700+ Designs: Please post your designs here for all to see

[Fast818]

700+ Designs: Please post your designs here for all to see

Hi guys I would love to see all the great 818 designs and idea's you sent in.
I would also like to thank Dave and FFR for the chance to a design car. It was great fun.

Thank you

This is my entry

[Dave Smith]

I think that we (FFR) will post the submissions (not all 700) for a public review. We'll be working on the in the week ahead.

[kach22i]

I think that we (FFR) will post the submissions (not all 700) for a public review. We'll be working on the in the week ahead.
That would be nice.

This could have been a monster thread otherwise.

[hac]

Here was my entry :) :
http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz208/hacopt/Factory%20Five%20818/Pangestu818sml1a.jpg
http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz208/hacopt/Factory%20Five%20818/Pangestu818sml2.jpg
http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz208/hacopt/Factory%20Five%20818/Pangestu818sml3.jpg
http://i828.photobucket.com/albums/zz208/hacopt/Factory%20Five%20818/Pangestu818sml6.jpg

[Fast818]

Ok that would be great thank you Dave

[Bluewinters21]

I know that there will be another thread for this but here are some of mine. Just in case mine are not good enough to make the FFR thread.
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[Cooluser23]

I think that we (FFR) will post the submissions (not all 700) for a public review. We'll be working on the in the week ahead.

That would be great. Please do.
Maybe make another contest of "people's choice" that could be announced on blogs like www.autoblog.com, of www.jalopnik.com, or www.fastlanedaily.com

[Flamshackle]

All I can say is these are amazing images of a dream car IMO... I WILL BUY ONE just please send it to New Zealand???

[Steve91T]

I submitted a sketch in time for the contest but then started learning Sketchup after the deadline. I have only used Sketchup for a week now and my design got tweaked in a few ways I didn't know how to fix. But at least it gives you a better idea of what I had in mind then my sketch.

Seriously?

[Oppenheimer]

See now that is kinda cool. The other thing you posted, well, you know how sometimes people with absolutely no musical talent try out for those American Idol type shows, and you wonder, are they serious, do they really think they can sing, or are they just so eager to be on TV they don't care if everyone, even their Mom, is laughing at them? Well that other one was kinda like that.

This one is cool.

[kach22i]

Ideally the sides would look more like the car below.
You mean to say this is an example of someone else's work which you admire and were trying to emulate?

Your first drawing in all honesty would not even make a cool child's toy. I'm not trying to be mean, just want you to know what I see.

By all means learn to draw, and or master a drawing program. Don't let a little stumbling when you first start out discourage you. It's not how many times you fall, it's how many times you get up which defines your character.

[BipDBo]

hac,
That's pretty sharp.

[hac]

Thanks

[kach22i]

See now that is kinda cool. The other thing you posted, well, you know how sometimes people with absolutely no musical talent try out for those American Idol type shows, and you wonder, are they serious, do they really think they can sing, or are they just so eager to be on TV they don't care if everyone, even their Mom, is laughing at them? Well that other one was kinda like that.

This one is cool.

I just happened to find the full image today. Thought you might want to see the whole thing by the original designer (not kitcarj).

Click on: Desmosedici-RR2
http://www.local-motors.com/

[BipDBo]

Dave is talking about mayber posting a top 30 or 40, so out of 700, I doubt I'll make the cut. It was a labor of love though, and I'd like to know what people think. I have offered "constructive criticism" to other's designs, so feel free to pick it apart. A little disclaimer; components like wheels, mirrors, and the interior are not my work. They were taken and adapted from a drawing I downloaded from an AutoCad share site.

The nose of the car features a minimally sized air intake to feed the radiator and ducts to cool the front discs. The main radiator air outlet is on the top surface of the hood to maximize aerodynamic down-force and reduce drag.
The roll bar is enclosed in body pillars and a horizontal foil that can be designed to provide down force and reduce drag. Each pillar has an air intake to feed the top mounted intercooler and combustion air intake.
The base design is without doors or windshield to save weight and expense while making the car more rigid. A full cage kit could be provided for further racing safety.
A single exhaust is all that is needed. Anything more is added weight.
There is an opening in the transom of the car to reduce weight and to leave the transmission and rear suspension components on display. It also forms a low, rear diffuser, integral to the fiberglass body that could cover a tube steel bumper. With more time, I would have liked to make this opening larger and flattened the diffuser a bit.
This car was designed per the provided templates and dimensions. No modification to the frame should be needed.
Unfortunately, some of the details are not shown. I ran out of time and CAD knowledge to include headlights, taillights, or seams. Headlights and taillights adapted from the GTM would look very nice on this car.

Providing a roof kit for a doorless car that provides better egress than the General Lee is a difficult problem. I envisioned gull-wings attached to a narrow t-top roof spanning between a windshield and the center of the roll bar. With the gull wings fully opened, a person could to step over the side of the car and enter in the same manner as if the roof kit was not installed.

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[kach22i]

Each pillar has an air intake to feed the top mounted intercooler and combustion air intake.

1. The intake pillars for some reason are easily overlooked at first glance. Perhaps some extra detail here would help pop them out.

2. The sides are rather slab like, and based on the frame layout maybe should not be. You now have the width of the tires to climb over to get into the car.

3. Related to #2 above I think this design needs doors.

4. A windshield would be nice, or at least an alternate view of one.

5. Overall it's not a bad design. It really deserves more fleshing out to make it look like a real car, and not a cartoon of a car. The design is much more sophisticated than the rendering, some pretty good thinking behind it. Just need to express yourself better graphically. Headlights, tail lights, exhaust pipes (I mean really design it) and details like that will quickly make this something you are not so shy about.

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[olpro]

You asked...
I would suggest several things on your use of the cad program that are currently hurting your images.
First of all the color is pasty, flat and a very uncomplimentary hue. You would be better off with a silver or medium gray which would show the forms better by having more "flop" in value. Also, with a darker color, the stronger reflections will add depth to the surfaces.
Secondly, the 3/4 views are too "wide angle". I bet your program will allow you to use a "camera" with a much more telephoto lens which is always more flattering than the wide angle look. This is the same thing that portrait photographers know, using a long lens for a face. The wide angle look is especially wrong for your front because one of your stated issues is the fairly small air opening - and the current lens makes it look just the opposite.
Another thing is the lack of a ground plane or shadow which would help anchor the model.
As for details, if you can learn to project shapes on the surface and then trim and make them another color, you can create elementary lamps, etc. which will help break up the bland surfaces. These elements are there, but you are not getting the benefit of them. You can also use Photoshop or similar 2D program to draw cut lines and other details. The winner did this, if you look closely at his cad renderings.
I won't get into the actual forms and surfaces. Hopefully the above tricks will help you bring your images up a few steps.

[D2W]

I just happened to find the full image today. Thought you might want to see the whole thing by the original designer (not kitcarj).

Click on: Desmosedici-RR2
http://www.local-motors.com/

I found this design early in the competition when I was doing research. This is more of what I thought the 818 would be. Simple/lightweight/exotic but not like a supercar. If you really look at all the design elements (removeable fenders for openwheel track days, removeable windshield and top, ect.) this is a well thought out design that I would build in a heartbeat.

[kach22i]

I found this design early in the competition when I was doing research. This is more of what I thought the 818 would be. Simple/lightweight/exotic but not like a supercar. If you really look at all the design elements (removeable fenders for openwheel track days, removeable windshield and top, ect.) this is a well thought out design that I would build in a heartbeat.

I do like that the frame or tub is in there and you can see it through all the added on body panels. This may be too progressive for older folks but I can see the appeal.

If you like this concept you may be interested in Googling the term Deconstructive Architecture or Deconstructivism.

[olpro]

I do like that the frame or tub is in there and you can see it through all the added on body panels. This may be too progressive for older folks but I can see the appeal.

If you like this concept you may be interested in Googling the term Deconstructive Architecture or Deconstructivism.
I would say that the deconstructivist idea in architecture has manifested itself in auto design in cars like the X-bow and Ariel Atom. Also a lot of details even on production cars were originally inspired by that movement.

[D2W]

I do like that the frame or tub is in there and you can see it through all the added on body panels. This may be too progressive for older folks but I can see the appeal.

If you like this concept you may be interested in Googling the term Deconstructive Architecture or Deconstructivism.

I would never had tied the two ideas together if you hadn't brought it up. Its an interesting form of architecture but to my engineer's eye seems disconnected. The car somehow doesn't, maybe I'm just in love with the shape. You are probably right however in that the concept is too far out there for mass appeal.

[Fast818]

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[crackedcornish]

The winner is ..1st place2357235823592360

uh yeah, we've seen that one...we want to see the other seven hundred and some entries

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[Rotr8]

^^^ those were never submitted

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[Bluewinters21]

Wow, lots off really good stuff here!

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[David Hodgkins]

Guys,

Just as an FYI, if you click the new Gallery Tab Button at the top of the page and choose "Album Gallery" from the drop-down menu you will see a plethora of user Albums with 818 entries that you can look at.

:)

[kach22i]

I've seen all of these design before, but many of the views are new.

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[crackedcornish]

Fast818 you really need to post names with those images

...and I still haven't seen any that I haven't seen before, either on here or on grassroots either

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[Dave Smith]

Update: Jim is still down south returning from races at Road Atlanta. I am meeting with RISD (Rhode Island School of Design) this week on 3-d scuplting for 1/4 scale models that can hopefully be scanned digitally, scaled and then become car bodies in real size (plugs) with the help of Solidworks crew. The designs are in a massive file and Im working on getting them in a format you guys can view, but this hasnt been a huge priority as the London C-car show is this weekend.

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[Dave Smith]

That one by Ben Hermance was one of my ALL-TIME favorites!!!!! Really nice balance.

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[Fast818]

Just a few great designs to look at until Dave and crew have time to post others cheers :-))

[Bluewinters21]

How on earth did some of these not win???

[Ks2]

^^^ those were never submitted

shame because they are pretty good in my opinion... a couple different views would be nice


That one by Ben Hermance was one of my ALL-TIME favorites!!!!! Really nice balance.

i'll second that, i thought this was really underated and loved the design, F1 car meets panoz roadster/caterham with part bat-mobile, all the while it seems feasible and not too over the top (well maybe a little)

[Niburu]

i'll second that, i thought this was really underated and loved the design, F1 car meets panoz roadster/caterham with part bat-mobile, all the while it seems feasible and not too over the top (well maybe a little)
not like that's a bad thing
it was close second for me, I've loved Xabier design since day one
but I'd totally be happy with this one too

[olpro]

Update: Jim is still down south returning from races at Road Atlanta. I am meeting with RISD (Rhode Island School of Design) this week on 3-d scuplting for 1/4 scale models that can hopefully be scanned digitally, scaled and then become car bodies in real size (plugs) with the help of Solidworks crew. The designs are in a massive file and Im working on getting them in a format you guys can view, but this hasnt been a huge priority as the London C-car show is this weekend.
I hope you have some good clay people at RISD to do the models. I know a couple of guys who have spent time there (but as teaching consultants, not actual staff) who are very accomplished modelers. I doubt if they have anyone on their regular staff or in their student body who is really expert enough with automotive surfaces to pull it off.
The other big issue is the cost of milling and making a usable plug. From my own modest explorations it can easily go over $50K for one plug, probably more (I had one project quoted at over $100K). That would hopefully be milled (final step at least) in some kind of urethane Ren paste which is hard enough to surface quickly and accurately. If you mill in a softer material like foam (many hardnesses available of course) you will have mucho bucks in finishing the plug to the point where is it useable. I found one guy in LA who would mill in a medium density particle board called Trupan which would give reasonable strength and not create too many hours of prep to finish. It still looked like +$20K just for the milling with that and the finishing would be at least as much.
If Solid Works is putting up some money then you are good to go but if you have to carry the load yourself you can always concentrate on one body, then do the others a little later.

[D2W]

Dave, how many designs are you going to have mocked up by RISD?

[mekeys]

I think that we (FFR) will post the submissions (not all 700) for a public review. We'll be working on the in the week ahead.

It would be great to see maybe a hundred or so,At least 50 .

To see Daves comment about building three different bodies,Go to the thread:Project 818 Design Contest Winners,Page three,comment no.98

Update 7/19/11 I still haven't seen hardly any of the 700 picutres that were submitted..And now that work is being done in 1/4 scale,I would like to see a couple of pictures a day to see how they are progressing.Doesn't seem like to much to ask.

[Rotr8]

shame because they are pretty good in my opinion... a couple different views would be nice


I did, then I took them down. Moved on to bigger and better things.

[Fast818]

Just in the Australian newspaper 818 follow the link

http://theage.drive.com.au/motor-news/crowdsourced-sportscar-to-become-a-reality-20110627-1gmps.html

[Fast818]

New roadstar...:-)) design looks interesting.. Have a great day
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[Oppenheimer]

Just in the Australian newspaper 818 follow the link

http://theage.drive.com.au/motor-news/crowdsourced-sportscar-to-become-a-reality-20110627-1gmps.html

That page lists the top 3 winners, and has a pool to vote on which you like best. The 'Camaro-ate-Cobra' from 2nd place is currently in the lead. Itneresting to see what the non-FFR (and mostly australian) crowd thinks of the designs.

[RodneyO]

Here is a gallery that shows different angles and a full roadster mock up

http://rodneyolmos.com/factoryfive/thumbv1.jpg v1 gallery (http://rodneyolmos.com/factoryfive/v1/index.php) http://rodneyolmos.com/factoryfive/thumbv2.jpg v2 gallery (http://rodneyolmos.com/factoryfive/v2/index.php)

[kach22i]

Thanks RodneyO, the additional views give me a greater appreciation for this design. I no longer think of it as a cartoon Camaro. The rear view is really nice, and the side view is much closer to the template than I initially thought.

For the curious, the last of the top three to be given the template treatment.
http://s184.photobucket.com/albums/x295/kach22i/Automobile/
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x295/kach22i/Automobile/FFR-2nd-place-scale-study.jpg

I centered the wheels as I've done before when encountering larger than template diameter wheels.

[David Hodgkins]

Rodney, I totally dig your v2 design!! It speaks to me like it's a Factory Five. I'd build that car in a second.

Very, very cool.

:)

[Martin]

that Ben Hermance car looks angry.

Possibly the most aggressive design I've seen so far.

I like the front splitter which gives it a more F1 style look. I'd like to see this one as more of an exo-skeleton car as well. i.e. bare bones body work but with splitter/spoiler.


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[mekeys]

uh yeah, we've seen that one...we want to see the other seven hundred and some entries

Amen

[speedboy]

RodneyO- Very cool! Definitely my favourite of the top three. Hopefully one of the body styles will look like this.

[mekeys]

uh yeah, we've seen that one...we want to see the other seven hundred and some entries

"amen"

[Flamshackle]

For the curious, the last of the top three to be given the template treatment.
http://s184.photobucket.com/albums/x295/kach22i/Automobile/
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x295/kach22i/Automobile/FFR-2nd-place-scale-study.jpg

Seriously what will this mean when it comes time to build this car??? will they throw the box so it hangs out the rear or what??? I love Rodneys car design and if they make it, I will build one hands down. but surely it will have to be stretched to fit the frame no?

Please Dave Smith make Rodneys car a reality! its winning on a public poll I just saw :~)

[olpro]

It looks pretty realistic to me. The foreshortening of the view is misleading as to the rear overhang at the centerline. It might have to be tweaked a little but isn't far from there.

[kach22i]

I'm guessing that in plan view the rear overhang is short about 5-6 inches. That can easily be taken care of by arcing out the rear. The whole body at it's sides do not have to extend with the transaxle.

Then again, it could end up looking like this.:o
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[Fast818]

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Keep em coming,About 600 more to go..

[kach22i]

some nice cars designs
I've not seen that particular Aston Martin before, very nice.

A couple of weeks ago I browsed my "Automobile" folder in which I saved some of my favorite research images. It took me about 2-1/2 hours of clicking to view them all.

I might be auto-obsessive.:cool:

[crackedcornish]

I think that we (FFR) will post the submissions (not all 700) for a public review. We'll be working on the in the week ahead.

Dave it's been over a month since you posted this...where's are the pics?

[mekeys]

Dave it's been over a month since you posted this...where's are the pics?

to see a web site that has over 34,000 concept car pictures posted..
Go to www.designerspace.com

[kach22i]

to see a web site that has over 34,000 concept car pictures posted..
Go to www.designerspace.com
I've seen that site before, I bet you have posted it before.

Do you know what's up with the 2006 design contest still being listed?

[mekeys]

Your right I have posted that url on several threads.I look at that site about once a month.I don't know anything about their contest.. I'm just a car design junkie.It's been on the internet for years.

I just thought that if they could post over 34,000 pictures that Factory Five could post a mere 700 without too much trouble.

As of 7/26/11..I still don't see any .Am I missing something..

[D2W]

I'd be happy if FFR would post anything. It's been pretty quiet and boring around here.

[mekeys]

I'd be happy if FFR would post anything. It's been pretty quiet and boring around here.

I had an idea that got shot down before I could post it.I was going to suggest that FF put a web cam on the 1/4 scale models while they were being worked on..Then I read a post from Dave that said that they wouldn't show any pictures until they were done.."BUMMER".I would have loved to see the work done as it was going on.!!!!!


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[mekeys]

I want to see all of the pictures that were submitted for the contest.

I would also like to see a live web cam on the work being done on the 1/4 scale models..
That way Dave wouldn't have to worry about posting constant updates..

MK

[newtrix]

Dagger!!!! FTW!!!

[D2W]

I agree a live web cam or even a time lapse feed of the modeling would be cool but it isn't likely to happen. Dave hasn't even posted anything for over a week. I know wish in one hand, cr@p in the other:)

[kach22i]

Most of these are again non-template conforming, and again very very cool stuff. I too like the Dagger (and most of the others - all red?).

The first Ferrari look-a-like I swear I've seen on the Internet before, and not as a submittal in this contest. However, if any of the recent postings fit the template, this one comes closest.

[riptide motorsport]

those are all just too beautiful!

[Cooluser23]

Dave, how about posting 1 design of the top 50 you like a week? That would keep the vultures (like me :p ) happy and will also keep interest in the 818 high for the next 50 weeks, pretty much a year.

[mekeys]

Dave, how about posting 1 design of the top 50 you like a week? That would keep the vultures (like me :p ) happy and will also keep interest in the 818 high for the next 50 weeks, pretty much a year.

I would also like to see a web cam showing the work being done on the 1/4 scale models.That way Dave wouldn't have to post a picture every day..As if..

[Cooluser23]

I would also like to see a web cam showing the work being done on the 1/4 scale models.That way Dave wouldn't have to post a picture every day..As if..

+1 on webcam. That would be the car enthusiast version of the Shiba Inu Puppy Cam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiba_Inu_Puppy_Cam)

[olpro]

A webcam would be tremendous fun to watch and follow the process.

On the otherhand, I can tell you from personal experience that the constant "feedback" would be horribly destructive to actually making any progress toward good design. Imagine being a master chef trying to work in the kitchen with a bunch of amateurs insisting on more salt, less oregano, etc.
You really have to let the people do their work, presenting it now and then WHEN it is ready.

[05xtsy]

Thought I would post this up, This was all I had done as far as a quick sketch of the side profile of this car, didn't get a chance to turn it in, still thought it would be nice to hear some feedback.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/05xtsy/FinalIsoSubmission.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/05xtsy/ArchCitypic1.jpg

[kach22i]

05xtsy, I always liked your design, but felt some of the curves got a bit cartoonish. The cab forward windshield (should be pulled back) and wavy curve of top edge of the glass (sort of odd) kind of distracted for me.

I marked-up your design to more what I would have liked to seen. I'm not sure what's going on with the rear swirl, just copied what you had there the best I could.

http://s184.photobucket.com/albums/x295/kach22i/Automobile/
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x295/kach22i/Automobile/05xtsy-revised-scheme.jpg

What do you think?

I know it's a bit more bland now, but more realistic in my opinion.

You should have turned yours in, it was at least fitting the template pretty well.

[olpro]

05xtsy, I hate to say it but you are using perspective to cheat that package. When you tip the view up like you did, it is easy to make it LOOK like you are meeting the headroom requirements but you are not. The side glass on your drawing is where the actual design would be and the d line (drip line) is about at the driver's nose height.

[D2W]

A webcam would be tremendous fun to watch and follow the process.

On the otherhand, I can tell you from personal experience that the constant "feedback" would be horribly destructive to actually making any progress toward good design. Imagine being a master chef trying to work in the kitchen with a bunch of amateurs insisting on more salt, less oregano, etc.
You really have to let the people do their work, presenting it now and then WHEN it is ready.

Feedback would only be destructive if they listened to any of it, and they've done a pretty good job of ignoring us so far:)

[kach22i]

05xtsy, I hate to say it but you are using perspective to cheat that package. When you tip the view up like you did, it is easy to make it LOOK like you are meeting the headroom requirements but you are not. The side glass on your drawing is where the actual design would be and the d line (drip line) is about at the driver's nose height.
This is true.

Drawing in true elevation should be the simple part, at least for me it is.

[05xtsy]

Ignore the back underlay... Ps its a sketch

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[GUNS]

Fast818, I don't think you have figured out the point of this thread...

[kach22i]

Ignore the back underlay... Ps its a sketch

I trust that you are not using the word "sketch" as an out, and earnestly take to heart the comments already made. Sketches in general, at least for me are a working tool, one which enlightens, not confuses or sidetracks the goal or design process.

I guess there are many other definitions, for what good it will do I'll post a few links.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/sketch

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=sketch&tbs=dfn:1&tbo=u&sa=X&ei=Ae43To5f5YeyAr6QiaEP&sqi=2&ved=0CBUQkQ4&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=d12ab4e7291794c9&biw=1280&bih=678

I do like the lines of your sketch, it was very easy for me to convert them into elevation. Your design is not a copy of anything else, nor even a cut & paste or combination of a few other designs. You should realize by looking at the other entrants that this is something special. I think you should follow up and project the other orthographic views, front, rear and top on your own time.

[kach22i]

Fast818, I don't think you have figured out the point of this thread...
I'm confused by the recent posts.

Fast818, are you employed by FFR?

Where did you get the other images posted last month?

These last few posts are definitely existing cars. Are you maybe saying that people entered these designs much in the same way discussions of the Indigo and Stratos were started in the forum?

[Fast818]

1st Post to start the Thread by me

700+ Designs: Please post your designs here for all to see
Hi guys I would love to see all the great 818 designs and idea's you sent in

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By Dave Smith
06-13-2011 01:48 AM I think that we (FFR) will post the submissions (not all 700) for a public review. We'll be working on the in the week ahead

5th post by me
Ok that would be great thank you Dave

06-21-2011 01:46 AM
I start to post as many pics of 818 cars as I have for people to see until Dave’s post

06-21-2011 03:06 AM By Dave Smith
Update: Jim is still down south returning from races at Road Atlanta. I am meeting with RISD (Rhode Island School of Design) this week on 3-d sculpting for 1/4 scale models that can hopefully be scanned digitally, scaled and then become car bodies in real size (plugs) with the help of Solidworks crew. The designs are in a massive file and I’m working on getting them in a format you guys can view, but this hasn’t been a huge priority as the London C-car show is this weekend.

06-21-2011 03:17 AM by me
Just a few great designs to look at until Dave and crew have time to post others cheers :-))

One month later still no FFR pics posted. So to keep the thread alive I post pics of other
designs to look at until Dave post 818 design as promised
Posted by me
07-20-2011 02:57 AM "No 818 designs from FFR So...I will post some nice cars designs until then"

Today Still waiting for Dave to post as promised designs of cars from the 818 comp
Until then I thorough you might like to see some nice designs to look at to inspire you and later compare too with the 818 designs Dave will hopefully post

Thank you for your patience Fast 818

[mekeys]

Subject:waiting for FF to post pictures of submissions.

Thanks Fast 818 I think you have said it all..

MK

[kach22i]

Thank you for the explanation. Fast818, I commend the role of liaison which you have taken upon yourself. I wish that somehow you were granted access to the files, and could then post them in the forum.

A few images I've found on the Internet, posting just for fun.

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[Fast818]

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[Fast818]

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[Flamshackle]

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thats not a concept they made it work! shame it wont go into production however... same old problem that they had YEARS ago when looking at this idea...

Exhaust heat from the rear being dangerous a best, lethal at wost...

[Fast818]

Car is going into production with petrol engine not jet turbine engine.
still also using electic motors and AWD. Yes your right HOT dam HOT...!!!

[Fast818]

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[Fast818]

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[kach22i]

Those last two are new to me, the Jag is not, but many new views - loved it.

I saw what was maybe a stunt car in the second Mad Max movie on a trailer yesterday.
Scroll down to last post on page: http://thehotseatforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=98&start=270

This morning I did a Google search on Mad Max car and found this cool Ford concept - 2011, designed by Simon Brook.

http://gallerydesignconcept.blogspot.com/2011/03/ford-mad-max-designer-by-simon-brook.html
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http://deskofbrian.com/2011/07/ford-topgear-present-mad-max-interceptors/
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TopGear Australia magazine and Ford have created two futuristic cars fit for hero Mad Max as filming on the fourth instalment of the film begins.
The two ‘Interceptors’, created by Ford designers Nima Nourian and Simon Brook, have been turned into show-car models that will go on display at the Australian International Motor Show in Melbourne on July 1.

[05xtsy]

I trust that you are not using the word "sketch" as an out, and earnestly take to heart the comments already made. Sketches in general, at least for me are a working tool, one which enlightens, not confuses or sidetracks the goal or design process.

I guess there are many other definitions, for what good it will do I'll post a few links.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/sketch

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=sketch&tbs=dfn:1&tbo=u&sa=X&ei=Ae43To5f5YeyAr6QiaEP&sqi=2&ved=0CBUQkQ4&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=d12ab4e7291794c9&biw=1280&bih=678

I do like the lines of your sketch, it was very easy for me to convert them into elevation. Your design is not a copy of anything else, nor even a cut & paste or combination of a few other designs. You should realize by looking at the other entrants that this is something special. I think you should follow up and project the other orthographic views, front, rear and top on your own time.

The first imag that I posted was a 3 hour render, and the second was a sketch that I accidentally made with the FFR underlay. It wasn't meant to show a side orthographic view. It was a 5 min sketch free handing the perspective.

[05xtsy]

05xtsy, I hate to say it but you are using perspective to cheat that package. When you tip the view up like you did, it is easy to make it LOOK like you are meeting the headroom requirements but you are not. The side glass on your drawing is where the actual design would be and the d line (drip line) is about at the driver's nose height.

Contrary to what you may think, I do know what I'm doing. These were all free hand. I didn't see the underlay in sketchbook before I posted it. It's slightly tilted to show a quick view of "free hand" perspective. I could set it up with exact perspective, but like I said in my first post, it was a quick (meaning rough) sketch.

[kach22i]

05xtsy, it seems we may have responded in a technical manner to an artistic endeavor. Please remember that there is a tech side to Industrial Design and that Olpro is exactly that an Old Pro. My excuse is that I'm an architect, a profession consisting of a mix of Art and Technology.

I think that you got some sincere and valuable feedback, and you may have taken it the wrong way. A thank you would have been nice, just saying.

EDIT-1:
Scroll to the bottom of the page.......worth your while.
LAMBORGHINI Miura Roadster (1968)
http://mobillamborghini.blogspot.com/2010_11_01_archive.html


EDIT-2: It needs more height for some presence in traffic, but a nice effort.

http://www.luxuryassetnetwork.com/details/vehicle/743
http://www.luxuryassetnetwork.com/asset/vehicle/4/7/743/n_a02d9581181f8a39cca56de0149f321f.jpg
http://www.luxuryassetnetwork.com/asset/vehicle/4/7/743/n_b163f0d0f1812dca58c57e73fee962eb.jpg

LeMans
http://www.gt40s.com/forum/rcr-forum-rcr40-slc-p4-mkiv/22481-rcrs-next-car-should-39.html
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i237/Big-F00T/april508013Small.jpg
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i237/Big-F00T/april508012Small.jpg
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i237/Big-F00T/april508010Small.jpg

[Fast818]

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[05xtsy]

05xtsy, it seems we may have responded in a technical manner to an artistic endeavor. Please remember that there is a tech side to Industrial Design and that Olpro is exactly that an Old Pro. My excuse is that I'm an architect, a profession consisting of a mix of Art and Technology.

I think that you got some sincere and valuable feedback, and you may have taken it the wrong way. A thank you would have been nice, just saying.

Thanks, all feedback is welcome, I was just explaining my position. It's difficult to tell tone, and meaning in writing (probably the key issue for most online rants :) ) Please don't think of my comments as being unappreciative.

[kach22i]

Cool, and thank you for the follow up.

[Fast818]

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[Fast818]

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[Fast818]

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[Fast818]

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[kach22i]

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whups, time flys by ;) here comes my entry - congrats to all entrants and winners!
I like that exposed roll bar frame, any more angles?

I have a half dozen side profiles I've sketched up since the end of the contest. Any interest in seeing them? One of them looks like a Porsche Cayman mated with a F360 Ferrari, but in a good way.

[D2W]

I like that exposed roll bar frame, any more angles?

I have a half dozen side profiles I've sketched up since the end of the contest. Any interest in seeing them? One of them looks like a Porsche Cayman mated with a F360 Ferrari, but in a good way.

Love to see them.

Yeahmaha - I too would like to see other angles, I like the simplicity.

[kach22i]

This is weird, to post new designs when I have not posted even half of the ones I entered. I revisited my first design, trying to get the feel right, and take some of the mass out of it without tossing out the the fastback roof slope of 20% or less (aerodynamic reasons).

To recap......................

Start:
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x295/kach22i/Industrial%20Design/A-SIDE-CLAY-CAR-flipped.jpg

Tragic interpretation
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x295/kach22i/Industrial%20Design/GKA-Scheme1-section.jpg

Quick template sketch
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x295/kach22i/Industrial%20Design/GKA-tire-storage-study.jpg

Sketch to lower rear mass
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x295/kach22i/Industrial%20Design/GKA-lower-vent-height-1.jpg

Sketch which abandons high haunch intake
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x295/kach22i/Industrial%20Design/GKA-Cayman-F360-study.jpg

As you can see, this is a process which I am far from being done with. I'll just have to keep playing with it, distorting it, and mutating it until it evolves at it's own pace.

[olpro]

Each step you have taken seems to improve the design visually. I would still lower the rear fender over the wheel with a more level line, keeping the rear height.
Keep it going, I love this stuff.

[kach22i]

Thanks for the input olpro.

A couple from last week.
http://s184.photobucket.com/albums/x295/kach22i/Industrial%20Design/#!cpZZ1QQtppZZ20
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x295/kach22i/Industrial%20Design/GKA-August-Studies1.jpg

Edit, found some more while cleaning up.
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x295/kach22i/Industrial%20Design/GKA-August-Studies5.jpg
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x295/kach22i/Industrial%20Design/GKA-August-Studies3.jpg
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x295/kach22i/Industrial%20Design/GKA-August-Studies4.jpg
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x295/kach22i/Industrial%20Design/GKA-August-Studies2.jpg

[kach22i]

I went and loaded up my Photobucket account, the other views are there. Just click on the link to see the other views, there is a flash option or something if you tire of clicking. I've posted a couple of these before, lost in the vortex of old posts - here we go again.

LINK:
http://s184.photobucket.com/albums/x295/kach22i/Industrial%20Design/#!cpZZ1QQtppZZ20

Door bar
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x295/kach22i/Industrial%20Design/WEB-Scheme2-side.jpg

Doorless
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x295/kach22i/Industrial%20Design/WEB-Scheme3-Side.jpg

GTM2...........yea I know Dave's brother went that direction..........just covering all the bases.
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x295/kach22i/Industrial%20Design/WEB-Scheme4-side.jpg

A little R8 in this one, I like how low and light it looks.
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x295/kach22i/Industrial%20Design/WEB-Scheme5-side.jpg

A bit late 80"s looking, missed the mark on blending the rear wheel haunch with the flat side near tail lights.
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x295/kach22i/Industrial%20Design/WEB-SCHEME6-SIDE.jpg

The "Italian", makes no apologies for being macho and retro.
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x295/kach22i/Industrial%20Design/WEB-SCHEME7-SIDE.jpg

My Porsche should they ever ask for my two cents.
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x295/kach22i/Industrial%20Design/WEB-SCHEME8-SIDE.jpg

The watercolor wash cars are studies (my entries) which cover areas I felt others did not already touch on in the forum. Last thing I wanted to do is to do a twist on somebody else's design, or on another car already in production. In retrospect, I should have just locked myself in a room and drew from my heart, and not get too caught up in all of the influences out there. Easier said than done, it's tough when you don't like what you are doing and seek inspiration.

[olpro]

I like that design in post #141 but I thought it was a bit heavy in the rear. It is a very clean design (Less is more... Mies V > As an architect you know what I am talking about. I spent four years in Crown Hall at IIT :).
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Hope you don't mind my drawing over it - to add a subtle form to break up the mass a bit?

[kach22i]

Hope you don't mind my drawing over it
I don't mind at all, that quick sketch was my return, or an attempt to return the drawing the original clay model proportions.

Letting go of the FFR template or at least the rear overhang does wonders for this design. A more commonly found and powerful V6 resulting in a rear not mid-engine layout was my decision five years ago. I just could not adapt this old design to the FFR template without falling all over myself in a clumsy manner.

let me see what you did...............

1. Added a wash of tone to flesh it out

2. Added some nice wheels and tires to make it look more real, less cartoonish.

Is that all you did?

How much do you want to finish it?;)

The program you used was "Sketch-Up", right?

A local hobby shop (Riders) is closing up it's doors after +40 years in Ann Arbor. I tried to get some scale wheels/tires for the now dusty clay model, but they had nothing in stock (everything has huge discounts until the shelves are clean). Seeing how important wheels are, I have to replace those blue foam float noodles on the model ASAP.

http://www.iit.edu/arch/crown_hall/

So you were on your path to becoming an architect? Right now I wish that I got out when I was still in school and went into Industrial Design. But hey if I work for another 30 years (to 81) the second half of my career can be ID.

[olpro]

I used Photoshop. Unfortunately I have to draw on it with the mouse which gives lousy control. I used to have a Wacom Cintique tablet monitor which allowed me to draw right on the screen.
You might try Tower Hobbies for RC car wheels http://www.towerhobbies.com/#
I was in the Institute of Design at IIT which was in the basement at Crown hall. The architecture students were upstairs in the sunlight :)

[mekeys]

Lots of good lines there kach22i.

Boy do wheels make the difference (yes)

Mel

[kach22i]

Thank you for the link Olpro.

Thank you for the comments/observations Mel.

EDIT: Added a door to the doorless design, just a rough study.

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x295/kach22i/Industrial%20Design/3-Side-DOOR.jpg

As a doorless design it did not look like a dunebuggy, which was my goal. Looks sort of flat and heavy with a door, but maybe it is an improvement.

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Made a few changes to the study Olpro helped out with in regards to the rear mass issue.

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x295/kach22i/Industrial%20Design/GKA-August-Studies3-rear-bump.jpg

..........................................edit

The rear overhang kills a lot of studies.
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x295/kach22i/Industrial%20Design/GKA-Fiat-Inspired.jpg

[Dave Smith]

Guys,

I love this post. I have been trying to get time to take the 700 or so GRM-FFR contest submissions and get them up either here or on Factory Fiv'e website. The specific job that is needed is to format each entry (some are diff sizes) and post them on a website. If anyone has the time to help do this you can PM mad dog (ffr webmaster and overworked tech-genius) and see if we can work together. I spose we could uncork some dollars for the effort, but this is a low buck operation and we prefer to pay in worthless promo parts and free gratuituos thanks on the forum (we could bestow an honorary degree of postology and redification with an emphasis on repetition.

[Cooluser23]

Guys,

I love this post. I have been trying to get time to take the 700 or so GRM-FFR contest submissions and get them up either here or on Factory Fiv'e website. The specific job that is needed is to format each entry (some are diff sizes) and post them on a website. If anyone has the time to help do this you can PM mad dog (ffr webmaster and overworked tech-genius) and see if we can work together. I spose we could uncork some dollars for the effort, but this is a low buck operation and we prefer to pay in worthless promo parts and free gratuituos thanks on the forum (we could bestow an honorary degree of postology and redification with an emphasis on repetition.

Sounds easy enough. I have some spare time, and Photoshop to resize things. Send me a PM on formatting requirements and I can donate a few hours to a few days to the effort.

[yeahmaha]

Yeahmaha - I too would like to see other angles, I like the simplicity.

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[Martin]

Sounds easy enough. I have some spare time, and Photoshop to resize things. Send me a PM on formatting requirements and I can donate a few hours to a few days to the effort.

I have a program that does batch conversions as well. I just give it a folder, tell it what size, and it resized all of the files for me. Probably take it 5 minutes to resize all 700.

[mekeys]

Hurray,finally started posting pictures of the 700.First batch up today.
Mel

[crackedcornish]

Hurray,finally started posting pictures of the 700.First batch up today.
Mel

yeah, but if they're only gonna' do 12 a day, it's going to take about two months to post them all :rolleyes:

[AwesomeBob]

That is pretty bad ***. Looks like a Ferrari and that's nothing to complain about.

[AwesomeBob]

In 3rd place 2362236323642365236623672368

I like 3rd place better. It just looks like the perfect entry.