Gen 3 FFR#48 Type 65 Coupe R Build [Archive]

johngeorge

11-15-2016, 07:27 PM

Gen 3 Type 65 Coupe R Kit ordered, now its time to get to the details.

I have been racing the old FFR#48 Challenge Car for the past 11 years, and decided its time to switch it up and try my hand at racing a Type 65 Coupe. The aero advantages and frame stiffness the Type 65 Coupe offers sold me on the switch-o-rooney. So, I sold FFR#48 Challenge Car as a rolling chassis, kept all of the important stuff like engine, dry sump, trans, ecu, data logger, wing, and fuel cell which will go into the new build.

Mark Dougherty, Brendan Dougherty and I are building up the Gen3 Type 65 Coupe R starting in December near Hershey, PA, and will be race ready for the start of the 2017 NASA North East racing season (March/April timeframe.) We will also compete at the Grassroots Magazine’s Ultimate Track Car Challenge @ Virginia International Raceway May 2017.

The car will be classed in NASA ST2, Hoosier A7 DOT tires, and will have aero, front splitter, and rear wing.

Stay tuned for a ton of build pictures, and updates! Cant wait to get started! so excited! cant you tell! :)

Grassroots Motorsports Forum Build and Project Cars page (https://grassrootsmotorsports.com/forum/build-projects-and-project-cars/factory-five-gen3-type65-coupe-race/125711/page1/)

NASA ST2 (8.00:1 weight/power) rules calculations based on ST2 rules: https://nasaproracing.com/rules/Super_Touring_Unlimited_Rules.pdf

Adds/Deductions with Aero and 245 tires (front splitter, rear wing, diffuser, flat bottom):
Min weight of 2800lb = -.1
Use of 245 DOT tires = +.7
Non-Production vehicle = -.4
Total=+.2
Adjusted Wt/HP ratio formula is (8.00 - .2) = 7.8, to get MAX RWHP for NASA ST2, take weight divided by calculated Adjusted Wt/HP ratio. 2800lb/7.8 = 359RWHP

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Adds/Deductions with Aero and 275 tires (front splitter, rear wing, diffuser, flat bottom):
Min weight of 2800lb = -.1
Use of 275 DOT tires = +.3
Non-Production vehicle = -.4
Total=-.2
Adjusted Wt/HP ratio formula is (8.00 - (-.2)) = 8.2, to get MAX RWHP for NASA ST2, take weight divided by calculated Adjusted Wt/HP ratio. 2800lb/8.2 = 341RWHP

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Adds/Deductions with Aero and bigger then 275 tires (315 front/335 rear) (front splitter, rear wing, diffuser, flat bottom):
Min weight of 2800lb = -.1
Non-Production vehicle = -.4
Total=-.5
Adjusted Wt/HP ratio formula is (8.00 - (-.5)) = 8.5, to get MAX RWHP for NASA ST2, take weight divided by calculated Adjusted Wt/HP ratio. 2800lb/8.5 = 329RWHP

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If you do want to run NASA ST1 (6.00:1 weight/power) here is the math:

Adds/Deductions with Aero (front splitter, rear wing, diffuser, flat bottom) and Michelin Slicks (30/65-18 front, 31/71-18 rear, 18"x12" wheels):
Min weight of 2800lb = -.1
Use of Racing Slicks = -.5
Non-Production vehicle = -.4
Total=-1.0
Adjusted Wt/HP ratio formula is (6.00 - (-1.0)) = 7.0, to get MAX RWHP for NASA ST1, take weight divided by calculated Adjusted Wt/HP ratio. 2800lb/7.0 = 400RWHP

johngeorge

11-15-2016, 07:37 PM

Parts list can also be found here: http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/wordpress/ffr48-car-setup/part-numbers/

FFR#48 Gen3 Type 65 Coupe R (http://www.factoryfive.com/order-a-kit/gen-3-type-65-coupe-complete-kit/)

Used complete 2011-2014 F150 engine (19K miles) ~ $2500 (http://car-part.com/)
Oil - Mobile 1 Synthetic 0w40 *8 QT for Aviaid Drysump
ECU (choose one)

AEM - $3871.19 (advanced features including traction control, tune on the fly)

Infinity Series 7 ECU 30-7101 $2396.95
Plug and Play harness for coyote 30-3813 $979.24
O2 Sensors (2) 30-2001 $170
MAP sensor 30-2130-50 $150
Air Temp sensor 30-2010 $57
sub harness for map/air 30-3510-00 $58
Ford gas pedal BR3Z-95836-D $60

FORD -$2544

Coyote control pack $1674*Ford Racing fms-m-6017-a504v (http://www.summitracing.com/parts/fms-m-6017-a504v)*and Install Instructions (https://fordperformanceracingparts.com/download/instructionsheets/FordInstShtM-6017-A504V.pdf)
SCT X4 programmer $400
SCT Racer tuning software $300
Speedo recalibration $169.97*Ford Racing fms-m4209adptac (http://www.summitracing.com/parts/fms-m4209adptac)

FORD RACING Parts ($1035.73)

pilot bearing $9.97*Ford Racing fms-m-7600-b (http://www.summitracing.com/parts/fms-m-7600-b/overview/make/ford)
flywheel $393.97*Ford Racing fms-m-6375-r00a (http://www.summitracing.com/parts/fms-m-6375-r00a)
flywheel bolts $11.97*Ford Racing fms-m-6379-b (http://www.summitracing.com/parts/fms-m-6379-b/)
pressure plate bolt kit $13.97*Ford Racing fms-m-6397-a46 (http://www.summitracing.com/parts/fms-m-6397-a46)
bellhouse $403.97*Ford Racing fms-m-6392-m46 (http://www.summitracing.com/parts/fms-m-6392-m46)
bellhouse bolts $34.97*Ford Racing fms-m-7771-a (http://www.summitracing.com/parts/fms-m-7771-a)
bellhouse separator plate $34.97* Ford Racing fms-m-7007-a (http://www.summitracing.com/parts/fms-m-7007-a)
throwout bearing $51.97*Ford Racing fms-m-7548-a (http://www.summitracing.com/parts/fms-m-7548-a)
clutch fork $70*M-7515-A*Fortes Coyote Clutch fork (http://www.fortesparts.com/clutches-bellhousings-flywheels/coyote-clutch-fork)

Aviaid dry sump oiling system $3500

4 stage external dry sump pan with coyote mounting bracket (AC compressor)
9qt or 2.5*gallon oil reservoir 7.5" x 22"
steel pan with 3 sumps
10440801-270 BELT
remove old stock ford oil pump drive gear
ATI balancer and assorted drive gears/belts
Moroso Remote Filter Adapters 23687 (http://www.summitracing.com/parts/mor-23687)*$129
Vibrant Performance O-Ring to AN Adapter Fittings 16836 (http://www.summitracing.com/parts/VPE-16836)*$7.95
EAR-981410ERL*Fitting, External Hex Head Port Plug with O-Ring Seal, -10 AN
assorted -12AN / -10AN fittings/hoses

Transmission: Tremec TKO 600 Road Race with .82 5th $2450 TCET-4617 (http://www.fortesparts.com/tremec-transmissions/tko-600-tcet4617)
headers - 4into4 FFR (http://www.factoryfiveparts.com/stainless-5-0-coyote-4-into-4-headers/) $850
Clutch & Pressure Plate kit $120*NAPA NCF 1107042 (http://www.napaonline.com/Catalog/CatalogItemDetail.aspx/Clutch-Set-New/_/R-NCF1107042_0315039965) (1993 Ford mustang)
Clutch disc 26 spline for TKO600RR $139.06 McLeod Clutch Discs 260170 (https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mcl-260170)
fuel line fittings*$12.97*Russell rus-640853 (http://www.summitracing.com/parts/rus-640853)
power Steering pump/bracket -KRC Coyote BOSS302 pump and pulley*KIT 66302050 (http://www.krcpower.com/ecommerce/complete-engine-kits/ford-crate-engine-kits/complete-ford-boss-302-coyote-block-mounted-cast-iron-p-s-pump-and-pulley-kit.asp) $558.36

power steering reservoir $63.05*KRC91500000 (http://www.summitracing.com/parts/krs-krc91500000)
power Steering KRC Flow valve restrictor ID:6*KRC 25306000 (http://www.krcpower.com/ecommerce/part-krc-25306000.asp)$25.85
-10AN 45deg to barb $13.97 Summit Racing® Twist-Tite Swivel Hose Ends SUM-220708-B (http://www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-220708-b)
spare Power Steering Belt for KRC BOSS302 - 5 rib 28"*GDY 4050280 $9.97

starter $179 NAPA RAY 2449317 (https://www.napaonline.com/napa/en/p/RSE2449317/RSE2449317_0253439818)
serpentine belt alternator-waterpump 64" $24.99 GATES K060640 (http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/detail/GAT9/K060640.oap?year=1992&make=Ford&model=Mustang&vi=1 134065&ck=Search_6k640_1134065_4521&keyword=6k640)
alternator from F150 (mustang alternator pulley does not line up! different timing chain cover moves alternator out!) $384.77*Motorcraft GL8673 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00J5DTOP0?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=od_aui_detailp ages00), or $70 from junkyard
alternator bolt M10x40mm $3.03 Ford Part#*W715094S437
alternator bolt M10x90mm $3.11*Ford Part#W715092S437
fuel pressure regulator/fuel filter $69.97*ACDELCO GF822 (2004 corvette fuel filter/regulator) (http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/moreinfo.php?pk=91319&cc=1358579&jnid=501&jpid=3)
Coyote Cooling hose 90deg fitting heater core bypass (from left side to right side heads) Gates 28504 (https://www.rockauto.com/catalog/moreinfo.php?pk=5546298)*- Quantity=2, $15.30 each
Air Filter $55.99 K&N 5149 6.5" tall, 4" inlet (http://www.summitracing.com/parts/knn-rc-5149)
Spectre Performance Intake $70.81

Spectre Performance 9741 Black 4" x 3.5" Intake Coupler (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001OMK5NA/ref=od_aui_detailpages00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
Spectre Performance 9771 Black 4" Intake Coupler (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001OMK53K/ref=od_aui_detailpages00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
Spectre Performance 9799 4" 90 Degree Mandrel Intake Tube (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00553PQ4C/ref=od_aui_detailpages00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
Spectre Performance 9705 4" Polished Aluminum MAFS Adapter Tube (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003J9IXT4/ref=od_aui_detailpages00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)

Factory Five 2015 IRS (http://www.factoryfiveparts.com/all-new-2015-independent-rear-suspension/)*$2499

FORD RACING 2015-2017 MUSTANG IRS LOADED DIFFERENTIAL 3.73 TORSIN M-4001-88373
2015 Ford Mustang Knuckle Right FR3Z-5B758-B
2015 Ford Mustang Knuckle Left FR3Z-5B759-B
Hub assembly left*FR3Z-1104-B
Hub assembly right*FR3Z-1104-B
Oil - 1.5L of 75w90 + 4fl oz friction modifier
Diff cooler: Derale 15830 Econo-Cool Remote Cooler (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000GVIP5A/ref=od_aui_detailpages00?ie=UTF8&psc=1) $110
Diff cooler pump (super loud!): 12V Electric Oil Pump Diff Cooler Turbo Scavenge Conversion Gear Pump (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01GAU33T8/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)$70
Vent- Axle & Differential - VENT-FRT AX HSG 2L1Z4022BA $5.29 (https://parts.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=store.PartInfo&PartNumber=2L1Z4022BA&VehicleID=422257&diagram=JC15718&Title%3D-VENT)

LED H4 headlight bulb -* 40W 6,000K CREE LED Headlight Conversion Kit 8,000LM Works Underwater Rainproof driver (H4)*IDEAPRO H4 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B019C9EW4O?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailp age_o02_s00)
Headlight kit*-*Pilot Automotive WI-HL7A Head Lamp Conversion Kit (http://www.amazon.com/Pilot-WI-HL7A-Head-Lamp-Conversion/dp/B001UG9K04/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1460554343&sr=8-1&keywords=Pilot+Automotive+WI-HL7A)*$38.12
Steering Wheel*-*Grant #470 151-14 - Grant Formula-1 11.5 in. Diameter (http://www.amazon.com/Grant-15114-Steering-Wheel/dp/B001O0CIK0/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1460554381&sr=8-1-fkmr0&keywords=Grant+%23470+151-14)*$58.33

Brakes (not tested yet.. purchase at your own risk)

front and rear left 6piston caliper wilwood 120-13236 (https://www.summitracing.com/parts/wil-120-13236) $258ea
front and rear right 6piston calipers wilwood 120-13235 (https://www.summitracing.com/parts/wil-120-13235) $258ea
front radial caliper to spindle mounts (need 2) wilwood 250-6249 (https://www.summitracing.com/parts/wil-250-6249) $136ea
rear radial caliper to spindle mounts (need 2) wilwood 250-6309 $63.82ea
custom rear bracket to spindle adapter (lasercut from FFR)
Bracket/Spindle Mounting Bolt Kit (need 2) Wilwood 230-10647 (https://www.summitracing.com/parts/wil-230-10647) $30.49ea
18″ Flexline braided brake line Kit (need 2) Wilwood 220-12092 (https://www.summitracing.com/parts/wil-220-12092) $69.39ea
front and rear racing pads (need 2) Hawk HB512U.800 (http://www.hawkpadsdirect.com/Hawk-HB521U-800-Brake-Pads-p/hwkhb521u.800.htm)
front and rear rotors (need 4) – 2011 Mustang 336mm or 13.22″ – Bendix PRT6035 (https://www.summitracing.com/parts/ben-prt6035) $37.97ea
Front Master Cylinder – Wilwood 3/4 bore master cylinder kit 260-10372 (https://www.summitracing.com/parts/wil-260-10372)
Rear Master Cylinder – Wilwood 13/16 bore master cylinder kit 260-10373 (https://www.summitracing.com/parts/wil-260-10373)

65 Cobra Dude

11-15-2016, 08:45 PM

Looking forward to watching your build John and your racing in it next year!

Henry

Carlos C

11-15-2016, 09:41 PM

I echo Henry's enthusiasm.

Carlos

Mark Dougherty

11-16-2016, 09:07 AM

I cant wait to get started on this build
it will be a blast.
We have already prepped the parts and now just waiting for the kit.

David Hodgkins

11-16-2016, 10:45 AM

This is going to be my new favorite thread. Subscribing.

:)

Jacob McCrea

11-16-2016, 01:34 PM

I'm also looking forward to this; welcome to coupe building John!

Tarmac

11-16-2016, 10:34 PM

Subbed!

Vette1972

11-16-2016, 10:59 PM

I'm in. Three Gen 3 Coupes being built at the same time. Wow!

Plebeian

11-17-2016, 05:43 AM

Looking forward to seeing how this performs compared to the roadster.

KDubU

11-17-2016, 07:24 AM

This should be a very cool build.

DadofThree

11-17-2016, 03:50 PM

Oh Man!! I Love this! I'm fascinated with this Gen3 model. I may need to drop in to the Hershey area soon. :) I will be following this build

I'm also going to be using your shopping list for some items. thanks for posting it. :)

Garry Bopp

11-17-2016, 09:27 PM

This thread is going to be lots of fun to follow! Good luck on the build, John & Mark!

Garry

mjazzka

11-17-2016, 10:57 PM

Detailed plan and an aggressive timeline, I like it. This will be a good one, can't wait!

Sgt.Gator

11-18-2016, 01:50 AM

johngeorge

11-18-2016, 06:09 AM

Subscribed. I'm looking forward to the details on the R frame.

A couple of comments/questions:

Fuel Tank/Cell? Size? Fuel Pump(s)? Swirl Pot?

Single seater or two seats? I'm not sure how a second seat will work with the R frame mods.

Do you really need power steering in this race car?

This will be a great build to watch!

I am reusing the Fuel cell from my old challenge car, its a 22gal FuelSafe 34" x 18" x 9.5". Id like to put in a 32Gal cell but that will go in after 2019, when my current fuel cell bladder is set to expire. As for swirl pot, we figured out that if we run 2 sump boxes with 2 in-tank fuel pumps in each rear corner of the cell, T them together then out to the car there is no need for external swirl pot.

It will definitely have 2 seats, R frame mods have no affect on passenger seat area! it is fully available.

Yes YES YES to power steering in a race car. The speeds we are traveling requires the ability to make quick corrections to catch the car super fast, without power steering its almost impossible to do at the limit. I have race against non-power steering Challenge cars and its a clear advantage to have power steering, top drivers going at it, and power steering always wins.

R Thomas

11-21-2016, 10:00 PM

Do you anticipate any chassis mods or specific parts to satisfy NASA or other Racing requirements?

johngeorge

11-22-2016, 06:08 PM

Do you anticipate any chassis mods or specific parts to satisfy NASA or other Racing requirements?

The FFR type65 R chassis will have the necessary frame modifications needed to be NASA/SCCA legal.

vnmsss

11-23-2016, 01:44 AM

The FFR type65 R chassis will have the necessary frame modifications needed to be NASA/SCCA legal.

So glad you are joining the Coupe world, John! My Gen 3-R Coupe is on order as well, and looking forward to not only following your build, but running on track with you in the future! Karen

q4stix

11-23-2016, 01:35 PM

Is the "R" chassis something that is a "hidden menu item" since I don't see it on the FFR website? Is there an extra cost?

vnmsss

11-23-2016, 02:20 PM

Is the "R" chassis something that is a "hidden menu item" since I don't see it on the FFR website? Is there an extra cost?

Factory Five will be offering the Gen3 Coupe in a "R" configuration, much as they did with the Challenge Series roadsters, where the car was designed and built to a Club Code and Compliance Regulation (CCR) standard. John will likely have more details on when the "R" option will be available on the order form, as his R chassis will be the first off the jig. Not sure of additional cost.

FFRSpec72

11-23-2016, 02:37 PM

Should be a fun build, looking to see how these perform ! I'm not looking forward to having Karen lap me in her new R coupe once built !

GoDadGo

11-23-2016, 03:13 PM

My brother and I went to Panama City to see if his 6'4" body, with the 36" inseam legs and attached size 15 gun-boat feet fit in the New Type 65 Coupe.

Guess What Gang:

Bubba Fit, Even Though It Was A Tad Tight!

I can't wait to see this model evolve since I'm hoping to build one in a few years after my wallet heals and my last child makes his way through college.

Steve >> aka: GoDadGo

erlihemi

11-23-2016, 06:48 PM

Lurking:)

jkrueger

11-26-2016, 11:21 AM

Yeah, I'd be interested in what the R frame mods from FFR will be. It would be awesome if we could get the frame mods done by FFR directly.

Looking forward to following your build.

JC

johngeorge

12-17-2016, 12:24 PM

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2016/12/17/20161217104201-6a9b8be6-me.jpg
I had the opportunity to visit Factory Five Racing to see my Gen3 type65 Coupe R frame number 5 being born! I am scheduled to pick up the kit December 30, 2016.

Here are pictures of the frame being removed from the frame jig, and put on the rotisserie for final welding. The R (race) frame starts off as a street frame, then the addition of extra roll bars to make the R frame even stiffer, and most importantly legal for NASA/SCCA/etc racing.

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2016/12/17/20161217104204-3e9faa22-me.jpg
Jon Dean welding part of the independent rear suspension, still in the frame jig

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2016/12/17/20161217104207-301ea0d8-me.jpg

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2016/12/17/20161217104209-f402a729-me.jpg
We rolled out the frame jig/frame from FFR R&D, its time now to separate the frame from the jig.

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2016/12/17/20161217104215-1d5afb2a-me.jpg
little persuasion is used to pop the frame out of the jig

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2016/12/17/20161217104225-d5afaf99-me.jpg
slowly hoisting it off the jig

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2016/12/17/20161217104228-b6fc7569-me.jpg

johngeorge

12-17-2016, 12:31 PM

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2016/12/17/20161217104253-d1b3bdf3-me.jpg

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2016/12/17/20161217104256-8d7383de-me.jpg
the frame jig

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2016/12/17/20161217104259-9a186a72-me.jpg
finally bolting new frame to the rotisserie so Jon can spin the frame upside down to finish weld all the tubes.

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2016/12/17/20161217104156-66d80e8d-me.jpg

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2016/12/17/20161217104159-d17e8964-me.jpg
Jim worked with FFR body shaper John C. to make a type65 coupe splitter for the R coupes. It looks awesome and cant wait to see it fully assembled to the bottom splitter (same bottom splitter as the 818R uses.) This will be sold by Factory Five Racing!

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2016/12/17/20161217104301-1bd3f283-me.jpg
Jim also designed and laser cut brackets to mount the giant Wilwood 6-piston calipers to the 2015 IRS spindle. Minor alteration of the stock spindle are required to make this setup work. Stay tuned for detailed instructions on how to make this work.

johngeorge

12-17-2016, 12:31 PM

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2016/12/17/20161217104312-6b405507-me.jpg
The wide body Wilwood 6 piston caliper (the pads are .8 inches thick!) while using the Mustang 2011-2014 Mustang 336mm or 13.22″ Bendix PRT6035 rotor.

Im getting really excited about the new type65 coupe R build, picking up the kit December 30, 2016 and driving it down to Mark&Brendan and will start working on it right away. New Years in PA :)

John Dol

12-17-2016, 12:49 PM

Very cool John!!
Those brakes look huge

John

Vette1972

12-17-2016, 01:33 PM

Thanks John! That is a really beefed up frame. Looks like great work. Will be watching your build with great interest.

q4stix

12-17-2016, 03:33 PM

Looking good!
Are you or someone from Factory Five able to mark which frame modifications are being done to the R chassis? Since the frame is already different from the Gen 2, it's hard for me to tell

johngeorge

12-17-2016, 05:03 PM

Carlos C

12-17-2016, 08:43 PM

I love that front bumper extension. It looks really good in my opinion, and I hope they do put it into production. I wonder with the slight differences on the nose between the revisions, if this bumper extension will fit the Gen 2, even if with some modifications.

Carlos

David Hodgkins

12-17-2016, 09:38 PM

Carlos C

12-17-2016, 10:48 PM

That's a MKII Coupe that it is mocked up against...

:)

Now that you mention it, I see that you're right. Well, I may be getting one for my Gen 2.

Carlos

Garry Bopp

12-18-2016, 02:14 PM

Thanks, John. The pictures are great!

Garry

CraigS

12-20-2016, 07:38 AM

Look at that frame. Not a 4 inch tube anywhere! FFR has come a long way w/ their design capabilities. A friend is building a 33 hot rod and each time I see it, I am very impressed by that frame design compared to my roadster. Looks like the new coupe is similar technology.

johngeorge

12-21-2016, 10:00 AM

Jim @ FFR sent me these pics of the R frame mods. Notice the door bars (it jets inboard to let the door hinge work,) rear diagonal bar, front hoop 'gusset' bars, middle of rear top hoop to shock tower, and front bars in front of the passenger. The frame is getting finish welded today, and off to get powder coated :D

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2016/12/21/20161221095140-50cf28c3-me.jpg

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2016/12/21/20161221095135-3590c36f-me.jpg

GoDadGo

12-21-2016, 10:30 AM

T_H_I_S___C_H_A_S_S_I_S___L_O_O_K_S___ F_A_N_T_A_S_T_I_C_!

You've got to be so pumped up and ready to put this thing together!

johngeorge

12-21-2016, 10:39 AM

T_H_I_S___C_H_A_S_S_I_S___L_O_O_K_S___ F_A_N_T_A_S_T_I_C_!

You've got to be so pumped up and ready to put this thing together!

dude.. you dont even know! best XMAS ever :)

Vette1972

12-21-2016, 10:57 AM

dude.. you dont even know! best XMAS ever :)

Congrats John! We all are excited as well. This is going to be a great winter to see new Coupes being built by the pros for us new guys. Thanks!

Jacob McCrea

12-22-2016, 11:10 AM

Wow, that chassis looks incredible. I thought if I ever built another kit car, it would be a GT40, but this Gen 3 Coupe changes that completely.

Also, FFR should hold a contest to see who guesses the number of triangles on the "R" chassis; give the winner a few t-shirts and a gift certificate.

jceckard

12-22-2016, 12:28 PM

Also, FFR should hold a contest to see who guesses the number of triangles on the "R" chassis; give the winner a few t-shirts and a gift certificate.

Yeah, definitely 48. 48 triangles. Gotta watch Wapner.

John Dol

12-22-2016, 12:38 PM

That chassis looks killer!

John

vnmsss

12-22-2016, 02:40 PM

johngeorge

12-22-2016, 07:06 PM

We will do a live video stream Saturday Dec 31, 2016 - Tuesday Jan 3, 2017 from the shop of us starting the build. We hope to have coupe rolling by Tuesday! stay tuned :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRSdbxzEF88

If this video does not embed on the forum, go here for the Live video feed website: http://www.youtube.com/user/ffr48/live

Vette1972

12-22-2016, 09:51 PM

Wow John, that is exciting to say the least! No Football, gotta watch them build a car. Best New Years ever. For a new guy still learning this will be a great education. Good Luck! Len

Martin

12-23-2016, 04:53 AM

Wow John, that is exciting to say the least! No Football, gotta watch them build a car. Best New Years ever. For a new guy still learning this will be a great education. Good Luck! Len

Rolling by Tuesday?

When those guys get rocking, they really move. It felt like I had the aluminium riveted, the wheels, engine, brakes and transmission in on the first day. It's all relative to my glacial speed of progress.

Martin

jkrueger

12-23-2016, 12:46 PM

Lookin' good, John. Doing my chassis in white, as the lighter color better facilitates the ability to monitor chassis stress. Can't wait to begin the build!

K

Warrior Princess #28 Challenge Coupe

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r27/snkbtn/2012%20Coupe/Chassiswmbldn3finish.jpg (http://s140.photobucket.com/user/snkbtn/media/2012%20Coupe/Chassiswmbldn3finish.jpg.html)

Our Gen II R coupes look like ancient technology compared to the new R model don't they. I am planning to take my coupe off the road this year and make it a dedicated race car. I am also going to work on getting a NASA competition license this year as well. It looks like the coupe fits well into ST2 so I am going to build my car to that class as well.

I am really looking forward to your build, John. Maybe someday I'll get to race with you in our coupes.

JC

jkrueger

12-23-2016, 02:16 PM

John

What kind of spring rates are you going to start with?

JC

edit: disregard. You will have the new IRS, I still have the 3-link.

R Thomas

12-23-2016, 03:35 PM

Saw the Christmas release from Dave - Karen will likely be jumping up and down over the factory white powder coat. And Merry Christmas to all the Factory Five staff and customers this is one way 2016 was a great year. To John thanks for all the info you provide in your postings. Wish you all luck with progress on your plans.

johngeorge

12-23-2016, 04:02 PM

Dave Smith just posted this in an email to everyone :) it looks awesome in white!!

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/upload/2016/12/23/20161223150501-5eabdb95.jpg

johngeorge

12-23-2016, 04:03 PM

John

What kind of spring rates are you going to start with?

JC

Probably the same as in the challenge car...

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/wordpress/ffr48-car-setup/ for setup info

MPTech

12-23-2016, 05:07 PM

Did the new R chassis lose the 4" main-tubes?
That white chassis looks pretty good. How much stiffer is the new frame with all of the new cross-bracing? (did the old one really flex?)

GoDadGo

12-23-2016, 07:25 PM

Did the new R chassis lose the 4" main-tubes?
That white chassis looks pretty good. How much stiffer is the new frame with all of the new cross-bracing? (did the old one really flex?)

Yes, the 4" tubes are gone and the chassis is 7-10 times stiffer since adopting the new truss/space frame style chassis. Also, we've seen and sat in the completed car and rolling chassis at Cruising The Emerald Coast on their way back from SEMA and they were amazing.

1. It has a lot more room than the old model and even fit my 6'4" brother with his Gun Boat size 15 feet and 3'0" legs.
2. Foot room is excellent compared to the MK-4 and old Type-65!
3. Once he got in the chassis he fit quite well; however, it was a bit tough for him to get in and out since he's not very flexible.
4. If you are a big dude, you likely can fit in the new coupe.

This is a major step forward and the car is really something to be seen & I hope to build one in 3-5 years.

Mitch Wright

12-27-2016, 11:30 AM

What a great build, going to be fun to watch John. been thinking about my next future project and when I saw the MkIII announcement it sure got me thinking in that direction.

johngeorge

12-27-2016, 01:06 PM

What a great build, going to be fun to watch John. been thinking about my next future project and when I saw the MkIII announcement it sure got me thinking in that direction.

stop thinking and do it!!

alpine227

12-27-2016, 07:49 PM

Dave Smith just posted this in an email to everyone :) it looks awesome in white!!

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/upload/2016/12/23/20161223150501-5eabdb95.jpg

Like a fresh canvas waiting to be painted. Look forward to watching the build for sure.

Mitch Wright

12-28-2016, 10:20 AM

LOL I need spend some time playing with my 818R that I just finished and sorting out. Now if I had a few bags full of money laying around the house I would be right there.

johngeorge

12-30-2016, 06:42 AM

So.. today at 11am EST I am picking up my gen3 kit!! omg OMG!!

wallace18

12-30-2016, 07:13 AM

So.. today at 11am EST I am picking up my gen3 kit!! omg OMG!!

Super Cool! Hope the weather is OK.

Martin

12-30-2016, 12:03 PM

Are you going to post the link to the live stream here John?

Presto51

12-30-2016, 12:45 PM

Check out post # 46

Ron

Olli

12-30-2016, 02:23 PM

Love the white chassis! Good luck with the build.

Olli

johngeorge

12-31-2016, 08:22 AM

picked up kit!! and at Marks house how ready for the build.

pics from pickup and at FFR here: http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/index.php?/category/387

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/upload/2016/12/30/20161230142709-21dab708.jpg

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2016/12/30/20161230142934-d0f7d12e-me.jpg

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2016/12/30/20161230142945-d8012ddf-me.jpg

johngeorge

12-31-2016, 08:25 AM

WE ARE STREAMING LIVE!!

https://www.youtube.com/user/ffr48/live

R Thomas

12-31-2016, 10:57 AM

Looks good, nice crew you assembled there. Looking forward to the build progressing.

John Dol

12-31-2016, 11:18 AM

Very cool, will be checking back on this regularly!

John

WIS89

12-31-2016, 11:45 AM

John-

Tell Mark that he needs to put a website and a phone number on his T-shirts!

I have been, and will continue to, watch on and off through the weekend. Football and car building; does it get any better?

Regards,

Steve

Vette1972

12-31-2016, 11:49 AM

Football on TV and following games on computer. Live stream of Gen 3 Race Coupe. Wife setting up munchie trays. Fire going in wood stove. Life is good!

John, Mark and gang nice stream on the build!

johngeorge

01-01-2017, 06:53 AM

Lots of progress made yesterday. We got the engine in place to check dry sump tank placement, rear end in, rear suspension hung and finger tight, working on front suspension. The boys drilled a bunch of panels already. We even put the seat in and I sat in it!! lots of room, I will move the seat up for sure heh

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2016/12/31/20161231192859-b45dd2f1-me.jpg

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2016/12/31/20161231192903-c4f29d1b-me.jpg

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2016/12/31/20161231192950-3f07de71-me.jpg

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2016/12/31/20161231192939-7c940b8c-me.jpg

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2016/12/31/20161231192925-721f79b3-me.jpg

Mark Dougherty

01-01-2017, 06:57 AM

Will do another live feed on my Facebook today at at 9 am.
It was way to much fun yesterday

johngeorge

01-01-2017, 06:58 AM

Sunday's Jan 1, 2017 livestream here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3i4EQF9rI1o

On the todo list for today
1. finish rear suspension
2. finish front suspension
3. get pedal box in place
4. mount brakes, shim them correctly
5. run brake lines

Mark Dougherty

01-01-2017, 07:16 AM

Already live on YouTube link

Vette1972

01-01-2017, 08:57 AM

Mark, John & crew,

Things are looking good and great progress.

Thanks, Len

alpine227

01-01-2017, 01:59 PM

AZPete

01-02-2017, 04:05 PM

Mon 1/2: Live Stream not live. Huh?

Martin

01-02-2017, 05:17 PM

It's live on YouTube . Search ffr48

johngeorge

01-02-2017, 11:15 PM

Mon 1/2: Live Stream not live. Huh?

The live stream link is here https://www.youtube.com/user/ffr48/live

YouTube does different things with past live stream links, allows you to embed to them directly but does not work for New live streams so you have to go to the link above for the latest live now link.

We will do half day tomorrow (Tuesday) and do a recap at the end explaining all that was done these past 3.5 days. I have to go back to NH and will be down again Jan 14-16 weekend.

johngeorge

01-03-2017, 07:10 AM

Things accomplished yesterday:
front suspension, including swaybar
rear suspension, including swaybar
steering rack with rack extenders
wilwood brakes with mustang rotors
dash layout/placement of datalogger
pass door inner structure fir around NASCAR bars
Coyote control pack routing determined, ECU installed including ECU fuse box
dry sump tank installed
remote oil filter installed

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/01/03/20170103070427-1321a161-me.jpg

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/01/03/20170103070442-ebcef901-me.jpg

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/01/03/20170103070446-b31a12e7-me.jpg

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/01/03/20170103070450-e6b092b2-me.jpg

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/01/03/20170103070503-31ba8013-me.jpg

CraigS

01-03-2017, 07:18 AM

John, where did the rod end IRS LCAs and UCAs come from? I have modified fronts myself but wasn't aware they were available for the new IRS. Dang I need an upgrade already and my MkII retro-install IRS is only 6 weeks old. BTW what gear oil did you use in the IRS diff in your roadster? Mine has a lot of driveline slop noise and it's a 315 w/ standard ford tracLoc. I swapped to 80-140 oil yesterday as a test but rain keeps me in the garage.

Mark Dougherty

01-03-2017, 10:11 PM

Not an option
We made them
Ford racing diff 373 gears came with the oil in it

johngeorge

01-04-2017, 08:29 AM

Day 4 - half a day as I have to drive back home.

We installed fuel cell, riveted some aluminum, made rear trunk floor access panel for the fuel cell access/service, put the body back on, put wheels on, measured the cars weight with me in it, and a bunch of stuff still missing. ITS A ROLLER!! we rolled it off the lift and put it in storage till next weekend (Jan 13-16)

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/01/03/20170103230639-27086282-me.jpg

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/01/03/20170103230720-ef1a9cf3-me.jpg
fuelcell access panel in trunk. We need to service and get inside cell, its this big to make things easier in the future. We will have a plate to cover the opening.

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/01/03/20170103230800-1a57255b-me.jpg

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/01/03/20170103230846-0d072ddb-me.jpg
you can see the rear needs wheel spacers!! I need to run 245/40/17 for my class, the kit was designed around 335" wheels! time for some wheel spacers

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/01/03/20170103230843-4e32b1fc-me.jpg

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/01/03/20170103230910-9c9b1a10-me.jpg
Mark even fit!! he doesn't fit in the seat itself, but we took that out and he has room in there with a different seat for sure. He being huge has to modify the stock seat anyway..

johngeorge

01-04-2017, 08:58 AM

What a great way to start off 2017, building a new car!!! Mark, Brendan, Wanda, and Matty Dougherty, I can't thank you all enough for the hospitality, and putting up with my coupe build! We accomplished what we set out to do, have a rolling chassis at the end of 3.5 days! we did it! and had a blast.

The Factory Five's type65 Coupe kit is spectacular! No issues whatsoever! We had a couple of people stop by during the build and everyone that saw it was super impressed with the frame. Dave Smith's idea of painting the R frame white is AWESOME! I cant get over how great the frame looks.

WIS89

01-04-2017, 09:43 AM

John-

Congratulations on a great start and accomplishing so much in a short period of time!

The car looks awesome, and I agree with you on the frame; white looks terrific.

I am looking forward to your next weekend of work. You all do somie great work! Thanks for allowing us in to watch your progress!

I hope your race season is even more successful than your build progress!!

Regards,

Steve

Sgt.Gator

01-04-2017, 01:38 PM

When I watched the Live Stream (very cool, thanks!) you had problems with the tranny and headers not fitting. How did you resolve those?

johngeorge

01-04-2017, 03:15 PM

When I watched the Live Stream (very cool, thanks!) you had problems with the tranny and headers not fitting. How did you resolve those?

My transmission is a super old Tremec 3550, mid-shift, which for the coupe as it puts the shifter in the wrong location. I have 2 of them (one as a spare.) The rear shift position on my 3550 has only one placement, rear rear mounting, where on a newer TKO transmission, the rear shifter position is symmetric and can be rear front mounting, or rear rear mounting location. I will pick up a TKO600RR from Mike Forte next Wednesday and that will solve everything. After all TKO500/600 is the transmission FFR designed the kit for.

If anyone is looking for a used Tremec 3550 fresh rebuild from Hanlon Transmissions with the carbon syncros and such, I have two of them on sale for a good price :)

As for the exhaust, I am trying to reuse the side exhaust from the Challenge car as I know it works with this engine, its been run before and tuned for this exhaust to make the power necessary for my class rules and more importantly I know the dB level on how loud the exhaust is for those tracks like Limerock, Palmer, etc that have specified dB sound limit. We will probably look at it a lot closer next weekend to see if we can get it to work. If not, we will use the FFR coupe exhaust that comes with the kit

Please note these 2 things are not issues. They are me trying to re-use parts I already have, which were in the old Challenge car a.k.a "the parts car". If you were to build this from scratch you'd purchase a TKO600 and use the coupe side exhaust that comes with the kit.

johngeorge

01-04-2017, 03:24 PM

Mark took some pics outside

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/01/04/20170104105954-5b434fc6-me.jpg

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/01/04/20170104105944-f06c05e8-me.jpg

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/01/04/20170104110005-109370e4-me.jpg

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/01/04/20170104110032-c2c16210-me.jpg

erlihemi

01-04-2017, 04:36 PM

John,

This is absolutely awesome that you and Mark, Brendan, Wanda, and Matty Dougherty are sharing your time with us. This is a great build to watch coming together. Looking forward to the continued progress.
Is there stadium seating available in Marks garage?
Thanks for sharing the live feeds too!

John Dol

01-04-2017, 09:47 PM

Very cool progress John. Thanks for sharing on you tube.
I agree on the white frame, it's awesome.
Mark is the man, can't go wrong there.

John

johngeorge

01-05-2017, 11:07 AM

OK.. Brendan measured the NAPA starter Part# RAY 2449317 (https://www.napaonline.com/napa/en/p/RSE2449317/RSE2449317#) and it is 5 7/8" long instead of 7 1/4" long for the one I had before. The starter change will fix clearance issues to motor mount.

the funny part is the 2015+ starter looks exactly like the napa part

NAPA
http://s7d9.scene7.com/is/image/GenuinePartsCompany/NWMDC?$Product=GenuinePartsCompany/3006070

2015-2017 Ford
https://cfc7329ad537523a5de1-b21544d490ba797ec9de9d17e947de3d.ssl.cf1.rackcdn.c om/lrs-11002g_06a54764.jpg

kabacj

01-05-2017, 05:43 PM

Thanks for posting all the details and part numbers John. It will make it much easier for us to quickly build up a type R to come out and race with you.

philg

01-05-2017, 08:03 PM

John,Sent you a PM

CraigS

01-06-2017, 07:31 AM

Great progress John. Are those the wheels and tires you have to run in the series you race in? Those rears could be 4 inches wider.

johngeorge

01-06-2017, 08:40 AM

Great progress John. Are those the wheels and tires you have to run in the series you race in? Those rears could be 4 inches wider.

have to run 245" or smaller tires for NASA ST2. We will get hub-centric wheel spacers to fix that issue.

GoDadGo

01-06-2017, 11:47 AM

have to run 245" or smaller tires for NASA ST2. We will get hub-centric wheel spacers to fix that issue.

What about a different set of wheels with a better offset?

While hub-centric spacers will do the trick for a street car; however, I've seen many your racing videos and would have concerns about using them at the speeds you drive.

Also, at what speed did your Challenge Car become unstable that caused you to add the Mega Wing & Super Low Splitter?

Mitch Wright

01-06-2017, 12:27 PM

Thanks fun watching your Build John.

johngeorge

01-06-2017, 12:36 PM

What about a different set of wheels with a better offset?

While hub-centric spacers will do the trick for a street car; however, I've seen many your racing videos and would have concerns about using them at the speeds you drive.

Also, at what speed did your Challenge Car become unstable that caused you to add the Mega Wing & Super Low Splitter?

Challenge car was never unstable. The aero was to get more grip in the turns.

GoDadGo

01-06-2017, 12:49 PM

Good To Know & Thanks!

With 5th gear (.75) and 6th gear (.49) being over drives, getting to break neck speeds will possible even with 3.73's out back.

Hope to have some fun at NOLA Motorsports Park (Open Track Days / Not Racing) once it is completed.

johngeorge

01-06-2017, 08:25 PM

OK all, sped up 34 hours of video down to 36 minutes :) enjoy! Narrated by Mark and Wanda.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqv272skMIQ

and

Coupe build weekend #1 recap (http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/wordpress/2017/01/06/coupe-build-weekend-1-recap/)

Mark Dougherty

01-06-2017, 08:47 PM

John
You rock that video is increadible

John Dol

01-07-2017, 12:20 PM

Nice recap, looking forward to 13-16th!

John

Sgt.Gator

01-07-2017, 03:30 PM

have to run 245" or smaller tires for NASA ST2. We will get hub-centric wheel spacers to fix that issue.

Just to clarify for folks thinking about racing this car: You can run any size tire/wheel you want. There is a HP/WT penalty depending on the type of tire (Racing Slicks vs DOT approved) and tire width.

NASA ST/TT Car Classification Form 2017 (v11.1/14.1)

If:
Tire size 245 or smaller (DOT approved), add 0.7
Tire size 275 to 250 (DOT approved), add 0.3
Tire size 9.5” (241mm) or smaller (non-DOT approved), add 0.7
Tire size 10.5” (267mm) to 9.6” (244mm) (non-DOT approved), add 0.3

If:
Non-DOT approved tires (ST1/TT1, ST2/TT2, ST3/TT3 only), subtract 0.5

ST4/TT4 Only: DOT-approved R-compound Autocross tires, subtract 1.0
(Examples: A6, A7, R1S, RS AC, Z214-C90/91)

If you want to run 315 Hoosier R7's on the back you would not add or subtract from the calculation. JohnGeorge gets to add 0.7 by running 245's. It's up to the builder/racer to decide if the additional traction of wide tires is worth the HP/WT penalty.

Trying to figure out all the possible combinations on paper wil drive you insane. Thankfully NASA has provided a spreadsheet to help with running all the hypotheticals: https://nasa-assets.s3.amazonaws.com/document/document/4423/NASA_ST_U_1_2_3_Class_Calculator_2016_v1.xlsx

The calculator hasn't been updated with the 2017 changes.

Here's the 2017 Rules. https://nasa-assets.s3.amazonaws.com/document/document/4272/ST_Rules_2017--v11.5--12-27-16.pdf
Note the FF Type 65 is subject to special rules on pages 11 and 12.

Here's the 2017 form: https://nasa-assets.s3.amazonaws.com/document/document/421/ST___TT_Car_Classification_Form__2017_v11.5-14.1--12-27-16.pdf

CraigS

01-09-2017, 07:18 AM

What does "add 0.7" or "subtract 0.5" mean?

johngeorge

01-09-2017, 08:03 AM

What does "add 0.7" or "subtract 0.5" mean?

NASA ST2 rules start at 8.0:1 weight/power ratio. You add or subtract from that number giving you the 'adjusted weight/power' ratio.
you can see my math on post#1 http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showthread.php?22647-Gen-3-FFR-48-Type-65-Coupe-R-Build&p=257718&viewfull=1#post257718

Jacob McCrea

01-09-2017, 08:35 AM

You guys accomplished in five days what it took me five years to do on my Gen. 2 coupe; keep up the good work!

johngeorge

01-10-2017, 08:15 AM

Build weekend #2 live video stream starts this Friday Jan 13, 2017 - Monday Jan 16, 2017.

Weekend goal = go-cart

link: https://www.youtube.com/user/ffr48/live (https://www.youtube.com/user/ffr48/live)

Lostinthewoods

01-13-2017, 04:29 PM

What are your initial impressions of the new body? The hood looks like it will be an easy fit. Do you foresee any alignment issues or major tweaking required? Does the now hood require less trimming than previous generations? Thanks and great job on the videos!

R Thomas

01-14-2017, 08:14 AM

Driveshaft Questions

Was watching some of the video from yesterday and got to thinking about driveshaft alignment being critical. Could you guys comment on how things differ with IRS and Live axles. From a quick glance it appears you should see almost no movement with IRS so why isn't it just a direct connect?

Secondly I always heard that there needed to be a small matching angle at both ends for a live axle but it doesn't look like the IRS has any adjustability. So how do you set the proper angles with IRS?

Vette1972

01-14-2017, 09:16 AM

Live Stream is active this morning on the build. Youtube ffr48

Mark Dougherty

01-15-2017, 06:38 AM

Initial fit of the body is great.
they have solved the hood issue. making sure the sides are not to tall.

you can set the drive shaft angle with the trans mount
shimming it up or down if needed.

DonW

01-15-2017, 01:01 PM

The livestream is cool!

What is the stand that is being used? It seems the car can be lifted pretty high.

Russ Thompson

01-15-2017, 05:56 PM

The project is looking great, I like the R nose splitter too, looks fantastic!

R Thomas

01-16-2017, 03:00 PM

He drove it out the door today!

Mark Dougherty

01-16-2017, 03:56 PM

I have an atlas mid rise 6000lb. lift.

We met our goal this weekend.
we are a total of 7 working days into this build, and having a blast. Incredibly well engineered.
John Drove the coupe today. :) :) I did a short live stream of it. on facebook.
we will be back at it on the 28th of this month for another 3 1/2 days.

weekend 3 list will be:
fit nose
fit the doors
and make open and close
fit inner and outer window nets
Fab seat mounts
finish wiring, Racepack, cool suit, defrosters, wipers, aux fuel pump, diff cooler
transponder,

Dave Tabor

01-16-2017, 04:27 PM

Saw that drive-out- congrats!

I'm seriously considering building one- decisions, decisions...motor, R frame or not...It will be for street and HPDE days...

Thank you for posting all of this- it is and will be an invaluable resource.

Dave

johngeorge

01-16-2017, 09:31 PM

YES!! we drove it out of the garage today!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5CMtlo963Q

Garry Bopp

01-16-2017, 09:37 PM

Dave,

If you only plan on street and HPDE, the regular frame is plenty strong. I ran my Gen 1 coupe in HPDE and several other track day events and it did just fine. The Gen 3 street version frame is over 7 times stronger than my old Gen 1. Also, the R version is more challenging to get in and out of, due to the side intrusion bars.

Garry

johngeorge

01-17-2017, 07:07 AM

Weekend #3 update:

Drove it! see video above.

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/01/16/20170116213035-a8f23863-me.jpg
put heat shield on the insides of the footboxes.

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/01/16/20170116213214-a525998d-me.jpg
Engine/trans installed, installed headers, then noticed some header bolts were stripped! pulled engine back out and helicoiled bad header bolts

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/01/16/20170116213338-6669fb61-me.jpg
2015+ starter much smaller and fits perfectly!

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/01/16/20170116213628-f5b9ca1d-me.jpg
installed Summit heater box (no AC!) in pass top footbox

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/01/16/20170116213525-30999905-me.jpg
driveshaft installed

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/01/16/20170116214807-ace0ba9b-me.jpg
figured out dash layout

johngeorge

01-17-2017, 07:09 AM

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/01/16/20170116214803-4e3d7185-me.jpg
3" wheel spacers. will get hub centric later.

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/01/16/20170116214817-3059ebb2-me.jpg
wheel spacers installed and looks great

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/01/16/20170116214814-14b72e7b-me.jpg

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/01/16/20170116215203-cc7384e1-me.jpg
rear is WIDE!

johngeorge

01-17-2017, 07:14 AM

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/01/16/20170116214838-5284f3c9-me.jpg
Mark designing rear wing mount using back of car as whiteboard (or redboard heh)

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/01/16/20170116214900-860f486f-me.jpg
concept of what we are looking for

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/01/16/20170116214942-61b9cc87-me.jpg
our wing mount mocked up

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/01/16/20170116214933-2f4505d9-me.jpg

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/01/16/20170116215012-336c38ba-me.jpg

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/01/16/20170116214957-e527342e-me.jpg

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/01/16/20170116214848-66f9b167-me.jpg

johngeorge

01-17-2017, 07:19 AM

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/01/16/20170116215237-2b280936-me.jpg
upper radiator hose

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/01/16/20170116215233-17cc8449-me.jpg
straight tube from autozone (Part#81201 1.5ID x 25)

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/01/16/20170116215241-4fcafd48-me.jpg
lower radiator hose shipped with kit

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/01/16/20170116215258-0b81bb7a-me.jpg

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/01/16/20170116215245-976ed6c2-me.jpg

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/01/16/20170116215248-d7bf72c3-me.jpg

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/01/16/20170116215252-02adeacd-me.jpg

johngeorge

01-17-2017, 07:25 AM

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/01/16/20170116215357-f3691194-me.jpg
dash coming together. Wanted fuse panel easily accessible so mounted it on the dash. Will have to extend a bunch of wires because default location is above drivers feet. We wrapped the aluminum with carbon fiber vinyl to cut down on the reflection in the window

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/01/16/20170116215400-4be32bfb-me.jpg

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/01/16/20170116213405-2d8e7f32-me.jpg
defrost vents are the only ones that will be connected to heater box, because racecar!

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/01/16/20170116215412-ad0c3296-me.jpg
and it runs! idling away, started first try (well after we figured out the fuel pump was temporarily wired incorrectly)

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/01/16/20170116215420-c2245e41-me.jpg
after its first drive

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/01/16/20170116215437-8b6d262d-me.jpg

Vette1972

01-17-2017, 08:11 AM

John & Crew,

WOW! Great detail on exciting build! The car looks great and it's been fun to follow along on the live stream. Thanks!

Where & when will you race this year? Be great to see you in action.

Thanks again,
Len

johngeorge

01-17-2017, 08:15 AM

jkrueger

01-17-2017, 10:34 AM

Great progress! What wing are you using?

JC

Vette1972

01-17-2017, 11:36 AM

My race schedule is here: http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/wordpress/race-schedule/

Thanks John! I may try to get to VIR in March to catch you on the track. Len

Martin

01-17-2017, 12:57 PM

I'd never imagined a coupe with a rear wing. I can see that being a love/hate thing for a lot of people, but I think it could look great. Being that far behind the rear wheels I assume the down force will be quite significant?

Martin

SkiRideDrive

01-17-2017, 03:37 PM

Wing is awesome!

Hankl

01-19-2017, 01:01 AM

Raise your right hand and say after me,

"I (State your name), do swear/affirm, that upon acceptance of this "Revered Coupe Jacket", will willingly subject myself to all manner of frustration and abrasion that my FFR Type 65 will provide. I further pledge that any and all fellow Coupe builders will have free reign in using the cash available in my wallet as they see fit to improve my build plan. I will not look down upon our fellow Roadster builders, but rather take pity on those not talented enough to build a race car with a roof(FINALLY), So Help Me God!"

It is my pleasure to present you with the "Revered Coupe Jacket", Here's your sign!!

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w284/hankl_album/straight_jacket_backFS-1.jpg

Hankl :cool:

johngeorge

01-19-2017, 06:56 AM

hahaha nice Hankl :)

erlihemi

01-19-2017, 08:08 PM

I'm just going to bump this post to the top every time I check on it. Revered Coupe Jacket and all...

johngeorge

01-20-2017, 08:40 PM

Wow so cool!! Thanks Mark Gearhart for writing this :)

http://www.hotrod.com/articles/building-factory-fives-new-r-type-daytona-coupe/

jkrueger

01-20-2017, 09:36 PM

Very cool!

Wow so cool!! Thanks Mark Gearhart for writing this :)

http://www.hotrod.com/articles/building-factory-fives-new-r-type-daytona-coupe/

Mark Dougherty

01-21-2017, 12:09 PM

more parts coming in everyday
we will be back on it next weekend starting Sat. morning ending on Tuesday afternoon.
Goals for next weekend
wiring and body fitting.

Vette1972

01-21-2017, 12:25 PM

Mark & John,

The build is looking great! Hope to catch some of the live stream next week.

Thanks,
Len

Plebeian

01-21-2017, 02:23 PM

WIS89

01-21-2017, 02:48 PM

Very cool!

John-

That's a very nice read, and pleased to see you get some pretty nice press!

I have really enjoyed watching your progress, and I am sure you must be thrilled with how it is all coming together.

Thanks for all the details, and especially the live stream; that has been awesome!!

Mark-

I look forward to reading your follow-up articles. Very enjoyable read, and I am even more excited about the new Coupe!!

Regards,

Steve

Mark Dougherty

01-22-2017, 09:28 AM

we will be doing both
John will live stream the youtube video again, and I will do a couple hours each day on facebook live.

Mitch Wright

01-26-2017, 04:57 PM

John,
If you wanted to travel a little further south NASA Great Lakes is here at NCM Motorsports Park March 17-19 and September 29-30 October 1st.

The car looks great BTW.

johngeorge

01-27-2017, 06:30 AM

Build weekend #3 live video stream starts this Saturday Jan 28, 2017 – Tuesday Jan 31, 2017.

link: https://www.youtube.com/user/ffr48/live

Weekend goal:

finish all wiring
fit body and doors
fit seat
fit window net
finish exhaust
hood hinge assembly
fit rear aluminum uprights for wing

Dave Tabor

01-29-2017, 09:54 PM

I guess we will find out, but I'm curious if you will set the front windshield by yourself and/or use some sort of plastidip on the body.

I'm also interested in how the seats bolt-up: to what, need to fab something, etc?

I ordered a road-Coupe kit for early April delivery. The plan is 302-carb'd, TKO600, IRS, stock brakes, power-steering, low-buckets until I decide what seats to ultimately go with.

Dave

johngeorge

02-01-2017, 09:14 PM

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/01/31/20170131231028-ae49ddca-me.jpg
Progress after 10 total days of work on FFR#48 Gen 3 type65 Coupe R build. Starting to look like a racecar!

Another fun packed weekend with the goal to finish wiring, fit body/doors, seat, window net, exhaust, hood hinge, and rear wing uprights. We got most of that list done.

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/01/31/20170131230051-c12b7342-me.jpg
New rear wing uprights look great

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/01/31/20170131230121-80725e2f-me.jpg
Modified gas pedal to shorten it up

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/01/31/20170131230217-d2141eb0-me.jpg
Mark cutting out for hood louver install

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/01/31/20170131230355-e54f1c67-me.jpg
Nose with all of the aero bits added (hood louvers, splitter, and cannards)

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/01/31/20170131231018-b3016a65-me.jpg
Wiring all done finally. Brendan and I stripped the chassis harness eliminating a bunch of un-needed junctions/unions. Mark worked on getting the roadster exhaust shoe-horned into the coupe, and will get that done next build weekend.

johngeorge

02-01-2017, 09:17 PM

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/01/31/20170131231102-0f424e9c-me.jpg
The car looks spectacular! We worked a lot on the hood hinge mechanism retrofitting a BMW E30 hood latch mechanism allowing the nose to pop up 3 inches then hinge open hopefully allowing splitter to clear the ground. Some great engineering done by Mark here. Chris Allen, fellow NASA racer and coupe owner, came by to check out the build and try out the seating position! some enduros may be in order with this beast.

Video (hood hinge)

http://youtu.be/tSX3zrnIjNU

johngeorge

02-01-2017, 09:24 PM

Video (1000x speed of weekend)

http://youtu.be/y7k8_jSGoK4

johngeorge

02-01-2017, 09:25 PM

Video (Mark recap)

http://youtu.be/oN3BiNCryMc

Pictures from weekend: http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/index.php?/category/390

Next build weekend Feb 10-13, 2017. Stay tuned for more live streaming. 50 days left till we are on track!!

Gromit

02-01-2017, 11:38 PM

That hood hinge mod is the coolest thing yet. I'd bet it will become one of those "standard" mods especially when that cool splitter is on there

CraigS

02-02-2017, 07:33 AM

The car is looking great. I see you got some spacers for the rear wheels. If nothing else, they sure make it look right. I am curious what springs you are using for the rear. Same as your roadster? I ask as reference for my 2015 IRS upgrade and the 17 autocross season.

johngeorge

02-02-2017, 08:03 AM

Craig,

All my car setups are here including the old roadster stuff..
http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/wordpress/ffr48-car-setup/

Roadster springs
Drivers Passengers
Front Springs 700 LB 700 LB
Rear Springs 550 LB 550 LB

The coupe we will find out what works best at VIR end of March.

jkrueger

02-02-2017, 12:32 PM

Where did you source those hood vents?

JC

Bob-STL

02-02-2017, 12:45 PM

This car is a monster.
Please post video when you get it on the track.
Bob

johngeorge

02-02-2017, 12:51 PM

Where did you source those hood vents?

JC

They are the GTM hood vents.

q4stix

02-02-2017, 04:21 PM

Overall, the car looks great! I'd wondered what a separate spoiler would look like as well.

If you are willing to post the hood lift mod, I'm interested in it too.

Is it just an illusion or just me, but are the front wheel wells larger now than on the Gen 2? It looks a lot larger in the front than in the rear.

johngeorge

02-03-2017, 06:46 AM

I really like the 1000x speed-up video, so made it for the previous weekends, and will continue to make them as we work on the car. Here is Weekend#2 clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1V1RYLqPSk

johngeorge

02-03-2017, 06:47 AM

Weekend#1 1000x speed-up video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3f9hmtiKAYg

erlihemi

02-03-2017, 06:30 PM

Inspiring, thanks for sharing all the info John.

vnmsss

02-04-2017, 01:07 AM

JC......Very cool that you are converting your coupe to a dedicated race car. As an FYI, we made two sets of jigs back in 2011 when we were developing the Competiton Coupes, before FFR was considering the R-chassis. I'm not sure who has them now, but we could put an all call out for them and get them over to you if you like. Good luck with your build!!

Karen

METAL C6R

02-04-2017, 02:03 AM

John,

Great stuff so far. I love the videos you guys have made and I am admiring the work so far!
I am struck with anticipation for the next build weekend! That's about all I can do till I get situated well enough to start a project of my own!

Keep up the great work!

CraigS

02-06-2017, 07:57 AM

Thank you John.

johngeorge

02-09-2017, 10:18 AM

How fun! I left the NorthEast yesterday afternoon headed to Marks house to beat the snowmageddon 2017! The northeast is scheduled to get 18" of snow today, the day I was supposed to head down... So, build weekend#4 starts 1 day earlier

Streaming link: https://www.youtube.com/user/ffr48/live

Weekend 4 goals:
nose finished
doors finished
exhaust done
aluminum installed

erlihemi

02-10-2017, 12:46 PM

"I left the NorthEast yesterday afternoon headed to Marks house to beat the snowmageddon 2017! The northeast is scheduled to get 18" of snow today, the day I was supposed to head down... "

Good Call John. Just looked at live feeds. This is awesome. Can't say enough how valuable that feed is and the pictures above. FFR is really getting some great publicity on this. There were a lot of things that steered me away from the GenII. Now I want to build a GenIIIR for sure. Even if I don't race!!

johngeorge

02-16-2017, 09:14 PM

COUPE BUILD WEEKEND #4 RECAP
http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/02/13/20170213204650-7c88cc50-xl.jpg
Nose, doors, and exhaust are installed!

When there is a pending snowstorm in the NorthEast, head to PA early! That is exactly what I did and gave us 2 extra days to work on the car (return was also delayed!) All goals were accomplished for this weekend: nose, doors, exhaust, some aluminum installed. At the end of weekend#4 we are at 15 1/2 days spent building the car. 2 more build weekends left till we are on track March 24-26 @ VIR!

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/02/13/20170213203416-af1cc0fe-me.jpg
The weekend started off with Mark fitting the nose to the E30 hood hinge by removing material to allow nose to swing up.

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/02/13/20170213203450-15b8b2c7-me.jpg
Brendan holding up the splitter, the same cut was made to the bottom of the splitter. The cut piece will be reused and be fixed to the chassis later, not moving with the nose when it opens.

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/02/13/20170213203532-412ae6c9-me.jpg
and it opens!

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/02/13/20170213204059-e0f1d8c9-me.jpg
Next we focused on welding in the window side nets (required for racing) by having Brendan weld in the necessary brackets.

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/02/13/20170213204127-9ff2a162-me.jpg
Window net installed

johngeorge

02-16-2017, 09:16 PM

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/02/13/20170213204155-0a87f016-me.jpg
We also worked on re-assembling the old #48 FFR Challenge car getting it ready for its new owner Mike Forte. It was apart because we were borrowing some parts that were initially back-ordered on the coupe build.

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/02/13/20170213204520-d0a80de8-me.jpg
All loaded in the trailer waiting to get delivered to Mike Forte, the new owner!

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/02/13/20170213204307-015be0dc-me.jpg
Back to the nose, splitter installed, along with stay rods reinforcing the splitter.

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/02/13/20170213204429-196871b9-me.jpg
We fabricated front and rear tow hooks

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/02/13/20170213204447-307c958b-me.jpg
Mark got creative making a Star Wars like frame mount using gussets for strength

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/02/13/20170213204506-69511d74-me.jpg
Looking from inside the trunk

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/02/13/20170213204457-3862421b-me.jpg
rear tow hook

johngeorge

02-16-2017, 09:18 PM

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/02/13/20170213204533-0a6ec03a-me.jpg
Mark modified my Cobra exhaust to fit on the Coupe! some nice welds and it looks great on the car.

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/02/13/20170213204618-bd83ba19-me.jpg
The car looks super aggressive with most of the aero bits on it.

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/02/13/20170213204705-ee1dc1e5-me.jpg

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/02/13/20170213204650-7c88cc50-me.jpg

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/02/13/20170213204642-31b743b9-me.jpg
The rear trunk area will get some more access panels covering the fuel fill area, the carbon fiber vinyl wrap looks splendid and will reduce reflection in the rear hatch once it gets installed.

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/02/13/20170213204728-335842fb-me.jpg
All put away after the build to make room in the garage for Mark and Brendan’s other customers. The Traveling Builder keeps busy! That green FFR Challenge car is also for sale as a rolling chassis.

johngeorge

02-16-2017, 09:19 PM

Recap video:

http://youtu.be/xTsgyeugt3Y

johngeorge

02-16-2017, 09:20 PM

http://youtu.be/NQNn1hOgfFg

11markgibson

02-16-2017, 11:32 PM

The Gen 3 chassis looks triangular like a real modern day race car chassis.

11markgibson

02-16-2017, 11:33 PM

I believe it will make a great track car in the right hands.

Dave Tabor

02-17-2017, 12:04 AM

Thank you for posting this, the videos and the pics on johngeorgeracing.com.

My Gen 3 kit arrive in April and I'm sure all of this will helpful in my build (I hope there is a manual by then).

Dave

WIS89

02-17-2017, 10:36 AM

John-

The car looks amazing! You must be really excited to get her out on the track.

You, Mark, and Brendan have done some terrific work in a really short time frame. I love the aero bits, and hope they exceed your expectations on the track.

Thanks for the info here, your website, and the video summaries; it has been great following along!

Regards,

Steve

Vette1972

02-17-2017, 03:57 PM

John, Mark & Gang,

Great work! The car looks fast sitting still. You all have done a ton of work in a short period of time.

Is that a '69 Ford Fairlane in the background?

Look forward to the next build weekend.

Thanks,
Len

smithtlw

02-17-2017, 05:36 PM

Car looks awesome! I really like the hood latch solution. I am a little surprised at the lack of DOM tubing in front of the firewall for the R version. I thought the rules required it from the main down tubes going forward?

Mark Dougherty

02-17-2017, 06:45 PM

its a 66
thanks
thanks for asking

johngeorge

02-22-2017, 06:18 AM

It is going to paint before build weekend #5!!!! Mark and Brendan doing the body work, then Maaco is spraying it.

sanding down the seams
http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/upload/2017/02/22/20170222061355-84d6a4ed.jpg

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/upload/2017/02/22/20170222061353-9e08a41b.jpg

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/02/22/20170222061351-06a23ec4-la.jpg

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/02/22/20170222061350-1e236122-la.jpg

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/02/22/20170222061347-ff9862c3-la.jpg

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/02/22/20170222061345-bd399acf-la.jpg

R Thomas

02-22-2017, 10:33 AM

Looks like John is going for Concourse points with this one should be a step up the blue dip. Just kidding imagine the all white will turn into white stripes before things are finished. Of course John, Mark, and Brendan know for sure.

HCP 65 COUPE

02-22-2017, 05:32 PM

Man the side vent art work looks awesome. :D JK

Mark the work you guys are doing here is amazing and fast. I cant wait to see video of this thing ripping around VIR.

Martin

02-22-2017, 08:09 PM

Are you guys doing the bodywork as well?

I thought the plan was to give it a quick white wash and be done with it "because race car".

Martin

Mark Dougherty

02-24-2017, 05:25 PM

plans changed
yes we are painting it.
well let me say we are doing the rough body work key word rough.
we spent a total of 16 hours fitting the panels nose and filling all the seams.
Car was supposed to go to MAACO today but they called, and put us back a week.
so next trip will be all interior work and suspension setup.

Lostinthewoods

02-25-2017, 06:51 AM

This has been an awesome thread to watch. I am just curious what your opinion is on this kit compared to previous builds. Have there been fewer or more trouble spots compared to the other FFR cars you have built? I know you are building a race car and aesthetic details are not the priority but I would like to know how this went together compared to the others. I also hope you took lots of pictures of the BMW hood release mod. I think that is going to be very popular.

Edit to add: Are there any rear bulkhead requirements you have to deal with to separate the fuel cell from the passenger compartment?

Mark Dougherty

02-25-2017, 08:36 AM

here are the rules for the fuel cell as per NASA 2017
WE will be installing an aluminum cover over the filler neck thus
making the cell outside of the compartment.
AS far as body fit
Doors work the same as before although they were trimmed closer requiring less time to fit.
door strikers are now adjustable awesome
nose works the same although the hinge brackets have been reworked and fit in the middle of the adjustment now
new liner inside the nose is awesome
the rear of the body now sits on adjustable mounts letting you level the body awesome
more trunk room Awesome
more trunk room also means you see some of the raw fiberglass. I dont care for this and will make alum cover plates.
more interior room around the seat awesome
ETC.
hope this helps

15.4 Fuel Cell / Tank
All fuel cells must be FIA FT3 (or higher) certified.
A fuel cell is not required, except as specified by class rules.. All vehicles having a fuel cell must comply with
the rules in this section, even if a fuel cell is not required by the class rules.
1. There should be a solid bulkhead completely separating the fuel tank, fuel pump, fuel cell, filler neck
hoses, and/or vent lines, from the driver compartment.
2. The cell must contain a bladder that is FIA FT-3 (or higher) rated.
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3. The cell should be in a container made of at least 0.036-inch steel, 0.059-inch aluminum, or 0.125-
inch Marlex, fully surrounding the bladder.
4. Internal foam baffling should be installed, as per FIA FT3-1999 (or higher).
5. The filler cap, line, vents hoses, etc. should be designed so that no fuel will escape if the car is
partially or totally inverted.
6. There should be a small drain hole in the outside box to purge fuel trapped between the bladder and
the box.
7. The competitor is responsible for ensuring that the cell, bladder, and components are installed,
maintained, and replaced per the manufacturer’s instructions and in accordance with applicable
sections of the CCR.
8. The bladder has a date of manufacture and serial number. The competitor is responsible to note this
in the front of the vehicle logbook.
9. Bladders older than 5 years should not be used.
10. The competitor is responsible for showing proof of the age of the bladder. It is highly recommended
that the receipt for the purchase of the bladder (or entire cell) be stored with the Vehicle Logbook.
15.4.1 Installation
Reinforcements may be added to aid in the installation of the cell, but they shall not attach to the roll cage.
Floor structure may be modified to aid in the installation of the cell. Steel location strapping is strongly
recommended to keep the fuel cell from dislocating in a crash. Installing a fuel cell that hangs significantly close
to the ground or one that is mounted closest to the rear of the vehicle, even if the installation meets with these
rules, may be deemed unsafe and therefore excluded from competition.
15.4.2 Rotary-molded cells
Rotary-molded cells are not allowed unless the bladder meets the current FIA FT3 specifications and carries the
current FIA FT3 standard certification mark, label, or stamp. Most or all JAZ and RCI brand cells are examples
of rotary-molded cells that do not carry such ratings. [Notes: A good fuel cell is made by companies such as
ATL or Fuel Safe (other than their entry level models), and should cost $600 or more. Beware of inexpensive
“SCCA APPROVED” cells. While SCCA is a fine organization, the stamp of approval found on some safety
items may pertain to other forms of racing, and may not be consistent with these rules. Consult an expert
before purchase.]
15.4.3 Fuel Cell for Alternative Liquid Fuels
According to leading manufacturers of fuel cells, there is no problem putting alternative fuels into a fuel cell
made for gasoline. However, if the cell was previously used for a different fuel, such as gasoline, the bladder
should be rinsed, and the foam should be changed. The same is true when switching from an alternative fuel
back to gasoline

johngeorge

02-26-2017, 02:06 PM

Mark and I decided to have the next build weekend start March 18, and go on till Thursday March 23 when we have to leave for VIR! The body shop delayed is a little but not a big deal. This updated schedule also reduces my travel back and forth from NH to PA :)

Cannot wait to see the body painted!!

Lostinthewoods

02-28-2017, 06:18 PM

Mark Dougherty

03-07-2017, 01:43 PM

STAY TUNED
Things are about to get Real again :0 :0
March 24th is coming fast.
as many know we just shipped the body off to paint. Middletown PA. MAACO
I spent 2 days prepping the body for paint, sanding the seams, a little filler, fitting the rear spoiler. etc.
then we fitted 2 rolling carts to move the body, and nose on , MAACO will hang the rest.
They are going to paint the body GM arctic white.
we will receive the body back on the 16th of this month.
THEN WE FINISH
John is due to arrive the night of the 17th and we will begin working on the coupe the morning of the 18th.
John again will be doing the live feed on youtube.
I will be doing a 1hr. live feed each day on my facebook until the coupe is finished.
we plan on finishing her by the evening of the 22nd.
thursday 23rd we load her up and trailer her down to VIR. we will be testing for 3 days march 24,25,26 if everything goes well
we will be there for all three days. if not so well LESS days.
IF it is expected to rain we will not be going to VIR. we will instead be doing a local auto x at HERSHEY.
Wish us luck and stay tuned its about to get busy.

johngeorge

03-09-2017, 09:38 PM

Pics from Middletown Maaco

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/03/09/20170309213315-26e766ff-me.jpg

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http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/03/09/20170309213329-b3d695a3-me.jpg

johngeorge

03-09-2017, 09:39 PM

in primer:

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/03/09/20170309213318-4ad23491-me.jpg

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/03/09/20170309213320-39bc02e1-me.jpg

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http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/03/09/20170309213323-4c1b8a4d-me.jpg

johngeorge

03-19-2017, 01:17 PM

Build weekend #5 started yesterday and is going till Wednesday night! We are leaving for VIR Thursday morning, so car has to be done!

As usually live streaming build here (no sound, we like music, which YouTube says it's copyright material!) https://www.youtube.com/user/ffr48/live

johngeorge

03-21-2017, 07:20 AM

Last night we set the back of the body on the frame! then went to dinner, and Mark couldnt control himself, we came back out after dinner and had to put the nose on :)

boy does it look great!

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/03/20/20170320204106-832afa3a-me.jpg

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/03/20/20170320204112-f3a3cf7d-me.jpg

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Martin

03-21-2017, 07:25 AM

"Find a job you love and you'll never work a day in your life."

I think the hardest part for the Dougherty's is working with village idiots like myself. Car stuff is fun... "because race car".

Martin

johngeorge

03-21-2017, 07:41 AM

more pics here http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/index.php?/category/394

Vette1972

03-21-2017, 09:22 AM

Hey Guys,

Car looks great! Enjoyed watching the build so Thanks!!

Len

jkrueger

03-21-2017, 08:32 PM

Looks awesome! Can't wait to see it on the track.

JC

WIS89

03-22-2017, 07:24 AM

John-

Car looks fast!! That's good, right?

I have enjoyed watching your progress. Love the aero bits and the beautiful rear wing!

Mark, Brendan, and you have done a super job, and I can't wait to see how she does on the track! Thanks for letting us follow along!

Regards,

Steve

ricobrafan

03-22-2017, 10:16 AM

Great build..good luck.at the track and which vents did you use on the nose? Thanks

John Dol

03-22-2017, 11:49 AM

Is that one of those Mtona's?

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/03/20/20170320204030-8fdd217f-th.jpg

:cool:

John

erlihemi

03-22-2017, 11:54 AM

John n Mark,

I noticed in the videos that you have to "spread " the body a little to get down over the door tubes. Do you think that will be ok once the front and rear glass is in?
Is it only flexing at the sill plate?

Thanks,

B

johngeorge

03-23-2017, 09:59 PM

Pics from build weekend #5!! Car is done and we are now at VIR for testing fri-sun
http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/index.php?/category/394

CraigS

03-24-2017, 06:59 AM

Hey, you kind of snuck those behind the wheel vents in on us didn't you? I like them.

Vette1972

03-24-2017, 08:37 AM

Guys, The car looks fabulous! Have a great time on VIR this weekend. Thanks for taking us along on the build, it has been fun to watch. Len

jkrueger

03-24-2017, 08:54 AM

Car looks great. Have fun with it on the track.

JC

Bob-STL

03-24-2017, 09:20 AM

Pics from build weekend #5!! Car is done and we are now at VIR for testing fri-sun
http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/index.php?/category/394

I love that "I SEE WEAKNESS" on the front ! :D

Bob

John Dol

03-24-2017, 12:19 PM

Awesome guys, have fun at the track!

John

Martin

03-24-2017, 02:15 PM

I love that "I SEE WEAKNESS" on the front ! :D

Bob

I hadn't noticed that.

It needs to be a mirror image view so it helps put pressure on anyone in front of you. Anything to win right?

Martin

Vman7

03-25-2017, 06:02 PM

John, thanks for the well documented build :) Mark D. sure is a great help! I love the modified E30 hinge, sure that would be a great idea for others who go with the new front airdam.

I can't stop reading this thread over and over, I keep learning something new each time. :)

Between you and Karen, have to be the coolest race coupes around!

David

Mark Dougherty

03-25-2017, 09:28 PM

Thanks guys it has been fun to work on this coupe with John.
Sub 2 minutes here we come

johngeorge

03-28-2017, 05:45 AM

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/03/26/20170326222254-e26b98d4-me.jpg

6 days to finish building the racecar, load it into the trailer, tow to VIR, and run a 2:00.414 @ VIR on the 2nd session out! WAHOO

It is all a blur now, days mixing into each other. I towed down to Marks Friday night 3/17/17, work on car for 5 1/2 days, load it on the trailer tow it to VIR Thursday 3/23/17, test Fri-Sunday 3/24-26/17.

Middletown Maaco finished painting the body, and it looks amazing. It was all ready for us to install on the frame but we still had a long list of things to do before body got installed. First things were to do alignment setting camber/caster/tow/ride height/test bumpsteer/scale/etc.. On top of that we did a full nut/bolt check as usual for race prep.

Then it was time to put the freshly painted body on the frame!

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/03/20/20170320204043-082acd8f-me.jpg

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/03/20/20170320204106-832afa3a-me.jpg

Wow! it looks GREAT!!! A LONG list of things to finish on the car before departure for VIR we methodically checked things off the list. Mark, Brendan and I worked tirelessly to get all critical things required for the test completed.

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/03/23/20170323131046-ac36881c-me.jpg

You can see the monumental list of what needed to be completed with numbers which day had to get done.

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/03/23/20170323131232-df635f23-xl.jpg

Finally done Thursday at 2pm, drove it out of the garage to take some pictures! looks fantastic with all the stickers. Harassed some of the neighbors by driving it up and down the street, it felt real good!

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/03/23/20170323131223-1720598b-xl.jpg

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/03/23/20170323131312-ee8ec2b7-xl.jpg

johngeorge

03-28-2017, 05:50 AM

We then had to figure out how to get this very low car loaded into the RV, queue ramps on ramps.

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/03/23/20170323131356-88f87430-xl.jpg

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And it fit inside the toy hauler with inches to spare and without having to cut any cabinets! Yay! I was worried some cutting was required. We did however have to remove the front splitter and rear wing which is easy enough to do.

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/03/23/20170323131456-daf5696f-xl.jpg

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/03/23/20170323131504-c6af84c0-xl.jpg

Build Weekend #5 pictures: http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/index.php?/category/394

johngeorge

03-28-2017, 05:52 AM

Off to VIR now, a 6 1/2 hr tow from Hershey PA. Mark and I drove down in my rig, while Brendan, Sean Lingle and Chris Allen (SpecE30 racer) towed Chris’s trailer down. Brendan defected and will crew on Chris’s E30 for the weekend, while Sean and Mark are with me on the Daytona Coupe.

Wayne Patterson, a fellow FFR Challenge car racer, will arrive Friday morning at the track to also help crew on the car. With Dad not attending Wayne offered to cook for us! Thanks Wayne.

I had rented a garage anticipating lots of setup changes, Garage 9 was to be our home for the next 3 testing days.

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/03/25/20170325060823-6b6272fa-xl.jpg

NASA events are as such, Friday test day with 4 x 40min sessions, Saturday practice in the morning, qualifying around lunchtime, 25min race afternoon, Sunday qualifying early and a 40min race in the afternoon. We had our work cut out planned making changes every session.

First things first, we had to get the car through tech. Being a new car, it needs a new NASA logbook. Waiting in line we took some nice pictures with the crew (from left to right – Brendan Dougherty, Mark Dougherty, Sean Lingle)

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/03/25/20170325060956-362ef5ca-xl.jpg

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and it passed NASA tech!

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/03/25/20170325061001-6619e7ce-xl.jpg

johngeorge

03-28-2017, 05:53 AM

The first session of Friday was to be an installation lap, check to make sure all is well, no aero installed. We identified couple of issues and fixed them without problem. The car felt great right out of the box! time for some aero for the next session.

I start out session2 easy, slowly build speed. The car feels solid, no flex whatsoever, and is neutral balanced, no real oversteer or understeer. Our setup from the old Cobra #48 is very applicable to this chassis!

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/upload/2017/03/25/20170325061649-b822f1fe.jpg

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/upload/2017/03/25/20170325061645-5895a117.jpg

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http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/upload/2017/03/25/20170325061647-217a11c7.jpg

Some great pictures taken by a fellow FFR forum enthusiast boBQuincy. (http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showthread.php?23891-Gen-3-Coupe-at-VIR&p=273003&viewfull=1#post273003)

Mark took a quick video of my driving by at speed. The sound of the car is awesome! White really stands out, Mark said he easily identified me coming down the hill onto the front straight both by sight and sound.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qH5nWFEwT6w&feature=youtu.be

johngeorge

03-28-2017, 05:59 AM

Lap times kept dropping as the session progressed, with me still feeling out the car I set a flyer, 2:00.414! on the second session of the day! Here is the fast lap incar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhvB6iAorQk&feature=youtu.be

Full session video here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLYizBd49D8&feature=youtu.be

What is impressive is the entry of the high speed esses in 5th! at 135mph, and exiting at 141mph! felt super planted no drama.

I am also not maximizing the braking yet as we are dealing with some pad knock-back issues. Top mph was 149mph. The car just works and is super stable, a pleasure to drive.

My complaints after the session were: steering was too hard, squirmy under acceleration and slightly twitchy at high speed. We remedied this by changing the power steering to be more power assist (KRC pump has multiple pressure fittings and you can easily change the feel, I went to stock to what the original pump came with), and adding more rear tow-in to add stability. After the session the crew checked over the car as usual and found both outer CV boots had been cut and spewed CV grease all over the new frame!

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/03/25/20170325061026-c837ad83-xl.jpg

Mark and Sean cleaned up the nasty CV grease and not having new boots made our own out of a plastic bag and zipties!

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/03/25/20170325061538-f838f7cc-xl.jpg

We also added zipties to all the grooves of the inner and outer CV boots to stop them from expanding under speed. We should have done this before the event but it slipped under the radar.

I highly suggest adding zipties as shown below in both inner and outer CV boots before you go drive it!

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/03/25/20170325061543-3ffd480f-xl.jpg

Session 3 we tried less rear wing, and the car oversteered too much. Good! we found the limit! so we set it back to where it was at 8deg instead of 3deg. The racepak dash warning light came on for low fuel pressure in left handers. So the crew fuel cell dived finding the problem and fixing it – I run 2 fuel pumps one of the fuel pumps on the right of the cell had its power wire come loose.

The last session of the day was a fun race. I started mid pac and made my way to the front chasing a fast Porsche 911 in the GTS4 class. I was gaining on him until the hood started lifting about 2″ in the back on the straight-a-way.

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/03/25/20170325061621-a7de67d2-xl.jpg

I decided to come into the pits, except Mark/Brendan/Sean/Wayne were watching the race and not in the garage. I convinced a fellow racer to tape the hood down and went back out.

Rejoining the race, it got a little exciting as I had to go off-track to avoid a fellow racer from making contact, it seems I came up on him so fast he didnt have time to see me. After the race came and found me, apologized for the incident and was glad nothing was damaged.

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/03/26/20170326221437-88c564dd-xl.jpg

After a successful day we had dinner and toasted to a great first outing with some champagne.

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/03/25/20170325061626-4f4185da-xl.jpg

What a team! I am so grateful to Mark, Brendan, Sean, Wayne, Jim Schenck, Dave Smith and all the FFR guys and gals for making all of this possible. It took us around 29 days to build from the ground up a racecar capable of 2:00 at VIR! that is no small feat.

johngeorge

03-28-2017, 06:02 AM

Saturday practice we raised the ride height by one turn as we were bottoming out on the frame. We decided to run as low as possible and found the limit! Next session, qualifying, we changed rear camber/tow again based on tire temps. I qualified 3rd overall with a 2:00.591 and was ready to have a great race. The start was fast and fierce with me in the top 4 racing hard, getting into 3rd on the back straight passing DJ’s BMW I downshifted into 4th at the top of the hill and there was a big vibration. I had the clutch disc go bad before and this felt early similar. I decided to come right in to save the car, a good thing as I could not get it back into gear. I coasted off into the paddoc and used the starter to ‘get me going’ enough for the engine to turn over and start allowing me to drive back to garage#9.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3tXBT4lRN0&feature=youtu.be

Brendan/Sean/Mark jumped on the car removing the trans/bellhouse/clutch diagnosing a bad pressure plate! Wayne and I ran for parts finding a stock 1992 Mustang GT pressure plate in stock at Autozone! we hurried back the guys did a great job installing it.

The bad pressure plate:

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http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/03/26/20170326221839-b4235b12-xl.jpg

Brendan installing the trans again.

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/03/26/20170326221849-dbb4cc98-xl.jpg

New pressure plate installed

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/03/26/20170326221843-c3fbd387-xl.jpg

This job was made much easier by thinking ahead early in the build making panels removable (Brendan gets credit for this!) Glad we thought ahead!

We had difficulty with the transmission getting it back in place, so we took it back out and cut unneeded stubs off the transmission to make it easier to install.

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/03/26/20170326221921-07ba8a3d-xl.jpg

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johngeorge

03-28-2017, 06:03 AM

Sunday had 2 sessions scheduled, qualifying early and race in the afternoon. Before qualifying we made yet another spring change stiffening the car further as Im still bottoming out. We didnt listen to Jim’s logic and put in 750lb springs instead of 700 in the rear. The car had oversteer. I set a 2:01 time putting me 2nd overall for the race.

After qualifying we wend to take some pictures of the car.

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/03/26/20170326222125-605ad17a-xl.jpg

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/03/26/20170326222131-1f4ee928-xl.jpg

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/03/27/20170327173138-9f9d5453-xl.jpg

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johngeorge

03-28-2017, 06:04 AM

I had talked to NASA officials on Saturday to see if I could jump in a HPDE4 session to give Sean a ride in the daytona coupe at speed, my way of saying thanks for helping in the build, and was able to get that done. Withe 700lb rear springs we went out for his ride. Respectfully working through traffic we finally got clear track, Sean in the passenger seat bobble head moving forward under braking everytime, we set a flyer 2:00.8, then came in for tire temps/pressures.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5pr_dm60_Q&feature=youtu.be

During that run the fuel starvation in the left-handers reared its ugly head once again, so after the session we all decided time to pack up and head back home. No sense in running a 40min race with fuel starvation! that would hurt the engine which is the last thing I want to do.

We packed up and left for Mark’s house. Wayne flew out earlier Sunday.

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/03/27/20170327173643-81e6e960-xl.jpg

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/03/27/20170327173640-061c7066-xl.jpg

Brendan and Chris stayed for Chris’s race later in the day where Chris finished 3rd out of 27 SpecE30’s, way to go Chris!

All pics taken from VIR: http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/index.php?/category/395

A great first weekend out with the new car! Mark, Brendan, Sean, Wanda, Matty, Shannon, Jim, Dave, Tony, all at FFR, Mom, Dad, Marina, THANK YOU!! Without you none of this would be possible. Thanks again!

Next race will be at NJMP Lightning May 5-7, 2017. I have a long list of ToDo before the event including going through NH registration/inspection so it can be road legal!

Vette1972

03-28-2017, 08:53 AM

John & Crew,

Excellent video and the car is really fast! Everything looks great and the technical info is exciting to understand how the car performs in race conditions. Thanks for taking us along for the ride. Good luck with the racing season.

Len

R Thomas

03-28-2017, 09:39 AM

Thanks again John & Mark for allowing us to follow along on your adventure. Looking forward to what's to come in the future. Enjoyed all the video at the track good things coming for you with this car.

John Dol

03-28-2017, 12:17 PM

Great stuff, and with a second hand pick up truck engine.
Hats off gentleman, that looked like an incredibly fun, although challenging weekend!!

John

jmccabe

03-28-2017, 01:32 PM

John,
Whenever I was bored ,I sat down and watched you guys all weekend !

Jeff

jkrueger

03-28-2017, 09:46 PM

Great job. The car looks super fun to drive.

JC

HCP 65 COUPE

03-30-2017, 03:29 PM

Man the car looks like it runs awesome, love the Ferrari pass in the last video must feel good to pass a 200k car like that.

Looking at the car and driver lightning laps at VIR your about 44 seconds a lap faster than a viper ACR. Man that's impressive not sure if its the same track layout tho, all that time for around the same money as a loaded Mustang GT thats super cool. Wish the OEM's would stop adding power and start taking weight reduction to the next level.

R Thomas

03-30-2017, 08:54 PM

Has been fun watching you guys build this car up and get it on the track, performance looks amazing. A couple of quick questions if you had a street version would you feel Air Conditioning required? And are you looking at adding the stock hood locks to the sides or did hood pop open for some other reason?

Doug @ Forma

03-31-2017, 07:47 AM

... Looking at the car and driver lightning laps at VIR your about 44 seconds a lap faster than a viper ACR. Man that's impressive not sure if its the same track layout tho, all that time for around the same money as a loaded Mustang GT thats super cool. Wish the OEM's would stop adding power and start taking weight reduction to the next level.

C&D runs the 4.1 mile Grand West Course:

http://snaplap.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/19183351/Virginia-International-Raceway-Grand-West-Course.jpg

From the map shown in his lap video he wasn't running the infield section, which would explain the difference. His lap is super impressive (and looks like a riot), but not comparable to C&Ds lightning lap, unfortunately.

METAL C6R

03-31-2017, 01:53 PM

Doug, I noticed that, as soon as I saw what time John posted I started doing research, car and driver indeed does the long course. Corvette times I have seen are similarly "slower" due to the track difference

I did find a lap time for the imsa by corvettes running the same track at 1:46, but that's not a fair comparison. 2 entirely different racing classes.

I wanted to do a fair comparison on forza but that's dlc I don't have yet lol

Sgt.Gator

03-31-2017, 04:23 PM

On the CV boots swelling problem: The Driveshaft Shop sells their CV axles in a Road Race setup....the only difference from the regular drag race setup is they slip WD40 style plastic straws under the boot next to the axle then install the clamp to let the pressures equalize.

Mitch Wright

04-01-2017, 07:48 AM

John and crew, impressive first outing, the car looks great and really quick. Well done.

HCP 65 COUPE

04-01-2017, 05:45 PM

Oh wish it was a true comparison but that time difference makes alot more sense now.

METAL C6R

04-01-2017, 07:10 PM

http://fastestlaps.com/models/dodge-viper-acr-mk-v

Looks like the viper acr set a 1:57.03

johngeorge

04-02-2017, 06:07 PM

Made a speed-up of the whole build and testing at VIR from footage of the livestream! check it out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VthEEUj6eZk&feature=youtu.be

johngeorge

04-02-2017, 06:08 PM

http://fastestlaps.com/models/dodge-viper-acr-mk-v

Looks like the viper acr set a 1:57.03

Yup, I should be around there in NASA ST2 trim! will work on that next time we get to VIR I'm hoping for that time.

Not bad for a kitcar :)

GoDadGo

04-02-2017, 07:08 PM

John,

I just wanted to thank you for letting us watch this build and for the amazing ride alongs in your old open top and your new Type-65 Daytona.
It is unbelievable how much better your lap times are a V.I.R. in a brand new platform.
You really seem to be a lot more comfortable in the seat of your new ride.

Steve

jimgood

04-03-2017, 02:31 PM

Nice work John and Mark!

Just out of curiosity, did you build two front air damns? I would be inclined to do that just to have a spare for the occasional off. But then I guess that's kind of like getting a prenuptial agreement. Kayn aynhorehs and all that.

Russ Thompson

04-03-2017, 02:48 PM

WOW! great job to everyone, man you guys are animals! :-)

Thanks for the great track stuff, the coupe looks fantastic out on the track, oh, and even when it's parked! :-)

myjones

04-03-2017, 04:59 PM

Not bad for a kitcar :)

UGH John; :rolleyes:

Repeat after me, "I bought a race chassis and a body from Factory Five"
Kit cars are what the posers sell :p
Dale Berry
7L Hemi 33

Garry Bopp

04-03-2017, 09:11 PM

Cool "speed up" video!

Garry

GoDadGo

04-03-2017, 10:01 PM

UGH John; :rolleyes:

Repeat after me, "I bought a race chassis and a body from Factory Five"
Kit cars are what the posers sell :p
Dale Berry
7L Hemi 33

Amen Sir Dale Berry, Mr. 7L Hemi 33, Amen!

johngeorge

04-28-2017, 05:49 AM

Huge day yesterday, the car has passed NH State Inspection!!!!! :) I am thrilled I can drive this beast on the street now.

The whole process wasn't as painful as I remembered, first I had to go get a NH VIN from state police. Trailer the car to certain locations specified, I went to Machester NH DMV as that was the closest one they had, 8am-10am, bring all pertinent paperwork (FFR certificate of origin, FFR bill of sale, engine receipt, transmission receipt, rear end receipt, brakes receipt) wait in line till its your turn, and nicely talk to the DMV personal. They wanted to see block #s, which on the coyote I did not know right away, after googling I found #s passenger side of engine right above oil pan in front of the engine mount. This number sufficed his block # needs. Once that was done, take the paperwork he gives you into DMV, get new VIN entered into the system after a small fee.

Next step was to register the car. Take paperwork obtained from VIN assignment, along with certificate of origin, and go to your NH town's clerks office, for me was downtown city hall Nashua, NH. I re-used my Cobra plates so have that old registration in hand too. They then registered the car, gave me the correct paperwork to take to any State Inspection shop in NH.

The Dyno shop I use (Granite State Dyno, Hudson, NH) also does state inspections!! yay for me. Car getting a thorough check up, passing without issue.
http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/04/27/20170427221731-ccf2992f-me.jpg

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/04/27/20170427221734-6332f3a0-me.jpg

Next its dyno time!! I need 4 tunes. Unlimited, 359RWHP tune, 341RWHP tune, and 329RWHP tune, for my racing class depending how wide tires I run.

The car was a huge hit everywhere it goes! people just love the looks of it.

Car strapped down on the dyno.
http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/04/27/20170427221742-a1299015-me.jpg

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/04/27/20170427221745-23236412-me.jpg

and unlimited numbers are 365RWHP/376RWTQ! Not bad for a stock 2013 F150 Coyote takeout.
http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/04/27/20170427221739-ebd8ed8d-me.jpg

I was able to tune for 359HP and 341HP, but ran out of time as the shop closes at 5pm to detune it even further to 329HP. That will happen at a later date. The de-tuning is super simple to do with the drive by wire system, I can command the throttle to close partially at certain RPM, think of it as a variable restriction plate.

erlihemi

04-28-2017, 07:49 AM

That is awesome John, you're off to a great summer!!

WIS89

04-29-2017, 09:40 AM

John-

Awesome! The car is insane, and I enjoyed the summary videos as well as the on track video. You handle that things pretty darned well Sir!

Street legal, it's kind of a funny thing for a straight up race car. The roads in the Northeast won't know what hit them.

Congratulations again on a great build, and a terrific racing machine. Thanks to you, Mark, and Brendan for having us along during the build! I wish you nothing but success with it.

Regards,

Steve

johngeorge

05-02-2017, 05:20 AM

Getting ready for the first NASA NorthEast race this weekend (May 5-7, 2017) at NJMP Lightning track!

Things on the to-do list include:
change bad axle boots by replacing axles, put zip-ties between each groove to stop cv boot from expanding at speed
pad knockback - install pad knockback springs behind the caliper pistons
pad knockback - Modify rear brake brackets to 'clock' the caliper at the 3 o'clock or 9 o'clock position
change master cylinder to be bigger in the rear to help with pad knockback by increasing volume and reduce pressure (have too much rear brake anyway)
Mess with rear upper control arm to move it as far back as possible to help with tow change in suspension travel.

So, this past weekend I got all of this accomplished

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/04/28/20170428063303-e9ddbd95-me.jpg
caliper piston holder contraption to remove one piston out of 6 and put spring behind piston

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/04/28/20170428063355-1fdcd704-me.jpg
caliper spring I purchased from McMaster Carr
Line Product Ordered Shipped Balance Price Total
1 1692K55 (http://www.mcmaster.com/nav/enter.asp?partnum=1692K55)Confined-Space Conical Compression Spring 1" Overall Length, 0.72" x 0.281" OD, Quantity= 8
2 1692K64 (http://www.mcmaster.com/nav/enter.asp?partnum=1692K64)Confined-Space Conical Compression Spring 1" Overall Length, 0.975" x 0.5" OD, Quantity= 4

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/04/28/20170428063340-1fb5aa4f-me.jpg
inner end of the piston what it looks like.

Moving on to axle changes
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add zip-ties in cv boot grooves

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/05/01/20170501063712-cdc7dfd0-me.jpg
replace the Mark Dougherty band-aid at the track cv boot 'solo cup bag' fix axles

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/05/01/20170501063650-442b2b8c-me.jpg
paint new rear caliper to spindle brackets

johngeorge

05-02-2017, 05:28 AM

I had sent Jim @ FFR one of my rotors so he can design the part to fit.

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/05/01/20170501063851-5d594dc3-me.jpg
re-designed bracket gets sandwiched between spindle and hub

Unfortunately I sent him the wrong rotor, a 14" rotos, when I run 13.2" rotors.. lets just say it was off by 3/8 of an inch, my bad! So, I had to chop up and re-drill his fancy laser cut bracket, then weld it up as the material I cut off made bracket too weak.

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/05/01/20170501063842-611dd152-me.jpg
the cut bracket bolts to the other hub bracket.

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/05/01/20170501063905-92ebf183-me.jpg
ready for welding

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/05/01/20170501063916-748653ee-me.jpg
Ohh yes FFR welder Jon Dean cringes when I tell him I welded something with my flux core welder!

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/05/01/20170501063920-e0982aec-me.jpg
painted, and even left the grade 8 bolts in there for added safety

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/05/01/20170501063934-4d0c24c9-me.jpg
and its installed!

johngeorge

05-02-2017, 05:36 AM

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/05/01/20170501063952-21ca360b-me.jpg
back of caliper.

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/05/01/20170501063938-fe6bfaa4-me.jpg
top of caliper bracket mounts

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/05/01/20170501063730-22c2ed36-me.jpg
moving upper control arm back

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/05/01/20170501063956-31126559-me.jpg
moving caliper to the front of the rotor meant moving the brake line too.. Yes that is CV boot grease, that stuff gets EVERYWHERE. I will clean that dont worry.

http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/_data/i/upload/2017/05/01/20170501064012-2e91bb62-me.jpg
Street wheels on and everything fits!

Now to figure out the master cylinder issue.. When we initially built the car I thought the front master was 3/4" and the rear master 13/16". At the track I noticed I had way too much rear brake, and cranked the balance bar adjuster all the way forward and was still locking up the rear brakes. Something was amiss! Well, I found out why.. the master cylinders were backwards of what I had thought, the bigger master in the front, and the smaller master in the rear. With master cylinders, the smaller it is, the more line pressure it generates, but moves less volume. The bigger master is opposite, less pressure but more volume, which is what I want in the rears as it also helps with pad knockback by having more fluid volume it will 'set' the pads faster.

To fix I just swapped them around putting the 3/4" master front and 13/16" master rear. Easy fix! and on a quick street drive test slamming on the brakes now locks up the fronts first. Cranked little more rear and now brakes feel like they works as intended. Mission accomplished, I will set the brake balance at the track at speed, having cable adjuster in reach of driver is very handy.

more pics here: http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/index.php?/category/397