put a circle track pan on a road race car.

Never put a "claimer pan" on an engine that's not subject to being claimed.


JMHO

[GoDadGo]

Never put a circle track pan on a road race car.

Never put a "claimer pan" on an engine that's not subject to being claimed.


JMHO

Mike,

Did you look at the 360 degree view of the pan?

Steve

[TexasAviator]

i know you are trying to do an oil pan for your chevy but I am in the same boat on my ford. I am now trying to find a baffled pan so I dont have to concern myself anymore with the stock pickup and stock pan. I am trying to figure and justifly the cost and modifications so that I can get my engine together and on the dyno. I am now thinking I am going with the kevko pans as they are affordable and a true road race pan.

[NAZ]

https://www.summitracing.com/search?SortBy=BestKeywordMatch&SortOrder=Ascending&keyword=CTR-15-250T

Here's the one I'm using. Yep, they're proud of em -- just look at that price. But well made with baffling and trap doors to keep the oil around the pickup. Made for stroker motors like the 383 SBC, my sandwich oil cooler adapter fits and it's roughly the same depth as a stock pan (does not hang below my frame and the stock dipstick works). The extra capacity comes from the side wings. Made for carving corners not cutting costs but another option to look at if concerned about oil starvation when taking those highway on ramps at warp speed.

[GoDadGo]

i know you are trying to do an oil pan for your Chevy but I am in the same boat on my Ford. I am now trying to find a baffled pan so I dont have to concern myself anymore with the stock pickup and stock pan. I am trying to figure and justifly the cost and modifications so that I can get my engine together and on the dyno. I am now thinking I am going with the kevko pans as they are affordable and a true road race pan.

The big issue for me is the SHP block has a right hand dipstic and two piece rear seal so pan options are reduced.
Then there's the clearance issues where my pan cannot exceed 8" in depth, but most go a tad lower.
This one is a tad shallower, plus has an extended windage tray plus a slosh baffle below it like their stock replacement pan.
While a Milodon stock preplacement pan will work, the baffling is limited.
I'll check out Kevko to see what options they may have for a Dart SHP SBC.

[GoDadGo]

https://www.summitracing.com/search?SortBy=BestKeywordMatch&SortOrder=Ascending&keyword=CTR-15-250T

Here's the one I'm using. Yep, they're proud of em -- just look at that price. But well made with baffling and trap doors to keep the oil around the pickup. Made for stroker motors like the 383 SBC, my sandwich oil cooler adapter fits and it's roughly the same depth as a stock pan (does not hang below my frame and the stock dipstick works). The extra capacity comes from the side wings. Made for carving corners not cutting costs but another option to look at if concerned about oil starvation when taking those highway on ramps at warp speed.

They've got one that works with the two piece seal.

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/ctr-15-244m

Looks like another viable option for sure.

[mike223]

Mike,

Did you look at the 360 degree view of the pan?

Steve


Steve,

The passenger side cutout for the pickup makes me a little nervous for (hard) right hand turns.

There are many variables...

Good luck,

Mike

[Papa]

NOTE: "Erral" is how some fellows that live up in the North think we Southern Gentlemen pronounce "Oil"

Steve,

I thought you guys down south pronounced oil as "ohl"? Maybe that's just the guys from South Carolina.

Dave

[GoDadGo]

Steve,

The passenger side cutout for the pickup makes me a little nervous for (hard) right hand turns.

There are many variables...

Good luck,

Mike

Mike,

The Milodon 31502 doesn't have a side kick outs since it is intended for Hobby racers.

http://www.jegs.com/i/Milodon/697/31502/10002/-1

I will be using a center style pick up, not the one that sets back in the right rear of the pan.

Thanks!

[GoDadGo]

Steve,

I thought you guys down south pronounced oil as "ohl"? Maybe that's just the guys from South Carolina.

Dave

Love It & You Know I've Got To Say Something Stupid To Lighten The Mood Of This Thread!
Good luck on your build and can't wait to see your report on your 1st start.
Know that when you get to drive it for the 1st time you will be amazed.

[GoDadGo]

We pulled the engine apart today so we are heading to the Machine Shop tomorrow morning.

The Chevy Cobra Is No More, But Will Be Resurrected As The Dark Side Dart Cobra Soon!

Heck, I'm thinking about putting Vintage Mopar DART emblems on the side of the car or maybe the 383 Four Barrel fender emblems from the same era.

Might be a perfect fit where the Powered By Ford Emblems are supposed to go above the louvers so these alternate emblems might just work since both will be true.

Dart Emblem
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/dcc-3505419

383 Four Barrell Emblem
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/oer-2579804

Hummmmmmm?

[wareaglescott]

I like the idea of some alternate emblems.
Check out billet badges.com They can custom make you any fender badge with whatever unique combination you want on it.

[Bobby Doug]

We pulled the engine apart today so we are heading to the Machine Shop tomorrow morning.

The Chevy Cobra Is No More, But Will Be Resurrected As The Dark Side Dart Cobra Soon!

Heck, I'm thinking about putting Vintage Mopar DART emblems on the side of the car or maybe the 383 Four Barrel fender emblems from the same era.

Might be a perfect fit where the Powered By Ford Emblems are supposed to go above the louvers so these alternate emblems might just work since both will be true.

Dart Emblem
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/dcc-3505419

383 Four Barrell Emblem
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/oer-2579804

Hummmmmmm?
First you upset the Ford gods with one “those” engines in the Cobra. Now, you want to upset the Mopar gods by using their emblems to identify one of “those” engines. You must have balls the size of watermelons. You are really wanting to play with Karma once you get your car on the road. More power to you.��

[NAZ]

Very clever badging Steve. Now adding custom engraved valve covers to that combo embossed with "Cobra Killer" would really stoke the flames.

[GoDadGo]

First you upset the Ford gods with one “those” engines in the Cobra. Now, you want to upset the Mopar gods by using their emblems to identify one of “those” engines. You must have balls the size of watermelons. You are really wanting to play with Karma once you get your car on the road. More power to you.��

Aint Life Grand When You Think Outside The Box?

The Glove Box That Is!

Steve

[edwardb]

Congrats on the milestone and good luck getting it put back together. Dart is a local company here in SE Michigan and have nice stuff. Loved the Dart block I had in #7750, although one of those strange Ford variants. :rolleyes:

I had badges made for that build by Billetbadges, as Scott suggested. Turned out great. First pic is the artwork they completed, second is the final product.

http://i867.photobucket.com/albums/ab234/edwardb123/Factory%20Five%20Mark%204%20Roadster%20Build/Update%2008152014/Billet_Badge_Final_zpscf759617.jpg (http://s867.photobucket.com/user/edwardb123/media/Factory%20Five%20Mark%204%20Roadster%20Build/Update%2008152014/Billet_Badge_Final_zpscf759617.jpg.html)

http://i867.photobucket.com/albums/ab234/edwardb123/Factory%20Five%20Mark%204%20Roadster%20Build/Update%2008152014/IMG_2687_zpsc31cb647.jpg (http://s867.photobucket.com/user/edwardb123/media/Factory%20Five%20Mark%204%20Roadster%20Build/Update%2008152014/IMG_2687_zpsc31cb647.jpg.html)

Looked great on the Roadster in the traditional badge location.

http://i867.photobucket.com/albums/ab234/edwardb123/Factory%20Five%20Mark%204%20Roadster%20Build/Completed/IMG_3023_zps29af92ef.jpg (http://s867.photobucket.com/user/edwardb123/media/Factory%20Five%20Mark%204%20Roadster%20Build/Completed/IMG_3023_zps29af92ef.jpg.html)

[GoDadGo]

Congrats on the milestone and good luck getting it put back together. Dart is a local company here in SE Michigan and have nice stuff. Loved the Dart block I had in #7750, although one of those strange Ford variants. :rolleyes:

I had badges made for that build by Billetbadges, as Scott suggested. Turned out great. First pic is the artwork they completed, second is the final product.

http://i867.photobucket.com/albums/ab234/edwardb123/Factory%20Five%20Mark%204%20Roadster%20Build/Update%2008152014/Billet_Badge_Final_zpscf759617.jpg (http://s867.photobucket.com/user/edwardb123/media/Factory%20Five%20Mark%204%20Roadster%20Build/Update%2008152014/Billet_Badge_Final_zpscf759617.jpg.html)

http://i867.photobucket.com/albums/ab234/edwardb123/Factory%20Five%20Mark%204%20Roadster%20Build/Update%2008152014/IMG_2687_zpsc31cb647.jpg (http://s867.photobucket.com/user/edwardb123/media/Factory%20Five%20Mark%204%20Roadster%20Build/Update%2008152014/IMG_2687_zpsc31cb647.jpg.html)

Do you mind if I borrow your design?
Those Are Perfect!

[edwardb]

Do you mind if I borrow your design?
Those Are Perfect!

By all means. Use them! If you show the picture to Billetbadges, I bet they still have the artwork on file. Would save you some $$ and probably some time. Worth asking about.

[GoDadGo]

By all means. Use them! If you show the picture to Billetbadges, I bet they still have the artwork on file. Would save you some $$ and probably some time. Worth asking about.


Thanks Paul!

[phileas_fogg]

First you upset the Ford gods with one “those” engines in the Cobra. Now, you want to upset the Mopar gods by using their emblems to identify one of “those” engines. You must have balls the size of watermelons. You are really wanting to play with Karma once you get your car on the road. More power to you.��

That's funny right there!

[GoDadGo]

We dropped everything off at Ebert's Engines this morning so hopefully we will be running again before Christmas.
For the record, the owner was less than thrilled when he saw the block clearance work/debacle that done by my former motor mentor.

Ebert's Engine Service
Telephone (985) 726-0100
60077 Highway 11,
Slidell, LA 70458

Brian & his son Josh do all of the machining work themselves and are a full-service machine shop.
I personally think it is great that his only son is his very capable apprentice.

Steve

[NAZ]

Sounds like you're well under way. You'll have some time to look through all those catalogs you've been collecting and think of all the cool stuff you could install on that engine once its back home.

[GoDadGo]

Sounds like you're well under way. You'll have some time to look through all those catalogs you've been collecting and think of all the cool stuff you could install on that engine once its back home.

Naz,

I truly can't wait to get my 2nd, 1st Go-Kart drive.

https://youtu.be/BcsVu80VG5k

Still blows my mind that I'm having to replace the block.

Steve

[GoDadGo]

The Milodon "Claimer" Oil Pan Came In Today!

http://www.jegs.com/i/Milodon/697/31502/10002/-1

While this pan is identical to the "Stock Replacement Pan" that I previously purchased, it has a double baffle in the bottom and full-length windage train.
Total capacity will 6 quarts with the PH-5 Fram filter and sandwich adapter used for my oil temperature sender.
We're using a center style "Stock Location" pick up so it should work well for my needs.
I'm still thinking about adding a 1-quart accumulator; however, I doubt it at this point.
This block replacement is wearing on my nerves and my wallet.

[first time builder]

IF your going to use a FRAM filter PLEASE use the HP.

[NAZ]

Do some research on oil filters and I think you'll pass on the Fram filters. Filters are not all equal in performance and price is no guarantee so buying the most expensive filter on the shelf may be no better than a Fram.

[TexasAviator]

What is it with forums and the age old "oil filter and oil xxx is better than yours." Pops up In just about every thread.

That being said. I use wix and amsoil...

[GoDadGo]

What is it with forums and the age old "oil filter and oil xxx is better than yours." Pops up In just about every thread.

That being said. I use wix and amsoil...

Ironically I do use Amsoil in my Meanstreak and the bikes that I previously owned.
Never really thought about it for the cars.
Hummmmmm?

[TexasAviator]

I have high zinc 30 weight going in for breaking in the engine.

https://www.amsoil.com/shop/by-product/motor-oil/gasoline/?filters=88

[GoDadGo]

Trying to stay positive is really starting to become a pain in the "You Pick The Body Part!"

I plan to call the machine shop next week to see where I am in their work queue.

To say the least, I'm wondering why I even wanted to build a Cobra in the first place.

Oh yeah, I remember, it was that darn movie from 1976 "The Gumball Rally" that started my infatuation with the 427 Shelby Cobra when I was at the ripe old age of 13.

[NAZ]

Go back and review your go-cart videos -- that should help. At least you'll have good driving weather once the engine is back in the car for some immediate smoke filled gratification. Some of us are putting the toys back in the toy box for winter and won't be able to play with them until the spring thaw next year.

[Cobradavid]

Hang in there, Steve! You'll have your dream cobra finished and on the road soon and the hiccups you experienced along the way will be forgotten.

David

[Vette1972]

Steve,
Perseverance and determination are omnipotent! You have both in abundance. Stay the course! All the best.

Len

[cgundermann]

Trying to stay positive is really starting to become a pain in the "You Pick The Body Part!"

I plan to call the machine shop next week to see where I am in their work queue.

To say the least, I'm wondering why I even wanted to build a Cobra in the first place.

Oh yeah, I remember, it was that darn movie from 1976 "The Gumball Rally" that started my infatuation with the 427 Shelby Cobra when I was at the ripe old age of 13.

Too funny - that was also it for me! Hang in there, every time I hit a SNAFU - I would think of that movie...

Chris

[KDubU]

Steve, you gonna let this defeat you??? Come on you're really close. Time to get mean. Life throws you a curve ball, you through a knuckler right back. Your roadster will be awesome once done.

[CraigS]

Just think, you could be living up north and putting your car into a 5 month hibernation. You will be driving yours in way less than 5 months.

[wareaglescott]

Steve
You are one of the most encouraging guys to everyone else on the forum. I regularly get good laughs from your posts. Keep that positive attitude up. It will all be worth it in the end and your pride in overcoming the obstacles will be that much greater! Hope you and your family have a great Thanksgiving!

[dallas_]

Steve,
I just ran across this thread. Sounds like you are getting close. Love your positive attitude. Many of us have had challenges and setbacks but, when it's all done and you're cruising down the road in the car that YOU built, for some reason the harder it was and the more setbacks you had, the more rewarding and satisfying it is.
John

[42Bfast]

Steve,

Big echos singing appreciation for your positive attitude and encouragement you provide to all on this forum. Building a car while managing all of the other demands on our lives is a challenge. You do it well, with humor and respect to all. You are one of the examples of the professionalism of this community.

With that said, these builds, and cars, are not just a challenge to our problem solving skills, or a feed for the desire, nay, "need", to build with our hands, they are an emotional attachment and journey. By nature, the emotional attachments in our lives leave us vulnerable to forces outside our control. An uncomfortable situation for many of us. Thus, when we experience the setbacks and challenges, it is an uncomfortable reminder of our true lack of control. However it is also an opportunity to dig in and push forward. Hang in there! You'll finish this thing,....and what a car, and accomplishment you will have!

To steal a line from the movie, (Gumball is one of my forever faves as well), as Raul Julia states when he first slides into the drivers seat and snaps off the rear view mirror, "What's behind me is not important!"

Go for it dude! Drop a gear, hit the throttle, and accelerate out of the curve!

[GoDadGo]

Thanks Gents,

I just need to start making forward progress on this project again to get my head back in the game.

Lost a ton of time when my daily driver blew out the number 8 plug and I had to fix it:
https://youtu.be/svZX2BMSDEs

Lost even more time when I "Boogered Up My Left Hand" on April 23rd (really mangled pinkie "MIA" along with my ring and social finger) so my pals came in to do the 1st start on June 17th:
https://youtu.be/p-pvogd2Bj8

I couldn't really steer the darn thing, nor could I hold a wrench, toothbrush, nor write so I didn't do any real go-karting testing until the middle of September because the hand was still problematic:
https://youtu.be/PCngiKoopkA

The bottom line is that this car is eating up time and money. What makes matters worse that is my entire professional life has revolved around helping people restructure their troubled debts, both personal, business and large commercial, so it is tough for me to dig a financial hole for my family. 35 years of helping folks fill their own financial holes weighs heavily on digging one for myself.

Thanks Again Gents & I Will Keep You All Posted As I'm Sure I'll Be Running Again Before Christmas!

Steve

NOTE: If I decide to sell it, then you guys will be the 1st to know, but it will get finished (minus paint) before I make a decision this spring.

[bobl]

Just keep in mind that your finished product will have a good value, hence the ability to recover a large portion of money you have spent. So it is not just wasted. You're really just putting your money into a different investment. Might be better than the stock market. You never know. At least that's what I keep telling myself. You could have just gone out and bought a new car and in 3 years lost 30k on it. My friend bought a ZR1 Corvette a few years ago for 100k, thinking it was a good investment. He was afraid to drive it much because the mileage would hurt the value. Well, he just sold it for 65k!

Get that thing finished and start enjoying the lifestyle and friendships that goes with it! It's not a car, it's an adventure! When things go wrong it's not a problem, but an opportunity! You've had a lot of opportunities...Good luck.

Bob

[DaveS53]

Anyone who buys a new car as an investment is an idiot. They all depreciate to half of their original value in 3-6 years, even if driven little.

A fiberglass bodied, home built car could rarely be sold for the price of parts. You might get 75% but still lose however many thousands of hours it took to build it. If you pay $10-15K for paint and body work, most of that won't be recovered either.

Just plan on using the car enough to enjoy it.

[bobl]

Anyone who buys a new car as an investment is an idiot. They all depreciate to half of their original value in 3-6 years, even if driven little.

A fiberglass bodied, home built car could rarely be sold for the price of parts. You might get 75% but still lose however many thousands of hours it took to build it. If you pay $10-15K for paint and body work, most of that won't be recovered either.

Just plan on using the car enough to enjoy it.

Just trying to offer some encouragement!
You obviously did not get the point I was trying to make. No need to call anyone idiots. Most people cannot build a car, so they buy them. If you do the labor yourself and spend wisely you can recover most of the dollar investment if you need to sell. Unlike buying a new vehicle where you lose 20-30% the minute you sign the papers. The build is an adventure and many of us enjoy that as much as driving the cars, plus the pride of accomplishment. If I can build one for let's say 40k, drive it for 5-10 years and sell it for 30k+ then I believe that's pretty good bang for your buck.

[srobinsonx2]

A big strong Louisiana boy isn't going to let a little bump in the road stop him. You got this Steve.

[mike223]

My friend bought a ZR1 Corvette a few years ago for 100k, thinking it was a good investment. He was afraid to drive it much because the mileage would hurt the value. Well, he just sold it for 65k!



He actually got lucky to get out of it that well.


A few years ago, I tried to convince a friend (an older friend) to by a nice C2 Corvette, instead of a new Corvette (he had the cash to go either way).

He was convinced, but his wife wanted something "new".


You can lead them to water, but sometimes you can't make them drink...

[GoDadGo]

Gentlemen,

I appreciate the support and please know that this car will be on the road sometime in the spring of 2018.
The good news is that since my goal was to have form follow function I find that the car is pretty easy to service.
With that said popping the engine and transmission in and out is easier than most builds because of the driveline location.

Pre-Start Overview:
https://youtu.be/_wnHDNgnNqs

Engine Pull Video:
https://youtu.be/Vhbftk4AP4k

Again, thanks for the encouragement and who knows, maybe I'll strip the old C-4 down after the MK-4 is completed to do future Factory Five Truck project with Baby Go-Dad.

Steve

[turbonut48]

Come on GoDadGo, I m on pins and noodles waiting for the diagnosis.

The Nut

[GoDadGo]

Come on GoDadGo, I m on pins and noodles waiting for the diagnosis.

The Nut

You must have missed the diagnosis since this thread is almost as long as Father Time's Calendar:

1. The engine builder hit two water jackets when he was clearancing the block for to accept the stroker rotating assembly.
2. He never told me that he screwed up my block and did his best to hide his tracks using some JB-Weld to plug the holes.
3. Now I'm replacing the block with a new Dart SHP Mill and upgrading the cam to a roller set up in the process.

Thanks For Dropping In & We'll Leave The Light On For You!

Steve

Dart Block Delivery Day Video:
https://youtu.be/IGYtX-3p7xk

[Itchief]

Steve

If the engine builder does quality work I’m sure he has plenty of work to keep him busy

I would want him to take his time and do his best work on the motor

When I had mine painted it took the shop almost 4 months to do the body and painting I really wanted to say something about three months into the process but decided to bite my tongue and just be nice

I ended up with a very good paint job at a good price it took longer than I wanted but in the end it was worth the time

The painter told me after the job was completed he would never do another one like mine he just wanted to try and help me get the car completed

So hang in there everything will work out in the long run and you will have something you can be proud of

Rick

[GoDadGo]

Steve

If the engine builder does quality work I’m sure he has plenty of work to keep him busy

I would want him to take his time and do his best work on the motor.

WRick

Rick,

The new builder does have a lot of work and has stated that 50% of his business is reworking screw-ups from other shops.
Ironically the new fellow did work for my "Former Motor Mentor" when he was a young apprentice machinist.
He stated that he learned one thing from that fellow way back in the day and that was "What NOT To Do!"
In addition, I am impressed that his son works with him which speaks volumes to me as a Dad.

Steve

PS: Today & tomorrow, I'm working on a few small items that have been bugging me in an attempt to make this car even easier to service.

[GoDadGo]

Installed the seats today using the brackets that I purchased from Mark Reynolds at Breeze Automotive.
They fit well, work well, and yield enough adjustability for my wife (5'2") our son (5'8") and yours truly (5'10") to drive.
The best reason to get these brackets is because they give you the perfect amount of lean making the seats extremely comfortable.
While they are not easy to adjust as they are fixed mounts, they can be unbolted to move around.
What I like about them is they put us very low in the car which is important since I've shortened my roll bars about 1.5".

http://breezeautomotive.com/details.php?prod_id=609

[adubbelde]

Installed the seats today using the brackets that I purchased from Mark Reynolds at Breeze Automotive.
They fit well, work well, and yield enough adjustability for my wife (5'2") our son (5'8") and yours truly (5'10") to drive.
The best reason to get these brackets is because they give you the perfect amount of lean making the seats extremely comfortable.
While they are not easy to adjust as they are fixed mounts, they can be unbolted to move around.
What I like about them is they put us very low in the car which is important since I've shortened my roll bars about 1.5".

http://breezeautomotive.com/details.php?prod_id=609
What, No more Life preserver seats?

[GoDadGo]

While I'm waiting on the machine shop to get my engine ready I decided to accomplished a few things to pass the time:

1. Mounted the seats with the assistance of Mark at Breeze Automotive.
2. Added some foam to the rear of seat bottoms (Big & Tall Leather) along with backer boards so they fit the back of my front very well.
3. Mounted the top of the transmission tunnel so it will be removable.

The dash, stereo panel, trans tunnel top, fuel gauge sending unit, fuel pick up, master cylinders, slave cylinder all use the same 1/8" Allen Head screws to make things easy to get to.
I wasn't going to make the top of the trans tunnel removable until I pulled the drive shaft from inside the car when we were prepping to pull the driveline.

Have Rivetnut Gun, Will Use It!

[GoDadGo]

What, No more Life preserver seats?

No More Life Preserver Seating!

Yea! Said My Better Half, Yea!

[GoDadGo]

Update:

The machine shop expects to be finished prior to Christmas, hopefully next week.
With some luck I may be running again before the end of the year.
Cross Your Fingers Gents!

Steve

[GoDadGo]

They punched the block .030" over on Friday so hopefully, it will be assembled and home for Christmas.

Since I Was Born In NOLA, Sing It For Them Aaron:

https://youtu.be/gBEKLDvDFTY

[CVOBill]

That's good news so now Dad will get to GO again!! ;)

[Itchief]

Good deal hopefully Santa will be able to deliver your baby for Christmas


Rick

[TexasAviator]

Aaron Neville's Soulful Christmas :D

I hope your Christmas is full of V8 sounds of soul.

[GoDadGo]

Aaron Neville's Soulful Christmas :D

I hope your Christmas is full of V8 sounds of soul.


If Not For Christmas, Then By New Year's Night!

[ThickCobra]

Update:

The machine shop expects to be finished prior to Christmas, hopefully next week.
With some luck I may be running again before the end of the year.
Cross Your Fingers Gents!

Steve

Congrats. We all want to see you up and running.

Jay

[scottiec]

You are moving right along Steve!

[GoDadGo]

Sorry Gang,

The 383 Dart won't be in here for Christmas, but my engine is being worked on.
The block has been bored, honed, cam bearings, freeze plugs, and block dowls are all installed.
Our stroker crank has been cleaned and polished and now hanging out in the saddles.
Man, I Can't Wait To Dive My Go-Kart Again!
The Darkside Dart Cobra Even Has Seats!

Steve

[TexasAviator]

Great to hear Steve. Merry Christmas

[GoDadGo]

Bad News Forum Friends!

It's NOT going to be here for New Years Eve!

[TexasAviator]

it's OK Steve, I have been on hold as well. Waiting on a few orders and a trip back to Texas after new years with my parents in Colorado. Feels like its taking forever. Lol

[GoDadGo]

The cold weather pretty much killed this week, but progress is being made.
The short block is now prepped so things are finally coming together.
Need to drop off the heads, intake, and other goodies next week.

Oh Mrs. Go-Dad, Can Your Bring Some Parts Over On Tuesday?

[mike forte]

Hi Steve,
If you haven't taken the engine apart I would get a pressure tester and look for a leak with a video bore scope. They can see the leak. Great tool!!!


Hey Gang,

The Chevy Cobra Sprung A Not So Good Leak.

We ended up with water in the oil after our last Go-Kart run.
At first we thought it was an intake issue since those bolts seemed to have backed out after a total of about 9 gallons of fuel used during the break-in period plus 30-35 miles of test driving.
The intake was pulled and reseated and a compression test was also done which yielded excellent figures between 200-202 lbs on both cylinder banks. (Extremely Close, Which Was A Surpise Since The Heads Were Not CC'd!)
We pressure tested the radiator again and water is still making its way into the oil pan so "Ugg" Said Sir Charles Brown, "Ugg!"
Anyway, I'll be using my borescope to see if I can find anything, specifically head gasket leaks or cracks in the lifter galley, which is easily accessible with the distributor pulled.

Please Wish Me Luck Because I Think We've Got A Crack In The Lifter Valley!

Steve

NOTE: Thanks Mr. Charles M. Schulz / We All Miss You!

[RickP]

The cold weather pretty much killed this week, but progress is being made.
The short block is now prepped so things are finally coming together.
Need to drop off the heads, intake, and other goodies next week.

Oh Mrs. Go-Dad, Can Your Bring Some Parts Over On Tuesday?

Back the truck up Steve......... cold weather? Did it dip below 40 for a couple of hours? AHAHAHA. Just razzing you. Balmy 10 degrees here north of Philly.

I figured you would beat me getting your motor back in your car but looks like I got you by a week or two. After a complete tear down and re-assembly, we ran a couple of heat cycles on the stand and got her back in the car. Just need to button up a couple of loose ends and I'm back to being whole once again. Unfortunately, it hasn't cracked 20 degrees here in the past several weeks and its not looking like its going to get any warmer anytime soon.

Keep pressing forward my man, you'll get it!


Rick

[GoDadGo]

Hi Steve,
If you haven't taken the engine apart I would get a pressure tester and look for a leak with a video bore scope. They can see the leak. Great tool!!!

Hey Mike,

My former motor mentor hit two of the water jackets when he was attempting to clearance the block and then filled them with JB-Weld and didn't tell me.
Found it after all sorts of tests and useless work, but we are now heading in the right direction once again with a new Dart SHP Block.

Steve

[GoDadGo]

Back the truck up Steve......... cold weather? Did it dip below 40 for a couple of hours? AHAHAHA. Just razzing you. Balmy 10 degrees here north of Philly.

I figured you would beat me getting your motor back in your car but looks like I got you by a week or two. After a complete tear down and re-assembly, we ran a couple of heat cycles on the stand and got her back in the car. Just need to button up a couple of loose ends and I'm back to being whole once again. Unfortunately, it hasn't cracked 20 degrees here in the past several weeks and its not looking like its going to get any warmer anytime soon.

Keep pressing forward my man, you'll get it!


Rick

Hey Rick,

We've been hanging in the mid 20's every night and high 30's during the days ever since New Year's Eve.
Warm by your standards, crazy cold by ours.
How do you all live like this is NUTS!

Steve

[mike forte]

Hi Steve,
UGH UGH UGH!!! That sucks big time.
I have a new DART SHP 427 shortblock SB Chevy ready to ship on the shelf... Motivated to sell at a great price... Also have 347 & 363 DART SHP shortblocks too.

[GoDadGo]

More Goodies Going To The Builder Tomorrow:

Camshaft
Lifters
Pushrods
Oil Pump
Timing Cover
Oil Pan

Heads, Rockers, Valve Covers & Intake Are Going Thursday Or Friday!

[cgundermann]

More Goodies Going To The Builder Tomorrow:

Camshaft
Lifters
Pushrods
Oil Pump
Timing Cover
Oil Pan

Heads, Rockers, Valve Covers & Intake Are Going Thursday Or Friday!

Getting close!

[GoDadGo]

I Dropped By The Shop Today To See Some Nice Progress, So Things Are Moving Along!

This Cold Winter (By Louisiana Standards) Is Really Wreaking Havoc On Us This Year!

This Global Warming Thing Needs To Stop Because We Still Have Ice On The Ground!

[mburger]

I Dropped By The Shop Today To See Some Nice Progress, So Things Are Moving Along!

This Cold Winter (By Louisiana Standards) Is Really Wreaking Havoc On Us This Year!

This Global Warming Thing Needs To Stop Because We Still Have Ice On The Ground!

It was briefly 28 here in SW FL. 70s and then 80 for the weekend!
Glad you are getting closer to getting that engine back!

[NAZ]

Y'all got our snow -- were 3' behind normal now and the highs here have been touching the 60's. Crazy weather like nothing I've ever seen. Should be lots of snow on the ground now and the highs hovering around the freezing mark. It's been like perpetual fall with no end in sight. With no snow we will have a very treacherous fire season come spring. I'd rather shovel snow than worry about wildfires.

[GoDadGo]

Y'all got our snow -- were 3' behind normal now and the highs here have been touching the 60's. Crazy weather like nothing I've ever seen. Should be lots of snow on the ground now and the highs hovering around the freezing mark. It's been like perpetual fall with no end in sight. With no snow we will have a very treacherous fire season come spring. I'd rather shovel snow than worry about wildfires.

We seldom get the stuff, but so far we've had accumlation three times this year.
It happens about every 20 years or so.
How you all deal with it I don't know.

[Al_C]

Enough talk about weather! We want pictures of the new engine! (We're sick of the cold in Chicagoland, too...)

[adubbelde]

47 and sunny in the Black Hills of South Dakota. (don't ask me about the forecast for tomorrow)

[Papa]

70 and sunny in Denver today - snow this weekend. We need an update on the new power plant, Steve.

[GoDadGo]

We need an update on the new power plant, Steve.

He's file fitting the rings right now among other things and clearancing the rod shoulders a bit (.020") to clear the ROLLER CAM.

[GoDadGo]

The Short Block Is Done!

Dropping Off Heads & Intake Tomorrow!

[mburger]

Awesome! Glad things are moving along!

[Itchief]

Good deal hopefully it will be finished very soon and you can get it back in the car

Rick

[GoDadGo]

Ladies & Gentlemen,

I got the call today that my engine is ready.

Cross your fingers and say a prayer that the 2nd time will be a charm.

I'm taking off tomorrow to go pick it up.

> 383 SHP Chevy Style Block Dart 9.7-1 Pump Gas Friendly Compression Ratio!
> Eagle Internally Balanced Rotating Assembly With 6" H-Beam Rods With Floating Forged Flat Tops.
> Dart Iron Eagle 215 CC Heads with 2.05 Intake & 1.60 Exhaust Valves.
> Harland Sharp Roller Rockers & Other Go Fast Goodies.
> Comp Cam Extreme Energy 288 Hydraulic Roller Tappet Cam
> Edelbrock AVS 800 Feeding A Weiand 7530 Team-G Single Plane Manifold.

Steve

On A Related Financial Note:

Does anybody want to buy a 2005 Kawasaki Mean Streak 1,600 Cruiser?
I'm asking $3,500.00, but will sell it to a FFR Forum Member for $3,000.00!

[42Bfast]

Yay!!!!

[Itchief]

Great news

We know what you will be doing the next few days

Rick

[GoDadGo]

Great news

We know what you will be doing the next few days

Rick

Installing The Driveline Between Mardi Gras Parades & Getting That Sucker Bugging The Neighbors Well Before NOLA Jazzfest!

http://www.neworleansonline.com/neworleans/mardigras/parades.html

http://www.nojazzfest.com/lineup/#/

Y'all come on down if you've got some time to spare.

[frankb]

Glad to hear you are almost there!

[RoadRacer]

It's going to be a very well watched startup video! Good luck!

[Ducky2009]

Glad to hear you're back in business. I'm just getting started again after surgery. Looking forward to progress pics

[GoDadGo]

Then Dart 383 Is Home & On The Stand!

[David Hodgkins]

Then Dart 383 Is Home & On The Stand!

No, it's not! No pics, didn't happen!!

:)

[rrrose]

No, it's not! No pics, didn't happen!!

:)

I'm wondering how "sick" GoDad is going to be tomorrow prepping that engine to put in its proper place. Ok well not totally proper it is a chevy. :) Glad its all coming back together for you Steve.

[GoDadGo]

I'm wondering how "sick" GoDad is going to be tomorrow prepping that engine to put in its proper place. Ok well not totally proper it is a chevy. :) Glad its all coming back together for you Steve.

I'll be back at the office working tomorrow; however, it does feel good to have an engine back in my little shop.
In addition, I installed a new front tire and bearings on my Kawasaki Mean Streak to get it ready to sell.
While I hate to ditch the bike, this block swap has eaten up some previously earmarked cash.
I can't wait to have that 2nd/1st start and that 2nd/1st Go-Kart Drive!
Thanks All & I Hope To Post A Youtube Soon!

[KDubU]

Where??? I don't see no stinking pictures! ;)

[GoDadGo]

Where??? I don't see no stinking pictures! ;)

Sorry Kyle,

I didn't have time to take any pics or videos this weekend because I had to help my brother with his boat plus change the U-Joints on Baby Go-Dad's ride.
The goal is to get the driveline linked and in the car over the Mardi Gras weekend at the expense if missing the Mardi Gras Blow Out @ Hub-City Dragway.
Uggggg; Decision, Decisions!

Steve

https://www.hubcitydragway.com/schedule.html

https://youtu.be/jfSstNEZjFo

[CraigS]

Where??? I don't see no stinking pictures! ;)
Me either. Come on, I am waiting to see a pic of a funny looking engine on a stand. Ha, ha. Get your cell phone out, it only take about 4 minutes to take a pic and get it here via Flickr.

[Yama-Bro]

I'm starting to think he's just pulling our chains about this engine...two days, no pics...hmmm...

Just kidding GoDad :p

[RoadRacer]

it's unforgivable, really.

[Al_C]

maybe we should post our own photos instead :)

[boat737]

it's unforgivable, really.


Me either. Come on, I am waiting to see a pic of a funny looking engine on a stand. Ha, ha. Get your cell phone out, it only take about 4 minutes to take a pic and get it here via Flickr.


maybe we should post our own photos instead :)

Man, tough crowd this week. Or should I say, Tough crowd this week.

[phileas_fogg]

HaHaHaHaHaHa. You forgot the red & the italics.