You Be The Judge

[crackedcornish]

OK, I was admittedly disappointed in the judges picks... so I decided to show how I would have picked the top three ....if I had been in charge :)

Now obviously I didn't get to see all of the entries like the real judges did (which makes me wonder what those guys were given as guidelines for the actual judging), but from the ones I did see posted on this forum, I would have picked these.

First:
This car has a sexy track and street version, and I love the strong retro Porsche Spyder vibe it has going
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s147/crackedcornish/e7dec789.jpg
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s147/crackedcornish/b4a57870.jpg



Second:
This car used Subaru lights to great effect, and also had beautiful track and street versions. If this car had had a more aggressive side scoop, I think I may have put in first place
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s147/crackedcornish/96f20536.jpg
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s147/crackedcornish/8c55a34c.jpg



Third:
This was a hard decision, but I think this one from 05xtsy is just a tick better to my eye than Scott B's.
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s147/crackedcornish/502496b5.jpg





Honorable Mention:
This one would have been a tie for third, except for the fact that 05xtsy used the Subaru lights in his design keeping with the single donor theme just slightly better
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s147/crackedcornish/1d261972.jpg


How would you have picked 'em?

[Steve91T]

FFR judges had to take into more considerations than we could possibly imagine. Just because they may have liked a design, doesn't mean that they would realistically be able to produce it. Plus, a lot of the cars were outside of the limits of the frame. While I agree, 2nd and 3rd place would have been my 1st choice, I know they chose the 1st place car for a reason. Like it's been said already, they are going to mold that car to their liking to make it look better, and functional.

They know what they are doing. I don't think saying which design everyone else would have chosen is very productive. They are probably already hard at work at "redesigning" the car right now. I'm anxious to see their rendition of the car. I'm confident that it's going to look great.

Steve

[crackedcornish]

FFR judges had to take into more considerations than we could possibly imagine. Just because they may have liked a design, doesn't mean that they would realistically be able to produce it. Plus, a lot of the cars were outside of the limits of the frame. While I agree, 2nd and 3rd place would have been my 1st choice, I know they chose the 1st place car for a reason. Like it's been said already, they are going to mold that car to their liking to make it look better, and functional.

They know what they are doing. I don't think saying which design everyone else would have chosen is very productive. They are probably already hard at work at "redesigning" the car right now. I'm anxious to see their rendition of the car. I'm confident that it's going to look great.

Steve

I agree that we don't know what guidelines the judges were given, and I said so in the original post. Although I would think that they wouldn't want to build a GTM killer, would they? And remember Dave is the one who said not to let the chassis design get in the way of a truly beautiful design

Anyway we have at least a year till the F5 version of a body will be for sale, although I'm sure we'll get some previews of it before it's completely ready for sale.

So we need something to talk about in the meantime, I don't want to be argumentative, I just would like to see how other peoples taste run in the designs and how other people would have rated the top three designs that we have been shown, so show me how you would have picked!

[RonSchofield]

I like the winning design the best. I don't see this as a GTM killer. The one thing that I really like is the sharp lines as compared to all the other Factory Five cars which are curvy. If the sharp lines are kept, this will make a world class addition to the Factory Five corral.

[JRL]

I would build any of crackedcornish's top three. In MHO #'s 2 and 3 are nearly perfect.

The # 2 car as selected by FF (Olmos design) would be high on my list except for the front - it looks too much like a cartoon character.

I am so underwhelmed by the winner I doubt I will even keep up with the development over the next 12 - 18 months.

It was fun following the many great designs and good luck to those of you hoping to build an 818. I hope it goes together better than the last two FF kits.

[Benji]

I would build any of crackedcornish's top three. In MHO #'s 2 and 3 are nearly perfect.

The # 2 car as selected by FF (Olmos design) would be high on my list except for the front - it looks too much like a cartoon character.

I am so underwhelmed by the winner I doubt I will even keep up with the development over the next 12 - 18 months.

It was fun following the many great designs and good luck to those of you hoping to build an 818. I hope it goes together better than the last two FF kits.

I think your last comment was a bit harsh and unnecessary but I'd have to agree with pretty much the rest of what you said.

I think whilst Xabier's design may not be the *best* looking car to all people. I think it was the most agreeable car to most of the people.

Ho hum, maybe they won't build 1st place at all? Maybe even though 1st won the competition, they'll decide to build 3rd anyway?

Does look like there is enough room for an H6 though ;)

[kach22i]

They are all nice designs, and the entries placing in the top three, 3rd place entry is the only one which fit the template. Of the whole group honored/mentioned as a judge's pick (or other award like Editor's Choice), about half fit the template. I could be wrong, but that is my opinion.

Meaning, the judges had great faith in the FFR designers to morf/change any winning design no mater how non-conforming it may be. In essence, they were looking for a concept, an inspiration rather than a conforming or realistic car design. You could have gathered this from the selection of weekly winners as well.

All top three designs were posted in the forum prior to the contest. I'm thinking that was an advantage, that is to say; to look familiar. If liked when posted, then being already favored worked out for them, maybe not for everyone though. All this of course assumes that most of the judges were lurking in the forum from time to time.

Makes me wish that I posted some of my better designs, oh well.

[slopoke]

I'll second your choices Cracked. but would also add Jeff Teague's entry to the mix, even though it might need a little tweaking in the headroom department

[ScottKoschwitz]

crackedcornish's top three are also my top three, with perhaps Xabier's design at the top. I really, really like crackedcornish's 1st and 3rd, and would happily build either one. His first 1st is reminiscent of the Porsche 550 Spyder and his third of the Ginetta G12 (I think). I love those original cars because they are classic and beautiful.

However, my hunch is that FFR want to get away from retro-inpired cars and build something unique. Everything else FFR have produced until now is based on something that has come before. I think FFR have determined that the 818 is their opportunity to go from being known as a quality retro kit car manufacturer to a quality kit manufacturer -- period. Of those three, Xabier's design accomplishes that best.

You know, I researched FFR as an alternative if I couldn't afford a Lotus Elise. If the 818 realizes its apparent potential, even if I can afford an Elise, I think I would probably buy the 818. That's for a number of reasons: the satisfaction of building a car myself, the ability to customize the car, support of an American company, and the uniqueness of the car. I think it's fantastic that in this age, with the stringent federal and state regulation of the automobile, you can still buy a car to assemble yourself. I am really looking forward to the development of this car.

[Horhay]

I find it amusing to read that people are giving up on this car based on one concept drawing. O ye of little faith.

I'm excited to see how this car turns out, and I'm equally excited by all aspects of the car. A car is so much more than it's exterior design, so to quit on the 818 because you don't like the first concept drawing is very short sighted. If you want to get excited again, look at the rolling chassis pictures. I know that got me looking even harder for a donor.

[Bluewinters21]

My only gripe is that some of the judge’s picks could have gone to other cars. I understand that if a person likes a car they like a car. But did Romain Ferrands really need to win three awards? Marc Senger won two. Colin Bonathan won twice as well. Don’t get me wrong, I really liked Colin Bonathan’s design, but it would have been nice if one of the judges could have said, “oh, you already picked that one…Then I think that I’ll pick one of the other designs out of the hundreds of awesome entries left on the table!” I know that David Smith said that he could throw out the top fifty designs and still have an awesome car, but I didn’t think that he would actually do it…

[Cobra Cory]

Of the picks on the Factory Five site I would have liked the third place winner best. I think it would have a broader appeal. Yes maybe it isn't as aggressive as the first place pick and it is a bit curvy, but if trying to sell to the broadest base of customers in "The World" I think the third place winner would have been the one.
Not saying the first place car is no good of course. I guess to each their own and they had some pretty good talent picking. So what do I know!:)

[Oppenheimer]

1. Xabier
2. ScottyB
3. SW1

honorable mention: Thanas4 & Carrera (that CrackedCornish has as his #1)

[Bluewinters21]

I had completely forgotten about SW1’s awesome entry. A few others I liked (but didn’t win) off of the top of my head were; Cayeya, Stavros, Matt Perez, Krozn, Sethalpine, Hiryu (had a bunch), Arif, Thanas_4, etc… Sadly, I can’t remember them all. I don’t feel up to searching through all the entries posted to try either. But the one remarkable thing about all of this is the amount of awesomeness that we have seen in the limited number of entries posted. What was it, like a hundred or so? And there was somewhere around seven hundred entries! Wow, what did we miss out on? :confused:

[2KWIK4U]

Ok here are my choices, but just so you know I had about 10 first places :) but I whittled them down.

#1
2299


#2
2300


#3
2302


#4
2301

Man, I couldn't even get them down to only three but these are my most favorite. I am still excited about the winning design and would be happy to build it after Dave does his voodoo magic to it. ;)

[readymix]

SW1, Arif's design, and Thanas_4's designs are still on my list. Henry's white roadster gets some honorable mentions. Xabier's design, from the start, had my interest.

[kach22i]

Henry's white roadster gets some honorable mentions.
Interesting that you guys remember this one - it's nice. I think that should the winning design be developed further it will more closely resemble Henry's design than what it looks like today. Just saying this based on fitting the template and making it more user friendly. As in short people being able to see over the belt line and over the hood.

Lower the belt line (side window sill height) of the winning design, raise the windshield to clear the top of driver's head, and the two designs will be closer in character than they presently are, in my opinion.

[agepag]

crackedcornish's top three are also my top three, with perhaps Xabier's design at the top. I really, really like crackedcornish's 1st and 3rd, and would happily build either one. His first 1st is reminiscent of the Porsche 550 Spyder and his third of the Ginetta G12 (I think). I love those original cars because they are classic and beautiful.

However, my hunch is that FFR want to get away from retro-inpired cars and build something unique. Everything else FFR have produced until now is based on something that has come before. I think FFR have determined that the 818 is their opportunity to go from being known as a quality retro kit car manufacturer to a quality kit manufacturer -- period. Of those three, Xabier's design accomplishes that best.

You know, I researched FFR as an alternative if I couldn't afford a Lotus Elise. If the 818 realizes its apparent potential, even if I can afford an Elise, I think I would probably buy the 818. That's for a number of reasons: the satisfaction of building a car myself, the ability to customize the car, support of an American company, and the uniqueness of the car. I think it's fantastic that in this age, with the stringent federal and state regulation of the automobile, you can still buy a car to assemble yourself. I am really looking forward to the development of this car.

I agree with tyou 100%

[crackedcornish]

Originally Posted by ScottKoschwitz
crackedcornish's top three are also my top three, with perhaps Xabier's design at the top. I really, really like crackedcornish's 1st and 3rd, and would happily build either one. His first 1st is reminiscent of the Porsche 550 Spyder and his third of the Ginetta G12 (I think). I love those original cars because they are classic and beautiful.

However, my hunch is that FFR want to get away from retro-inpired cars and build something unique. Everything else FFR have produced until now is based on something that has come before. I think FFR have determined that the 818 is their opportunity to go from being known as a quality retro kit car manufacturer to a quality kit manufacturer -- period. Of those three, Xabier's design accomplishes that best.

You know, I researched FFR as an alternative if I couldn't afford a Lotus Elise. If the 818 realizes its apparent potential, even if I can afford an Elise, I think I would probably buy the 818. That's for a number of reasons: the satisfaction of building a car myself, the ability to customize the car, support of an American company, and the uniqueness of the car. I think it's fantastic that in this age, with the stringent federal and state regulation of the automobile, you can still buy a car to assemble yourself. I am really looking forward to the development of this car.


I agree with tyou 100%

are you guys forgetting about the GTM? I think FF has done pretty well doing retro inspired reproductions for the last 15 years ;)

[mske390]

FFR judges had to take into more considerations than we could possibly imagine. Just because they may have liked a design, doesn't mean that they would realistically be able to produce it.

Agreed but what puzzles me is as I view the winning cars lines and start thinking like a manufacturing engineer, can this body be molded within the budget? I really really liked the submission that looked like a De Mataso Pantera and Dave commented “This third design is the favorite of Grassroots Motorsports editor Tim Suddard. The car has modernized Pantera-esque lines and is probably a bit more expensive to manufacture, but I loved it so much, I had to put it up.”

Can't quite figure out how to add a picture but if you view the two is the Pantera one really going to more expensive to manufacture than the winner? Of course, I'm looking at the body and maybe it just doesn't mate to the frame or fit within frames dimensions? I still think that the winner will be difficult to manufacture as it seems that there's a lot going on with the lines.

[keys2heaven]

There is so much more that needs to be done before we see the finished products. What is nice is that Dave has already stated at least 3 body styles. I think they have sooo much to pull from and there are a lot of similarities in the designs. I imagine that they'll probably pull a few (maybe even 20) designs for each body style that they want to produce and turn those over to RISD (I assume this means Rhode Island School of Design). Then, a comprehensive clay model will be produced and tweaked until it meets requirements of looks, functionality and price.

And no matter how many times it's been stressed it's been pretty hard convincing some that the winning design is not the final product(s).

[mske390]

To answer this threads question, my votes would go:

#1 Keith Kauchner - Week 11 Honorable Mention

#2 818 Carrera Coupe by Cayeya (Adrian)

#3 Ernesto Freitas Submission

[Oppenheimer]

There is so much more that needs to be done before we see the finished products. What is nice is that Dave has already stated at least 3 body styles. I think they have sooo much to pull from and there are a lot of similarities in the designs. I imagine that they'll probably pull a few (maybe even 20) designs for each body style that they want to produce and turn those over to RISD (I assume this means Rhode Island School of Design). Then, a comprehensive clay model will be produced and tweaked until it meets requirements of looks, functionality and price.

And no matter how many times it's been stressed it's been pretty hard convincing some that the winning design is not the final product(s).

Yes, agree complelty, though its easy to see why some would assume contest winner = FFR 818. I think in time that message will sink in.

I think you are on to something with the plan of attack. If they pick a bunch of the best submissions and have the designers at RISD take the best of each, and tweak as needed, they could really end up with something. I could see how that process could really go awry, but I feel if managed well it would turn out very well. I hope this, or something like it, is the process they use.

[olpro]

I am afraid that you are vastly overestimating the ability of design students at RISD to take this project toward completion.
First of all, many of the entrants and ALL of the award winners are professionally well beyond the RISD kids already (in the automotive design area). I think it would be a great assignment for them, as a learning experience but don't assume these students are up to this important task. I personally think that is the plan (a great learning assignment, not a serious part of the product development process).
... And you don't do development models in 1/10 scale clay in any case.

... and just realizing I have not posted since the announcements... CONGRATULATIONS to all, the entrants, the winners, the judges and especially the sponsors.

[D2W]

My assumption, I could be totally wrong, is the students at RISD will take the designs and model them to actually fit the intended chassis. A lot of these designs won't look good when the proportions are changed to fit. Could have a lot to do with what actually gets built. It would be interesting to know how many designs are going to be modeled in clay. I'm guessing a lot more than the top three.

[Rotr8]

My assumption is that its cheap to use the students,

[ScottKoschwitz]

crackedcornish, I realized a couple of hours after my post that I overlooked the GTM. Fair point. Let me say then that the 818 is FFR's opportunity to become known as a quality kit car manufacturer to a much larger customer base, both in terms of price and geography.

[Oppenheimer]

I am afraid that you are vastly overestimating the ability of design students at RISD to take this project toward completion.
First of all, many of the entrants and ALL of the award winners are professionally well beyond the RISD kids already (in the automotive design area). I think it would be a great assignment for them, as a learning experience but don't assume these students are up to this important task. I personally think that is the plan (a great learning assignment, not a serious part of the product development process).

Yes, good point. But I'm confident FFR will put out a good looking design (um, designs, 3 planned). So I guess I'm assumming FFR will let RISD do some legwork, but they will step in at some point to make sure the end result is appealing.

[Wayne Presley]

My picks are:

1 I really like the short windscreen and it would look just as great without the wing.
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s147/crackedcornish/96f20536.jpg

2
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s147/crackedcornish/e7dec789.jpg

3
http://www.factoryfive.com/whatsnew/update/nextcar/images/thumbs/jeffteague.jpg

[Niburu]

though I like the third pic (that was Jims fav too apparently)
it's completely unrealistic, especially the wheels with the gianormous brake rotors
it would also have to be GTM size to fit anyone into it

[Wayne Presley]

though I like the third pic (that was Jims fav too apparently)
it's completely unrealistic, especially the wheels with the gianormous brake rotors
it would also have to be GTM size to fit anyone into it

But imagine building it as a single seat track car....

[Niburu]

But imagine building it as a single seat track car....

they'd sell about 5 of them

[Idesign]

This one is hot!

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3109/5833192606_8408db1fcb_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/93237716@N00/5833192606/)

[VTX]

#1 for me is still Marrio Morra's, by far. I just love that design.

http://www.factoryfive.com/whatsnew/update/nextcar/images/thumbs/mariomorra.jpg

#2 Xabier

http://www.factoryfive.com/whatsnew/update/nextcar/images/thumbs/xabieralbizu2.jpg

#3 Toss up between Davy Phosavanh

http://www.factoryfive.com/whatsnew/update/nextcar/images/thumbs/DavyPhosavanh.jpg

and Dominic Agoro

http://www.factoryfive.com/whatsnew/update/nextcar/images/thumbs/dominicagoro2.jpg

I'm not crazy about some of the winners, but I think the judging overall was pretty good. Even so, I think every one of the winners has some amazing talent.

I saw some new renders of the winning design and I'm liking it better now.

I think FFR will do a good job with the final design. Can't wait to see what it looks like. Just small details here or there could really make a big difference IMHO.

[crackedcornish]

#1 for me is still Marrio Morra's, by far. I just love that design.

#2 Xabier

#3 Toss up between Davy Phosavanh and Dominic Agoro

I'm not crazy about some of the winners, but I think the judging overall was pretty good. Even so, I think every one of the winners has some amazing talent.

I saw some new renders of the winning design and I'm liking it better now.

I think FFR will do a good job with the final design. Can't wait to see what it looks like. Just small details here or there could really make a big difference IMHO.

can you add some pics to go with your list?..I don't think I'm familiar with a couple of those names

[VTX]

Sure, I'll get the post edited.

[crackedcornish]

Sure, I'll get the post edited.

thanks

I had seen those cars before...just didn't equate the cars to the names

[Oppenheimer]

This one is hot!

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3109/5833192606_8408db1fcb_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/93237716@N00/5833192606/)

I like it (much better than the winner). Looks like NSX meets Mustang.

[Flamshackle]

I am SUPER excited about the POTENTIAL awesome looks of the car and *WILL be purchasing one of these cars! I have driven Subarus and raced Subarus for the last 10 years and think its a great donor engine option.

Here is the problem...

*When I say I WILL be purchasing one of these kits. I mean if it looks anything like one of the kits below in MY top three.

I like most of the top designs that won awards but the #1 car by Nouphone Bansasi definitely would not make my top 5.

#1
2308
#2
2309
#3
2310

SO DEAR DAVE! FROM A BUYERS PERSPECTIVE AND FOR THE LOVE OF CARS PLEASE BUILD ONE OF THESE MAGNIFICENT VEHICLES

(also make a hard top of some sort no one likes getting wet ;) )

So lets hear from other potential buyers what they would like seen made. I think we would be the more valid judges of this no :confused:

[olpro]

IF Factory Five is having little clay models made up it sounds like a step backward, to revisit the selection process - rather than do a “development” model which moves the design ahead to the next step.
Nothing wrong with this because one wants to be sure about the selection, before committing months of development to an idea that ultimately isn’t right.
The first and second place entries are in a cad format, and FFR can obviously get the iges file for Solid Works to bring them up and review them from any possible angle (on screen). The third place car is not a digital model… so if Dave wants an apples to apples comparison - they will have to redo the nonconforming design(s) to make all three comparable. That means do them all in clay (?) or cad-model up Xabier’s design like the other two.
I would guess that with the connection to RISD, the clay route may seem more logical to Dave. The Solid Works people are good at cad but that is not the right software for complex automotive surfaces and they would be hard pressed to do a good job quickly. They would be able to NC mill the first two in clay from the math models.
The first place model looks like a quick and dirty cad model to me, with very marginal surfacing that will not hold up to close scrutiny. The second place model looks to be relatively professional (albeit a little dumpy) other than some rough detail areas. It also looks like it can be put on package accurately.
I am also assuming that “doing three bodies” probably means three versions of the same basic look. In any case, you have to start with ONE and let it lead the way.
I also suspect that one of the entries, which I might have favored, could have been eliminated because of irresolvable conflict-of-interest issues?

[kitcarj]

1) Why do some people (including the judges) prefer the Rodney Olmos design to Mario Morra's? The back of Rodney's design might be better but I think the front of Mario's design is a home run. And to me the front is way more important anyway.

2) Why didn't more people like Mike Palota's designs more? A few of them look a little Ferrari like (especially all in red) but several of the others still look very exotic. Some of my favorites below include the front one with silver trim and the one toward the back on the left with arrow pointing to it. The computer rendering isn't as polished as some of the winners but the design seems better to me. I thought the design was the important thing not how perfect the picture is. (I realize some of these might be harder to hit budget with)

I do understand the excitement about Xabier's race version.
And at least Romain Ferrand's design is a stunner. A little more speed racer than my taste but it's hard to get more unique but simple than that.

I don't know if Porsche would have let them get away with that Carrera design. Too much like an updated 550.

[Benji]

I also suspect that one of the entries, which I might have favored, could have been eliminated because of irresolvable conflict-of-interest issues?

Which was that and why do you suspect this?

[olpro]

The creator of one of the strongest late entries had done some design work for RCR. I presume that to enter, he may have had to disclose that relationship and it is possible FFR had to disqualify him. I have no direct info on this however so I really don't know the situation.

[crackedcornish]

1) Why do some people (including the judges) prefer the Rodney Olmos design to Mario Morra's? The back of Rodney's design might be better but I think the front of Mario's design is a home run. And to me the front is way more important anyway.

2) Why didn't more people like Mike Palota's designs more? A few of them look a little Ferrari like (especially all in red) but several of the others still look very exotic. Some of my favorites below include the front one with silver trim and the one toward the back on the left with arrow pointing to it. The computer rendering isn't as polished as some of the winners but the design seems better to me. I thought the design was the important thing not how perfect the picture is. (I realize some of these might be harder to hit budget with)

I do understand the excitement about Xabier's race version.
And at least Romain Ferrand's design is a stunner. A little more speed racer than my taste but it's hard to get more unique but simple than that.

I don't know if Porsche would have let them get away with that Carrera design. Too much like an updated 550.

they let at least a couple of companies build 'em already :)
http://www.vintagespyders.com/
http://www.beckspeedster.com/beckspyder550inventory.html

[Benji]

The creator of one of the strongest late entries had done some design work for RCR. I presume that to enter, he may have had to disclose that relationship and it is possible FFR had to disqualify him. I have no direct info on this however so I really don't know the situation.

So Zukun then, I do recall something about Zukun on here now but I can't remember his design.

To be honest unless Zukun was contractually bound I don't see why it would be an issue?

[VTX]

1) Why do some people (including the judges) prefer the Rodney Olmos design to Mario Morra's? The back of Rodney's design might be better but I think the front of Mario's design is a home run. And to me the front is way more important anyway.



I completely agree on that point. Mario's front is just perfect IMO. I also agree that the rear end is the weak point of his design, but it isn't bad and could easily be tweaked to match the killer front end. Overall, it's still my favorite design.

[D2W]

1) Why do some people (including the judges) prefer the Rodney Olmos design to Mario Morra's? The back of Rodney's design might be better but I think the front of Mario's design is a home run.

I guess I'm on the judges side with this one. I found Mario's design rather bland, didn't really care for any aspect of it. Rodney's design had (to me) great visual impact. Nice combination of hard edges and flowing lines. I agree the front needs some development, but overall a lot of potential.

I also think the Carrera 818 while nice looking, looks way to much like something that would come out of Stuttgart.

[crackedcornish]

I guess I'm on the judges side with this one. I found Mario's design rather bland, didn't really care for any aspect of it. Rodney's design had (to me) great visual impact. Nice combination of hard edges and flowing lines. I agree the front needs some development, but overall a lot of potential.

I also think the Carrera 818 while nice looking, looks way to much like something that would come out of Stuttgart.

what's wrong with that?

After the C@br@, I can't think of any more beautifully bodied car than a 550 Spyder, and I think the Carrera 818 only improves on the original design. And to top it all off, it is a pretty simple body to recreate in fiberglass:)

[slopoke]

It just needs some sort of vents in the hood and on or behind the front fenders ... easily done ... probably would make it look even more agressive. H*** , it's aready a work of art. I'm in for at least one.

[olpro]

I too love the 550 but the Carrera 818 design is way too cheated to work with a legitimate Factory Five package, even if they don't place the seat over the tank. I would have eliminated it immediately on that basis.

[crackedcornish]

I too love the 550 but the Carrera 818 design is way too cheated to work with a legitimate Factory Five package, even if they don't place the seat over the tank. I would have eliminated it immediately on that basis.

so what would your picks had been if you were judging? Which is after all, the point of this thread :)

[blueafro]

So Zukun then, I do recall something about Zukun on here now but I can't remember his design.

SW1


To be honest unless Zukun was contractually bound I don't see why it would be an issue?

Nor I.

[olpro]

so what would your picks had been if you were judging? Which is after all, the point of this thread :)

- I would do a preliminary sort, eliminating any design which clearly has taken such liberties with the package as to make it irrelevant (a little deviation is permissible as long as it merely “stretches’ the criteria rather than totally ignoring reality). For this, it is necessary to have good side views of the proposals and a way of comparing them to the package – maybe a transparent overlay or something.
- Second, I would sort out any design which I felt was more or less a blatant copy of an existing vehicle. I would insist on originality being a key factor.
- Third, I would look for fresh and contemporary thinking in the design. If a design looks like it could have been on the road ten years ago, it would be toast.
- Beauty and excitement are the next filters. I would want the designs to be drop-dead gorgeous as well as very dynamic.
- I would screen according to FFR’s stated goals for this vehicle– as well as their actual brand image. This means it should look like FFR (whatever that is. It would be important to first talk to the people there) and NOT some other brand. It should be consistent with FFR as a company (bold, direct, high performance, whatever).

Design is a visual LANGUAGE and the design should communicate the right values, spirit, personality, etc.

This is what would, imho, be the criteria for the THREE top money awards, as well as consideration for the actual production choice. The special awards are another matter and totally up to the individuals making those choices.
I hesitate to make personal selections here on this thread because I do not have access to the materials that the judges worked from.
I assume that they did their jobs well and had good reasons for all their choices.

[D2W]

what's wrong with that?

After the C@br@, I can't think of any more beautifully bodied car than a 550 Spyder, and I think the Carrera 818 only improves on the original design. And to top it all off, it is a pretty simple body to recreate in fiberglass:)

Personally I would rather see something fresh and original. Not a car that could be mistaken for a hot rodded boxster.

[crackedcornish]

- I would do a preliminary sort, eliminating any design which clearly has taken such liberties with the package as to make it irrelevant (a little deviation is permissible as long as it merely “stretches’ the criteria rather than totally ignoring reality). For this, it is necessary to have good side views of the proposals and a way of comparing them to the package – maybe a transparent overlay or something.
- Second, I would sort out any design which I felt was more or less a blatant copy of an existing vehicle. I would insist on originality being a key factor.
- Third, I would look for fresh and contemporary thinking in the design. If a design looks like it could have been on the road ten years ago, it would be toast.
- Beauty and excitement are the next filters. I would want the designs to be drop-dead gorgeous as well as very dynamic.
- I would screen according to FFR’s stated goals for this vehicle– as well as their actual brand image. This means it should look like FFR (whatever that is. It would be important to first talk to the people there) and NOT some other brand. It should be consistent with FFR as a company (bold, direct, high performance, whatever).

Design is a visual LANGUAGE and the design should communicate the right values, spirit, personality, etc.

This is what would, imho, be the criteria for the THREE top money awards, as well as consideration for the actual production choice. The special awards are another matter and totally up to the individuals making those choices.
I hesitate to make personal selections here on this thread because I do not have access to the materials that the judges worked from.
I assume that they did their jobs well and had good reasons for all their choices.

nobody but the judges had the info...

stop copping out and show us your pics from the cars we all saw here or on grassroots

[crackedcornish]

Personally I would rather see something fresh and original. Not a car that could be mistaken for a hot rodded boxster.

I didn't see your picks either...what would they be?

c'mon guys get into the spirit of the thread...it doesn't cost anything to show which ones you liked

[olpro]

nobody but the judges had the info...

stop copping out and show us your pics from the cars we all saw here or on grassroots

Not copping out, just choosing not to run around second guessing the judges.

[keys2heaven]

1) Why do some people (including the judges) prefer the Rodney Olmos design to Mario Morra's? The back of Rodney's design might be better but I think the front of Mario's design is a home run. And to me the front is way more important anyway.


Granted the front of the car needs some tweaking, but the overall shape and stance is killer. Mario's just screams "I'm expensive to manufacture and build." Don't get me wrong, very nice looking but not so sure on cost.

But, I'm no car manufacturer so I can't speak adequately to that point.

What will be interesting to see is what these designs look like modeled in clay.

1. Xabier's
2. Rodney's
3. Dominic's

[ElderDragon]

This is my favorite:
http://i1111.photobucket.com/albums/h475/Elder-Dragon/REJ_Design_1C_3D_camera1.jpg

My other favorites are:
1. Seth Halpine's
2. SW1
3. Rodney's
4ish. 05xtsy, Franze (the rear mostly) and Thanos' original weekly winner.

I am really looking forward to when FFR posts the top group of submissions so we can see all the really great designs they received.

[kitcarj]

Does someone want to start a new poll??(with pictures of all the choices) They only allow 10 choices and you either have to let people select as many choices as they want or only one. I didn't see a way to pick your top 2 or 3 for instance. Maybe this would be better done after the entries are release from FF.

[kitcarj]

What would be nice is if Dave made a poll of the designs FF is most likely to build. That way, for instance, if Mario's design is too complicated to build in budget it would not be on the list. He may have his mind made up or he may not want to tip his hand yet.

[crackedcornish]

What would be nice is if Dave made a poll of the designs FF is most likely to build. That way, for instance, if Mario's design is too complicated to build in budget it would not be on the list. He may have his mind made up or he may not want to tip his hand yet.

it was said by Dave that he was going to have a thread with the majority of the 700 entries posted up for all to see...can't wait to see them all, it might even make me change my top picks :)

in the mean time, I believe if everybody posts pics of their top 3 (which appears to be pretty tough to get some people to do), we'll get a better understanding of the top 10 or 12 most popular cars

[ElderDragon]

This is my favorite:
http://i1111.photobucket.com/albums/h475/Elder-Dragon/REJ_Design_1C_3D_camera1.jpg

Among the pictures released, my favorites were:
1. Seth Halpin's
2. SW1
3. Rodney's
4ish. 05sxty, Franze (the rear end) and Thanos' early weekly winner.

I can't wait to see all the designs posted by FFR.

[bromikl]

What would be nice is if Dave made a poll of the designs FF is most likely to build. That way, for instance, if Mario's design is too complicated to build in budget it would not be on the list. He may have his mind made up or he may not want to tip his hand yet.

I don't really give a d*mn if it costs an extra grand or two to build Moria's design. If it's ever an option, I'm building it.

[D2W]

I like both Rodney's and Xabier's winning designs, i would build either of those. I also like the last design NXXN posted over at GRM on page 49, a good looking car but I would have liked to see it with a regular windshield. Arif also had a design I was partial too on page 44 I think. It was a low sleek design done in white with both a regular windshield and a low windscreen. I will try to post picures when I get a chance.

To be honest there were others I liked as well. I must say I was amazed at the talent on display, and I only got to see some of the entries. I can't wait til Dave shows us some of the others, maybe I'll have a new favorite.

[crackedcornish]

I preferred some of NXXN's earlier stuff to his last design
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http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s147/crackedcornish/2c2055ce.jpg
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s147/crackedcornish/d1b0dad7.jpg

[riptide motorsport]

the charchol one looks nice..

[D2W]

I preferred some of NNXN's earlier stuff to his last design
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http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s147/crackedcornish/2c2055ce.jpg
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s147/crackedcornish/d1b0dad7.jpg

Yes, I had forgotten about these. These were some of my early favorites.