Instructions needed to install the Forte hydraulic clutch kit

[Jazzman]

I have misplaced my copy of the instructions that came with my Forte hydraulic clutch kit. Could someone please PM me a copy of them? Thank you.

[edwardb]

I guess I misplaced my instructions too on the two Forte hydraulic setups I've purchased. :p

OK, I've never seen any... It's pretty straightforward how they go together. This is the picture I also posted in my build thread. Shows where everything goes. I did add a second bolt on the clutch arm pivot. Only one is provided and that's probably OK. Just my personal choice. The most difficult part is the pushrod needs to be cut to the proper length. You want a slight amount of play in the pushrod when it's all the way out.

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[Jazzman]

Any memory as to how much you cut off? When you say "all the way out", do you mean the push rod from the MC is fully extended, or when the clutch fork is fully disengaged, i.e. It is furthest rearward and the shaft of the MC is as short as it can get? Thanks.

[edwardb]

Any memory as to how much you cut off? When you say "all the way out", do you mean the push rod from the MC is fully extended, or when the clutch fork is fully disengaged, i.e. It is furthest rearward and the shaft of the MC is as short as it can get? Thanks.

Sorry. What I wrote was confusing. By "all the way out" I was referring to the clutch and clutch pedal. Meaning the slave cylinder is completely retracted, the pedal is out against the stop, and the clutch is fully engaged. To find the right pushrod length for this condition is kind of trial by error. I thread the rod end nearly all the way on, put the fitting on the end of the pushrod that fits down into the cup in the slave cylinder, and place the pushrod in position. It will be immediately obvious it needs to be much shorter. Trim a large amount first, then smaller increments trying it each time until it fits properly.

[lahrs37]

This will sound stupid, but it is the slave cylinder pushrod that gets trimmed - right? The only reason I am asking is because I was just trimming the master cylinder pushrods for my brakes because of a fitment issue. (Thanks for the advice edwardb on that!)

[phileas_fogg]

Correct; you have to trim the slave cylinder pushrod.

Cheers,


John

[lahrs37]

Correct; you have to trim the slave cylinder pushrod.

Cheers,


John


Thanks!

[lahrs37]

I just installed it tonight. It would have been WAY easier to do it before the engine/transmission were in!

[lahrs37]

Sorry. What I wrote was confusing. By "all the way out" I was referring to the clutch and clutch pedal. Meaning the slave cylinder is completely retracted, the pedal is out against the stop, and the clutch is fully engaged. To find the right pushrod length for this condition is kind of trial by error. I thread the rod end nearly all the way on, put the fitting on the end of the pushrod that fits down into the cup in the slave cylinder, and place the pushrod in position. It will be immediately obvious it needs to be much shorter. Trim a large amount first, then smaller increments trying it each time until it fits properly.

I just added fluid tonight and I am shocked at how heavy the pedal feels. Since everyone says the clutch is suppose to feel light, I think something is wrong. Any ideas on how to troubleshoot this?

[edwardb]

I just added fluid tonight and I am shocked at how heavy the pedal feels. Since everyone says the clutch is suppose to feel light, I think something is wrong. Any ideas on how to troubleshoot this?

Heavy and light are subjective terms. I would describe the effort for the hydraulic clutch as smooth and perhaps somewhat lighter than a comparable cable system. It depends on what clutch you're using, but the clutch pedal in these setups is not likely to be considered "light." What clutch are you using and what are you comparing it to? Something might be wrong. But it also might be pretty typical.

[lahrs37]

Heavy and light a subjective terms. I would describe the effort for the hydraulic clutch as smooth and perhaps somewhat lighter than a comparable cable system. It depends on what clutch you're using, but the clutch pedal in these setups is not likely to be considered "light." What clutch are you using and what are you comparing it to? Something might be wrong. But it also might be pretty typical.

I am comparing it to my daily driver which is a Scion FR-S. I actually modified that car by taking the helper spring out of the clutch pedal so if felt more direct, if a bit heavier. To me it just feels like a normal clutch.

The clutch in my MK4 is the stock clutch for a 93 Mustang GT with a T-5 transmission.

I am goIng to try and get someone to help me bleed it properly tomorrow as I am starting to think maybe that is the culprit.

[boat737]

Any memory as to how much you cut off? When you say "all the way out", do you mean the push rod from the MC is fully extended, or when the clutch fork is fully disengaged, i.e. It is furthest rearward and the shaft of the MC is as short as it can get? Thanks.

I made one cut to the slave push rod. Perfect the first cut. I have about 3/16 play with clutch fork between slave fully retracted and slave slightly extended and just starting to engage the TOB. That play is important since as the clutch wears the fork will eventually start to move back and the play will decrease, maybe even to the degree that the clutch will not fully engage.

[lahrs37]

Quick question: what diameter hose did you all use when bleeding the clutch? My go-to bleeder hose is too big and I thought I might order some online...

[phileas_fogg]

I believe the hose I used was 3mm; it was part of a Harbor Freight bleeder kit. The tubing should be available at any pet store in the aquarium section.

[lahrs37]

I believe the hose I used was 3mm; it was part of a Harbor Freight bleeder kit. The tubing should be available at any pet store in the aquarium section.

Perfect, thanks!

[lahrs37]

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So I fully bled the clutch, but the pedal is still hard. After I take my foot off the clutch, I can manually depress the slave cylinder a little more. Then the next time I depress the clutch pedal it feels a bit better. Does this just mean I need to trim a little more off of the pushrod?