California SB100 Title and Registration

[boat737]

My SB100, California Title and Registration Process Part 1 -- The initial research

First a disclaimer: At least some of this information will be changed or different when you actually get into the registration process. Some of it is because different DMV offices, and even different DMV personnel in the same office, interpret all this stuff differently. Some of it will change because even the DMV’s own procedures change on a regular basis. An example is that I could not get a 90 day temporary license, the procedure is only a 30 day now, but she gave me one through the end of February, that for me is almost 60 days (54, but who’s counting.) So be prepared for some unexpected issues, and be flexible and go with the flow. And for sure, go in with your happy face. Don’t tell them how to do their job with an attitude from you. I did offer to tell my rep that there is a DMV memorandum, VR-2002-25, to follow (twice) but she said she didn’t need it, so I let it go.

The SB100 process is to title and register a car using the exemption for all the smog devices in the car. Under the SB100, a specially constructed car (known by the DMV as a SPCNS) is smog-ed under the 1965 rules requiring only a closed crankcase and PVC system. The car is still considered a current year automobile, i.e., a 2017 car.

The whole process started with searching the forums, and collecting documents. Here are just a few:

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showthread.php?5550-The-california-registration-process-for-SB100 (or http://home.thegrid.net/~ffr4776/SB100_Registration.pdf )
http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showthread.php?18342-California-Certificate-of-Sequence-SB100
http://www.ffcars.com/forums/50-insurance-registration-discussions/498681-california-sb100.html
http://www.ffcars.com/forums/17-factory-five-roadsters/532577-ca-sb-100-registration.html
http://www.ffcars.com/forums/50-insurance-registration-discussions/456649-ca-dmv-couple-questions-registration-sb100.html
http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showthread.php?19202-California-DMV-Registration-Process

To do a search, use the format like this from your browser:
site:http://thefactoryfiveforum.com SB100 or
site:http://ffcars.com California registration , or any search term you want. This is the best way to search for anything on the forums (Thanks EdwardB). There are bunches of threads on the California SB100 title and registration process.

Other good sources I found:
http://bauerltd.com/the-magical-sb100-registering-your-car-in-california/
http://www.replicarclub.com/Newsletters/Tech_articles/Registering_your_car_in_California.pdf

AskTheRef.org is the BAR site (or at least “a” BAR site). This site https://www.bar.ca.gov/Consumer/Verify_License.html , or a google search for Brake and Light inspections will get you a station for those.

Prior to the actual application, I downloaded DMV form REG 343 (Application for Title or Registration https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/wcm/connect/8c4e5fdb-a44e-44f6-853b-eabd471afdaa/reg343.pdf?MOD=AJPERES ), and REG 5036 ( Statement of Construction https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/wcm/connect/525c2281-1bf4-491a-8daf-db19a06ca226/reg5036.pdf?MOD=AJPERES ). With the aid of my receipts and MSO (Manufacturers Statement of Origin), I filled out these forms the best I could.

[boat737]

My SB100, California Title and Registration Process Part 2 -- The first visit to the DMV

On 1/5/2017 I went to the DMV in San Pedro, without an appointment. I showed up at 7:15, 45 minutes before the doors were opened at 8:00am. I was 7th in line. I started the process at a few minutes past eight, and by 9:40 I was walking out with the DMV forms, receipts, and the SB100 sequence number. The actual SB100 sequence number certificate is mailed and shows up in about 10 days or two weeks, but the DMV clerk will tell you what your number is before you leave.

Since I bought my kit from a private party, I had to write down on form REG 256 (Statement of Facts https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/wcm/connect/5a40cbcc-a9a9-4a42-ac43-a8564fa552c0/reg256.pdf?MOD=AJPERES ) that I bought an unassembled kit, took delivery of parts, and the car was not driven. So if you have any special notes like that you can down load that form as well.

The DMV partially fills out another form, REG 124 (a multi-part carbon copy form, you cannot download that one), which the CHP will use to assign the VIN.

I paid the fees and CA Use Tax, and I was given an “incomplete” registration, along with a 60 day temporary license to drive the car. The instructions on this registration itemized the following three inspections to complete the process: A smog certification, a CHP VIN assignment and major components verification, and a brake and light inspection. The note about the smog was very vague and didn’t specify who or where to go, but the DMV person said to take it to a BAR site (didn’t mention anything about a referee, I’ll have to check on that.)

Work on the car stopped for the month of January since I had to go out of town and was tied up with job training. February was sporadic as well. In retrospect, it would have been better to wait on starting the DMV registration process, but my type-A wiring in me just couldn’t wait on getting the SPCNS (SB100) sequence number. I know it’s a non-issue these days, and that the state will have plenty of numbers, probably throughout the rest of the year, but I wanted to at least start the whole big process. Oh well, it’s done and started now.

I called the CHP to check on appointment dates, and they were only running a week out, so I waited to make my actual CHP VIN and components verification appointment. During this first call, the officer did say I needed to have the body on, so that pushed back the process, since I have to get through my school and couldn’t get the body on until mid-February.

More in a month or so when I have time to get the body and lights on and other appointments scheduled.

[duncalope]

Thank you for the detail!

[boat737]

My SB100, California Title and Registration Process Part 3A -- The CHP inspection

After a few cancellations (due to work and weather), I finally got my CHP VIN verification and assignment. The appointment is set up for a 2 hour process, but I was out in just under an hour.

To start, it is by appointment only, and it seems to be hit and miss as to how far out you have to wait for an appointment. The first time I tried, it was only running a few days out, but by the time I finally got my last appointment scheduled, I had to wait about 2 1/2 weeks. I was told to make copies of everything I had (all DMV forms, certificate of origin, all receipts-for the major components anyway, my drivers license, and certificate of sequence-the SB100 SPCNS number.) I was told to bring all originals and all the copies. Of course I forgot about my drivers license and didn't have a copy of that, but he smiled and said he would take care of that one. He looked over all the original documents for about 3 or 4 minutes, then looked at the car for 10 minutes or so. He looked at the FFR frame number, and asked if there was any other place, besides the driver side cross member, that the frame number was stamped. To my knowledge there is not, so that's what I told him. He seemed to know right where that frame number was stamped, so he may have been familiar with these cars.

He caught me off guard a bit by asking what the standard Horse Power rating is on the car, because he saw on the certificate of origin (I think) a note from FFR that if the car has more than the standard H.P. then it is to be used offroad only. At that point I thought I was screwed, because he's looking right at my brand new 427, and I know, that he knows how much H.P. is in that sucker. But again, he just smiled and moved on. Whew...

He didn't look at the engine block number, or transmission number, or any other number, so I guess he just took those numbers off of the receipts.

After that 10 minutes, he said it would be about 35 minutes to run the frame and component numbers in the databases. Almost to the exact minute, 35 minutes later, he walked out with the DMV form REG 124 (which the DMV partially fills out) completed with the VIN number. He used the FFR frame number as the VIN, which was nice, but not necessarily required. He said that since FFR has a unique number, that suffices. He also noted the dollar amount of the sum of the receipts that I took in, and mentioned that the DMV may collect additional fees on amounts above what I already had. He didn't really say if it was labor, or additional parts or what, so that will probably be another surprise by the DMV later.

The last thing he mentioned, was that it would be a good idea if I were to find one or two other inconspicuous spots to stamp or engrave the the VIN, to help identify it in case of theft. I'm thinking maybe do the same on the major components like the engine, trans, rear end too.

With the new VIN, while sitting in the truck in front of the CHP office, I called the BAR and was lucky enough to get an appointment the same day. More on that when I get home from the BAR.

[slpro1207]

Thanks for posting your experience. I will be facing this same thing in SoCal soon and had a lot of questions about it.

[boat737]

My SB100, California Title and Registration Process Part 3B -- The BAR inspection

The closest BAR to my house did not have any appointment times for a week, but the one in Huntington Beach had an opening in 3 hours. So a leisurely 40 mile drive later I was waiting for my BAR inspection.

From the start, I got the impression that, again, I was screwed. Not that the referee was grumpy or surly, but he certainly was not happy or jovial. A permanent semi-scowl on his face, not mean or nasty, just quiet and hard to read. First thing he asked was if I had my Brake and Light inspections done yet, and I did not. He then hem's and haw's and tells me the BAR inspection is generally done AFTER the VIN, light, and brake inspections. I thought at that point he was going just walk away and not do it, but he stood there a bit longer, in silence. Since I trailer-ed it to the referee station, he asked me if I could get it off the trailer. Being as low as it is, I barely got it on in the first place, and wasn't looking forward to trying to get it off without tearing something up. I told him I could, but it's going to be a pain. Again, a non committal groan (or was it a grunt) and then he disappeared back to his office. Oh, he did comment about something on the paperwork, "in case it doesn't pass." In case it doesn't pass? Now I'm getting worried.

About now another fellow drives up with a question on a CHP noise citation that he got, and my inspector told him to come back after he gets an appointment, because he is all backed up today, and quote, "this one is going to take some time", meaning my inspection. OK, now I'm definitely worried.

Without any fanfare, he had me sign a couple of forms (authorization to work on my car.) He disappeared for another 10 or 15 minutes, in which case I still wasn't sure how this was going to turn out. He came back and told me to take the air cleaner off. He looked at the fitting that connects to the PS breather to the air cleaner, then he looked at the PVC valve in the DS valve cover. Next he told me to start it. After 2 or 3 seconds, he said to shut it off. That was it for the inspection part.

He went back to his office for another 15 or 20 minutes before finally coming out and have me sign two more of the same forms I'd already signed. At some point, he came out and asked if I wanted to smog it by "Body style", and I said yes. (the other alternative is to do it by "engine block year", which is another whole ball of worms. Doing the BAR smog by body style is the best way to go for these SB-100 SPCNS, but it's your choice. See the links in post #1.) Another 10 minutes or so, (to my great relief) he showed me two completed forms that I was to take back to the DMV. I passed. Up until that moment, I wasn't sure I was going to.

Lastly, he had to put a smog exempt sticker someplace on that car that was not removable. About the only place away from the heat, fluids, and fumes is the firewall. I wanted to put it in the footbox someplace, but there was no place where there is no insulation. He didn't really like that idea anyway. So the firewall it is. Two things when he put it on: 1-he didn't clean the area off, and 2-he put it on crooked. Crooked, as in not level. There goes my OCD going off, and I can't even see it while I'm driving. But I know it's there, crooked.

Before I left, he warned me in no uncertain terms to not clean the sticker with ANY fluids. No cleaners, solvents, or even moisture of any kind. The sticker is not real permanent, and can be easily destroyed with chemicals. He suggested to get a plastic cover and mount over the sticker to keep it clean. I think I will go one step further and make an aluminum plate to cover up that gawd-awful crooked sticker completely. A few nutcerts and 6-32 screws and it will be easily removable in case some official actually wants to see the ridiculously skewed and not level sticker. Did I mention the sticker is not straight?

Bottom line, I got my BAR inspection completed, but it took an agonizing 1 hour and 45 minutes. Next up is the brake and light inspection. That is tomorrow's project.

[Railroad]

Congratulations. Well written, I was suffering with you.

[Jdav]

Did I mention the sticker is not straight?
You could always take the car apart and rebuild it all askew :D

[boat737]

You could always take the car apart and rebuild it all askew :D

It was all I could do, and it took all my skills, to not do that the first time. But I like the way you think. BTW, the sign in my garage says, "We do precision guesswork".

[Straversi]

What are the dimensions of the sticker? Thinking of having that plastic window pre made and maybe give here guy a target area for the sticker in advance. Might just upset him though..

[boat737]

What are the dimensions of the sticker? Thinking of having that plastic window pre made and maybe give here guy a target area for the sticker in advance. Might just upset him though..

It's 4 x 2-3/8 inches. Of course that is adjusting for the un-straight, skewed, crooked, cockeyed, awry, and twisted sticker that I have.

I'm on the east side of the hill. Where you at? and do you mean #8969 on your signature?

[boat737]

My SB100, California Title and Registration Process Part 3C -- The Brake and light inspections

Today was the Brake and Light inspections. Once again, I thought this would be a breeze, but no. The big glitch I had was my own doing though. I forgot to mount the license plate light. Again, I trailered the car to the brake and light inspection shop.

The brake inspection was pretty much just that, a visual inspection. All good. The lights went fine, till he asked me about my license plate light. Oh crap. I have been putting that off due to the fact that the little hump in the MK4 trunk is a little low, and a little off center. I was going to "have the body man fix that". (Sorry Bat). The wires were there, just no bracket/light. I offered to hook up a test light to the wire, but he said no. I said I could go get it and hook it up to see it light up, but he said it needed to be mounted to the car. So home I go, make a crappy little bracket to screw into the hole where the trunk latch handle goes, and then used two wire nuts to hook up the two wires. Back to the shop, and one final visual look and all was good. He also said that the backup/reverse light is required too, so I'm glad I went to all the trouble to put that on.

Another big time consumer of the whole deal was that the inspector/mechanic did not no how to enter the year of the car, or the model of the car. Of the dozen or so pieces of paper I have collected for this title and registration project, I think you could find about a dozen different model names, and a few different years. We finally decided on model year of 2017, which I think is correct for the CA DMV, and something like SPCNS 1965 Cobra Replica as the model. No one really knows for sure. I suggested Roadster, but he wanted something off of an official piece of paper. We found that one on the BAR certificate I think. So there ya go.

From start to finish, it took in the neighborhood of 1 hour and 45 minutes. It would have been 45 minutes without my trip home in the middle, and probably 15 minutes if we (he) knew how to fill out the forms with the proper info.

I drove by the DMV just now, and the line was out the door, so I think I will get going early tomorrow, and walk in without and appointment, and see if I can get this paper project done and finished. Stand by.

On another note, the inspector today really studied my BAR/smog exemption sticker. I would like to think he was figuring out how to fill out his brake and lamp forms, but deep down I think he was mesmerized and dumbfounded by the way the sticker was placed on the firewall. Crooked! Then again, maybe not.

[Boydster]

This car will forever be known as The One With The Crooked Smog Sticker, even if it's covered up. ;)

Glad to see you're almost there...

[boat737]

This car will forever be known as The One With The Crooked Smog Sticker, even if it's covered up. ;)

Glad to see you're almost there...

I know. I KNOW! A real pisser it is.

[Straversi]

Also on the east side. PM me. Love to see our build. And yes, my signature line was wrong. Should have been 8901. 4969 was just the Stewart shipping number apparently.

-Steve

[weendoggy]

This car will forever be known as The One With The Crooked Smog Sticker, even if it's covered up. ;)

Glad to see you're almost there...

A long time ago when I had mine done at BAR, I didn't like the location either. So, when I got home, I took out my heat gun, removed it slowly, and put it in another spot out of sight (and straight). Then put a coat of epoxy over it. No harm, no foul.

[boat737]

A long time ago when I had mine done at BAR, I didn't like the location either. So, when I got home, I took out my heat gun, removed it slowly, and put it in another spot out of sight (and straight). Then put a coat of epoxy over it. No harm, no foul.

Now you got my attention. PM with the details and specifics on how, what epoxy, etc. Did you have to use anything to get it to re stick itself?

[boat737]

My SB100, California Title and Registration Process Part 4 -- The second trip to the DMV

I went to the DMV first thing today, without an appointment. I got there an hour and 20 minutes prior to opening at 9:00 am, and the line was already 20 deep. By the time the doors opened, there were probably 20 more in the appointment line.

The good news is, it didn't take THAT long, and I am finished. (well, except for the part when the personalized plate comes in and I have to go back and have that assigned.)

So I actually started at 9:15, and was walking out the door at 10:00 with new registration, title, and plates. She kept most everything I had accumulated: receipts, the MSO, the inspection certificates, and DMV forms. Yesterday I stopped off at FedEx Office and made copies of everything, so at least I have copies of the whole thing.

Now the bad news. She did add everything all up and charged me another $1859 in more taxes. I half expected that, but I also sort of thought that they had already gotten the engine, trans, etc stuff on the first visit, and it was even tallied on one of their forms. But she was sure that the only tax I had paid so far was on the FFR kit only. Bummer.

Oh well, it's still a pretty big hurdle to get done, and I'm happy about that. Ya just never know how bad it's going to be when you have to work with the government. I have to say, it wasn't an easy or flawless process, but I held my nose and managed to get through it "one step at a time" as they say. (Who are they that say that's what they say?) Considering this is California, It's actually pretty doable.

[boat737]

I did make up a little SB100 checklist if anyone is interested. Tried to upload the .pdf, but this site will not let me.

Review Forums and threads, gather info and ideas
Obtain Manufacturer’s statement of origin (MSO)
Obtain Receipt/Invoice for Motor
Obtain Receipt/Invoice for Transmission
Obtain Receipts/Invoices for major components
Obtain/Download DMV Form REG 343, Application for Title-Registration
Obtain/Download DMV Form REG 5036, Statement of Construction
Obtain/Download DMV Form REG 256, Statement of Facts (if needed)
1st DMV visit-Request to Register Specially Constructed Vehicle, or SPCNS
Pay fees and tax (Tax may be deferred til end?)
Obtain SB100 Sequence Number, Local DMV office calls Sacramento, verbal only
Obtain Temporary Registration, the pink window tag
Obtain partially completed DMV Form REG 124, the CHP will complete
Leave DMV with Receipts/Invoices, DMV Forms, and Sequence Number all together
Receive SB100 Sequence Number in the mail
Make CHP VIN inspection and assignment appointment
Make Brake & Lamp inspection appointment
Make BAR/Referee/Smog inspection appointment
Obtain Insurance (liability, collision, comprehensive?)
Complete CHP VIN inspection and assignment
Complete Brake and Lamp inspection
Complete BAR/Referee/Smog inspection
Make Copies of ALL forms, receipts, paperwork
Final DMV visit-Complete all paperwork
Registration Documents/forms
Temporary Registration Certificate
Brake and Lamp Inspection Certificates
BAR/Referee/Smog Inspection Certificates
DMV Form REG 124 CHP VIN Certificate
DMV Form REG 343, Application for Title-Registration
DMV Form REG 5036, Statement of Construction
DMV Form REG 256, Statement of Facts (if needed)
SB100 Sequence Number SPCNS certificate
Original MSO Certificate
Receipts for all major components (kit, engine, trans, etc.)

[slpro1207]

Congratulations on completing such a drawn out process. I would pay someone big money to do all that for me.

[boat737]

Congratulations on completing such a drawn out process. I would pay someone big money to do all that for me.

I did pay big money. And I still had to do it myself... (Although, the CHP and BAR visits were free. Maybe if the BAR wasn't free, my sticker would be straight.)

[slpro1207]

I am surprised that the BAR and CHP were free. I did not think any state agency in CA would be free. Does Sacramento know they are doing something free. Heads will roll I tell you.

[rezell3d]

When are you coming by to take me for a ride?

[BB767]

I am surprised that the BAR and CHP were free. I did not think any state agency in CA would be free. Does Sacramento know they are doing something free. Heads will roll I tell you.

If I remember right I paid the DMV almost $3000 for this registration process! Nothing is free here in the peoples republic.
Unless of course you do not want to work, then you get lots of free stuff. Sorry, I digress.

(Edit; $3721.00 to be exact.)

[Daddy O]

Do you guys know what % of costs they use to determine total tax amount?

[boat737]

Do you guys know what % of costs they use to determine total tax amount?

No, I really don't know the methods or procedures they use. My first visit was for fees and use tax ($1214), and the last visit they got me for more "taxes" (don't know what taxes, but it was $1859). Bottom line, $3073. The annual renewal is about $340.

[sh1nn3r]

@boat737 when you say Obtain Receipts/Invoices for major components what other major compenets are they looking for?

Obtain Receipt/Invoice for Motor
Obtain Receipt/Invoice for Transmission
Obtain Receipts/Invoices for major components

[boat737]

@boat737 when you say Obtain Receipts/Invoices for major components what other major compenets are they looking for?

Obtain Receipt/Invoice for Motor
Obtain Receipt/Invoice for Transmission
Obtain Receipts/Invoices for major components

During the CHP inspection, the inspector/officer wanted all receipts I had. The big one's were engine, transmission, FFR kit, and some misc ones like the stereo and tires (I think.). Basically he just wants to make sure none of the build is from stolen parts. He takes all the serial numbers and (I assume) runs them through some data base to verify none stolen. In my case, I had to get bills of sale from the original buyer for the rear end, transmission, etc. of my FFR build, since I bought it second hand. The whole visit was less than an hour start to finish.

I would assume, since you bought the car complete, that one bill of sale would suffice. But on the other hand, it would probably be better if that bill of sale listed the VIN, engine serial number, transmission serial number, etc.

[soaringDude]

Thanks for the detailed write-up - huge help! I am about to start the process and reading the report definitely gave me a much better idea of how the process goes.

[Jeff's First FFR]

WOW! Amazing. Here in Florida I can't even TITLE my Mk4 because the state changed the rules in 2020. Used to be a piece of cake. Coulda done it in 30 minutes in 2018 or 2019. Now the manufacturer has to be registered with the state to title the car. FFR is not registered. Car sits in the garage.
I lived in California for 74 years. I shoulda stayed there. I knew about SB100, but I moved to Florida to retire. Shoulda built the car before I left.

Sad Jeff

[NiceGuyEddie]

^^^

Well that's a switch!

[boat737]

From my first exposure to the SB100 process, I always said that it was very uncharacteristic of the CA political atmosphere. It is a bit tedious, but definitely doable and a welcome addition to the DMV procedures for us builders.

Jeff, been following your troubles in FL, but don't lose hope. Where there's a will, there's a way. Keep in touch with F5R, and hopefully between you, F5, and FL DMV you'll get it all done. Then you can pass it all along on the Forum and be a hero to the next guy. All the best.

[Blitzboy54]

What ever happened to the crooked sticker? Did you successfully fix it?

I really need to know.

[boat737]

Ahhh.... The old crooked bar sticker....

Well, I didn't want to try and pull it off, and probably ruin it, so.... I covered it up. Can't even see it. And it's protected from the engine bay elements too. The plate can come off by removing the four screws.

[kato]

Hello to everyone I recently bought a FFR from San Diego area the car has been titled and registered for over 20 years I can not fined any kind of VIN tag on
the car does the CHP attach a vin tag they used the FFR# but in those days FFR was not stamping the frames . I am a little concerned about this . It did come from a licensed dealer and there is some what of a paper trail so don't think there is any funny business going on .
Thanks for the great thread
Kato

[boat737]

I'm not positive, but when the CHP assigns a VIN with no other frame number, they attached (by rivets I believe) a small blue metal tag with the VIN. Check all around the engine bay, and under the dash on a frame cross member. Possibly in the door frame area.

[kato]

Thanks for the response .I have looked everywhere I can think of no tag do you think I should call CHP ? don't want to open a can of worms that can't be closed.

I have spoken to the dealer they won't be back in the shop until 1/4 /21 they are porsche restorer so I'm hoping they have some experience with sort of thing

Thanks again
Kato

[acmikee]

the ffr number is located on the drivers side rear wheel well inside the square tubing between the seat and tire you have to remove the tire to see it its actually welded in not stamped they have never issued a VIN number

[kato]

OK thanks I will see if I can find it
Kato

[rich grsc]

the ffr number is located on the drivers side rear wheel well inside the square tubing between the seat and tire you have to remove the tire to see it its actually welded in not stamped they have never issued a VIN number

Only on the early cars, anything Mk3 and up, are under the dash on the drivers side

[KGTM]

The FFR frame number does not mean anything even if you find it and my guess CHP will not issue the blue one without that frame number since this has to match the documentation.

CHP told me to place the Blue tag in engine bay some where that is not in plan site and you can only find it if you know where it is, but should still be readable, so if this was registered, look for somewhere not in plain sight. it may be dirty and covered after 20 years.

[B Campbell]

Thanks for posting the SB100 check list. this is just what I was looking for as I'm ready to order my Type 65 Daytona Coupe from FFR and did not know what the process was for getting it registered here in California your adventure at the DMV dose not surprise me at all. from what I gather from all of your post`s is that I should not even consider applying for an SB100 until my Car is ready to run and drive and I have all my receipts for the major components?

[boat737]

Thanks for posting the SB100 check list. this is just what I was looking for as I'm ready to order my Type 65 Daytona Coupe from FFR and did not know what the process was for getting it registered here in California your adventure at the DMV dose not surprise me at all. from what I gather from all of your post`s is that I should not even consider applying for an SB100 until my Car is ready to run and drive and I have all my receipts for the major components?

I would agree with that. I did mine just before the go-kart stage. If you are planning on driving in gel coat for a while then that would be a good time. No big hurry, it seems there are lots of excess SB100 slots these days.

[B Campbell]

That`s good to hear.

[DSR-3]

And the DMV was easy on extending the date of temporary tags. I think I drove for most of a year on them.

[Fman]

I am starting my SB process Thursday, fingers crossed everything goes good...

[dlud]

I was at San Luis Obispo dmv 2/2/21 for my GTM SB100 registration. Took an hour. They gave me two permits, one to go to CHP for vin issuance and one to go to BAR for smog. No permit for brakes/lights check (?). They did not give a sequence number and said that they would not do that until CHP issued a vin #. Due to Covid the CHP in my area wouldn't give me an appointment to inspect and issue a vin until today.
After an hour or so the vin # was assigned. They used the serial # that appears on the FFR tag/manufacturers certificate of origin.

BAR was then contacted to make an appointment for smog. They said I had to go back to dmv and get the sequence number now that I had a serial number assigned.
So, a couple of variances from what others have experienced but all in all not too bad.

For the initial dmv appointment have all of your documents ready and be prepared to show what you have and have not paid for sales tax. You will pay it at that time (FFR didn't charge sales tax so I had to pay the tax on the kit at the time of the initial appointment.

[Fman]

I was at San Luis Obispo dmv 2/2/21 for my GTM SB100 registration. Took an hour. They gave me two permits, one to go to CHP for vin issuance and one to go to BAR for smog. No permit for brakes/lights check (?). They did not give a sequence number and said that they would not do that until CHP issued a vin #. Due to Covid the CHP in my area wouldn't give me an appointment to inspect and issue a vin until today.
After an hour or so the vin # was assigned. They used the serial # that appears on the FFR tag/manufacturers certificate of origin.

BAR was then contacted to make an appointment for smog. They said I had to go back to dmv and get the sequence number now that I had a serial number assigned.
So, a couple of variances from what others have experienced but all in all not too bad.

For the initial dmv appointment have all of your documents ready and be prepared to show what you have and have not paid for sales tax. You will pay it at that time (FFR didn't charge sales tax so I had to pay the tax on the kit at the time of the initial appointment.

Thanks for that info, I have all my engine, trans, and FFR purchase receipts. Did you actually get assigned a SB #? if yes where are they at right now? I know they only allow 500 each year. I can't believe with all the superformance, backdraft, etc. cars out there they don't fill up each year. Apparently they have not hit 500 for quite awhile...glad I am starting mine this week early in the year, figured I would get it locked in.

[dlud]

Thanks for that info, I have all my engine, trans, and FFR purchase receipts. Did you actually get assigned a SB #? if yes where are they at right now? I know they only allow 500 each year. I can't believe with all the superformance, backdraft, etc. cars out there they don't fill up each year. Apparently they have not hit 500 for quite awhile...glad I am starting mine this week early in the year, figured I would get it locked in.

Not yet. I'm heading down to dmv this morning to get the sequence #. My understanding is the same as yours: they generally don't fill up. I seem to recall that they have never maxed out except for perhaps the first year or so. Not sure where that information came from however.

[kobra01]

Going through this process myself.

Went to dmv with initial documents ready. Paid some sales tax. They gave me Reg 124 vin assignment form to take to chp.

Got vin assignment (took about a month) Got brake/light inspection and went back to dmv.

dmv issued sb100 certificate number. Should be lots left. Waited about 8 weeks for the sb100 certificate to come in the mail. Bar would not inspect car until I had certificate in hand.

Got certificate and called bar. Because of covid they now do a virtual inspection before you can get the final inspection. I had to create PDF files for all receipts, all forms used, a statement of facts, pictures of the car during the build process to prove that I built a car from a kit and email them to bar. They looked at all receipts including labor and determined I needed to pay more sales tax. Bar said we know that it costs 60k to 65k to build one of these cars so I owed more sales tax. Bar made me go back to dmv to pay additional sales tax before I could schedule final inspection. This virtual process took just over a month to get approval.

Called bar and have final inspection next week.

I'm exhausted and frustrated. I hope final goes well with no more surprises.

Hope this recap helps.

[Hoooper]

8 weeks to get the certificate # to go to BAR?? Dang I guess I need to get this started sooner than I thought. So did you get 3 moving permits good for 60 days, which expired while you were waiting for the sb100 certificate or did they give you something different?

[Hoooper]

On Reg 343, what does the DMV recommend entering for vehicle make, year model, model/series, and body type? Do you enter Factory five 1965 roadster, or something else?

[dlud]

Interesting. After getting my serial # yesterday (CHP used the FFR #), I returned to dmv to get my sequence # so I could make my BAR appointment. Dmv says you need the brake/lights inspection first. (First I head of that). So...I received two new drive permits: one to go to get the brakes/lights inspected and one for BAR. So, it looks like: brakes/lights inspected; return to dmv for sequence #; deal with BAR, return to dmv for, hopefully the last time.
Regarding the sales taxes, the forms only require itemization of the "major component parts." Surprising that they would force you to come up with more receipts.
I'm glad I went to law school.

[dlud]

On Reg 343, what does the DMV recommend entering for vehicle make, year model, model/series, and body type? Do you enter Factory five 1965 roadster, or something else?

Not sure what dmv requires. I listed Factory Five as the make, GTM as model, body type as coupe. I used 1964 as the year. DMV didn't quibble with me at our first visit.

[Fman]

Going through this process myself.

Went to dmv with initial documents ready. Paid some sales tax. They gave me Reg 124 vin assignment form to take to chp.

Got vin assignment (took about a month) Got brake/light inspection and went back to dmv.

dmv issued sb100 certificate number. Should be lots left. Waited about 8 weeks for the sb100 certificate to come in the mail. Bar would not inspect car until I had certificate in hand.

Got certificate and called bar. Because of covid they now do a virtual inspection before you can get the final inspection. I had to create PDF files for all receipts, all forms used, a statement of facts, pictures of the car during the build process to prove that I built a car from a kit and email them to bar. They looked at all receipts including labor and determined I needed to pay more sales tax. Bar said we know that it costs 60k to 65k to build one of these cars so I owed more sales tax. Bar made me go back to dmv to pay additional sales tax before I could schedule final inspection. This virtual process took just over a month to get approval.

Called bar and have final inspection next week.

I'm exhausted and frustrated. I hope final goes well with no more surprises.

Hope this recap helps.

What engine do you have? I was told you must have enclosed PCV system to pass BAR inspection. Thanks for posting this up, helpful to hear all different experiences. It will all be worth it when your done jumping through the hoops.

[kobra01]

They initially gave me the 2 temp permits. I think because of covid and everything being so slow and because I was very selective on when I would go and stand in line for an hour at dmv, they gave me a 2 or 3 month temp registration and when that one ran out they gave me another 2 or 3 month temp.

On Reg 343 the virtual inspection person made me change to vehicle make = SPCNS. Year Model = 2020. Model = MK4 Roadster. Body type = Roadster, 2 Door

I have a Ford Performance 427W. I have a breather from valve cover to bottom of air cleaner base and the other valve cover has a PCV valve going to carb. We will see how it goes next week with bar.

[Fman]

They initially gave me the 2 temp permits. I think because of covid and everything being so slow and because I was very selective on when I would go and stand in line for an hour at dmv, they gave me a 2 or 3 month temp registration and when that one ran out they gave me another 2 or 3 month temp.

On Reg 343 the virtual inspection person made me change to vehicle make = SPCNS. Year Model = 2020. Model = MK4 Roadster. Body type = Roadster, 2 Door

I have a Ford Performance 427W. I have a breather from valve cover to bottom of air cleaner base and the other valve cover has a PCV valve going to carb. We will see how it goes next week with bar.

Once they issue you the temp permit you can legally drive the car? Do they issue you a temp license plate or a sticker for the windshield?

[kobra01]

If they will give you a temp permit for 1/2/3 months you can drive every day. It's a red piece of paper that you can tape to windshield.

[dlud]

What engine do you have? I was told you must have enclosed PCV system to pass BAR inspection. Thanks for posting this up, helpful to hear all different experiences. It will all be worth it when your done jumping through the hoops.

I have a LS6. It has all the emission stuff on it except egr so it should be an easy pass (gulp) with BAR.

[dlud]

Dmv gave me one day permits that really only allow driving to/from the designated destination. Each of the permits I have are specific, i.e., CHP, brake/lights, BAR. THe permits are good for one day and are only valid for sixty days from date of issuance.

[Ron J]

It has taken me 5 years to complete building my Gen 2 Type 65 Coupe. On this build I decided to complicate my work by:
1. Performing my own body work and paint.
2. Installing of a tilt steering column. This required a complete redesign of the dashboard to accommodate the tilt column.
3. Installing door poppers w/ remote control.
4. Installing a touch screen monitor with phone link to my cell phone and a backup camera
5. Convert all lighting to LED.
The only work I farmed out was:
1. Application of Ceramic Film to Hatch Glass and Windshield.
2. Installation of windshield w/o rubber trim.
3. Alignment of front and rear wheels.
4. Engine build, I purchased a 347 Stroker from the Engine Factory (equipped with Atomic EFI, roller valve train, March Serpentine Pulley system).

i just completed the California Title and Registration process for this project. I thought I would share my experience. The process was started on Dec 10, 2020 and fully completed on March 10, 2021. My SB100 Certificate Number (2020180) was assigned on Dec 30, 2020. the chronology of my experience follows.


12/10/2020: Submitted the following to DMV:

Application for Title or Registration (REG 343)
Statement of Construction (REG 5036)
Manufacturer Statement of Origin from Factory Five Racing;
Receipts for Major Components (Factory Five Racing, Engine Factory, Tremec TKO600 Transmission, Amazon (for the tires)). DMV fees and use tax are based on the total of these values.
A temporary “non-certified” Vehicle Identification Number (VIN) was created
An SB100 Certificate of Sequence was not issued because a certified VIN is required.


12/11/2020: Obtained insurance based on the FFR assigned Serial Number.
12/18/2020:

Obtained Brake and Lamp Inspection Certificates
For reference I studied the STATE OF CALIFORNIA HANDBOOK FOR LAMP ADJUSTERS AND STATIONS (Lighting requirements are based on the year of the car body, 1965 Daytona Coupe) to ensure my car would pass.
Drove to DMV to present Brake and Lamp Inspection Certificates. At this visit I was given a 60 day Temporary Operating Permit.


12/20/2020: Emailed the East Sacramento California Highway Patrol requesting an appointment for FFR Serial Number Verification and Vehicle Number Assignment (VIN).
12/30/2020:

Met with CHP Officer at the East Sacramento California Highway Patrol. Inspection was completed and they attached a VIN plate to the chassis. They completed DMV Reg 124 for me to present to the DMV.
Drove to DMV and presented the completed CHP Inspection Report (DMV Reg 124). DMV updated paperwork to reflect new “certified” VIN. At this visit I was assigned an SB100 Sequence Certificate No. 2020180.
Called the BAR Referee (Ask the Ref > Home (https://asktheref.org/)) to make an appointment. Was advised they wouldn’t make an appointment until I received the actual SB100 Sequent Certificate from the DMV.
Contacted my insurance company to change coverage from the FFR Serial Number to the VIN.


01/19/2021: Received in the mail the SPCNS CERTIFICATE OF SEQUENCE 2020180
01/20/2021: Called the BAR Referee (800-622-7733) to schedule an appointment for inspection. The BAR requires a telephone appointment prior to station visit to ensure all paperwork is in order. Appt. was scheduled for Feb 8 at 7:10AM.
02/08/2021: Telephone appointment with BAR Referee. He requested scanned copies of all documents submitted to the DMV, pictures of the car and in particular the engine bay showing a closed loop PCV system. All docs and pics were emailed to the Referee.
02/11/2021: Received email from the BAR Referee informing me I was cleared to schedule and appointment with the BAR. Called the BAR and made an inspection appointment for Feb 18, 2021.
02/18/2021: Appointment with BAR Referee, no issues and received SB100 Certificate. The inspector was gracious enough to allow me to attach the certificate in a location of my choosing.
02/22/2021: Drove to DMV office to complete the registration process. Received my license plates and was told the Title and Registration documents would be mailed.
03/10/2021: Received Title and Registration docs in the mail. This process is now complete. It took 3 months from start to finish and 4 visits to the DMV.

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[dlud]

Great write-up. Interesting that a temporary registration is available after the brake/light inspection. That would be helpful as the sixty day one use permits may not be sufficient to get the job done requiring yet more visits to the dmv.
I started the process on 2/2; obtained my serial number on 3/8, will have brake/light inspection next week then back to dmv to obtain the sequence # and then start the BAR process.

[Ron J]

Great write-up. Interesting that a temporary registration is available after the brake/light inspection. That would be helpful as the sixty day one use permits may not be sufficient to get the job done requiring yet more visits to the dmv.
I started the process on 2/2; obtained my serial number on 3/8, will have brake/light inspection next week then back to dmv to obtain the sequence # and then start the BAR process.

the DMV wouldn't grant a Temporary Operating Permit until brakes and lamps were inspected. I was told by the DMV personnel they wanted the brakes and lamps inspected before allowing the car on the highway.

[Mark K]

Always amazes me how different the process works depending on where you are in the state. I sailed through the process with Placerville DMV and completed it in 3-4 weeks. That said, it was June 2019, no Covid, and before they started charging labor hours (at least they didn't charge me - I don't know about others at this time).

Fman, you got your answer on the sequence number. Ron got his at the end of December, and it was only #180.

- m

[dlud]

Huh. And I've now received four one day permits without a brake/light inspection.

[Fman]

I went down today and started my SB 100 process. Got there at 7:55am and they open at 8. Line was around the building... I just had the mindset I was going to spend a lot of time at the DMV today. It took me about one hour to make it to a window inside. The first three people I spoke with had no idea what the SB 100 process even was... deer in the headlights... I thought ok... have a good attitude and keep smiling. So finally employee number four was a winner. Thank goodness because I was about to pack up and head to another DMV. This guy knew about the process and was able to get me going. We went through all the receipts, car value, made copies of everything and I wrote the DMV a big fat check. I got a 60 day temporary permit to drive the car. I don't officially have a VIN number until I get the CHP inspection done. I have appointment with the CHP on April 15 to have the VIN inspection done, then I head back to the DMV and they will enter the VIN and also assign me my SB number. From there I need to get the brake and light inspection done and make appointment with the BAR. The BAR wont allow you to make appointment until you have your SB number.

It took about three hours, some patience but overall not too bad of experience. One hoop down a three more to jump through to become registered. I was also able to secure my Legacy plate as well.

[richtersand]

I wrote the DMV a big fat check.

What is the fee? % of receipts?

[Fman]

What is the fee? % of receipts?

Whatever sales tax you have not paid on your receipts. I had already paid taxes on my engine and transmission, my check was due for the FFR receipt. They also hit you with car registration and other fees.

The total check was $2,896

CURR RF $61
CURR CHP $28
CURR VLF $310
CURR FID $1
CURR AIR QLT $6
ALT FUEL RF $3
TIF $165
USE TAX $2320
RLP FEE $1

Lots of sunshine taxes in there :D

[dlud]

I went down today and started my SB 100 process. Got there at 7:55am and they open at 8. Line was around the building... I just had the mindset I was going to spend a lot of time at the DMV today. It took me about one hour to make it to a window inside. The first three people I spoke with had no idea what the SB 100 process even was... deer in the headlights... I thought ok... have a good attitude and keep smiling. So finally employee number four was a winner. Thank goodness because I was about to pack up and head to another DMV. This guy knew about the process and was able to get me going. We went through all the receipts, car value, made copies of everything and I wrote the DMV a big fat check. I got a 60 day temporary permit to drive the car. I don't officially have a VIN number until I get the CHP inspection done. I have appointment with the CHP on April 15 to have the VIN inspection done, then I head back to the DMV and they will enter the VIN and also assign me my SB number. From there I need to get the brake and light inspection done and make appointment with the BAR. The BAR wont allow you to make appointment until you have your SB number.

It took about three hours, some patience but overall not too bad of experience. One hoop down a three more to jump through to become registered. I was also able to secure my Legacy plate as well.

I would get the brake/light inspection before you go back to dmv. I just went through this and dmv would not issue a sequence # until that is done.

[Fman]

I would get the brake/light inspection before you go back to dmv. I just went through this and dmv would not issue a sequence # until that is done.

Thanks I will do that, how was it? Simple brake, tail, hazards, etc...?

[dlud]

Thanks I will do that, how was it? Simple brake, tail, hazards, etc...?

My inspection is next week. From what I can tell there is some variance among inspection stations in terms of the detail: https://www.ffcars.com/threads/q-what-happens-at-a-ca-brake-and-light-inspection.156016/

[bobm488]

The tail light inspection for my car was pretty simple, about 30 mins. They adjusted the head light for an additional fee.

[DSR-3]

Shop around for a reasonable inspection station. Some are way overpriced.

[Hoooper]

Ok my turn, I checked in today and paid my fees. I was thiiiiis close to getting a temp operating permit but against my suggestion they called Sacramento to get a sequence number, which led to them tossing that operating permit they had nicely prepared for me. Oh well, off to brake and light and chp inspection

[Fman]

Ok my turn, I checked in today and paid my fees. I was thiiiiis close to getting a temp operating permit but against my suggestion they called Sacramento to get a sequence number, which led to them tossing that operating permit they had nicely prepared for me. Oh well, off to brake and light and chp inspection

Crazy they also called for a sequence number for me and then handed me a 60 day driving permit that can easily be extended. Seems like there is no consistency with this process.

How do they expect you to legally get to all the inspections? How far out was your CHP inspection? Earliest I could get was April 15.

[Hoooper]

Crazy they also called for a sequence number for me and then handed me a 60 day driving permit that can easily be extended. Seems like there is no consistency with this process.

How do they expect you to legally get to all the inspections? How far out was your CHP inspection? Earliest I could get was April 15.

I got a moving permit so I guess the theory is that you get a brake and light inspection and then get the operating permit. My chp appointment is April 8

[dlud]

Crazy they also called for a sequence number for me and then handed me a 60 day driving permit that can easily be extended. Seems like there is no consistency with this process.

How do they expect you to legally get to all the inspections? How far out was your CHP inspection? Earliest I could get was April 15.

I know some have had to return to dmv to get new permits when the earlier ones expired before the inspection. Fortunately I was able to get my CHP inspection within 5 weeks of my initial dmv visit.

[Hoooper]

Was anyone required to have a brake fluid level light, e-brake set light, or reflectors other than those standard in/on the brake light housing? I see it also says daytime running lights which I have, but says they should only be on at night when parked :confused:

[DSR-3]

None of the above for me, but I did get 3 different SB100 numbers...
*Also never got asked about a windshield wiper (that one IS in the rules I think).

[Hoooper]

Reading the brake rulebook it looks like the brake fluid level and e-brake lights shouldnt be required unless equipped on the original cars (doubtful, but I have no idea). Reflectors I have not seen a single car in here within the US with reflectors so I cant imagine that one being required either but it would be just my luck.

[kobra01]

I pasted the final BAR inspection today. All they checked today was PCV closed system. Breather to air cleaner and PCV to carb. I didn't have to show them any paper word. They collect all of that during the virtual inspection. Final DMV visit tomorrow or Friday. I have none of the above. No windshield wipers. They didn't check for backup lights. None of the inspections checked for a functioning parking/emergency brake.

[boat737]

Was anyone required to have a brake fluid level light, e-brake set light, or reflectors other than those standard in/on the brake light housing? I see it also says daytime running lights which I have, but says they should only be on at night when parked :confused:

The brake and light inspector asked me about the parking brake light. Since I installed an electric actuator, I had already designed and wired one in. He did want to see it work. No questions on wipers or reflectors from anybody.

[Fman]

Does anyone know if Superformance, Backdraft and Hillbank use SB 100 slots when they sell a car and need to register it? I just cant believe in CA there are not 500 of these taken up each year with all the kit cars coming out and home builds as well.

[lewma]

https://asktheref.org/Services/Unusual-Vehicles

Perhaps those companies don't qualify for SB100 as they ARE building vehicles for resale ?

[Hoooper]

https://asktheref.org/Services/Unusual-Vehicles

Perhaps those companies don't qualify for SB100 as they ARE building vehicles for resale ?

They do use SB100 numbers. Seems like as far as the law is concerned those cars are no different than having someone build an FFR for you, there is some kind of key that they dont bill you on one receipt for the whole thing, someone else has to do some of the work I guess.

[dlud]

I'm having some difficulty in finding a brake/lighting inspector in the central coast area that has experience inspecting Specially Constructed Vehicles. Has anyone had a brake/lighting inspection anywhere near the central coast?

[Hoooper]

I'm having some difficulty in finding a brake/lighting inspector in the central coast area that has experience inspecting Specially Constructed Vehicles. Has anyone had a brake/lighting inspection anywhere near the central coast?

I had a tough time just searching online, like the DMV suggests, and I eventually found this BAR site that can search by area https://www.bar.ca.gov/services/ard/search.aspx. I would expect you will have to travel a bit to find a place given where you live, my town of 60k people only has 1 shop that is certified

[EZ$]

I went on the DMV site, and there's a way to search for certified Brake & Light inspection stations by city, I think. From there just start contacting shops till you find one that can take care of it. I got lucky and found one about 5 miles from my house. Going there Friday.

[EZ$]

OK, scratch that. It wasn't on the DMV site that I found them. I did a search for DMV certified brake & light inspection stations. As a note, if you can't find one within a reasonable distance, you can have any brake & light shop fill out a form 248? stating that the brakes and lights are operating correctly, and that will be accepted. Sorry for the confusion, and I didn't write down the number of the form, but follow the path on the dmv site to the SPCN section of registration, and you'll find it there.

[dlud]

OK, scratch that. It wasn't on the DMV site that I found them. I did a search for DMV certified brake & light inspection stations. As a note, if you can't find one within a reasonable distance, you can have any brake & light shop fill out a form 248? stating that the brakes and lights are operating correctly, and that will be accepted. Sorry for the confusion, and I didn't write down the number of the form, but follow the path on the dmv site to the SPCN section of registration, and you'll find it there.

I have been using the dmv list of shops, working my way down from closest to most distant. I think I'm on number 6 and have an appointment for Monday so fingers are crossed. The State of California Handbook for Brake Adjusters and Handbook for Light Adjusters (there are two different handbooks) are a must read. Both have sections specifically dealing with Specially Constructed Vehicles and outlining the details of the inspections for those vehicles. https://www.bar.ca.gov/pdf/Brake_Adjuster_Handbook.pdf; https://www.bar.ca.gov/pdf/Lamp_Handbook_9.3.15.pdf.

[Hoooper]

Brake and light inspection completed today. Highly recommend ultimate auto care in Santa Rosa if you're in the area, made it real quick and easy for me.

Edit: forgot to add, I got a temp permit good through end of July (128 days). It seems they just give you whatever length permit they feel like.

[dlud]

Brake and light inspection completed today at Daves Automotive, San Luis Obispo. Nice guys, small shop. Went to dmv, obtained temporary permit for three months and a sequence #. My sequence # is 2021 053. So, unless they are issuing numbers out of order, I wouldn't be too worried about that issue for the foreseeable future.

[Hoooper]

Just got #058 today. Definitely seems like no rush on these this year. CHP gave me grief about not having wipers but ultimately gave me the paperwork and told me to get wipers on it. Weird since nobody else seems to need wipers

[EZ$]

If you want something to really confuse you, I started the registration process back in mid March. Was at DMV on 4/2, after brake & light and CHP inspections, and was issued #504! Not sure how I ended up with a number higher than 500, but I had the girl confirm the number when she gave it to me. As far as I had always read over the years, the numbers are not given out in sequential order, more of a random crap shoot. I guess I'll have to wait for the certificate from Sac DMV to confirm the number. Just happy that after 8+ years I'll finally have plates. Also as a note, no windshield wipers, and no one has made mention of it so far.

[dlud]

If you want something to really confuse you, I started the registration process back in mid March. Was at DMV on 4/2, after brake & light and CHP inspections, and was issued #504! Not sure how I ended up with a number higher than 500, but I had the girl confirm the number when she gave it to me. As far as I had always read over the years, the numbers are not given out in sequential order, more of a random crap shoot. I guess I'll have to wait for the certificate from Sac DMV to confirm the number. Just happy that after 8+ years I'll finally have plates. Also as a note, no windshield wipers, and no one has made mention of it so far.

That is confusing as if it really was #504 you would think that they wouldn't have issued it as they would have maxed out the allotment for the year. Go figure. On a side note, I do have wipers and best I can tell no one ever checked for that at either CHP or brake and light.

[Hoooper]

That is confusing as if it really was #504 you would think that they wouldn't have issued it as they would have maxed out the allotment for the year. Go figure. On a side note, I do have wipers and best I can tell no one ever checked for that at either CHP or brake and light.

Yeah most around here don't have wipers since, let's be honest, it never rains anyway and it certainly doesn't rain unexpectedly. It's in the chp handbook to check for it though. While I was in the office I heard the other officers convincing the officer doing my inspection to just let me have it lol. They were saying something about if I don't want them why should they care. Something i can definitely agree with

[DSR-3]

That is confusing as if it really was #504 you would think that they wouldn't have issued it as they would have maxed out the allotment for the year. Go figure. On a side note, I do have wipers and best I can tell no one ever checked for that at either CHP or brake and light.
I got 3 different SB100 numbers for my 1 car... I hope they make spares!

[dlud]

I got 3 different SB100 numbers for my 1 car... I hope they make spares!

How did that come about?

[ggunter]

Only California would have a 26 page book on adjusting headlights. Guys I feel for ya. I can't believe all the nonsense you have to deal with to get your cars registered and on the road. I thought Maryland was bad. It's a walk in the park compared to CA.

[Fman]

For the peeps who have been the SB100 I have a question hoping to get some help on... I have visited the DMV paid my reg fees and got my sequence number, brake and light inspection done, visiting CHP April 15 for VIN verification. After CHP is done, do I need to return to DMV to get my SB # before I can contact the BAR for the smog inspection? I have been told the BAR will not allow you to make appointment until you have SB # assigned from the DMV? Trying to get clarification on the remaining process.

Thanks...

[Hoooper]

For the peeps who have been the SB100 I have a question hoping to get some help on... I have visited the DMV paid my reg fees and got my sequence number, brake and light inspection done, visiting CHP April 15 for VIN verification. After CHP is done, do I need to return to DMV to get my SB # before I can contact the BAR for the smog inspection? I have been told the BAR will not allow you to make appointment until you have SB # assigned from the DMV? Trying to get clarification on the remaining process.

Thanks...

If you got your sequence number then no, thats the SB100#. Its should be 2021xxx. If you have one of those you are set to get the BAR appointment. If you dont, then you need to go back to the DMV after your CHP inspection.

[DSR-3]

How did that come about?

One at the initial DMV appointment- per he guides "don't leave without it".
When the mail copy arrived 3 weeks later, it was different.
When another mail copy was received for no reason, it was #3 and I used it.

re. California v. Maryland; I don't know what your total requirements are, but the headlight inspection took <2 minutes (and I didn't even read the book!). However, we don't have smog equipment (ex PCV), OBD port, or smog test requirements! Not that bad...

[DSR-3]

I just came across this document again. Kind of late in this thread, but maybe helpful.

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[kobra01]

Fman hope this helps.

I just finished the sb100 process and are now street legal finally.

I think you should:

- get brake light inspection and vin# assignment by chp. Then go to dmv. If you already got your verbal sequence number without going to CHP first that means that they are using the Factory Five vin#. That creates a problem if the CHP requires that you use the CHP California assigned number that they attach a blue plate on your car. Some CHP officers will use the Factory Five vin# and some won't. If you have a problem with that let me know and I can tell you what to do next.
- they will start the sb100 process. Ask them for your sb100 sequence number. I think they have to call sacramento to get it. But the verbal sequence number does do you any good because Bar requires the actual certificate that gets mailed to you.
- wait for sb100 sequence number certificate to come in the mail.
- call Bar and they will walk you through what's required for a Virtual Appointment. I created PDF files and emailed all DMV forms, the sequence number certificate, all receipts for kit, engine, trans, everything you spent money on and labor costs so that they can determine the value of your car that you will have to pay tax on. They also wanted progress pictures during the build to prove that you actually built it.
- If the fees you already paid match the value determined from the virtual inspection you are okay. If not you have to go back to DMV to pay additional fees.
- after you pass the virtual inspection and all fees paid then you call Bar for an on-site inspsection. All they looked at was the closed ventilation system. Valve cover breather to air cleaner and pcv valve to carb. They will slap a sticker on your car.
- Then for the last time back to DMV for your plates and registration.

SIMPLE right?

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[Hoooper]

How long was everyones wait between verbal SB100 # at the DMV and receiving the actual certificate in the mail?

[kobra01]

Mine was about 8 weeks. Maybe a little faster now that covid seems like it is winding down a little bit.

[Fman]

Went to CHP today and they assigned me my CA VIN, stamped alum panel under my dash and then I hit the DMV and they officially gave me my sequence number which is 2021064, a friend of mine went after me and got 65. So they must be at #65 for the SB 100 slots right now. Just waiting for the sequence number to arrive in the mail now and then I can schedule my smog inspection with BAR and get my plates. I did get a temporary driving permit until August 1st so that should let me take the car for a few burns every now and then;)

[Mark K]

Congrats! See you at C&C this Saturday? :-)

[BB767]

Feelin’ your pride man. Beautiful job. The hard part is done, now go enjoy it!

[dlud]

Went to CHP today and they assigned me my CA VIN, stamped alum panel under my dash and then I hit the DMV and they officially gave me my sequence number which is 2021064, a friend of mine went after me and got 65. So they must be at #65 for the SB 100 slots right now. Just waiting for the sequence number to arrive in the mail now and then I can schedule my smog inspection with BAR and get my plates. I did get a temporary driving permit until August 1st so that should let me take the car for a few burns every now and then;)

I'm interested to know how long it takes for dmv-Sacramento to issue the certificate with the sequence number. My local dmv provided my sequence number on March 29 and I haven't received the certificate yet which will allow scheduling the smog certification with BAR. So, for anyone who has received a sequence number in the past few months it would help to know how long it has taken to receive the certificate.

[Fman]

I'm interested to know how long it takes for dmv-Sacramento to issue the certificate with the sequence number. My local dmv provided my sequence number on March 29 and I haven't received the certificate yet which will allow scheduling the smog certification with BAR. So, for anyone who has received a sequence number in the past few months it would help to know how long it has taken to receive the certificate.

Great question, they told me 3-4 weeks. Did you get a temp driving permit? I have a temp permit to drive the car until Aug 1.

[dlud]

Great question, they told me 3-4 weeks. Did you get a temp driving permit? I have a temp permit to drive the car until Aug 1.

Yes...90 day permit. Hopefully I'll be able to schedule and complete the BAR inspection within that time frame.

[DSR-3]

I'm interested to know how long it takes for dmv-Sacramento to issue the certificate with the sequence number. My local dmv provided my sequence number on March 29 and I haven't received the certificate yet which will allow scheduling the smog certification with BAR. So, for anyone who has received a sequence number in the past few months it would help to know how long it has taken to receive the certificate.
It was a couple years ago, but mine took all of the 3 weeks from the DMV/verbal date. I made my CHP appointment when I got the verbal, and when I showed up to CHP with a different SB100 number they didn't care. They did a pretty minimal inspection at CHP.

The biggest obstacle in my path was the Sacramento BAR. The local guy was easy to work with, and had done a number of kits. Sacramento kept pushing him for more; more proof that I built it, questions on records, etc. Then, they informed me that I had to claim a cost for "labor"- huh? That meant I had to go back to the DMV and pay more tax too...

[kobra01]

I finished registration a couple of weeks ago. It took about 8 weeks for my sb100 certificate to arrive in the mail. And yes BAR now does a virtual inspection. They want progress pictures of your build to prove you built it they want all receipts estimated labor cost. BAR told me they know how much money it costs to build one of these cars and that is what they are looking for, more fees and taxes.

[Fman]

I finished registration a couple of weeks ago. It took about 8 weeks for my sb100 certificate to arrive in the mail. And yes BAR now does a virtual inspection. They want progress pictures of your build to prove you built it they want all receipts estimated labor cost. BAR told me they know how much money it costs to build one of these cars and that is what they are looking for, more fees and taxes.

What did you tell them for labor costs? I paid all my taxes on engine, trans, kit cost, etc... when I started the registration process.

[Hoooper]

I finished registration a couple of weeks ago. It took about 8 weeks for my sb100 certificate to arrive in the mail. And yes BAR now does a virtual inspection. They want progress pictures of your build to prove you built it they want all receipts estimated labor cost. BAR told me they know how much money it costs to build one of these cars and that is what they are looking for, more fees and taxes.

This is part of the reason I am doing my registration as partially completed as possible. They know it takes 40-50k to build one of these nice with paint, but I am hoping if I show up with one that looks like it was built in the hood on cinder blocks they wont have the same cost expectations :D. I did declare something like 100 hours at minimum wage for the labor cost at my first DMV inspection.

[kobra01]

I didn’t document the hours estimate. I purchased the car from someone that started the build so I just added enough $ for labor to make the value of the car equal to resale value.

[toadster]

does the inspection check for clutch/starter engagement? I see videos like this all the time where the guy is outside his car and flips his key, or in this case pushes a button - and the car starts without the clutch depressed
obviously not something you do with it in gear but does the inspection check for this?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fM-9Gx30kdQ

[DSR-3]

My inspections did not check for lock-outs or warning lights (e-brake).
On that line of reg5036 and noted, my car cost $1,200 in labor to build.*
*That's an approximate rate of $0.01/h...

[EZ$]

OK, so an update on the sequence number I had been given at the beginning of April. As I suspected, either the young lady that helped me, or the agent up in Sacramento that she dealt with had a dyslexic moment. Instead of the #504 that she had told me was my number, it turns out that it was actually 054!! It took me all this time, calling DMV every day and not getting through, to finally connect with a real person who was willing to make a few interoffice calls, and confirm the actual number for me. They said the certificate should be mailed in the next few days, so hopefully I can get all this registration taken care of, and get back to driving.

[dlud]

OK, so an update on the sequence number I had been given at the beginning of April. As I suspected, either the young lady that helped me, or the agent up in Sacramento that she dealt with had a dyslexic moment. Instead of the #504 that she had told me was my number, it turns out that it was actually 054!! It took me all this time, calling DMV every day and not getting through, to finally connect with a real person who was willing to make a few interoffice calls, and confirm the actual number for me. They said the certificate should be mailed in the next few days, so hopefully I can get all this registration taken care of, and get back to driving.

sent you a pm

[EZ$]

Check your PM's.

[Fman]

Looking for some guidance...

I am about five weeks now waiting for my sequence number to be mailed to me, how long does this typically take? Need the actual paper sequence number to make appointment with the BAR to get smog check completed.

[EZ$]

Fman, I've been waiting about the same amount of time, and dlud has also. I was actually able to get through to someone at DMV Sacramento to have them check on my weird sequence number, which turned out to be incorrect, and they said it had just been processed last Monday, and that it could be another two weeks to receive the certificate. We'll see how that works out, but I'll post when I receive mine.

[Dave 53]

DMV gave me my sequence number on a post-it on 5/3. I called BAR and they gave me a 6/10 appointment even though I don't have official documentation from Sacramento on the hopes I will have it by the 10th. If I don't have it by the 8th, I'll just cancel. If you don't cancel with 48 hours notice and miss your appointment, they lock you out for 60 days as a penalty. Sounding like I'll probably have to cancel.

[lewma]

Probably backed up due to the standard excuse "...due to covid......"

[Hoooper]

DMV gave me my sequence number on a post-it on 5/3. I called BAR and they gave me a 6/10 appointment even though I don't have official documentation from Sacramento on the hopes I will have it by the 10th. If I don't have it by the 8th, I'll just cancel. If you don't cancel with 48 hours notice and miss your appointment, they lock you out for 60 days as a penalty. Sounding like I'll probably have to cancel.

Been waiting since getting my sequence number on 4/8. Nothing yet.

[kobra01]

My certificate took about 8 weeks. I was beginning to think they lost it.

[EZ$]

Dave53, I contacted "Ask the Ref.org", and they told me that even though I was told my sequence number, I wouldn't be able to make an appointment until I had the certificate in hand. Man I just wish that someone would write up the exact procedure, and distribute it to everyone that handles parts of this process. It gets old having different answers from people in the same office. I had to get a second 30 day TOP since the first one expired, and it looks like I'll probably have to get a third one before this is over. Yet there have been posts of guys who received a 3 month TOP the first visit!

Kobra01, thanks for the heads up on what your time line was. I guess I'll just relax until it gets here.

[Fman]

Thanks for the information, I still dont understand why they did not just print out the sequence certificate at the DMV after I turned in my CHP VIN assignment and brake/light inspection. The number was approved and assigned to me from Sacramento...oh well it is what it is. Good news is I can drive the car, have my temp permit on license plate frame. So far have had no issues with cops pulling me over.

Oh FWIW I ran into someone at a car show last Friday who just bought a superformance from Hillbank. Turns out Hillbank does not do any of the SB process for you. You buy the car and then your on you own.

[Vspeeds]

FWIW. I have a hybrid vehicle and it took CA DMV over 4 months to process my application and send me the HOV clean air sticker.

[coach36]

I'm in this process too.
Gotta go to the DMV for the Sequence number.
Meanwhile can I go to the brake / light inspection? Anyone knows a place in Sac area? What form to fill from them?

[dlud]

I'm in this process too.
Gotta go to the DMV for the Sequence number.
Meanwhile can I go to the brake / light inspection? Anyone knows a place in Sac area? What form to fill from them?

You will have to complete the brake/light in order to get a sequence number. There is a list of brake/light inspection stations on the BAR website: https://www.bar.ca.gov/services/ARD/Search?plat=35.117465599999996&plng=-120.6124544&locationType=CurrentLocation.

[Hoooper]

As for the form, the brake and light inspection station will give you two completed forms when you are done, these are certificates for brake inspection and lamp inspection that they have at the station.

[coach36]

Cool, thx guys.
I went to the DMV today and passed on the CHP VIN verification. They gave me my sequence number on a post-it and told me it'll come via mail within 4 weeks.
No official confirmation. Is this how it works?

General question...
If I have/own a sequence number for a vin... is that car automatically exempt from emissions, no matter if BAR sees it as new build, a 2018 engine, or a 1965 body style? I ask because CHP put it as 1990-2020 model year into the form.

[EZ$]

So I'm on week 7 waiting for my SB100 letter. I would take their estimate of 4 weeks with a grain of salt.

[dlud]

So I'm on week 7 waiting for my SB100 letter. I would take their estimate of 4 weeks with a grain of salt.

And I am just finishing week 8 and starting week 9 next Tuesday

[coach36]

Let's say I have my sequence number... now what exactly does that mean for the BAR. Will they except and exempt automatically from emissions, whatever the car is- or are they going to void because the car is not qualified (L: standards of 1990-2020)?

[Fman]

I think the SB100 cert/letter actually comes from the BAR not the DMV. At least this is what I have been told... I am going on week 6 now, so looks it won't be anytime soon for me.

[Dave 53]

Has anyone been denied an extension on their (90 day) temporary operating permit due to delays in getting an official sequence number letter in the mail? On the back of my red window TOP it says in bold letters, "Under normal circumstances, extensions are not granted." As long as I have a valid TOP, other than the hassle of having to go to DMV for extensions, makes no difference to me. But, if I get denied an extension, that's a different story.

[Fman]

I am on my second extension, started this process in early March... they had no problems extending me again when I went back to give them my CHP VIN/Brake and tail light cert. It is a painfully slow process and is not our fault they cant get there ducks in order...I won't be surprised at this point if I have to go back for another extension, mine expires in July. The only bad thing is another two hours of my life I won't get back going to the DMV again.

[Hoooper]

Let's say I have my sequence number... now what exactly does that mean for the BAR. Will they except and exempt automatically from emissions, whatever the car is- or are they going to void because the car is not qualified (L: standards of 1990-2020)?

I wouldnt worry about it. The BAR referee is more knowledgeable on the SPCNS requirements than the CHP

[mr.bob]

I just went to the DMV on Friday and was given sequence number 94 on a post it. Not encouraging to hear how long it's taking for the certificate to arrive in the mail. My temporary permit is up at the end of June, so I guess I'll be going in for an extension.

On the positive side, my CHP inspection only took about 10 minutes.

For those continuing to do battle with the DMV, use the online check-in tool on the DMV website. You "get in line" before you leave the house. I literally parked and walked up to the desk right past a 2+ hour long line for my last visit.

[dlud]

I received my Certificate of Sequence today from dmv. It took exactly 9 weeks from then I submitted my brake/light inspection report to my local dmv. My sequence # is 2021053.

[EZ$]

I just got home from work, and surprise, my sequence certificate arrived today as well. 2021054. I beat you, mine only took 8-1/2 weeks since they told me the wrong number back on 4/2.

[Hoooper]

Looks like mine also came today. I guess they processed them as a batch. Mine went to the DMV 4/8.

[Dave 53]

Got DMV post-it sequence number on 5/3 number 2021073, just received the official letter today - 4 weeks! Obvious they are sending them out it batches. If you recall (post#125), BAR let me make an appointment for 6/10 on the hopes that I would have the official letter by then. Feel kind of bad that I'll probably get my BAR inspection before you guys that have been waiting 8+ weeks.

[EZ$]

Hey, good on you Dave! When I called the BAR they said they would not schedule an appointment until I had the certificate in hand. I assumed they would ask for a copy with other paperwork in the preliminary contacts. I wish I could have set the appointment, and rescheduled if the certificate didn't show up in time. Oh well, I'm busier than a one legged man in an *** kicking contest at work right now, so I'll be in touch with them next week.

[coach36]

:) My sequence number arrived today :)
I guess my next step is BAR

[Dave 53]

I've got a BAR phone appointment on 6/10. I have not heard any stories about what to expect on this phone call. Any insight from those that have done it would be appreciated.

[Fman]

Looks like my sequence number just arrived as well. Will give the BAR a call Monday, what can I expect from this point? Visual PCV check and showing some pictures of me building the car?

Just for kicks my SPCN number is 2021064 - assuming this is 2021 #64 of 500.

[Hoooper]

I've got a BAR phone appointment on 6/10. I have not heard any stories about what to expect on this phone call. Any insight from those that have done it would be appreciated.

My understanding is the phone call is basically a paperwork check to try to make sure youve got everything you need to have covered for the in-person BAR inspection.

[kobra01]

My recent experience. When bar called me they asked me to send them all of the information I had on the car.. I created pdf files and emailed them to bar.. they want you to prove that it is a special construction vehicle and that you built it. They requested all dmv paper work, progress pictures of your build, all receipts for all the money you paid to build the car including some labor costs to build it. This is how they determine a value for your car to pay tax on it. This process took about a month. After that process then you can go to bar for final inspection. They checked for PCs valve to carb and breather to air cleaner.

[dlud]

I called BAR to schedule my inspection now that I have my certified sequence number. The initial telephone conference is now set for 6/15. They emailed the attached information relating to the inspection. 149197

[Hoooper]

Interesting, a hood that closes securely. I don't think a hood is required by the vehicle code and chp didn't say anything about that. I haven't fitted my hood yet I guess I'll have to get on that

[Hoooper]

Had my virtual this morning. Big item that came up, not surprising the various hands arent talking to each other, is that the DMV forms that have the FFR VIN on them are all wrong and need to match the CHP issued VIN. If your CHP office didnt issue a new VIN you are fine/lucky. Since the CHP wont give you an inspection until youve done the brake and light inspection theres no way to get to that step without already using the FFR VIN on the paperwork, so now Ive got to go back to the DMV just to have them change the VIN on my schedule of fees to match the CHP issued VIN.

Frustrating, I asked DMV about changing it when I was there after the CHP inspection to get my temp tag and they said they didnt want to mess with it yet and possibly cause confusion. Guess that didnt work out in my favor :mad:

[EZ$]

That is frustrating. DMV used my chassis number as the VIN, and when I went for the CHP inspection, the officer asked me where the number was stamped on the chassis, he checked it against the paperwork, and went with that number. Why did the CHP insist on changing the number already assigned by DMV?

[Hoooper]

That is frustrating. DMV used my chassis number as the VIN, and when I went for the CHP inspection, the officer asked me where the number was stamped on the chassis, he checked it against the paperwork, and went with that number. Why did the CHP insist on changing the number already assigned by DMV?

CHP seems hit or miss on this. According to the guy that did mine they *have to* issue a new VIN because the DMV doesnt accept the chassis number, even though I obviously already had DMV paperwork showing the other VIN and we of course all know that the DMV and CHP can use the FFR number if they choose to since they do for lots of builders on here.

[Hoooper]

This might help the next person with their virtual, this is what they want to see for the call. They conveniently sent me this list to upload and email 20 minutes before the call

149267

[kobra01]

Hoooper, some Chp will use the ffr vin# and some say they have to assign the # on the blue tag. So now the dmv will have to issue another sb100 certificate with the new vin#. Another 8 week wait.

[Hoooper]

Hoooper, some Chp will use the ffr vin# and some say they have to assign the # on the blue tag. So now the dmv will have to issue another sb100 certificate with the new vin#. Another 8 week wait.

What WHAT?! The BAR guy didnt seem to think that was necessary but I guess we will see. Certainly not a surprise if the process is going to be that screwed up, it was looking like only 4 visits to the DMV would be needed and thats not usually even enough to just renew a registration

[EZ$]

kobra01, if you are correct that situation would be total bulls**t! It's not bad enough that for a piece of paper that the local DMV office should be able to print out as soon as you are assigned an SB100 number, that instead you have to wait eight weeks for some idiot in Sacramento to get around to it, but if they make him go through that again, well like I said, Bulls**t!

[dlud]

This might help the next person with their virtual, this is what they want to see for the call. They conveniently sent me this list to upload and email 20 minutes before the call

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Thanks for sending this. I have my appointment next week and this will help me prepare.

[Fman]

Question on "Value of Labor", what are you guys putting for this? Are they actually going to try and tax me on my labor building the car?

[Hoooper]

Question on "Value of Labor", what are you guys putting for this? Are they actually going to try and tax me on my labor building the car?

I dont remember what I put in but Im sure it amounted to pretty low hourly wages. Yeah, they will ask for it. Something like a hundred hours at minimum wage

[BB767]

That car looks to good Fman. You are going to have to charge yourself at least $100 an hour. Plus tax………��

So glad I am out of the people’s republic of CA.

[Dave 53]

Just finished my BAR call. A few notes...

I talked a very nice easy going gentleman. We got to talking about a few things. He is normally a smog referee that got roped into this call appointment system when COVID started. The call is because of COVID, but it is working well, so it will be the new norm. His job is just to make sure the documents are in order and error free. He is not making any decisions. He is just creating a packet that he will then forward to the BAR decision maker.

Thank you to Hoooper for sharing the list of items needed for the BAR call. It took me some time yesterday to collect them all in one place ready to email. I received the list this morning in an email from BAR and was ready for it. Reply back to their email with the listed documents attached before your call.

I made an error on my Reg 343. I had vehicle make as Factory Five and it should be SPCNS. I had model year 2017, needs to be 2020. He just asked me to make corrections and resubmit.

We talked about Reg 5036, Statement of Construction. I explained that this whole labor value was confusing and I didn't know what to do and asked for guidance. His guidance - not BAR's problem any more! He explained that a guy that used to work at BAR took up this valuation cause, he has retired and BAR has pushed the valuation negotiations back to DMV! They are the ones trying to collect the money - it's their problem and has nothing to do with having a safe car on the road. Even though value of labor is listed on the check list, he said he wasn't even going to ask about labor when we went over the Reg 5036, but I brought it up. Sounds like BAR isn't going to look at receipts! We'll see what happens at the actual physical inspection. This seems like very good news! Am I over reacting or is this not a HUGE development!?

Photos of build - 4 or 5 pictures showing build progress. Ideally, a couple with you in the photo. The intent is just to show YOU actually built the car.

No idea when the actual physical inspection will happen - ball is in their court and we just have to wait for them to contact us. He couldn't even give me a rough idea. He did mention that they are feeling the fact that DMV sent out sequence numbers in a batch, so get it line.

Again, thank you to Hoooper for the list. If I wasn't prepped for that last night, I'm sure I would have had to reschedule the appointment. Sure would be nice if they sent that list a few days a head of time. He said he will email me when he forwards my packet to the next step. When he does, I'll make the suggestion to give us more time with that list before the call.

[Fman]

That car looks to good Fman. You are going to have to charge yourself at least $100 an hour. Plus tax………��

So glad I am out of the people’s republic of CA.

No surprise with CA, you have to look up at the sun 300+ days a year and just take it:cool:... seriously, 5 years before I can retire, wife and I are already starting to look at other states to consider. Too bad because this is probably one of the best areas in the country to live in but CA is doing a great job of making it an easy decision to pack up and leave.

[dlud]

No surprise with CA, you have to look up at the sun 300+ days a year and just take it:cool:... seriously, 5 years before I can retire, wife and I are already starting to look at other states to consider. Too bad because this is probably one of the best areas in the country to live in but CA is doing a great job of making it an easy decision to pack up and leave.

Having lived in and worked in a number of states I can say that CA is one of the best places in the country we have found to live. Here on the central coast, where we live, the views are spectacular and the climate is exceptional, especially if you like to drive cars in something other than rain and/or snow.
People may ***** about CA dmv but try to register a FFR car in FL (not happening right now!). No, it's not fun to deal with dmv and they could make it bureaucratically simpler but I do understand the entire inspection process and am thankful that there is some level of oversight on home built vehicles.

[WaltR]

Just got my SB100 Sequence Number from the DMV...

I started the registration process on 6-1 with my first visit to the dmv. Along with the completed forms I gave them all my FFR receipts for the complete kit and motor and trans, but did not put down any figure for labor. They accepted all my paperwork and I cut them a check. So, I'm hoping that the BAR doesn't make me add labor to the cost (hope i get the guy that Dave 53 got). So far, 1 1/2 hours of my life I won't ever get back...

Called the CHP for my inspection and VIN from the DMV parking lot, left a message, and got a call back the next day. I was able to get an appointment for 6-9. I feel lucky to get such a quick appointment - someone must of had a cancellation and I just fell into the slot. Met the CHP officer and got my new VIN plate put on the car. He let me decide where to put it. This appointment took another 1 hour, so now up to 2 1/2 hours of my life I won't ever get back...

Set an appointment and got my brake and lamp inspection on 6-10. Everything passed, but took another 1 1/2 hours, so now up to 4 hours of my life I won't ever get back...

Went to the DMV on 6-10 to get my SB100 sequence number. Had to wait about 20 minutes before seeing someone. When I gave them my paperwork and told them I needed to get my SB100 sequence number, I get a blank stare... 'Oh no' I'm thinking, this lady has no clue what to do. So she gets a supervisor and he is looking through the paperwork for a LONG time... seems like he has no clue either. Oh great... Long story, but I ended up staying at the DMV for 2 hours and they finally tell me that the guy in Sacramento that gives out the sequence number went home early today and they won't be able to get me my number! 'are you freaking kidding me? there is only 1 guy in all of CA that can get this number?' They told me, apparently, YES! So, the manager is taking pity on me and took down my phone number and said he would get the sequence number first thing in the morning and call me back, then meet me in the parking lot so I didn't have to wait in line again. I'm thinking this is really awesome to help me out. Guess what, he never called! So another 2 hour appointment, now up to 6 hours of my life I won't ever get back...

Went to the dmv this morning, 6-15, to try and get my sequence number again. Same blank stare again, and another talk with a different supervisor (the first supervisor I spoke with last week who agreed to call me, was in a meeting and unavailable). He said to have a seat and he would try to get my number for me. After another 1 1/2 hours at the DMV I finally got my sequence number SB 2021102, yeah! Now up to 7 1/2 hours of my life I won't ever get back...

The supervisor told me to call right away to set my appointment for the BAR inspection, but I know that wouldn't happen after reading this blog, but I tried anyway. They told me, like everybody else here, can't set an appointment until you get the SB100 sequence number in the mail from the DMV. So now I'm waiting for that to happen.

I'm very frustrated with CA and the process to register the car like most people here. Looks like it will be another 2 or 3 months before everything is complete. At least they gave me a 90 day temporary registration so I can drive the car.

[dlud]

Had my telephone conference with BAR today. Many thanks to Hoooper and Dave53 for the heads up on the process. I had my photos and documents in pdf files and ready to go. The representative was a great guy: very friendly and helpful. All and all went well. Preparation and moderated expectations are your friend. Next up: in person appointment with BAR for final inspection.

[Fman]

I also have my in person BAR scheduled for July 15, then hopefully "knock on wood" I will be heading down to the DMV to pick up my plates. For those of you having the PCV valve inspection I was told the actual hose needs to say PCV/Fuel compliant. If it is a heater hose you will get denied and have to come back.

[EZ$]

Finished my virtual appointment yesterday. Question is, will they contact me for an appointment, or do I need to call them again to set up the in person appointment?

[kobra01]

Fman I past recently and my hose says PCV.

[kobra01]

EZ$ they called me or sent me an email when they were finished. I think it took a month but it was earlier this year when Covid was still going on.

[Dave 53]

Finished my virtual appointment yesterday. Question is, will they contact me for an appointment, or do I need to call them again to set up the in person appointment?

I asked at the end of my call. Ball in their court. Wait for them to email you. The guy I talked to had absolutely no idea how long that would take.

[EZ$]

Thanks guys.

[dlud]

I had my BAR pre-inspection telephone conference on 6/15. Heard back today (6/24) that all submissions were good and I was approved for the final inspection. Called the scheduler and I am now scheduled for my in person inspection on 6/29. Hopefully that will be the last piece of the puzzle other than going to my local dmv to submit all paperwork and pickup my plates.

[EZ$]

Well, my virtual appointment was on 6/17, and I hope I hear back from them so that I can get my in person appointment soon. I finally got scheduled to get my car to DaBat for paint the second week of July, and I'd like to get this completed before I take it to him.

[ggunter]

Wow!!!!! I am surprised you guys in Ca. even want to have a custom car. I feel for you. It just doesn't have to be that hard. I despise the Md. MVA as everyone else does because of their smug attitudes but my whole process from inspection to tags in hand was 40 minutes. Hang tough fellow Cobra drivers.

[Dave 53]

Virtual appointment was 6/10. Sent an email asking for progress and got a reply 2 days ago..."The packet is still being put together. I will let you know if any additional information is needed."

We get a 3 month temporary operating permit at the second DMV visit and as long as that is valid (and renewable if need be), I can careless how long the process takes.

[MVTV]

I'm headed into the DMV this Wednesday to start my SB100 process.

I haven't been able to find this on the forum; it's a long shot, but does anyone have an example forum filled out correctly for Application of Title (REG343), Statement of Facts (REG256) and Statement of Construction (REG5036)? I'd hate to get anything wrong with the initial paper work as I assume the DMV rep probably wont be able to catch if something is wrong.

[Hoooper]

Here is what I used
150042
150043

[MVTV]

Thanks!!!

[Dave 53]

Reg 343: Vehicle make is SPCNS

Reg 256: I didn't submit a 256

Reg 5036: I wouldn't include labor. Make someone ask about it. I wrote in $500 labor and the DMV clerk asked why I did that! On my BAR call, I was told BAR no longer cares about valuing the car, but I haven't had my physical inspection yet, so we'll see... Bring your check book. I paid $1,456 on a valuation of $12,431. (bought from previous owner for $10,000)

I had read on the internet, "make sure you leave with a sequence number". This is no longer true. You'll get your sequence number after second DMV visit when you turn in brake and light certificates.

One of the pieces of paper I handed over to the DMV clerk on my first visit was the bill of sale from my car's previous owner which included the VIN of the donor car. She handed me back a pile of paper and what she did was re-register the donor car! It took some explaining to fix. Take your time at the counter before you leave to make sure there are no errors. Between my (incorrect) insisting on a sequence number, the donor car re-registration fiasco and the general confusion of the clerk's first SB100, many words were exchanged and the mood was tense.

When I returned to DMV the second time, all I said was, "Good morning. I'm here to submit my brake and light certificates on my SB100 registration. My hopes are to leave with a sequence number and 90 day temporary operating permit." I stood quietly and 30 minutes later, I had it and said, "thank you, have a nice day".

I was handed a stack of papers stapled together and as you go through the process and collect more papers, just staple them to the stack. I read about keeping the paper stack in a zip lock bag - works well.

[Hoooper]

Oh yeah, on the reg 343 since this is your first visit you wont have a CHP vin yet so use the FFR vin. Later on if the CHP insists on changing it to their vin make sure on the subsequent DMV visit you change the REG 343 and get them to give you an updated fee schedule/receipt with that vin on it

[Dave 53]

Here is what I used
150042
150043
I used the FFR serial number as the VIN. I got insurance on the car before I went for the brake and light inspection. No insurance company is going to insure the the car without a VIN. When I explained to the insurance company that "this is the number on the DMV paper work", they were happy. I was lucky in that CHP used the FFR number as the VIN and if they don't, you'll have to cross that bridge then. But in the mean time, your insurance company is probably going to want a number that matches what DMV is using, even if it's temporary and needs to be change later.

[MVTV]

Awesome, I figured these changes occurred after reading a bunch of posts on how to submit for an SB100. The confirmation really help.

[dlud]

Had my BAR inspection today. The only thing he looked at is the pcv system. He also obtained the odometer reading and spent most of 45 minutes working on the computer to input the necessary information for dmv. Received a "Smog Check Vehicle Inspection Report" and a document showing "Appointment Details." That was it. Never started the engine, I just pointed out the location of the "dirty" and "clean" side of the pcv system. He took photos of the car to show his son and a friend of his and he affixed the SB100 sticker on my door jamb. Drove to dmv and 90 minutes later I had my plates and registration. No additional fees.

But for Covid induced delays this would have been completed long ago.

[MVTV]

Just had my first DMV appointment. Took a total of 15mins … not joking. The lady that helped me knew exactly what she was doing which was awesome. She even removed taxes of things I’ve already paid such as engine/trans, tires, gauges, etc. which was not expected. Additionally, I got a 60 permit which was also unexpected. So, next up is brake light inspection, CHP then BAR. One thing that was odd is she said I can do them all before coming back to the DMV. I assume she is wrong given I don’t have an SB100 number yet, or at least don’t think I do. I’ll start with the brake light then call CHP and explain everything. They’ll probably send me back to the dmv.

[EZ$]

I was required to have the brake and light, and the CHP inspections before they issued the sb100 number. Then you get to wait till DMV has the time to print your certificate and mail it to you from Sacramento before you can even set up the initial "virtual" appointment on the phone with BAR. Good luck, I hope that they don't make you wait as long as some of us did.

[Hoooper]

You can do the B&L and the CHP, you have to have those before getting the SB100 number. Then you have to go back to the DMV to get the number, then to BAR once the number is issued.

[Fman]

I was required to have the brake and light, and the CHP inspections before they issued the sb100 number. Then you get to wait till DMV has the time to print your certificate and mail it to you from Sacramento before you can even set up the initial "virtual" appointment on the phone with BAR. Good luck, I hope that they don't make you wait as long as some of us did.

When you had your actual referee appointment did they just inspect your PCV valve and send you on your way? I have completed the virtual appointment and now July 15 I have the actual in person appointment. Not sure what to expect at this point.

[EZ$]

Fman, I'm still waiting for BAR to contact me for my in person appointment. I hope they set it up soon as I'm supposed to take the car for paint in a couple of weeks. I did check with them and if I take it for paint before the inspection i can postpone my in person until I get the car back. Still hoping to complete before then.

[Fman]

Fman, I'm still waiting for BAR to contact me for my in person appointment. I hope they set it up soon as I'm supposed to take the car for paint in a couple of weeks. I did check with them and if I take it for paint before the inspection i can postpone my in person until I get the car back. Still hoping to complete before then.

After I had my virtual appointment on the phone they contacted me the same day that they approved all the documents I scanned to them in email, I called next day and scheduled my in person appointment. It is very strange how each person has a different experience with the process.

[dlud]

When you had your actual referee appointment did they just inspect your PCV valve and send you on your way? I have completed the virtual appointment and now July 15 I have the actual in person appointment. Not sure what to expect at this point.

Yes, that was pretty much it. The referee had to go through my paperwork and input some information to eventually produce a sticker that was applied to the car (showing SB100 status). Car wasn't started. Just make sure you can show the referee the "dirty" and "clean" sides of the pcv system.

[Fman]

I made it to the finish line, 9818 is officially registered in CA. Referee appointment took 45 mins, just a visual on my PCV system and he printed out the decal for my firewall. All good but very surprised it took 5 months to register a car. Glad to have it all wrapped up now.'

Thanks to everyone on this thread for the help, and to anyone starting this process be patient, expect some headaches and do your research before going into the DMV.

[Dave 53]

I had my phone interview on June 10 and I still haven't been given an opportunity to make an appointment for the physical inspection. I've talked to a few very nice folks at BAR that have given me no explanation. Looking like my temporary operating permit will expire before I get an inspection.

[MVTV]

This coming Friday I have my CHP appointment and double checking what is needed. I couldn't get a brake and light inspection as two places said they needed the VIN from CHP first and when I called CHP they said to come to them first.

So, for CHP appointment I need all the receipts, paper work that was filed with the DMV and the roadster, correct?

I'm hoping to use the FFR serial number as the VIN.

[Hoooper]

I had my phone interview on June 10 and I still haven't been given an opportunity to make an appointment for the physical inspection. I've talked to a few very nice folks at BAR that have given me no explanation. Looking like my temporary operating permit will expire before I get an inspection.

Same here. I had my virtual appointment with Daniel and had to provide updated paperwork. He hasnt responded in over a month and calling the BAR number has resulted in talking to several people who seem pretty sympathetic and say that theyre going to send him a note to respond, but no word still. Guy seems to have gone MIA


This coming Friday I have my CHP appointment and double checking what is needed. I couldn't get a brake and light inspection as two places said they needed the VIN from CHP first and when I called CHP they said to come to them first.

So, for CHP appointment I need all the receipts, paper work that was filed with the DMV and the roadster, correct?

I'm hoping to use the FFR serial number as the VIN.

I had my brake and lamp, but other than that just receipts for engine, trans, rear end, and kit. Also gave them all the DMV paperwork to look at. They did a little brake and light inspection of their own, asked about parking brake, gave me crap about not having wipers, questioned my windshield being DOT.

[Hoooper]

HAHA the guys ears must have been burning, he just emailed me back that I am approved to get my final inspection

[Jones375]

This coming Friday I have my CHP appointment and double checking what is needed. I couldn't get a brake and light inspection as two places said they needed the VIN from CHP first and when I called CHP they said to come to them first.

So, for CHP appointment I need all the receipts, paper work that was filed with the DMV and the roadster, correct?

I'm hoping to use the FFR serial number as the VIN.

It’s 50/50 on using your FFR number as your VIN. It is a serial number, and isn’t 17 digits as modern VINs. So in theory there MAY be another home built out there with the same number. Having the CHP issue a blue tag with a CA number will eliminate any issues in the future with paperwork. I originally wanted the FFR number as the VIN, but in reality, I’ll look at that number once a year when I renew my reg, so it’s not a big deal.

[Fman]

Anyone here order custom plates for there car? I put my order back in March when I started the SB100 reg process and still have heard nothing. The receipt DMV gave me said 8-12 weeks until they are mailed to me. It is now August and still nothing, assuming they might be back logged from Covid?

[DSR-3]

I used my serial number as VIN, and the only problem is caused was the DMV clerk forgetting a zero, which sounds minor, but...
re. plates; maybe it's because you haven't completed the reg/license process? Once legal, I ordered mine and they came pretty quickly.

[Fman]

I used my serial number as VIN, and the only problem is caused was the DMV clerk forgetting a zero, which sounds minor, but...
re. plates; maybe it's because you haven't completed the reg/license process? Once legal, I ordered mine and they came pretty quickly.

I'm done with SPCN reg process, got my plates on July 15. Tried calling the DMV but finding out it is near impossible to get a hold of anyone. Did they mail you your plates or send a notice to pick them up?

[kobra01]

Fman , I don’t remember how long it took to get my custom plates but it was maybe 4 months. Ridiculous! They sent me notification when the plates arrived at the dmv office.

[lewma]

Anyone here order custom plates for there car? I put my order back in March when I started the SB100 reg process and still have heard nothing. The receipt DMV gave me said 8-12 weeks until they are mailed to me. It is now August and still nothing, assuming they might be back logged from Covid?

I ordered custom plates for mine but I did this after the SB100 process was completed as I didn't want to complicate an already complicated process. My car was legal in September of 2019 and I ordered custom plates in February of last year. Can't remember exactly how long it took but I gave up trying to contact the DMV and getting hit with the "due to covid..." brick wall, then one day I received a notice in the mail that my plates were ready to be picked up at the DMV office. I think this was about 6 months or so. I went to the DMV then they could not find the plates. They had to dig through some older shipments but eventually found them.

mark

[DSR-3]

I too had to go to the DMV and trade-in the first set.

[Dave 53]

Had my BAR phone interview on June 10, so it's been almost 8 weeks and still no offer to schedule a physical inspection. Had a few talks with some very nice gentlemen that do the scheduling that tell me they'll see what's up, but still nothing. The good news (other than 1.5 hours at DMV) is I renewed my temporary operating permit and it's good until the end of October which I'll need because now I don't have a free day to do a BAR inspection until the middle of September.

Just curious... for those of you that had your BAR phone interview AFTER June 10th, what's your status?

[Fman]

Fman , I don’t remember how long it took to get my custom plates but it was maybe 4 months. Ridiculous! They sent me notification when the plates arrived at the dmv office.

Was able to get in contact with someone from the DMV today, she confirmed my plates are in the system but told me they are taking up to 6 months now. Apparently the Folsom prisoners who make the plates are practicing social distancing and wearing masks which is slowing down the process (she actually really told me this). So there it is, hopefully in another month or so :cool:

[EZ$]

Dave, I had my "virtual" appointment about four days after yours, and I'm still waiting as well. The "due to covid" excuse has worn thin with DMV, and many other entities. My TOP expires in 2 days, so I'm going to have to go to DMV again and get a new one. I may wait as the car will be going for paint the end of this month. Of course, if I don't get a new TOP, they'll probably contact me the day after this one expires! By the way, I look forward to being able to go to the Danville get together again. Over the past few months was working almost non-stop, and then decided to retire, so it's been kind of crazy. Now to just get all the equipment sold, and shut the business down for good.

[Dave 53]

Dave, I had my "virtual" appointment about four days after yours, and I'm still waiting as well. The "due to covid" excuse has worn thin with DMV, and many other entities. My TOP expires in 2 days, so I'm going to have to go to DMV again and get a new one. I may wait as the car will be going for paint the end of this month. Of course, if I don't get a new TOP, they'll probably contact me the day after this one expires! By the way, I look forward to being able to go to the Danville get together again. Over the past few months was working almost non-stop, and then decided to retire, so it's been kind of crazy. Now to just get all the equipment sold, and shut the business down for good.

Congratulations on retirement! Hope to see you at a Friday C&C soon. I'll be on call with work this Friday, but if I'm not called in, I'll be there.

Other than having to go to DMV, the process for getting a new TOP was painless. They asked why, I told them BAR and I was good to go.

[tbl100]

Had my BAR phone interview on June 10, so it's been almost 8 weeks and still no offer to schedule a physical inspection. Had a few talks with some very nice gentlemen that do the scheduling that tell me they'll see what's up, but still nothing. The good news (other than 1.5 hours at DMV) is I renewed my temporary operating permit and it's good until the end of October which I'll need because now I don't have a free day to do a BAR inspection until the middle of September.

Just curious... for those of you that had your BAR phone interview AFTER June 10th, what's your status?

I had my virtual appointment with BAR on June 11th. Still waiting. Was told could take up to 2 weeks, then 4 weeks, now its been 8 weeks. Still waiting.

[EZ$]

OK, so I contacted my virtual rep by email to find out what was going on. He called me this afternoon to let me know that he had passed my info on to the regional BAR rep again. They got back to him to let him know that they were fine with everything, but now they're not going to accept my stack injection, and the way I set up the closed loop PCV system. I ran one of the valve cover breathers to one of the stacks while the other side, from the PCV valve goes through an air/oil separator then into the intake manifold. Pure BS!! This method has been done by multiple people with similar set ups. So now after sitting and waiting for eight weeks, I get to got back to work trying to fabricate so kind of air box that will encompass all of the stacks with a filter system, and the hose that currently goes to one stack has to go to the box itself. Total BS! this doesn't accomplish anything different that what I currently have. I'm starting to grow weary of this process. To top it all off, I've got the DMV sending me notices to complete my registration! Are they kidding! Tell BAR to reach behind themselves and pull their heads out of their butts!

[Hoooper]

OK, so I contacted my virtual rep by email to find out what was going on. He called me this afternoon to let me know that he had passed my info on to the regional BAR rep again. They got back to him to let him know that they were fine with everything, but now they're not going to accept my stack injection, and the way I set up the closed loop PCV system. I ran one of the valve cover breathers to one of the stacks while the other side, from the PCV valve goes through an air/oil separator then into the intake manifold. Pure BS!! This method has been done by multiple people with similar set ups. So now after sitting and waiting for eight weeks, I get to got back to work trying to fabricate so kind of air box that will encompass all of the stacks with a filter system, and the hose that currently goes to one stack has to go to the box itself. Total BS! this doesn't accomplish anything different that what I currently have. I'm starting to grow weary of this process. To top it all off, I've got the DMV sending me notices to complete my registration! Are they kidding! Tell BAR to reach behind themselves and pull their heads out of their butts!

Just slap the cheapest intake/carb you can find on it, maybe even borrow one on here from someone who isnt using it, and go pass, then swap it out when you get your plates

[EZ$]

With what I went through to solve an intake manifold leak back when I had my first start, I have no intention of swapping anything unless it's going to be permanent! I'll just see what I can come up with. I have some sheet aluminum left over from the build, so we'll see what happens. Just pissed me off that they took eight weeks to let me know that they had a problem with my setup.

[weendoggy]

With what I went through to solve an intake manifold leak back when I had my first start, I have no intention of swapping anything unless it's going to be permanent! I'll just see what I can come up with. I have some sheet aluminum left over from the build, so we'll see what happens. Just pissed me off that they took eight weeks to let me know that they had a problem with my setup.

Not sure of your referee, but this has been required for quite awhile. Enclose ALL the stacks and no separator in PCV.

[Hoooper]

Not sure of your referee, but this has been required for quite awhile. Enclose ALL the stacks and no separator in PCV.

I asked about this in the virtual inspection and they said theres no issue with a separator in the PCV as long as it is sealed

[weendoggy]

I asked about this in the virtual inspection and they said theres no issue with a separator in the PCV as long as it is sealed

Key word there is "sealed". Most of the ones sold have the bleed-off valve and that's why I said no. :rolleyes: Fix it afterwards.

[Vspeeds]

Was able to get in contact with someone from the DMV today, she confirmed my plates are in the system but told me they are taking up to 6 months now. Apparently the Folsom prisoners who make the plates are practicing social distancing and wearing masks which is slowing down the process (she actually really told me this). So there it is, hopefully in another month or so :cool:

That and the fact the prisoners were released because of overcrowding.

[MVTV]

From recent applicants, curious how long others have waited to get a sequence number from the DMV? I'm at +11 weeks and trying to determine how much longer to wait before going into the DMV. I know going to the DMV is somewhat pointless as they have to call a guy in Sac, but at 11 weeks I figured something isn't right and I've got no other option to resolve it.

[WaltR]

I applied for my SB100 sequence number on 6-15 (started the registration process on 6-1) and received the SB100 Certificate in the mail on 8-19, so took about 2 months to receive. Then called BAR the same day to set my Virtual appointment 3 weeks later for today 9-8. Just finished my Virtual appointment which took about 20 minutes. They sent me a reminder email a few days ago and another email this morning to reply to attaching all the documents and pictures they requested. Emailed them about 1 hour before my appointment and everything looked good according to the Referee. He made me correct the Make, Model Year, and VIN on the original Application for Title and Statement of Construction. Originally I had the FFR frame number for the VIN (didn't have the correct VIN yet) and put Factory Five as the Make, and 1965 as the year. He had me change to the new VIN I received from the CHP, put SPCNS (Special Construction) for the make, and 2021 for the year - this is the year the car was completed. He said he would email me when my completed file was sent to the Referee gods and that it would be 4 to 6 weeks to hear back from them to set my in person appointment. My temporary permit expires 9-15, so looks like if I want to keep driving the car I'll have to go to the DMV to get another extension... Frustrating that the process is so cumbersome and lengthly, but what can you do but jump through the hoops and wait...

[MVTV]

Hey WaltR, what is the difference between you 6-1 and 6-15 date? I want to ensure I didn't miss a step a the DMV.

[MVTV]

WaltR, I just found your earlier post from which you shared about your process. I was told they will send me a sequence number in the mail and no need to go back until BAR is done. Guess I'll be going back given it's 11 weeks and nothing.

[Jones375]

I went into the DMV on 7/12 to start my paperwork and get my sequence number. I received the certificate in the mail 2 weeks ago. I have my virtual appointment tomorrow morning.

[WaltR]

MVTV - I started the registration process on 6-1 with all the paperwork and paid my fees. Then got the CHP inspection where they issued the new VIN, then did the brake and lamp inspection before returning to the DMV on 6-15 to get the SB100 sequence number. Then waited until I received the sequence number certificate in the mail on 8-19. I wouldn't waste my time going back to the DMV as they can do nothing to speed up the process of receiving your sequence number in the mail. Just have to wait till you receive it and can start the BAR inspection process.

I decided to go back to the DMV yesterday to get my temporary registration extended to 12-31-21 so I can continue to legally drive the car.

[Fman]

So bizzarre reading these posts and seeing how everyone has a different experience. I had my virtual appointment then the next day I got email back saying all was good, called the provided number and they scheduled me for my smog check with the BAR which was about 3 weeks out. BAR smog appointment took 45 mins, he printed out the decal for engine compartment and sent me on my way with my certificate paper, 15 min stop at DMV on the way home and I was officially done.

*** ONE NOTE *** for anyone who starts to insure there cobra while in go-kart you will have a difference VIN number once you visit the CHP so this is time to call your insurance company and have them make the change with the new CA vin and send you a new declaration page for DMV. Otherwise you will get a nice letter in the mail from DMV saying you do not have insurance on the vehicle and they will suspend your registration in 30 days. Ask me how I know, not a huge deal but could have been avoided if I would have made the change to my policy right after the CHP stamped the new VIN number on my dash crossbar.

[tbl100]

14 weeks after BAR virtual appointment (same day as Fman's) and I'm still waiting for a response from BAR referee to schedule physical appointment. Went into DMV to extend my temp registration permit and was initially told they don't extend them. After a lengthy explanation of the SPCNS registration to the DMV rep I finally got him to ask someone else. He went to his manager and someone else and after 20 min of discussion came back and told me to come back on Sept 30th when the permit expires to give BAR a chance to respond. I told him I would be out of town and that even if BAR responded before the 30th it would still be 3-4 weeks before I could get an appointment and I would still need the permit to be extended. He said NO come back on the 30th. That's what my manager said. This is totally crazy.

[tbl100]

I went into the DMV on 7/12 to start my paperwork and get my sequence number. I received the certificate in the mail 2 weeks ago. I have my virtual appointment tomorrow morning.

How did your virtual appointment go? Just curious, which vref did you get?

[tbl100]

Congratulations on retirement! Hope to see you at a Friday C&C soon. I'll be on call with work this Friday, but if I'm not called in, I'll be there.

Other than having to go to DMV, the process for getting a new TOP was painless. They asked why, I told them BAR and I was good to go.

Has BAR contacted you yet for physical appointment?

[Jones375]

My virtual appointment was about 10 minutes long. A few basic questions and he made sure I had all the paperwork. He told me he was going to email me and I needed to upload all the docs. He was surprised I had it all scanned and ready to go. I got all my paperwork approved the same day. My in person appointment is scheduled for end of October.

[tbl100]

My virtual appointment was about 10 minutes long. A few basic questions and he made sure I had all the paperwork. He told me he was going to email me and I needed to upload all the docs. He was surprised I had it all scanned and ready to go. I got all my paperwork approved the same day. My in person appointment is scheduled for end of October.

Nice congratulations. Some of us haven't been so fortunate. Can't understand why the experiences we all have are so different. Thanks for you reply. Greatly appreciated.

[Jones375]

I had my in person appointment today. Inspector looked at the engine for all of two minutes, looked at the CHP blue tag and checked mileage. He typed away at his computer station for about 15 minutes and came back with the sticker and certificate. He let me put the sticker on the firewall, and showed me where it listed as a 1965 engine, and said as long as DMV enters it correctly, I’ll be smog exempt. Not too bad of an experience.

Thanks to the guys who have posted info on this thread and to Duncan who helped answer some questions offline.

[Fman]

I had my in person appointment today. Inspector looked at the engine for all of two minutes, looked at the CHP blue tag and checked mileage. He typed away at his computer station for about 15 minutes and came back with the sticker and certificate. He let me put the sticker on the firewall, and showed me where it listed as a 1965 engine, and said as long as DMV enters it correctly, I’ll be smog exempt. Not too bad of an experience.

Thanks to the guys who have posted info on this thread and to Duncan who helped answer some questions offline.

Congratulations, it took me about 4 months. Did you go down to the secret unmarked building off Del Paso Blvd? I thought it was kind of a strange building... I have a friend who is 7 months into this SB process and just now got his final BAR appointment. I felt pretty lucky doing it in 4 months. What was your sequence number? Wondering how close they are getting to 500 this year.

[MVTV]

I’ve got my virtual bar appointment this Friday. Curious what pictures do they want of the pcv system? I assume two pictures … one from each side of the valve covers showing the tubes going to the intake. Anything else?

[Fman]

I’ve got my virtual bar appointment this Friday. Curious what pictures do they want of the pcv system? I assume two pictures … one from each side of the valve covers showing the tubes going to the intake. Anything else?

Make sure the hose has "PCV" stamped on it and take a picture of it. You can't use a heater hose or anything else other than PCV approved hose. Just a picture(s) of the entire closed system which is breather into air filter and breather into throttle body/carb. I also put hose clamps on everything not sure if this is needed but figured it would be one less thing they could get me on.

Good luck! Hopefully they push you through quickly, just had a friend wait 14 weeks to finally get his actual BAR appointment to get his car inspected and decal put on firewall. They scheduled mine the next day for me....

[MVTV]

Awesome thanks. I’ll make sure it says PCV on the tube.

[Jones375]

Yup, went to that place. Initially drove past it because the gates were closed. The red eventually came out to open up.

I think I was around 120 for my number. The lady at the DMV yesterday was surprised they were that low. She remembered the times guys would camp outside to get numbers.

[Jones375]

If you can, scan all the required docs into PDF form and let them know it’s all done. My guy was impressed I had it all and approved my paperwork quick.

[Hoooper]

Word to the wise, dont let the BAR guy talk you into changing any parts of the CHP form even just the applicant section. BAR guy had me change the applicant identification number, which is meaningless once they apply the CHP issued VIN anyway. After returning from my successful BAR in person inspection all pumped to finally get my plate the DMV wouldnt accept the form anymore because it was altered. Not really a surprise I guess, but I didnt expect the BAR guy to hose me like that. Luckily the CHP guys were cool about it and just filled out a new one and left it at the desk for me.

[MVTV]

Just had my virtual BAR appointment. Took 10 mins and most of that was the agent typing. The agent said they’ll to a quick review in a few days and a final review with BAR will take 3-4 weeks followed by the in-person.

[Dave 53]

Walked into DMV on April 20 to start the process. Just walked out with license plates. A bit over 6 months!

The length of time did not concern me. I had a temporary operating permit and put 2,800 miles on the car over that time.

DMV website quoting 6 to 9 months to get a personalized plate.

[Fman]

Just had my virtual BAR appointment. Took 10 mins and most of that was the agent typing. The agent said they’ll to a quick review in a few days and a final review with BAR will take 3-4 weeks followed by the in-person.

They got back to me that same afternoon, approved everything and gave me the secret BAR number to make appointment which was another 5 weeks out. In person BAR took 45 mins, headed to DMV and got my plates same day. I have a friend who is now 4 months past his virtual appt and just got approved for his final BAR appt. This process never seems to be the same, depends on what county you live in. In the end who really cares as long as you get your reg done and your smog exempt :cool: