Garage Refresh Completed. Bring on the Coupe!

[edwardb]

I've had the first week of September circled on my calendar as the right time to order my Gen 3 Type 65 Coupe for a while now. The time has finally come, and thank you Factory Five for announcing the first sale on the Gen 3 Coupe this week! Today I placed my order. Delivery will be in mid/late November. Whoo-hoo!

This will be my fourth FFR build, and the first one that doesn't look like a Roadster. I've seen the Gen 3 Coupe in person twice now and given it a good looking over. I like what they've done with it, and am really excited to start this all over again. Still a fair weather car and will spend Michigan winters in hibernation. But with a top and HVAC, maybe add some comfort. But mainly I just enjoy the build process and this looks like an exciting challenge. I'm planning to take my time. Probably in the 2 year range. The 20th Anniversary Roadster isn't going anywhere though! It's staying right here.

I ordered the following:

Gen 3 Type 65 Coupe Complete Kit
Gloss black powder coated chassis
Body cutouts and Nose Scoops
GPS Gauge Set
31 Spline Coyote T-56 Magnum w/IRS driveshaft
5.0L Coyote Install Kit
Vinyl Roadster Seats. Will likely replace with high backs. TBD
2015+ Mustang based IRS
Double Adjustable Koni shocks
Black Carpet Package
Leather Steering Wheel
Front and rear swaybar
18-inch wheels (free with Fall Sale!!)
Wilwood 12.88-inch brakes front and rear, black calipers
Stewart Delivery

This is the first time I haven't picked up my kit in person. Not sure how well it would fit into my 14-foot SE (likely not too well) plus I really don't need the long drive and mess around with sales tax which wasn't the case before. I'm still working on the details of the actual build plan. Lots of TBD's that I'll decide about once the kit is here and I start mocking things up. I'm definitely doing another Coyote build, so that's locked in. The timing looks like it's going to be perfect to use the upcoming Gen 3 Coyote. I have a couple contacts at Ford and feel confident the timing is going to work. I've also decided to go with a T56 Magnum to get 6 speeds plus supposedly it shifts nice. The price is only slightly more than the Liberty modified TKO's I've used on my last two builds. A little bit bigger and heavier, but supposedly fits into the Gen 3 Coupe OK. These are the details I've got so far:

2018+ Gen 3 Coyote Crate Engine and Controls Pack
4 into 4 straight tube headers (TBD)
TBD bell housing (aluminum or QuickTime)
Ford Racing billet steel flywheel
Ford Racing / Centerforce dual friction clutch
Tilton 6000 hydraulic throw-out bearing
Tremec Magnum T-56 6-speed transmission (2.66, 1.78, 1.30, 1.00, .80, .63)
3.55 2015+ IRS center section (alum or iron TBD)
Space heater, defroster, and A/C
Heated seats TBD
Power steering (details TBD, consider electric assist setup)
Manual brakes (kit supplied Wilwood pedal box)
Full aluminum panel powder coat and Lizard Skin insulation
Mustang style coolant routing and aftermarket expansion tank (to be confirmed)
High finish interior including dash, gauges/switches, carpet, headliner, etc.
Cruise control (maybe)
Aftermarket wipers and washers (not Lucas)
All LED lighting, footwell lights, trunk light, backup light
Color and stripe (if used) TBD

The IRS, sway bars, shocks and brakes are all the same as on my current 20th Anniversary Roadster. Everything about that car is absolutely perfect, so I'm not changing anything there. I'll be doing heat and A/C for the first time. I'm not going to go crazy, but I want the interior to be nicely finished and detailed. Carpet, headliner, nice dash, etc. I'm going to decide about seats later as well. We'll see how that all works out. I'm going to try hard to use one of the electric power steering options. Eliminates some clutter under the hood plus not having to add a PS pump on the Coyote along with the A/C pump. There are several solutions out there, but they're complex and pricey. We'll see on that one too.

I'm also pretty certain I'm going to try a hydraulic throw-out bearing setup. I've done a hydraulic clutch on my last two Roadster builds, and love how well it works. Plus with the Wilwood pedal box it's easy at that end. But I'm leaning towards not doing the external slave and instead doing an internal hydraulic TOB. That's what the newer Mustangs use. I've heard nothing but good things about the Tilton 6000 TOB, so that's what I'm considering. Yes, it's risky because of major tear-down in case of issues. We'll see.

First order of business before the kit delivery is to finish getting my garage in shape. We've been at our new place 11 months now (hard to believe) and 99% of the work has been on the living area. Imagine that! But most of that is done now and I've started on the garage. I've changed the openers, patched and painted the ceiling, added LED lights, and now finishing up patching and painting the rest. Ahead is still getting my new 2-post and heater installed. Ordered those today too (expensive day...) then will get my Racedeck installed. I'm only putting it in two bays. Same tiles I had at our last house just with a few new pieces added since the space is a little larger. I'll post some pics when it's done. It's going to be a nice place to work I think. And only 6 steps down to my basement workshop.

I'm planning to do another build thread. Maybe it won't be as long or detailed as the last two, but we'll see. Need to sort out the photo hosting thing. My Photobucket pics are still showing in my other build threads, but only because I had purchased the lowest tier paid account in the past. They'll disappear at the end of next year if I don't pony up for their new pricing schedule, which isn't going to happen.

That's it for now! Fire away with ideas or suggestions on my build plan. :D

[wareaglescott]

Congrats!
My first suggestion is to just throw any talk away of a less detailed build thread! Your others have set the standard. Quite frankly I am not sure how I would have built my car without reference to your thread. I understand you make a serious time commitment when you undertake a thread like that. I know myself and many others greatly appreciate the work you have done documenting it and hope you are willing to do it again with the coupe.
I seriously think FFR should pay you to do a build thread. They probably realize numerous sales off of your thread alone!

The build sounds awesome. What is the latest on the AC and Heating? Last I saw FFR was developing something for that.
Very interested to learn about the electric power steering as well.

[GoDadGo]

Congratulations Sir Paul,

Can't Wait For You To Show Us How A Type-65 Should Be Done!
I'll Be Following Your Build For Sure!

Steve

[JRL16]

Congrats Paul
Can't wait to see your progress and innovations. It'll be a beauty.

[Gromit]

Oh this is going to be a love hate for me. I can't wait to see a Paul level Build of a Gen3 and build thread, going to love it. How ever I've always dreamt of a roadster and I fear once I see one built to the level we have come to expect from you I am going to be tempted. going to hate being distracted from my original dream but I've been tempted to change with this new Gen3

Good luck with it Can't wait to watch this build thread.

Chris AKA Gromit

[Scap]

This makes me happy. Gonna be a blast following along from the start.

[bil1024]

Congrats!

[Garry Bopp]

Paul,

I will be following this build ... I've got a Gen 3 on order (delayed delivery due to moving)!

Garry

[jeffgrice]

Congrats Paul!!! Anxious to follow and see your progress!!

I think you should paint this color with no stripes and we'd have twins in GLCC!!73443

Jeff

[Jeff Kleiner]

This will be fun to watch :)

RE: the electrc assist power steering---you're talking pure electric at the shaft, not electric over hydraulic with a power rack (a'la Fast Freddie), right? See if you can find a similar one to take for a drive before committing. I drove a friend's FE powered roadster that had the electric shaft assist and did not like it at all (and you well know that I'm a huge PS proponent like you!). It was spooky---felt like you had to stop the wheel from turning any time you came off of dead center.

Cheers,
Jeff

[edwardb]

This will be fun to watch :)

RE: the electrc assist power steering---you're talking pure electric at the shaft, not electric over hydraulic with a power rack (a'la Fast Freddie), right? See if you can find a similar one to take for a drive before committing. I drove a friend's FE powered roadster that had the electric shaft assist and did not like it at all (and you well know that I'm a huge PS proponent like you!). It was spooky---felt like you had to stop the wheel from turning any time you came off of dead center.

Cheers,
Jeff

Hmm. Yes, I'm thinking pure electric on the shaft and using the manual rack that comes with the kit. I was looking primarily at the Unisteer Electra-Steer setup, which has an option to control the amount of boost. I really doubt I'd have a chance to see or even drive another installation. Do you know any more specifics about the one you drove, including whether it had the increased caster for PS? I'd use the same hydraulic KRC setup as I have the 20th Anniversary Roadster in a second. It's perfect. But adding A/C makes things a little more complicated with the Coyote. Even that's a bit of an unknown because I haven't seen any details about my intended 2018 Gen 3 Coyote. Lots of unknowns at this point, but that's what makes it interesting!

[Gromit]

I'm going to assume you're not thinking about a front spoiler or splitter. But if you are I would look into the front hinges That John and Mark did in the #48 build.

The other area I'd be a tiny bit concerned about is the rear track width I'm thinking more than one of these builds has needed spacers on the rear wheels. I'm not convinced FF has the right length on the control arms and half shafts

But I'm more than confident you will work through any issues with an elegant solution again can't wait to watch

Chris aka Gromit

[David Williamson]

I just test fit the body on mine and it looks like 1 inch or larger spacers will be required. Running IRS and FFR 18x11 back wheels
time to go shopping again
David W

[Jeff Kleiner]

...Do you know any more specifics about the one you drove, including whether it had the increased caster for PS?...

Paul,
Yes it was a Unisteer. The owner/builder is somewhat local to me and when he asked I advised him of the preferred alignment specs for PS but I do not know for certain if that's what it ended up with (he would frequently ask for advice or recommendations then go off his own way in a completely different direction). Notice that I refer to the car in the past tense---he crashed it hard twice; nearly killing himself the first time, rebuilt it then totaled the car the second time. After having driven it I have always wondered if the wonky steering was a factor...

Jeff

[edwardb]

I just test fit the body on mine and it looks like 1 inch or larger spacers will be required. Running IRS and FFR 18x11 back wheels
time to go shopping again
David W

Thanks for the heads up. Something else to put on the list to check. With 1-inch spacers, I'm assuming you will need to use longer wheel studs than the ones provided by FF?


Paul,
Yes it was a Unisteer. The owner/builder is somewhat local to me and when he asked I advised him of the preferred alignment specs for PS but I do not know for certain if that's what it ended up with (he would frequently ask for advice or recommendations then go off his own way in a completely different direction). Notice that I refer to the car in the past tense---he crashed it hard twice; nearly killing himself the first time, rebuilt it then totaled the car the second time. After having driven it I have always wondered if the wonky steering was a factor...

Jeff

Wow, not getting a warm and fuzzy feeling about that at all. :( May want to stick with what has worked so well on #8674.

[David Williamson]

I am looking for bolt on spacers so I will have to cut the studs and if I can find them hub centric.
David W

[Paul G]

Congrats on the purchase, I'm a bit into the build, however mother nature has been a bit on the extra warm side this summer so I'm not as far as I would like to be. As for your choice " 3.55 2015+ IRS center section (alum or iron TBD)" The alum center sections in the 2015+ Mustang are used with the V-6 and Ecoboost 4cyl, the torque from the Coyote can break the case (pictures on the Internet), all the GT's have iron cases for that reason. I bought a rear end assembly from a GT with a Performance Pack, which includes 3.73 but has a Torsen diff. I have 3.55 in my roadster and my 2016 Mustang GT, which works well in both. Enjoy the adventure!

[edwardb]

Congrats on the purchase, I'm a bit into the build, however mother nature has been a bit on the extra warm side this summer so I'm not as far as I would like to be. As for your choice " 3.55 2015+ IRS center section (alum or iron TBD)" The alum center sections in the 2015+ Mustang are used with the V-6 and Ecoboost 4cyl, the torque from the Coyote can break the case (pictures on the Internet), all the GT's have iron cases for that reason. I bought a rear end assembly from a GT with a Performance Pack, which includes 3.73 but has a Torsen diff. I have 3.55 in my roadster and my 2016 Mustang GT, which works well in both. Enjoy the adventure!

Thanks for the comments. Yea, I know about the different IRS center sections, what they're used in, etc. I used a 3.55 iron case center section in my #8674 Roadster build. I was one of the real early deliveries of the new IRS design, and at that time FF was only recommending to use the iron case. Since then, they've said either iron or aluminum is OK. Just takes a different adapter. Since these builds are so much lighter than a Mustang, seems they decided it's pretty unlikely we'd be able to break the ears off the aluminum case piece. Having said that, if given the choice, I'd probably choose the iron case again just to be on the safe side. Based on other feedback I've received and further analysis, the 3.73 final drive might be a better combination for the T56 Magnum I'm planning. Unless I change the gears, which I'm not inclined to do, that means a Torsen setup like you have. Budget? What budget? :p

[Paul G]

My setup is basically the same, 2016 Coyote, t-56 magnum, with the 3.73. The Torsen diff is a bit different internally, and is pretty bulletproof. Here is a little video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEiSTzK-A2A The diff cost $750-1000, + setup etc. If it is 3.73 out of a 2015+ it will be out of a Mustang GT with Performance pack, or even Shelby GT350 and have the Torsen Diff. I found a complete rear suspension, including brakes from a 2015 Mustang on eBay in January delivered to Arizona for under $1200, I had one upright that was dinged up about $250 and I replaced the bearing in the upright $60 ea. and cleaned up the iron case and painted it black. Since you are running the 18in wheel you can use the brakes off the Mustang GT as well.

[Straversi]

Congratulations!

Was the hose move centered on more garage space so you could do another build and still hang on to 8674? A man with a plan.

I look forward to following along.

-Steve

[edwardb]

My setup is basically the same, 2016 Coyote, t-56 magnum, with the 3.73. The Torsen diff is a bit different internally, and is pretty bulletproof. Here is a little video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEiSTzK-A2A The diff cost $750-1000, + setup etc. If it is 3.73 out of a 2015+ it will be out of a Mustang GT with Performance pack, or even Shelby GT350 and have the Torsen Diff. I found a complete rear suspension, including brakes from a 2015 Mustang on eBay in January delivered to Arizona for under $1200, I had one upright that was dinged up about $250 and I replaced the bearing in the upright $60 ea. and cleaned up the iron case and painted it black. Since you are running the 18in wheel you can use the brakes off the Mustang GT as well.

You got a great price for the IRS components. I'll be on the lookout for something similar. But the new stuff is pretty heavily discounted now, so we'll see what happens over the next months. I only need the center section and knuckles/hubs. I'm doing the big Wilwood brakes, same as on Roadster #8674 and mentioned in the first post.


Congratulations!

Was the house move centered on more garage space so you could do another build and still hang on to 8674? A man with a plan.

I look forward to following along.

-Steve

The main motivation for a new place was to get a single level ranch style house vs. the two story we had. My wife had to get off stairs with her arthritis. The fact that we found the perfect place, after nearly a year of renovation, that had a finished four car garage with a high ceiling was a huge added bonus. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. :)

#8674 isn't going anywhere. Very happy with how it turned out and it's just a blast to drive. Rapidly approaching 1500 miles. Plus of course nice to have a spot for it.

[WIS89]

Paul-

Congratulations in the Gen 3 purchase. Like many others, I look forward to following along on your build. I would also like to suggest that you consider posting your usual details for those that follow along. It has proven to be an excellent resource for many of us, and I am confident this would not be an exception!

I too am looking for a similar piece of good luck on my next house purchase! That, or I will just have to convince my wife that a detached 3 car garage is a moral imperative!!

Congratulations again!

Regards,

Steve

[Dlirium]

I'll be ordering my Type 65 later this year and as a first time builder am REALLY looking forward to this thread. My friend built a Roadster mostly based on Paul's previous posts, and it came out fantastic!!

Can't wait!!

brent

[jdavis500]

Paul,
My Gen 3 Coupe order is due to arrive in 2 weeks. I am a novice so I have been reading as much as possible over the past few months. I probably don't have to tell you that there are a fraction of coupe build threads compared to roadster threads. Furthermore, there are few to no thorough build threads for the Gen 3, especially for your average builder. I plan to do my best to document my experience, but you are clearly the authority. No pressure...

[forcefed1]

Im new here. Just ordered my coupe (and first FFR kit)2 weeks ago.
Looks like you have some very detailed cobra builds. I will plan to subscribe to your build here as I suspect we will track closely at first.

[CraigS]

I would go w/ the iron 355 if I were you. I put an al case diff in my FFR when I did the 2015 IRS upgrade. Drove me crazy w/ a clank on/off throttle. I have concluded that it is the al case that exaggerates the noise because, if I hit the case w/ a hammer, the sound is similar. Also my wife drives a 2015 Mustang w/ PP so it has the 373 Torsen. The 373 ratio is fine but the Torsen has a lot of drive line slop, same as the TruTrac I previously had in the solid axle in my FFR. Both are Torsen type diffs and, from what I found several years ago, it is common knowledge that they have excess slop. Another subject, I am quite satisfied w/ the Mustang brakes that came w/ my salvage parts. Saved a lot of $ and work great. They have a built-in park brake but these new calipers are a much better design than the old 95+ calipers. BTW, like others I will look forward to watching your build.

[edwardb]

Thanks for all the encouragement guys! It's much appreciated. Like I was excited enough already about the build. ;) You twisted my arm. I'll do the build thread and we'll see how it goes. I'm planning to do a lot of things that has worked for me with the Roadster builds. But I know there are a lot of differences.

The Wilwood brakes are a done deal. I'm not going to mess with the formula that is working perfectly in #8674. They look great and stop very well. Wasn't sure I would like manual brakes, but they're fine.

I've been doing some research on the Torsen diff. Seems a bit of noise is "normal." But still lots of discussion about it. As I mentioned before, the 3.73 ratio looks like a great match for the T56, so kind of leaning that way. But still plenty of time to change my mind. Found this video that explains how the Torsen works. Pretty interesting! https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=321&v=JEiSTzK-A2A

[Yama-Bro]

Congrats, Paul! I wondered how long it would be until you started another build. Just don't forget to swing by the Roadster forum every now and then and help out the newbs like me!

[CraigS]

EdwardB said, "I've been doing some research on the Torsen diff. Seems a bit of noise is "normal." Yes it definitely is normal. It's just a case of whether you want put up w/ it or not. When my TruTrac wore out, I replaced it w/ a standard Ford lim slip unit w/ CF clutches. Made the car so much nicer to drive normally. Maybe PaulG will comment on this since he has it in his FFR.

[mcmustang]

Congratulations!

[Bill Waters]

You will be very happy with the T56 Magnum. I put one in my Miata, which has a 525hp LS3 crate engine (465 rwhp) and routes power to a Getrag diff. with 3.72 gearing. Yes, the 5.6lb/hp ratio does just fine!
Though the Magnum is a stronger transmission than previous editions, the gearshift clicks into gear when shifting as though it's being sucked into place.

[GoDadGo]

Is an Eaton Sure Track style differential an option for the independent 8.8 rear end set up?

https://youtu.be/lZmsY2YvVsc
https://youtu.be/TPBdbGO0-fE

The MOSER TSD-500 straight axle has a similar setup, and it is quiet, but don't know if it's an option for the 8.8 IRS pumpkin.

[edwardb]

Is an Eaton Sure Track style differential an option for the independent 8.8 rear end set up?

https://youtu.be/lZmsY2YvVsc
https://youtu.be/TPBdbGO0-fE

The MOSER TSD-500 straight axle has a similar setup, and it is quiet, but don't know if it's an option for the 8.8 IRS pumpkin.

I'm not aware that anything other than the Ford supplied Torsen will fit into the 2015+ Mustang center section. I'm not going to try to reinvent the wheel here. If I do end up with 3.73 gearing (still considering) and it's the Torsen version, I'm not worried about it. They can apparently be slightly noisier in certain conditions than a clutch type. But there's a huge difference in the interior noise of a Mustang and a Type 65 Coupe. I've driven a new Mustang GT, and even with the piped in engine noise, it's relatively quiet. Especially compared to our builds. I'm not expecting it would be noticeable in the Coupe.

[Mark Eaton]

Paul,

This is awesome and I can hardly wait for your build thread!! You are a true master and we will all anxiously await each post. Since you asked for suggestions though... What about antilock brakes and or airbags? As a trauma surgeon I can tell you that these innovations have saved countless lives over the last 40 years. Its a bit of a selfish request because I'm interested in installing them in my MK4 build and need guidance.

Mark

[edwardb]

Paul,

This is awesome and I can hardly wait for your build thread!! You are a true master and we will all anxiously await each post. Since you asked for suggestions though... What about antilock brakes and or airbags? As a trauma surgeon I can tell you that these innovations have saved countless lives over the last 40 years. Its a bit of a selfish request because I'm interested in installing them in my MK4 build and need guidance.

Mark

Thanks for the generous comments and encouragement! ABS has been done by some builders, so there's some experience out there. Would require something other than the standard Wilwood balance bar brake setup though. I haven't seen any reference to airbags in these builds and frankly would be skeptical if I did. I don't want to turn this thread into a debate on the topic. But I spent most of my career in the automotive industry and worked for some of the largest suppliers of these components. I have personally observed the amount of R&D and testing that goes into these products and how they're designed and configured for specific automobiles. I don't have either in the build plan for my Coupe. While properly installed these may have some merit, I'm satisfied that there are enough differences (chassis construction, seat and restraint systems, typical use, etc.), especially with the Coupe and the full cage, that reasonable safety is provided. In the end though these are custom performance oriented cars. There is an element of risk that requires extremely careful and observant driving practices.

[Rodster]

Every awesome! I am looking forward to seeing your build. Sooooo -- how many of them jackets ya got?

[edwardb]

Every awesome! I am looking forward to seeing your build. Sooooo -- how many of them jackets ya got?

Thanks. No jackets so far. :o I've only seen the pics and hoping I don't need one. But we'll see.

BTW, to the poster, who I won't name, who thinks I'm trying to take credit for a Coupe Coyote build like it hasn't been done before, you couldn't be more wrong. I apologize to anyone who may have gotten that impression. I'm excited to get my hands on a Gen 3 Coyote if possible. But I'm not expecting it to be significantly different than before. There have already been multiple Coyote builds including at least two from Factory Five, John George, the incredible dual turbo build headed to SEMA, several build threads, etc. I'm learning all I can from those and give them all the credit in the world for leading the way. We all learn and contribute as we go. That's how this community works. The post has been deleted, but wanted to respond anyway.

[edwardb]

As a mentioned in the first post, I need my garage workshop to be ready before the Coupe is delivered. Drywall repair, painting, and new lighting are all finally done. My new Bendpak XPR-10S-LP 2-post lift arrived at the freight terminal and I picked it up there. All 1800 lbs. SE to the rescue again. I was able to take the pallet apart and pick it out of the trailer one piece at a time.

http://i867.photobucket.com/albums/ab234/edwardb123/Factory%20Five%20Daytona%20Coupe/Garage%20Remodel/IMG_1526_zps9ggxtsmf.jpg (http://s867.photobucket.com/user/edwardb123/media/Factory%20Five%20Daytona%20Coupe/Garage%20Remodel/IMG_1526_zps9ggxtsmf.jpg.html)

Completed the pre-assembly and staged for raising.

http://i867.photobucket.com/albums/ab234/edwardb123/Factory%20Five%20Daytona%20Coupe/Garage%20Remodel/IMG_1529_zpsbf7tbmz8.jpg (http://s867.photobucket.com/user/edwardb123/media/Factory%20Five%20Daytona%20Coupe/Garage%20Remodel/IMG_1529_zpsbf7tbmz8.jpg.html)

Three of my good buddies from the local Cobra club came over and the four of us were able to get the columns standing and the bridge in place. Wasn't too hard with enough help. Surprisingly, getting the bridge up and installed was the hardest part.

http://i867.photobucket.com/albums/ab234/edwardb123/Factory%20Five%20Daytona%20Coupe/Garage%20Remodel/IMG_1531_zpsmkuvzbta.jpg (http://s867.photobucket.com/user/edwardb123/media/Factory%20Five%20Daytona%20Coupe/Garage%20Remodel/IMG_1531_zpsmkuvzbta.jpg.html)

With everything positioned, drilled the twelve 3/4-inch holes in the concrete and set the anchors. Confirmed the garage floor as just over 5 inches thick (lift spec calls for minimum 4 inches) and VERY hard. The installation is very solid. Then installed my RaceDeck flooring. Today I get the last pieces in, not showing in this picture.

http://i867.photobucket.com/albums/ab234/edwardb123/Factory%20Five%20Daytona%20Coupe/Garage%20Remodel/IMG_1533_zpstn47htne.jpg (http://s867.photobucket.com/user/edwardb123/media/Factory%20Five%20Daytona%20Coupe/Garage%20Remodel/IMG_1533_zpstn47htne.jpg.html)

Next up is to run the 220V power and complete the lift assembly. Then hang and hook up my new heater. Some smaller details after that but making good progress. Most of October is going to be taken up with family stuff and travel. But I should be ready in time.

[nkw8181]

Looking forward to watching your build. I'm heading up to Factory Five this coming weekend to look at the coupe (and other cars) in person. I've built an 818 and now want to build a coupe. What is the timeline for the gen 3 coyote crate motor release?

[edwardb]

What is the timeline for the gen 3 coyote crate motor release?

First or second quarter 2018. Depending on who you ask. It's in development right now. I'm hoping to get another update in the next few weeks. If it hits this time window, fits my build schedule just fine.

[Duke]

Paul, congrat's on your next project. Sounds like a fun build. Have you considered adding boost to this one?

[edwardb]

Paul, congrat's on your next project. Sounds like a fun build. Have you considered adding boost to this one?

Thanks! No, don't have boost in the build plan. Assuming I can snag the Gen 3 Coyote, already starting at 460 HP. That's already way more than I need. :p

[Jeff Kleiner]

Garage and the lift look good Paul---albiet a little empty but I know that will change soon :)

For the new shop that I'm currently building my wife surprisingly insisted on one thing; make it tall enough for a lift. She says that I'm not getting any younger...it's true but damn, she didn't have to come right out and say it :mad:

Jeff

[nkw8181]

Thanks that at least gives me a timeline. Regardless of when it is I'd love an official announcement




First or second quarter 2018. Depending on who you ask. It's in development right now. I'm hoping to get another update in the next few weeks. If it hits this time window, fits my build schedule just fine.

[edwardb]

For the new shop that I'm currently building my wife surprisingly insisted on one thing; make it tall enough for a lift. She says that I'm not getting any younger...it's true but damn, she didn't have to come right out and say it :mad:

Jeff

OK, that's funny. I didn't have to be told. I knew it after the first build. Crawling around on the floor and bending over while working just wasn't fun any more. Once you've worked on a build using a lift, you'll wonder how you ever worked without one. Huge difference.

[edwardb]

Woo-hoo. New 2-post lift is finished and running. Got the 220V line run, added 4+ gallons of hydraulic fluid, then made all the final adjustments. All good! Took it for a test drive with #8674. At full height I can walk under it. Little different than the MaxJax and a roller seat. At full lift the garage door clears the roll bars and windshield. Best was the low profile arms work great. The rear slides right under. The front is tight. Slight lift with a floor jack and they also slide right under. Nothing not to like here. Heat is next then get all my tools back from the basement plus something on those bare walls.

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[WIS89]

Paul-

Lift looks great! I know it will make a huge difference for you and your build(s) moving forward. I know heat will be a great addition too!

You surely need to bring some tools up before the coupe gets there; no way you want to be running up and down to the basement to get and return tools.

I am looking forward to your coupe build.

Regards,

Steve

[John Dol]

Looks great Paul!
With heat and tools that will be a great place to build.

John

[nkw8181]

That looks awesome!!

[edwardb]

Thanks for the encouragement guys! This has sort of turned into a build thread for my updated garage workspace. But that's OK I guess. This weekend I finished installing the heater. Had to think a little about how to get it 8 feet up in the air and hung in position. Not too heavy at 85 lbs, but a bit awkward. I ended up using the same rope ratchets I've used to lift Roadster bodies off and on. Got it into position by lifting each corner a little at a time (and help from my grandson) and then replaced the rope ratchets one at a time with 3/8-inch threaded rod into the Superstrut channels. Once installed, plenty strong, but because of the amount of drop, swayed pretty easily. So installed a diagonal brace and seems fine. Added power, extended a natural gas line from the basement, and installed the B-vent flue through the roof. I'm using a Nest thermostat, same as in the house, so I can program the heat, and monitor and control the garage temp with the app on my phone. Pretty cool. Fired it up and all works as it's supposed to. No hurry for cold weather, but I'm ready.

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[2bking]

ABS has been done by some builders, so there's some experience out there. Would require something other than the standard Wilwood balance bar brake setup though.

ABS works with the Wilwood dual MCs. The ABS module has a input for front and rear lines. The decision is what ABS Module to get, 3 or 4 channel. Three channel control both rear wheels as one while the four channel control all four independently.

Your work space is very nice and the new floor will make for some very good back ground to the impressive photos to come. Congratulations!

[edwardb]

ABS works with the Wilwood dual MCs. The ABS module has a input for front and rear lines. The decision is what ABS Module to get, 3 or 4 channel. Three channel control both rear wheels as one while the four channel control all four independently.

Your work space is very nice and the new floor will make for some very good back ground to the impressive photos to come. Congratulations!

Thanks! And thanks for the correction regarding ABS. Makes sense. Clearly my lack of experience with those systems shows. :p

[edwardb]

Today I put the final touches on my garage workshop refresh. Lots of work but very happy with the results. First a brief bit of history. I built 2-3/4’s of my 3 builds at our former house of 14 years. Pretty normal suburban two car garage with a slightly higher than normal ceiling. Over the years, I had painted it, added heat, the Racedeck flooring, and the MaxJax 2-post lift. Got a lot accomplished there.

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Roughly 15 months ago, my wife and I decided it was time to lose the two story and find a ranch style house. Her arthritic hips made the stairs very difficult and it was time for a change. We were extremely fortunate and blessed to find a single level ranch style house just a couple miles away that needed some TLC but could be made perfect for her. The fact that it had a four car garage didn’t influence my decision at all! Long story short we made the change and have been in the new place just over one year now. Work in the living area including a major remodel in the master bedroom and bath took much of the first year. Being retired certainly helps. I was able to squeeze in getting #8674 done. But not much else. Finally now able to get the garage ready for the next build.

This is what the garage looked like when we first saw the house. Underneath the mess was nearly 1000 square feet, all insulated, drywalled and painted. Plus ceiling height of just over 13 feet. The doors aren’t insulated, but they are solid wood (heavy!) and are a full 8 feet high. In my wildest dreams I never imaged I could have something like this to work in.

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A lot of the junk was moved out (including unfortunately the pretty cool antique license plate collection) but I was still left with a bunch of shelves and cabinets. Also a couple families of mice. Right after closing, first order of business was to clear most everything out in the basement and garage. Moved #7750 and not yet finished #8674 in right after. Along with a bunch of mouse traps that did their job.

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Cleaned things up a bit after we moved, added some temporary heat, and was able to finish #8674 just in time for the Detroit Autorama in February 2017. The cabinets on the back wall came out when I did the master bathroom demolition.

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Fast forward to the last couple months and serious work began. First order of business was to take out the standard chain drive overhead garage door openers. I replaced them with Liftmaster 8500 wall mount openers along with a battery backup. I had one of these at our other house and they are great. Opens and closes the garage door by directly turning the jackshaft. Aside from eliminated the obstruction in the middle of the garage, they are super quiet and smooth, plus connected to our home network. So I can open/close from an app on my phone plus see their status at any time. No more driving back home to see if we left the door open!

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I considered having one or both of the garage door tracks raised. But after laying things out, decided it wouldn’t be necessary. Being 8 foot doors, they’re already higher than normal. I’m only planning to use the lift for work. Not storing. So no stacking and the added height isn’t needed. At least not right now.

Next I insulated the attic, patched the walls and ceiling, primed and painted, and replaced the typical ceiling mounted single bulb sockets with eight Feit Electric 4-foot LED shop lights. At 3700 lumens each, along with the windows on each side wall, the lighting is excellent.

[edwardb]

I previously posted pictures of the new BendPak XPR-10S-LP 2-post lift my buddies helped me install. Had to run a new 220 line over from the panel, but other than that pretty straightforward. After that installed my Racedeck flooring. Most of it is from my other garage. I did have to buy some additional squares because of the larger space plus to replace some that were cut for the other installation. I only installed it in the 2 bays of the workshop side. Unlike my other garage, I’m not going to park the DD on the Racedeck. It’s not a problem. It handles it fine. But the Michigan salt and whatever does make a mess on it. Also like my other garage, I installed a layer of landscape fabric between the Racedeck and the concrete floor. Suggested by many to reduce the creaking or cracking sound when walking on the Racedeck. Works, and it’s pretty cheap stuff.

Also posted pictures of the new 75K BTU Modine Big Dawg space heater. That was a little bit bigger project running electric, gas, plus a vent through the roof. But it’s done and we’ve had enough cool Michigan weather that I’ve confirmed it works great. I’m using a Nest programmable thermostat for it. A bit of overkill. But we use those inside the house and really like how they work. I can see the garage temp, set the temperature, whatever, from the phone app.

Hung my worklight/extension cord reel plus air hose reel. I had enough supply line for the reel to route it to the opposite corner of the garage. My 20+ year old Craftsman oil-less compressor is crazy loud. So nice to get it away from the work area. A new compressor is on my wish list. Finally, moved everything back in and hung the all important man cave wall art. Looks like this as of a few minutes ago. The Mk4 kit is something I’m storing as a favor and it will be picked up by Stewart when they deliver my Coupe.

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I also have a basement workshop – through the door into the house and down six steps – that has another workbench, tool chest, my bandsaw, sander, power tools, etc. Most of my fab work I do down there. Plenty of room as well to store boxes of parts and sort them out as needed. I’m going to take the garage shop for a trial run next week getting #8674 winterized and prepared for hibernation. Not too happy about that. But it is November and snow is in the forecast.

This week I confirmed everything with my Coupe order at Factory Five (no changes!) and scheduled the pickup and delivery with Stewart. My November 18 completion date is unchanged. I’m probably going to get delayed a bit because of the Thanksgiving holidays (not unexpected) but hopefully will have the new Coupe in the shop by Dec 1. We’ll see. Obviously I'm getting very anxious.

[carlewms]

Paul,

Congratulations! What a great find and setup ... and having the extra basement workspace is a very nice bonus.

Your build threads are fantastic and I look forward to following this new one as well.

Carl

[Jeff Kleiner]

Looks fantastic Paul. Your setup sounds a bit like my old house where the workshop itself with big workbench, HD shelving, less than easily moved toolbox, etc. was separate from the garage and accessed through a set of double doors. Looking forward to spending plenty of time in the new space with you via the forums when the Gen3 arrives.

Jeff

[michael everson]

Paul. Thanks for hanging on to that Mark 4 for my while it waits for Stewart. Here is some eye candy for you while you wait for your Coupe.

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[forcefed1]

WOW! not only does teh man give us great build threads of his coupe. but now he hooks us up with a GREAT garage build thread!

my coupe is ready to pick up today.
coyote tranny and IRS cam last week.


Heading to MA monday to pick it up!
im loosing a few hours of sleep every day now.
guess I better start my official build thread.

[CVOBill]

Paul, the garage looks great and looking forward to the build thread.

[Al_C]

Looks great Paul! The best part of your setup is that you don't even have to go outside in winter weather to get to your shop. It looks big enough that you could hold classes there... (the Mott guys probably wouldn't appreciate the competition :) )

[Vette1972]

Paul,

For us Coupe dreamers, this is going to be a treat. Really looking forward to watching your progress. Super nice garage space.

Thanks, Len

[Yama-Bro]

Wow! That's a dream garage! Looks great Paul. I've had a lot of issues with my garage door openers and springs. Maybe next time my opener kicks the bucket I'll get one like yours.

[edwardb]

Wow! That's a dream garage! Looks great Paul. I've had a lot of issues with my garage door openers and springs. Maybe next time my opener kicks the bucket I'll get one like yours.

Thanks for the positive comments from everyone. FYI regarding the Liftmaster 8500 shaft drive openers, they still require properly installed and adjusted springs. No different than the usual chain or belt drive overhead openers. Per the instructions, the springs must be able to hold the door stationary with it halfway open.

[WIS89]

Paul-

What a nice work space! You did a very nice job taking it from a bit dirty fresh canvas, and getting it all ready for your work. I am envious of your set-up. I really like the fact that you have a space outside of the garage to do some work, as well as for storage; it doesn't add to the clutter that plague most garages -- doubly so in mine!

Like everyone else, I have been looking forward to your coupe build. I have always enjoyed following along on your builds, and I am confident this will be no different!

Thanks for sharing your garage with us, and I know we will all get to see a whole lot more of it in the coming months.

Regards,

Steve

[John Dol]

Awesome space Paul! It's great when the house offers an interest for both spouses.
Looking forward to the coupe build.

John

[wareaglescott]

Looks great Paul.
That is a genius move be Mike asking you to store the roadster. He probably figures you won't be able to stand it sitting there untouched and you will have it half built for him by the time he gets it! haha

[michael everson]

Scott. I never thought of that.
Mike

[edwardb]

That is a genius move be Mike asking you to store the roadster. He probably figures you won't be able to stand it sitting there untouched and you will have it half built for him by the time he gets it! haha


Scott. I never thought of that.
Mike

Pretty funny guys. No, the Mk4 kit is going to just hang out until Stewart exchanges it for my new Coupe. Besides, Mike gets done in a couple hours what it takes me weeks to do. I wouldn't make much of a dent. :p

[edwardb]

Yesterday my brakes showed up, dropped shipped directly from Wilwood. No surprise, this is how the process works. But somewhat ironic that the very first parts for this build were the very last parts on my last build. The brakes for the 20th Anniversary Roadster were delivered a full six months after I had the kit. Wilwood had a number of issues apparently, including the custom colors on those. And I didn't even get the promised t-shirt. Anyway, all good now. The parts are beautiful. Wilwood stuff isn't cheap but it sure is nice. I like the black calipers with silver logo that I selected. Went through both boxes, and other than the colors, are exactly the same parts as delivered for my Roadster build two years ago. Tomorrow is my Coupe completion date. Hopefully next week I'll get an idea from Stewart about the delivery. Can't wait.

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[japollon]

Paul, I don't have experience with Unisteer but I do have electric power steering on my Detomaso Pantera. The system I have is marketed by American Power Train and is the EZ Electric Power Steering unit. It also has proportional boost control. The transition in my car was pretty much flawless. Most difficult issue was finding space. The operation of the system maintains the original steering geometry. Handling and responsiveness is improved with the system. Note, mine is not a track car. Joel

[PeteH]

Paul,
Great workspace! You must receive the magazine Garage Style. You have a lot of blank canvas there to work with! If I can ever figure out how to upload pics directly off my phone to the albums I'll post some pics of my 289 and garage with single post lift.
Only downside in having a nicely finished garage is I won't do any painting at home any longer, and you notice the dust more. Fortunately, I have other connections to a paint booth these days, taking the prepped body there tomorrow, and found a local guy from this forum building a 33 that can do the alignment, that is set for 22nd.Nov.

[Gromit]

As envious as I am with this garage thread if the parts are starting to show up... maybe it is time to start the build Thread... I am looking forward to all the tips and tricks you work into these builds.
Chris AKA Gromit.

[edwardb]

As envious as I am with this garage thread if the parts are starting to show up... maybe it is time to start the build Thread... I am looking forward to all the tips and tricks you work into these builds.
Chris AKA Gromit.

I will when the kit arrives. Promise. ;)

[mcmustang]

Putting those boxes on your counter is the fastest way to break it.

[edwardb]

Putting those boxes on your counter is the fastest way to break it.

All is OK... Thanks...

[edwardb]

Just got this pic today. On the rack ready to ship at Factory Five. Stewart is supposed to pick up next week. Should find out more about the expected delivery to MI sometime after. Now I'm officially getting anxious.

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[GoDadGo]

Congratulations & I know this will be your finest build ever.

[Vette1972]

Edwardb,

Christmas will come early for you this year! Can't wait to watch the build.

Len

[TexasAviator]

congrats on the new home, car, and garage. What a great place to be in life. Well done sir.

[first time builder]

Paul I have the same heater and had a problem when first started that the circuit board was bad . They sent new one now all is good.
The only thing I did different than you was I put a gas shut off valve down low for easy reach. I also put a safety electric switch as required by code where I live.
I wish I had that size garage. I also added two ceiling fans that help to cool in summer and bring the hot air down in winter.

Kenny

[edwardb]

Paul I have the same heater and had a problem when first started that the circuit board was bad. They sent new one now all is good. The only thing I did different than you was I put a gas shut off valve down low for easy reach. I also put a safety electric switch as required by code where I live. I wish I had that size garage. I also added two ceiling fans that help to cool in summer and bring the hot air down in winter.

Kenny

Thanks for the feedback. I'm super happy with the new heater. I had a similar style Mr. Heater Big Maxx in my previous garage. The Modine Big Dawg brand seemed to have better reviews and more of a commercial grade. Certainly a bit more expensive. It's pretty quiet when it runs and heats the garage really well. It's going to be a very comfortable place to work I think. Glad to hear they stood behind yours when you experienced a problem. I have the gas shutoff valve on the end of the rigid black gas pipe near the unit as shown in the installation instructions. I have an electric switch also on the unit. Not visible in the pictures. The electric panel is also in the garage with the heater on a dedicated circuit. Having a ceiling fan in the garage isn't a bad idea. I'll keep that in mind.