Project 818 Design Contest Winners

[Dave Smith]

Award Winners for Factory Five-Grassroots Motorsports Contest

We are proud to announce the winners of the Factory Five Racing-Grassroots Motorsports 818 Design Competition. We would like to thank all of the entries and the judges were extremely impressed with the quality of all the submissions. We would also like to thank our partners at Grassroots Motorsports for generously sponsoring this competition.

We will be sending these awards to the recipients and we will be providing more details on our plans for the 818, specifically which designs in part or whole will become the next 818.

Thanks to everyone and congratulations to the winners.


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[Dave Smith]

Design Award Winners by Category:

1st Place Overall and $5,000 winner - Nouphone Bansasi

http://www.factoryfive.com/whatsnew/update/nextcar/images/thumbs/nouphone.jpg

http://www.factoryfive.com/whatsnew/update/nextcar/images/nouphone2.jpg

2nd Place Overall and $1,000 winner - Rodney Olmos

http://www.factoryfive.com/whatsnew/update/nextcar/images/thumbs/rodney.jpg

3rd Place Overall and $500 winner - Xabier Albizu

http://www.factoryfive.com/whatsnew/update/nextcar/images/thumbs/xabieralbizu2.jpg

Special Awards:

Grassroots Motorsports Editor's Choice - Anthony Samboer

http://www.factoryfive.com/whatsnew/update/nextcar/images/thumbs/AnthonySamboer.jpg

[Dave Smith]

Most Original/Creative - Marc Senger

http://www.factoryfive.com/whatsnew/update/nextcar/images/thumbs/marcsenger2.jpg

Hewlett-Packard Technology Award for Best Integration of Computer Technology - Davy Phomsavanh

http://www.factoryfive.com/whatsnew/update/nextcar/images/thumbs/DavyPhosavanh.jpg

SolidWorks Award for Best Integration of Computer Design -
Romain Farrands

http://www.factoryfive.com/whatsnew/update/nextcar/images/thumbs/romainferrands3.jpg

Judge's Awards:

Jeremy Luchini's Judge's Pick - Mario Morra

http://www.factoryfive.com/whatsnew/update/nextcar/images/thumbs/mariomorra.jpg

[Dave Smith]

Tim Suddard's Judge's Pick - Masayuki Kobayashi

http://www.factoryfive.com/whatsnew/update/nextcar/images/thumbs/mazayuki.jpg

Tom Salamone's Judge's Pick - Dominic Agoro

http://www.factoryfive.com/whatsnew/update/nextcar/images/thumbs/dominicagoro2.jpg

Murray Pfaff's Judge's Pick - Romain Ferrands

http://www.factoryfive.com/whatsnew/update/nextcar/images/thumbs/romainfarrands2.jpg

Michael Lye's Judge's Pick - Marc Senger

http://www.factoryfive.com/whatsnew/update/nextcar/images/thumbs/marcsenger2.jpg

[Dave Smith]

Wayne Cherry's Judge's Pick - Romain Ferrands

http://www.factoryfive.com/whatsnew/update/nextcar/images/thumbs/romainfarrands_small.jpg

Matt Humphries' Judge's Pick - Colin Bonathan

http://www.factoryfive.com/whatsnew/update/nextcar/images/thumbs/colinbonthan2.jpg

Jim Schenck's Judge's Pick - Jeff Teague

http://www.factoryfive.com/whatsnew/update/nextcar/images/thumbs/jeffteague.jpg

Jesper Ingerslev's Judge's Pick - Colin Bonathan

http://www.factoryfive.com/whatsnew/update/nextcar/images/thumbs/colinbonathan.jpg

[riptide motorsport]

very cool.........still wonder what the final rendition will be for the real world............Steven

[keys2heaven]

I still like Xabier's the best out of the top 3. They're all good, but his (and Rodney's) speak to me. :)

[Niburu]

I find it interesting the top three design would easily incorporate a targa top

[ehansen007]

I still like Xabier's the best out of the top 3. They're all good, but his (and Rodney's) speak to me. :)

+1. 26" wheels and a Jaguar/Fisker front end don't really do it for me. The good news is I'll be saving 15K! :) But congrats to all winners including 1st place. They are all awesome designs.

[Doc_FFR]

It will probably turn out to be a beautiful car, but the drawing is too abstract for me to form an opinion now. If Rodney or Xabier had won I'd be onboard in a heartbeat.

[Fifty-Two]

I think the overall winner (Nouphone's design) is phenomenal actually. It has great lines and seems to combine the feel of an upscale euro sports car with the angular aggression of a japanese supercar. Very very cool! I see hints of the Austin V8-Vantage, Honda S2000, Lexus LFA, & even the Pininfarina designed Maserati Granturismo. And, they all mesh very well together in a tight package. Again, job well done!!! :cool:

- John

[keys2heaven]

Guys, from the contest rules (#6)
Participants in the contest agree that any and all submissions may be used wholly or in part by Factory Five Racing, Inc., at its sole discretion. These submissions may also be used without limitation by Factory Five Racing, Inc., Grassroots Motorsports magazine, and designated associates, partners and affiliates for promotional purposes.

So, I read this to mean that the winning design does not necessarily mean that this is the final design. I think there has been overwhelming support in the forums (and the poll) for Xabier's design. I'm sure that FF will render a beautiful design (or designs) for the final product.

[Steve91T]

Exactly, the final design is probably going to be based off the winner's design. The end product will probably be very different.

[kach22i]

It's a handsome concept.

I know this will come up, and there is much work to do, so I'll offer this trace-over for others to comment. I centered the wheels on the hubs, kept the same wheelbase.

http://s184.photobucket.com/albums/x295/kach22i/Automobile/
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x295/kach22i/Automobile/FFR-Winner-Scale-Study.jpg

[Texan_GTM]

GREAT CHOICE!!! I love it!

[JRL]

Ugh.............put real world wheels and tires on the winner and it will look like a weiner. I see a few of the top designs making contributions to the final design but in a word I am underwhelmed.

[PrimeTime]

I really really wish that Jeff Teague design would get some more attention. That is simply a top 10 all time for most gorgeous cars for me. I think it wouldn't take too much to make it a targa top option either. It's simple yet exotic design would appeal to both american and european markets. I'd even consider doing my own fiberglass and body work over the 818 frame in order to create that masterpiece. Seriously gorgeous.

[Gun Bunny]

It will probably turn out to be a beautiful car, but the drawing is too abstract for me to form an opinion now. If Rodney or Xabier had won I'd be onboard in a heartbeat.

+1 The perspective on those shots, which is probably a fraction of the pictures actually submitted by the designer, don't really show me much.




We will be sending these awards to the recipients and we will be providing more details on our plans for the 818, specifically which [B]designs in part or whole will become the next 818.

Just because someone won, doesn't necessarily mean that's what the end product will look like. It could be that the winner is the design with the most potential, but it needs more refinement before prototyping can begin. Whereas something like Xabier's design is more production ready from the get-go, but isn't quite as groundbreaking a design (still calls to mind what a Miata could and should have been)


Guys, from the contest rules (#6)

So, I read this to mean that the winning design does not necessarily mean that this is the final design. I think there has been overwhelming support in the forums (and the poll) for Xabier's design. I'm sure that FF will render a beautiful design (or designs) for the final product.

+1 FFR has never put out anything that has ever looked bad to me. Even if the roadster isnt my cup of tea, I still agree it is a beautiful car (and yes, I know it's not exactly FFR's design) The GTM, when built well, is a stunningly beautiful and capable car, and it's why I started looking into FFR in the first place.

But that's all just one little (well-armed) bunny's opinion...

[kach22i]

It's going to take some incredible skills to make this design production ready, not that I've ever done that myself. Speaking from what I went through on a clay car design concept I built five years ago which had a shorter wheelbase and giant sized tires.

To illustrate how things can go wrong, from a fun fantasy to a humpbacked warthog (how I feel about my own scheme-1), I'll show you what I mean.

Clay Concept:
http://s184.photobucket.com/albums/x295/kach22i/Industrial%20Design/
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x295/kach22i/Industrial%20Design/A-SIDE-CLAY-CAR-flipped.jpg

Converted to template dimensions (smaller tires so and so forth):
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x295/kach22i/Industrial%20Design/GKA-Scheme1-section.jpg

Comparative profiles - to show similar challenges ahead:
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x295/kach22i/Industrial%20Design/GKA-Traceoverwinner.jpg

I am not promoting my design. I am pointing out that to make this car fit the template and be production ready, it's going to take more talent than I had when converting mine. When you size down those tires, and lower the top of the door line, it might get frustrating quickly.

I wish FFR luck, they have their work cut out for them.

[mjpeters]

Congrats to all the winners. I sure wouldn't have wanted to make the choice with all of the great entries. I look at them all and my favorite changes every time. It will be interesting to see the final design FFR comes up with.


Matt

[Colvindesign]

Congrats to the winners. I think there are some great designs here. However there are some that seem to have been chosen based on the 3D rendering instead of the actual design. Many sketches that were shared before the deadline in the forums were picked apart for their unrealistic proportions and wheel sizes. However that is what still won.

[Hiryu]

Like a few others, I was hoping for a less abstract idea of what the final product might be (since we probably won't get another idea for a few months). It looks like the exaggerated sketches won out. :). I wish they accepted videos along with bitmaps. :(

Does anybody have more information on the design that won the best integration of computer technology? I see something about ABS, but that's it-

Again, congrats to all, and thanks to the powers that be for the great and entertaining contest.

Mike

[riptide motorsport]

It will have to be real world attractive, the winner is too futuristic./conceptual, exstcy's and teagues' and morras' are real world attractive and realistic, I wouldn't drive the winner, looks like it came from a Sly Stallone futuristic movie..........hence not doable for me. Teague's actually looks like a evolution of a Lambo,, the other 2 are just plain attractive.....Steven

[Reload]

Abstract sketches win ID contests all the time, and that really bothers me because...... Each sketch is exaggerated to promote itself!! And these sketches lack detail allowing your imagination to see what you want to see! With a real 3D model, you get reality. This winning entry has three sketches that while similar looking are actually three different car designs. The left middle image has the wheels at a 10+ degree angle relative to the ground. No real car will ever be like this. The bottom image has an extremely short front overhang. Whereas, the top right image has a much longer, sleek, less abrupt front nose. Don't get me wrong, all these images are great, but they cannot map to the same shape in real life.

In contrast, 2nd place winner Olmos doesn't have the luxury of cheating his perspectives to make them look really wow. His model is the real deal, a real physical representation of space. He can maybe play with camera focus and distance. But every image of the car is a real perspective of the actual car. For that reason, I admire his design far more than the 1st place winner.


I think the overall winner (Nouphone's design) is phenomenal actually. It has great lines and seems to combine the feel of an upscale euro sports car with the angular aggression of a japanese supercar. Very very cool! I see hints of the Austin V8-Vantage, Honda S2000, Lexus LFA, & even the Pininfarina designed Maserati Granturismo. And, they all mesh very well together in a tight package. Again, job well done!!! :cool:

- John

[05xtsy]

Congrats to the winners. I would have loved to be a part of that group, but it is what it is. Btw the winner also had 3D renders, I wonder why they didn't show them. His name was cr8tr I believe.

[speedboy]

Better renders of the winner

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showthread.php?2083-One-Hot-Ride-818-Submission

[PrimeTime]

anyone else think the xabier design looks like a catfish?

[keys2heaven]

Crap, that was Cr8tr's design!

[wjfawb0]

To me 1st place isn't in the same league as 2nd and 3rd. 2nd and 3rd look like real cars I would build.

[Reload]

Glad to see the judges based on 3D renders after all!! Congrats Cr8tr!

Your design to me is kind of like if a Lotus and a Lexus SC430 had a baby. I was a bit put off by your teasers and your "One Hot Ride" claim, but apparently the judges agreed so I guess you knew what you were doing. Your design isn't my cup of tea, a bit too feminine, and has a fishy look to me. But since you won 1st and Xabier's won 3rd, that must be the new trending style. Congrats again!

[Doc_FFR]

Better renders of the winner

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showthread.php?2083-One-Hot-Ride-818-Submission

So I checked out the other pics and I'm still not convinced. I'll probably lurk the forums until the prototype is finished.

[Vman7]

This is why I really didn't want to get involved in this contest, I kind of knew from day 1, that if didn't do your design in 3D modeling of some sort you didn't have a change in hell of winning. Must be nice to be able to afford expensive software.

I wouldn't be surprised if some of these winners are pros.

[keys2heaven]

And I'd be surprised if some were not. Why does it matter? The contest was open to everyone.

[Vman7]

And I'd be surprised if some were not. Why does it matter? The contest was open to everyone.

If you don't like my opinion, that's your problem, not mine, it's just an opinion.

Just because somebody is a pro, doesn't mean there design is any good.

[VTX]

This is why I really didn't want to get involved in this contest, I kind of knew from day 1, that if didn't do your design in 3D modeling of some sort you didn't have a change in hell of winning. Must be nice to be able to afford expensive software.

I wouldn't be surprised if some of these winners are pros.

Huh? The 1st place winner isn't a 3D render.

That being said, IMHO the 3D renders SHOULD be the winning designs. I'm going to have to echo what some other people said that 2D drawings just give a very false and unrealistic sense of what an actual car will look like. It's too easy to cheat different views to make different angles look good. Not to mention the fact that almost all the 2D drawings, for some reason, tend to make the wheels look HUGE with gaudy looking wheels. I'm not sure why that is, but I hate that look.

I'm not saying the 1st place design is a bad one, but I am reserving judgement until we see an actual 3D render of what the final car will look like because I think at this point that 2D drawing is just too unrealistic to know.

Personally, I still think Mario Morra's design is the best one by far.

I also think the one that won the HP Technology award is really nice looking and I would really like to see some other views.

[riptide motorsport]

Interesting...I don't like cr8tr's rendering here ( at the top) but in the link that was posted I was the first to say I liked it and would build it,,,,,interesting how diferent angles/3d modeling changes your perspectives.....Steven

[armstrom]

the full 3d renders are much better than the concept drawings. I think it will look very good once we see the final product in fiberglass. Are there other designs I liked better? sure, but I'm not mad at the choice the judges made. I would probably still be a buyer if I decide a kit car is right for me. Congrats to all the winners!

[Vman7]

Huh? The 1st place winner isn't a 3D render.

That being said, IMHO the 3D renders SHOULD be the winning designs. I'm going to have to echo what some other people said that 2D drawings just give a very false and unrealistic sense of what an actual car will look like. It's too easy to cheat different views to make different angles look good. Not to mention the fact that almost all the 2D drawings, for some reason, tend to make the wheels look HUGE with gaudy looking wheels. I'm not sure why that is, but I hate that look.

I'm not saying the 1st place design is a bad one, but I am reserving judgement until we see an actual 3D render of what the final car will look like because I think at this point that 2D drawing is just too unrealistic to know.

Personally, I still think Mario Morra's design is the best one by far.

I also think the one that won the HP Technology award is really nice looking and I would really like to see some other views.

Just because it's a side, front or rear view doesn't mean it's a 2D drawing. Do understand what a 3D perspective is?

[Bluewinters21]

This is why I really didn't want to get involved in this contest, I kind of knew from day 1, that if didn't do your design in 3D modeling of some sort you didn't have a change in hell of winning. Must be nice to be able to afford expensive software.

I wouldn't be surprised if some of these winners are pros.

I can’t stress this enough… There are good 3D packages that are FREE!!! I have mentioned this before. My submission (even thought I came nowhere near close to winning) was done on an old free 3D software sweet. Here is a shot from Blender. It’s open source and free. And that’s one of MANY. Do a Google search for free 3D packages. Look at Wiki perhaps. But please stop complaining about farness when all you have to do is put forth a little effort and you will be on the same playing field as everyone else!
2282

[VTX]

Just because it's a side, front or rear view doesn't mean it's a 2D drawing. Do understand what a 3D perspective is?
The picture at the top sure looks like a drawing to me and not a 3D render. I use Solidworks for a living, so I am well aware of what 3D perspective is.

[Vman7]

I can’t stress this enough… There are good 3D packages that are FREE!!! I have mentioned this before. My submission (even thought I came nowhere near close to winning) was done on an old free 3D software sweet. Here is a shot from Blender. It’s open source and free. And that’s one of MANY. Do a Google search for free 3D packages. Look at Wiki perhaps. But please stop complaining about farness when all you have to do is put forth a little effort and you will be on the same playing field as everyone else!
2282

yeah, yeah, I know I have tried Blender, didn't like it.

[Vman7]

Now your changing your story. I understand perfectly what 3D perspective is. I use Solidworks every day for a living.

Happy for you, can you draw something by hand (old school) or are you totally depend of software, and I don't think you do know what a 3D perspective is. And no I am not changing my story, you are. enough already!

[thebeerbaron]

aw, come on guys, play nice. Go have a beer or something. Always makes me a happier baron!

[Bluewinters21]

The picture at the top sure looks like a drawing to me and not a 3D render. I use Solidworks for a living, so I am well aware of what 3D perspective is.

Everyone is referring to these pics. http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showthread.php?2083-One-Hot-Ride-818-Submission

[VTX]

Everyone is referring to these pics. http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showt...818-Submission

Huh, I just get a 404 error.

[Bluewinters21]

Huh, I just get a 404 error.
Sorry, my bad. Try again.

[VTX]

Sorry, my bad. Try again.

Ok, I see it now. I had no idea we were talking about these. I guess when the first post says 1st place winner with a drawing underneath it I thought it was safe to assume that's what we were talking about.

[Doc_FFR]

http://photo.netcarshow.com/Maserati-GranTurismo_MC_Stradale_2012_photo_05.jpg
http://photo.netcarshow.com/Maserati-GranTurismo_MC_Stradale_2012_photo_06.jpg
http://photo.netcarshow.com/Maserati-GranTurismo_MC_Stradale_2012_photo_0c.jpg
http://photo.netcarshow.com/Maserati-GranTurismo_MC_Stradale_2012_photo_12.jpg
Looks to me like a roadster version of the Maserati GranTurismo MC Stradale. If you can massage the final version to look more like this then you have a winner.

[Ks2]

Better renders of the winner

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showthread.php?2083-One-Hot-Ride-818-Submission

wow, i wish they had put the 3d rendered versions instead of the sketches those look amazing

[WIS89]

I for one, cannot wait to see the final design from FFR! There were some AMAZING designs brought in, and some very tough choices that have to be made! I think everyone that contributed has done an terrific job, and is to be congratulated. I feel certain that we will see many different designs utilized by FFR to create the final product. I have great confidence that the final product will be one hell of a car, and I hope I will be able to figure out how to get myself one! My gut tells me it will simply be a thing of beauty. Good luck FFR making the final design choices, and integrating them into a coherent and functional piece of hardware!

I know there are some folks that are picking at things, which of course is OK. I just feel like FFR is going to make some tough, but good choices as they finish the details of this new design. I also feel like they got some great inspiration from the myriad designs that came in. Great work to all, and good luck putting the finishing touches in this project. I will watch anxiously!

Damn, I can't wait to see it ready to roll! Good luck you all, and I know it is going to be a work of art.

Regards,

Steve

[Oppenheimer]

I for one, cannot wait to see the final design from FFR! There were some AMAZING designs brought in, and some very tough choices that have to be made! I think everyone that contributed has done an terrific job, and is to be congratulated. I feel certain that we will see many different designs utilized by FFR to create the final product. I have great confidence that the final product will be one hell of a car, and I hope I will be able to figure out how to get myself one! My gut tells me it will simply be a thing of beauty. Good luck FFR making the final design choices, and integrating them into a coherent and functional piece of hardware!

I know there are some folks that are picking at things, which of course is OK. I just feel like FFR is going to make some tough, but good choices as they finish the details of this new design. I also feel like they got some great inspiration from the myriad designs that came in. Great work to all, and good luck putting the finishing touches in this project. I will watch anxiously!

Damn, I can't wait to see it ready to roll! Good luck you all, and I know it is going to be a work of art.

Regards,

Steve

Right. Contest winners not= 818.

If you don't like the contest winners, not to fret. The 818 is not going to just be one of the winners verbatim. Whatever FFR does, I'm also confident it will be great (and they are apparently doing 3 bodies, so chances are you'll like one of 'em).

[kitcarj]

I don't know. I really thought that when the winner was announced I would start drooling and selling my children so I could afford it by the time the car comes out.
If I manage to build a car I will only have one shot at it. The first place car is well done, nice and refined but I think it looks like a Toyota Solara with a side inlet added. If I am going to put my heart, sweat and hard earned money into building a car I want it to be as incredible as possible.
I am still hoping they have some surprises up there sleeves before they reveal the final car. For now I think I would rather build a FF 427(There have been 1000's built but it still says WOW going down the street) or a Sterling Roadster or ??? whatever kits you can still get now that the economy has made a mess out of the kitcar industry.
I suppose the 818 could be the next Bradley GT or a big miss.:(
The result is so anti-climatic that I almost feel sad.
For anyone wondering I didn't think my design would even get mentioned unless I submitted on a week with weak entrants, so that isn't why I am sad.

[keys2heaven]

If you don't like my opinion, that's your problem, not mine, it's just an opinion.

Just because somebody is a pro, doesn't mean there design is any good.

Dude, chill. You're coming off sounding somewhat like a sore loser.

Furthermore, I never stated I didn't like your opinion. You need to remember that this was an open design competition and, therefore, I would expect professional designers to be involved.

Reread what I wrote, I think you'll see that it wasn't meant derogatory towards you.

[keys2heaven]

aw, come on guys, play nice. Go have a beer or something. Always makes me a happier baron!

Just finished a Founder's Double Trouble....pretty darn good.

[xabier]

Thanks everybody for your kind words on my design, and of course thanks a lot to Factory Five for this great contest, it has been really nice. I really didn´t expect to be third, knowing there were over 700 submissions... but it has been a great new! now I will, as all of you, anxiously wait to see how this ends and hope the car looks great in the end, no matter what design they base it on, although I would love to see my design applied someway, that would be the greatest news of all!!

Xabier

[Someday I Suppose]

So am I the only one who thought it was the eight one eight, and not the eight eighteen???

[Steve91T]

So am I the only one who thought it was the eight one eight, and not the eight eighteen???

Ha, I thought the same thing...

[Senger]

Just want to thank Factory Five for a great competition and open house. It was thrilling to witness the 818 in person. Up close, there is no doubting the quality craftsmanship of the 818 frame. Can't wait to see how the chosen design translates to the real world. Time to get out the popcorn.

Nouphone, a big congratulations. You have a well-restrained design, and I love the "boomerang" tail light graphics on your 3D model. Rodney, such an awesomely aggressive pitbull of a car. Loads of personality. And Xabier, I echo the sentiment of many others when I say that your challenge car version would be the first one I'd build. Anthony, the low cut windscreen and classic surfaces are timeless and elegant. Great job! Davy, nice surface detail! I like the layering and how your dark colorways peek from under the red body. Mario, the oversized intakes and muscular volumes really communicate power nicely. Mazayuki, yours was the most refreshing approach to me. You took a risk and it paid off. Dominic, incredible resolution and smart use of carryover lighting. Your 3D skill is incredible. Romain, love the drama of the triangulated graphics and snorkel. Lovin those wheels, too. Colin, such a mature design and wonderfully juicy sketches. Jeff, yours looks more than track-ready. I like the sweeping line below the beltline. An insipring effort by so many.

And receiving zero awards would have been no suprise to me, so two was a huge suprise! Humbled to be in such impressive company. Dave, please use discretion if you plan to publicize my video design summary. I'm not the greatest impromptu presenter, haha. But seriously, use it as you wish, even though it's just one big outtake :) Great to finally meet you and some of the team. Cheers to you all!

[kach22i]

Thanks to the bump in another thread, I have a new side view. Yes it is a bit different than the sketch, but you can see an evolution of the design as it is tweaked.

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x295/kach22i/Automobile/FFR-Winner-Scale-two-study.jpg

Taken from here:
http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showthread.php?2083-One-Hot-Ride-818-Submission

The more I look at it, the more I think it can be made to work.

[2KWIK4U]

Interesting...I don't like cr8tr's rendering here ( at the top) but in the link that was posted I was the first to say I liked it and would build it,,,,,interesting how diferent angles/3d modeling changes your perspectives.....Steven

I change my mind on what I like all the time, must just be your mood at the time.:) With that said I like the 1st and 3rd designs a lot but we will have to wait and see what the prototype is like I guess.

[RodneyO]

Hi Everyone, I just wanted to express my gratitude, first to Factory Five for engaging with the community and allowing casual folks to participate on the creation of their new project, this speaks volume for the type of company they are and for the relationship they have with their customers. I also want to thank everyone else for their kind comments towards my design I didn't expect to win anything specially with 700+ entries so I'm thankful, but I do want to express how fun it was as an artist to design a car.

This design contest has introduce me to something I did not know much about, Kit cars. I've always been aware of the Cobra and the 65 it is one of those designs that just hits a chord if you are into cars. Over this last 3 weeks I've gotten so excited about the possibilities and what Factory Five seems to be aiming to do, an affordable racing machine whether is for street or some serious racing on the track. I think the new kit from Factory Five will be amazing specially based on their current record of legends.

The fact, again that they are approaching this with their community is amazing, I believe that the designs submitted by everyone as a whole have important elements that communicate to them perhaps what potential builders would like to see. I see this as a first step towards learning what your audience might like, I think that the winners are not going to be final creations but are a stepping stone to what they might be aiming for. At my employment I work with a kids property and the community feedback is so appreciated, specially when we create new content, I believe what is happening now here with this community is very important to FF.

Just like some of the comments on this forum, when this design comes out I want drool over it!! I think that FF really appreciates the feedback we give to them, hell how often is it that you see the President talking directly in the forums, that is cool as hell. Moving forward I want to help as much as I can, the design I've submitted is far from perfect and I will keep tweaking it on the side until it tries to reach for that. In the same token and if time allows I will try and build Xavier's car in 3d or any other design people would like to see in 3d, all in the goal of doing my part in the community for FF.

Again thanks everyone and sorry for the long post :)

cheers everyone and congrats to all the winners and participants!!!

p.s. the comments of my design saying that an MK4 ate a Camaro made me smile, that was not the intent. But Joke a side that thought has been lurking on my head, I started tweaking my current design to resemble an MK4 just for fun, I will post it up as soon as I have something ready.

[keys2heaven]

p.s. the comments of my design saying that an MK4 ate a Camaro made me smile, that was not the intent. But Joke a side that thought has been lurking on my head, I started tweaking my current design to resemble an MK4 just for fun, I will post it up as soon as I have something ready.

Hey Rodney....yeah, that was me. Glad it made you smile. First thing that came to mind when looking at your design, which is AWESOME by the way! I absolutely LOVE the stance of it.

[Niburu]

So am I the only one who thought it was the eight one eight, and not the eight eighteen???


Ha, I thought the same thing...
this may require a new thread, so everyone doesn't start using the Smith mispronunciation

[Vman7]

I can’t stress this enough… There are good 3D packages that are FREE!!! I have mentioned this before. My submission (even thought I came nowhere near close to winning) was done on an old free 3D software sweet. Here is a shot from Blender. It’s open source and free. And that’s one of MANY. Do a Google search for free 3D packages. Look at Wiki perhaps. But please stop complaining about farness when all you have to do is put forth a little effort and you will be on the same playing field as everyone else!
2282

As to your advice I went and checked out Blender again, I tried it back in 2008 ver. 2.47. I think I might give it another try. I am not real patient when it comes to learn 3D software, I like to draw and design more then spend my time learning the software. Heck I have been using Photoshop for over 10yr.s and I am lucky if I understand a 100th of it........lol I am old school in graphics, drafting, 3D perspective stuff. I understand how to do all of it, I just struggle with the software learning.

[Bluewinters21]

Vman7,
I feel ya’ on all that. I started on Lightwave and hated it so much that I gave up. I started to thinking that 3D software wasn’t worth my time. It really is all about finding what works best for you. Remember, you only have twenty-four hours in a day. Use them wisely! ;)

[mske390]

Congrats to the winners and all who entered a design, there was some amazing work posted. Winning design is better than anything that I could have put together but not something that appeals to me to build/own. Still curious to see what actual car looks like, maybe it'll change my mind.

[bromikl]

I'd take any of the Judges' Choice winners over First Place. Sorry, Cr8tr. The design just doesn't do it for me. I'll wait for the next available body style.

[jmac]

Hey Dave,

Any chance we could see the rest of the entries? Congratulations to Cr8tr! I can't wait to see the final product and maybe add it to my stable ;)


John MacDonald

Bedford, NH

[Steve91T]

Hey Dave,

Any chance we could see the rest of the entries? Congratulations to Cr8tr! I can't wait to see the final product and maybe add it to my stable ;)


John MacDonald

Bedford, NH

He said in another post that FFR will be posting the majority of the entries.

Steve

[Mad Dog]

Hi Guys,

Here's another view of the winner's entry:

http://www.factoryfive.com/whatsnew/update/nextcar/images/nouphone2.jpg

[Mad Dog]

And a few more:

http://www.factoryfive.com/whatsnew/update/nextcar/images/nouphone3.jpg

http://www.factoryfive.com/whatsnew/update/nextcar/images/nouphone4.jpg

http://www.factoryfive.com/whatsnew/update/nextcar/images/nouphone5.jpg

[ScoobySnack818]

Its amazing what a little computer rendering will do for presenting your work. Assuming these views were previously un-released, I think you'll find many of the nay-sayers will accept the winning design with more open arms.

[kach22i]

Yep, the additional views do give a more complete idea the type of presence this car would have on the road.

[crackedcornish]

still looks to heavy towards the rear end...why is the rear of the car so high?

the angle of the silver one reminds me of this 2010 Europa concept....and not in a good way
http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-2010/klm/2010-Lotus-Europa-i6-Concept-Design-by-Idries-Noah-Rear-Angle-1280x960.jpg

[mn_vette]

Hi Guys,

Here's another view of the winner's entry:

http://www.factoryfive.com/whatsnew/update/nextcar/images/nouphone2.jpg

That pic looks alot better than the one they used to announce the winners!

[kach22i]

still looks to heavy towards the rear end...why is the rear of the car so high?

That and the high belt line is just how some cars are designed. I agree with you that there is no good reason, other than some people like it. It's been done before, don't make it right or wrong.

Example; Pontiac Solstice Coupe
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x295/kach22i/Automobile/A-edited-1.jpg
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x295/kach22i/Automobile/A-_edited.jpg

One advantage, is that SUV's and Mini vans which come flying up on your rear can see you and may not try to force you off the road just because they are bigger than you.

I drive a 1977 911 targa, and people just about climb up over my rear bumper. They cannot judge distance under their high hoods and things under their sight line do not exist to them.

[VTX]

Its amazing what a little computer rendering will do for presenting your work. Assuming these views were previously un-released, I think you'll find many of the nay-sayers will accept the winning design with more open arms.

Yep, I'm already liking it a LOT more with these new views! :)

[Steve91T]

I do too...I wonder why they didn't show some of those pictures instead of the drawing during open house?

[bil1024]

I like it, that would be a build I would do

[maaseyracer]

I'll buy it if it has a hard top or a weather proof top.

[mske390]

That pic looks alot better than the one they used to announce the winners!

I agree

[mske390]

Hi Guys,

Here's another view of the winner's entry:


Do you have any front pics?

[BipDBo]

I agree with the judges on one thing; the winner is a sharp looking car. It has very nice lines. I am nonetheless a little dissapointed about the pick for the following reasons. The rollbar was a serious design parameter that I devoted a long time to working around. The winning submission, however, just took the roll bar out. I'm speaking a little bit out of my expertise here, but although this design offers some roll protection, I don't think that's it's race compliant. Also, Dave originally compared this to a Lotus 211 or an Aerial Atom with a bit more of a body for driving comfort on the highway. This, along with the target weight and price really drove me to a design without doors or a windsheild. Door seams can be removed, but the rear of the winning design, aerodynamically, neccessitates the windshield, which will weigh more and necessitate frame modifications, wipers, wiper fluid, etc. Also, with the profile laid over the template posted by kach22i, it looks like it may need modification just to fit over the frame. Re-incorporating the rollbar, for example, will substantially alter the look of the car. Furthermore, it looks to incorporate custom head and tail lights, which look very nice, but also expensive. I fear that Factory 5 may have bitten off a little more than they can chew to make this work with the current frame and the weight and cost targets. I will say, though, that it is difficult to analyze such matters with tracing paper. Perhaps I treated this too much as a design competition rather than a concept competition. Some modifications will likely need to be done, and it will be interesting to follow how it finally shapes up.

[Niburu]

keep in mind they don't have to use any of the designs

the final result will probably look similar to the winning design but it'll certainly won't be exactly the same

[Cooluser23]

keep in mind they don't have to use any of the designs

the final result will probably look similar to the winning design but it'll certainly won't be exactly the same

or it could use the best elements from several designs combined.

[bromikl]

keep in mind they don't have to use any of the designs


(Dave Smith paraphrased - from the "Project 818 Design Contest Winners" thread) ...but "it's my company and I can do what I like"

I hope he does Xabier's design, and a couple others. Scotty B's would be a good one - and MAN! I can't get over Marrio Morra's budget - smashing entry.

[Reload]

Everybody's confused and a little frustrated. Well, yeah, we enthusiasts who wanted to design our own car are confused by the outcome, even more confused by the pictures shown. I entered this contest because my work buddy was the engineer behind the GTM's Mendeolla tranny. So I personally sunk 250-300 hours of my life into this (in between taking care of the new baby in the house) thinking I might have a chance since FFR didn't want those LM designer guys. They wanted real enthusiasts. Feeling frustrated, I have invested a few more hours trying to resolve this and I think I know how this went down.

First off, hat's off to Dave, Tim Suddard, and the rest of the FFR/GRM crew for running a contest with great intentions for the enthusiast community.

The 1st place winner was an industrial designer. He won because he created a body shape that was attractive and had clear British car styling cues (remember the Lotus 7 and 2-eleven comments). I am guessing FFR posted the drawings and didn't post the beautiful renderings out of respect to us enthusiasts. FFR and GRM had intended this to be an enthusiasts competition. In the end, an industrial designer with clear 3D rendering skills won. Should we be that surprised? Probably not as 4 of the judges are highly respected designers.

All us enthusiasts should take Xabier's 3rd place win as a win for ourselves. He clearly took an enthusiast approach with his Subaru headlights and Hella taillights. My guess is that FFR/GRM judges recognized this putting him tops on their list, but they were 3 of 9 judges.

Takeaway, 4 designer judges outweighed 3 enthusiast judges.

If they don't post this, I'll chalk it up to me being somewhat right with my theories. :-)

[Sergio]

Everybody's confused and a little frustrated. Well, yeah, we enthusiasts who wanted to design our own car are confused by the outcome, even more confused by the pictures shown. I entered this contest because my work buddy was the engineer behind the GTM's Mendeolla tranny. So I personally sunk 250-300 hours of my life into this (in between taking care of the new baby in the house) thinking I might have a chance since FFR didn't want those LM designer guys. They wanted real enthusiasts. Feeling frustrated, I have invested a few more hours trying to resolve this and I think I know how this went down.

First off, hat's off to Dave, Tim Suddard, and the rest of the FFR/GRM crew for running a contest with great intentions for the enthusiast community.

The 1st place winner was an industrial designer. He won because he created a body shape that was attractive and had clear British car styling cues (remember the Lotus 7 and 2-eleven comments). I am guessing FFR posted the drawings and didn't post the beautiful renderings out of respect to us enthusiasts. FFR and GRM had intended this to be an enthusiasts competition. In the end, an industrial designer with clear 3D rendering skills won. Should we be that surprised? Probably not as 4 of the judges are highly respected designers.

All us enthusiasts should take Xabier's 3rd place win as a win for ourselves. He clearly took an enthusiast approach with his Subaru headlights and Hella taillights. My guess is that FFR/GRM judges recognized this putting him tops on their list, but they were 3 of 9 judges.

Takeaway, 4 designer judges outweighed 3 enthusiast judges.

If they don't post this, I'll chalk it up to me being somewhat right with my theories. :-)


I agree with what you say. that's why I did not participated in the design contest, I knew it would be a waste of my time.

Hope the final product looks a lot like the K1 ATTACK, something exotic looking and not like a Kia Optima.

[keys2heaven]

Everybody's confused and a little frustrated. Well, yeah, we enthusiasts who wanted to design our own car are confused by the outcome, even more confused by the pictures shown. I entered this contest because my work buddy was the engineer behind the GTM's Mendeolla tranny. So I personally sunk 250-300 hours of my life into this (in between taking care of the new baby in the house) thinking I might have a chance since FFR didn't want those LM designer guys. They wanted real enthusiasts. Feeling frustrated, I have invested a few more hours trying to resolve this and I think I know how this went down.

First off, hat's off to Dave, Tim Suddard, and the rest of the FFR/GRM crew for running a contest with great intentions for the enthusiast community.

The 1st place winner was an industrial designer. He won because he created a body shape that was attractive and had clear British car styling cues (remember the Lotus 7 and 2-eleven comments). I am guessing FFR posted the drawings and didn't post the beautiful renderings out of respect to us enthusiasts. FFR and GRM had intended this to be an enthusiasts competition. In the end, an industrial designer with clear 3D rendering skills won. Should we be that surprised? Probably not as 4 of the judges are highly respected designers.

All us enthusiasts should take Xabier's 3rd place win as a win for ourselves. He clearly took an enthusiast approach with his Subaru headlights and Hella taillights. My guess is that FFR/GRM judges recognized this putting him tops on their list, but they were 3 of 9 judges.

Takeaway, 4 designer judges outweighed 3 enthusiast judges.

If they don't post this, I'll chalk it up to me being somewhat right with my theories. :-)

Why are so you insistent that the winning design is what ONE of the bodies will look like? Seems to me you've missed quite a bit from not reading the threads post competition.

I don't know exactly how FFR intends to take these submissions and whittle them down into THREE bodies, but they will. And I'm almost positive Xabier's concept will play heavily into ONE of these. Read the posts and you'll see why I say this.

Frankly, I'm getting rather bored reading the same thing over and over. This was an OPEN design competition, so amateurs and pro's alike could enter. And there were A LOT of good ideas from non-pro submissions, but you have to admit most of the ooo's and ah's were from those with design experience.

Let's give everyone a little time to recover from the competition and see how FFR will approach this. Come on, you know Dave isn't going to keep us in the dark.

The cat is out of the bag and tearing up R&D in Wareham.

[Olimk2]

WITH 700 PROJECTS, there are a lot of ideas to choose from...DAVE CLEARLY SAID IS THE BOSS AND WILL DECIDE IN THE END THE LOOK OF THE CAR(S)!!
I agree with Xabier's design beeing one option to start with, easy to convert in a nice scale one car for SEMA.

[Fuddmenace]

Congratulations to the chosen ones and to all those who had put in their time, effort and all the creativity and skill they could muster into their submission. Winners all.

IMHO, as being a potential 818 owner, the winning entry, while beautifully rendered and refined , seems a bit soulless in design and a bit generic for my taste, lacking the Factory Five flavor, so to speak. I would just have to wait and see what the Factory Five designers will come up with in regards to the final body design. Here's hoping to a see a design with the emphasis on light weight, fun to drive, modular performance and oozing with Factory Five Racing character. Either modern Porsche 718 RSK or modern boxer-powered MR Lotus 7:D

Eagerly waiting to see the rest of the submissions. People's choice, anyone?:cool:

[2KWIK4U]

Why are so you insistent that the winning design is what ONE of the bodies will look like? Seems to me you've missed quite a bit from not reading the threads post competition.

I don't know exactly how FFR intends to take these submissions and whittle them down into THREE bodies, but they will. And I'm almost positive Xabier's concept will play heavily into ONE of these. Read the posts and you'll see why I say this.

Frankly, I'm getting rather bored reading the same thing over and over. This was an OPEN design competition, so amateurs and pro's alike could enter. And there were A LOT of good ideas from non-pro submissions, but you have to admit most of the ooo's and ah's were from those with design experience.

Let's give everyone a little time to recover from the competition and see how FFR will approach this. Come on, you know Dave isn't going to keep us in the dark.

The cat is out of the bag and tearing up R&D in Wareham.


I agree with Keys,
We all had picked our favorites of the designs and I am sorry we will never all have the same tastes.

FFR's cars and customer service with my roadster build have always been top notch and I have confidence in them to make another great design. Bottom line, if we don't like the design we won't buy it and remember this is suppose to be a "world" car and appeal to a vast clientele.

[keys2heaven]

I agree with Keys,
We all had picked our favorites of the designs and I am sorry we will never all have the same tastes.

FFR's cars and customer service with my roadster build have always been top notch and I have confidence in them to make another great design. Bottom line, if we don't like the design we won't buy it and remember this is suppose to be a "world" car and appeal to a vast clientele.

Good thing you'll have three designs to choose from!

[mekeys]

Everyone is referring to these pics. http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showthread.php?2083-One-Hot-Ride-818-Submission

At least with eight different concepts in the two pictures submitted,FF5 shouldn't have any trouble coming up with one good design to build.

[Texan_GTM]

The more I look at this, the more i want it in black and white.

[Cr8tr]

Factory Five, Grass Root Motor, SolidWorks, the Judges and all of the forum community, thank you very much for this opportunity in this contest. I must say I am really surprised and thrilled for receiving the award. The fact that this award is presented to me by Factory Five, GRM, SolidWorks, and the judges is an added honor. Many talented individuals here was an inspiration to me and to many others. We all worked hard and had fun with this contest, in the end I we all are winners.

In conclusion, it has been a lot of fun and it has been very rewarding for me to be able to create something unique and take to heart from all of the great comments and ideas what the enthusiasts want from the 818. Thank you very much.

[Mad Dog]

Here's one more photo of Nouphone's design in a variety of colors.

http://www.factoryfive.com/whatsnew/update/nextcar/images/nouphone6.jpg

[Dave Smith]

I guess I'm just in love with Xabiers track car. I want to make three body shapes for three distinct purposes. I am the boss, but in the end Jim and Jesper, with the STRONG feedback of the community will select the body designs. I could type all day here on this, but the truth is that I am counting on partners to help us with the body shaping stages, to GREATLY reduce the time to mold and involving ALL you guys is going to be the next step before shaping starts.

I have to get the congrats letters and trophies all mailed today (and cash!). This is the most exciting project we've done and I truly appreciate the professional and respectful way everyone has communicated with each other. This project involves a ton of emotion and passionate feelings. Harnessing those ideas and discussions into a productive path was told to me by everyone that it would be impossible. I am please to be right in this case. Jim is out at races til next week, and we will have more spelled out shortly! People (NOT us) will write textbooks about this process in years to come as the 818 will break alot of new ground!

http://www.factoryfive.com/whatsnew/update/nextcar/images/xabier818r.jpg
Xabier's 818R side view

http://www.factoryfive.com/whatsnew/update/nextcar/images/nouphone2.jpg
Rear view of Nouphone's Design

[riptide motorsport]

Yeah xabiers track car is great.

[Dave Smith]

It does show the need for multiple designs on this GREAT chassis/drivetrain that we have.

[crackedcornish]

Here's one more photo of Nouphone's design in a variety of colors.

http://www.factoryfive.com/whatsnew/update/nextcar/images/nouphone6.jpg

Dear Dave,

sorry, but as much as I want to like this car...I just don't

there's nothing exciting or sexy about this design, it may as well be a Hyundai...way too bland, no matter what the color

perhaps if I hadn't seen at a least a half dozen more sensual designs submitted for the contest then maybe, just maybe, I would have been interested in this one, but alas, I did see them

[Dave Smith]

Yeah, but the winner does not mean that is the car/(s) we are making. Ive said this many times that the reason the design parameters were fairly open was to get alot of vaired designs. We may take one, elements of one, elements of many, all in combination. I agree with you in that there were at least 35-50 really great designs. The judges picked winners and it wouldnt have been a contest without judges, winners and prize money, but still the winners are not the definitive designs. Even more importantly, there is a huge difference between a photo and the real shape. A 1/4 scale model will get us closer, but still I can promise you that the design will light your hair on fire. It HAS to. The car HAS to be a shape/look that makes you willing to sell your children to buy it. Xabiers track car makes me feel that way. His street car with some heavy mods may also do that. Nouphones design may be a brain-sizzler in real life. I think it is amazing but needs some radical elements added to put it above a great oem car look.

[crackedcornish]

Yeah, but the winner does not mean that is the car/(s) we are making. Ive said this many times that the reason the design parameters were fairly open was to get alot of vaired designs. We may take one, elements of one, elements of many, all in combination. I agree with you in that there were at least 35-50 really great designs. The judges picked winners and it wouldnt have been a contest without judges, winners and prize money, but still the winners are not the definitive designs. Even more importantly, there is a huge difference between a photo and the real shape. A 1/4 scale model will get us closer, but still I can promise you that the design will light your hair on fire. It HAS to. The car HAS to be a shape/look that makes you willing to sell your children to buy it. Xabiers track car makes me feel that way. His street car with some heavy mods may also do that. Nouphones design may be a brain-sizzler in real life. I think it is amazing but needs some radical elements added to put it above a great oem car look.

thanks for reassuring me that you will build us a great looking car, as well as great performing one

[Steve91T]

I have no doubts that FFR is going to produce an amazing car.

[Oppenheimer]

Excited on what is to come. Humbled at being able to participate.

Many seem to like the Xabier track car (myself included). Many also liked his street car (myself included). Yet there aren't many differences between the two (paint, wing, truncated windshield).

That got me thinking, perhaps there could be some variations within the three bodies? A track car based on the Xabier, but also offered with options for a full windshield, wing delete, and targa top (mix and match). Another body, street car, based on one of the others, but also offered with a few track-like options. A commuter, but also offered with options, etc.

So with three basic body designs, there could be quite a few more actual end results. You could build the commuter, stripped down as your track car. Or the track car, optioned up for your street car, etc.

[VTX]

I like Xabier's track car a lot. I think it would be perfect for a track version of the 818.

I think the winning design is nice and the guy who did it obviously has talent, but I'm personally hoping for something more exotic and aggressive looking for the street version.

So, please make something that looks similar to Marrio Morra's! ;)

[riptide motorsport]

IT seems for the most part everyone here is basically in agreement.

[Ramarryo]

Hi there!
I’m a little late (been quite busy) but I really want to say thanks, first of all to Factory Five, and then to all of you. Honestly I didn’t expect to win any prize, yet I hoped to….. So when I realized my concept was one of the judges’ picks I thought: - well, 3 months of work not completely thrown away! - ;)
Just kiddin'…. Even before the judges’ verdict I’ve had such positive feedback from you guys on the forum, that it was like having already won the prize….

I have to congratulate with all the other winners, especially the “cash winners” Nouphone Bansasi, Rodney O. and Xabier…. I really like their projects very much.
I read on this forum about the “conflict” between pros and enthusiasts, but I think everyone of us could be both…. As an example I could define myself a semi-pro, cause I am an architect (so I’m a designer, but in a different field) whom has a true passion for cars. As someone of you have already noticed, maybe it’s because I’m italian: gasoline runs in our veins. :D

So last thing I want to say is that I’m ready to offer my little contribution (if FF needs it, of course) to the next phase, which is probably the hardest, but even the most exciting one…. I started this adventure as a design competition, but now I feel part of a community and I’m really looking forward to see the birth of a new sportscar. So I’m going to appear on this threads again.

Well, for now I'm only goin’ home for dinner! (as I said before I’m Italian, so you’ll understand….) :p

Mario

[kach22i]

I guess I'm just in love with Xabiers track car. I want to make three body shapes for three distinct purposes.

What I do like about X's design is perhaps best expressed by a quote I read today in another forum.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/off-topic-discussions/614336-peacock-porsche.html

My 911 is a beautiful car......it's body style is the result of stretching sheet metal over the mechanicals underneath..........."

Xabiers track car design seems to do the same thing, not a lot of excess material hanging around. I'm sure there are other designs embracing similar values for the contest, they just have not been posted in this forum. It would be nice to see some of those designs in the process of bringing this project to maturity.

Hey Mario, I'm an architect too (see my homepage). I wonder how many of us who entered the contest are?

[xabier]

Thank you very much guys I am glad you like my design, and special thanks to Dave Smith, it means a lot for me to hear that from you.

When I started preparing my design for the competition I didn´t expect to win any prizes, you know, I am a 20 years old industrial design student and I knew a lot of professional people or at least more experienced ones were going to take part on it. I want to become a car designer one day and I take part in every car design competition I can, and thankfully they all went well for me, but this one had something special, from this competition a real car was going to be created, and that was a very interesting thing.
It make us be part of the process, we all, in some way contributed to it and and will be really proud to see it become a reality, I can´t wait to see it! Apart from that, thanks to this competition I have been able to know such a fantastic company as Factory Five, which, living in Europe I didn´t knew it existed..

So, all this said, thanks a lot guys, I wish you all the best and hope this fantastic project goes as good as we all expect!

Xabier Albizu

[Someday I Suppose]

Xabier, time to stop saying you want to become a car designer and to start saying that you are a car designer. Maybe not you're full time job just yet, but you are most certainly a designer and a talented one at that.

_Scott


Thank you very much guys I am glad you like my design, and special thanks to Dave Smith, it means a lot for me to hear that from you.

When I started preparing my design for the competition I didn´t expect to win any prizes, you know, I am a 20 years old industrial design student and I knew a lot of professional people or at least more experienced ones were going to take part on it. I want to become a car designer one day and I take part in every car design competition I can, and thankfully they all went well for me, but this one had something special, from this competition a real car was going to be created, and that was a very interesting thing.
It make us be part of the process, we all, in some way contributed to it and and will be really proud to see it become a reality, I can´t wait to see it! Apart from that, thanks to this competition I have been able to know such a fantastic company as Factory Five, which, living in Europe I didn´t knew it existed..

So, all this said, thanks a lot from guys, I wish you all the best and hope this fantastic project goes as good as we all expect!

Xabier Albizu

[Benji]

Dave, build Xabier's car in all forms:

Street car
Track car
? car

You can share large sections of the bodywork between them, do more mass production, save money and hit that $9900 target (or maybe less! ;) ) and quicker development of each of the bodies to the market.

Come on, you know it makes sense ;)

[blueafro]

Congratulations to Cr8tr/Nouphone for putting together a presentation that the judges liked.

For my part, however . . .


there's nothing exciting or sexy about this design, it may as well be a Hyundai...way too bland, no matter what the color

Agreed. This one doesn't tug any strings for me at all.

[ScottKoschwitz]

I agree with crackedcornish about Cr8tr's design. It's nice enough, but it's a little tame. It looks like what I think Hyundai would design for a sporty convertible: definitely better looking than an average car, but not too aggressive or outlandish so as not to potentially turn off the intended buyer. I'm no designer, but it has the same problem the current Mazda MX5 has, which is a little too much bulk around the hood and the fenders sitting a little too high. That same sense of bulk carries through the sides to the rear, and is accentuate by the farings. Like the front, the rear also has too much bulk sitting a little too high.

Xabier's design is more "athletic" so to speak. It's bulky or muscular where it counts, looks lean in the right places, and has some nice curves to it. It appears both lower and longer than Cr8tr's design, more lithe. I like the fact that he incorporated the Subaru headlights into the design; a lot of the face of a car is determined by the size and shape of the headlights. I understand how some people see a catfish mouth, but I think that could be easily remedied.

Another plus is that of all the designs I have seen, Xabier's appears to be most amenable to different body styles. I can see a street roadster hitting the $10,000 kit price, a more expensive version with a full windshield and targa top, and a dedicated track/race version.

[bromikl]

We have Xabier's track car and Moria's design as the targa-optional street version. We just need a super-economical body. Good thing is, people who go for that thing (like me) exalt function over form.

[Fuddmenace]

Any word on when Dave and crew will be posting the rest of the submissions?

Can't wait to see the rest of 'em.;)

[Dave Smith]

There really is no way we can post all 700+ entries. Some of them were lovingly done and obvipously from kids, so I have to find a way to say thanks to EVERYONE who participated without exposing a good-hearted and excited 8 year old boy to criticism. I was thinking we would make a call on perhaps the 30-40 really great entries and throw them up for public debate here. As long as it is respectful of the efforts and passions involved, it will be a great excercise. We have tried SO HARD to be respectful, confidential (where asked), and appreciative thru this whole process. I guess I just want to make sure that all of our work together and everything we do ends up delivering a body shape that lives up to the chasiss and performance of the design. I WILL NOT accept mediocrity in this design. All FFR shapes are beautiful and extreme and dramatic... this one will be no exception and I can only promise one thing... When it drives down the road it will not EVER be msiatken for an OEM Hyundai.

[rschoeni]

The open-top 818R would get my vote, if it were delivered as a coupe (ala cayman) and with front aero re-work. To my eye, the front looks susceptible to drag from all the radiator/cooler (?)openings.

Coupe, cage, front splitter, and space for a standard 15 gallon fuel cell, and I'd be building a reasonably-priced track car, capable of opening a can of whup-a#& on the GT3RS's!:cool:

[BipDBo]

Well, I don't understand the claims that the winning submission looks tame. It is not a cartoonish concept, but rather a very nice looking sports car with nice looking, international lines and good aerodynamics. It's elegant, but not overstated. It looks good as a rendering and I'm sure could look much better in real life. It reminds me much less of a Hyundai, and much more of an Aston Martin.

I have noticed a commonality to many designs on these forums that have received praise for their "aggressive" look; large front air intakes. This is seen on the designs from Xabier, Sam Pourbehi and Chris Mahoney, all of which have far too much frontal air intake area. While people may like the "big mouth" look, it is hardly functional. Look at the much smaller air intake areas on the GTM and the Daytona coupe, which serve radiators for large V8s. Not much intake area is needed. Manufacturers play tricks to give a car the look of a large opening, while minimizing the actual intake area. Look at any production car with a big grill, and notice that most of the grill is blanked off, or like Ford or Mercedes, they use very wide grill bars. I find that kind of cheesy. A large opening just creates drag like a parachute, and in my opinion, likens the car to a catfish. The air intake should be minimally sized so that air is diverted over the hood of the car for minimal drag and maximum downforce.

[Colvindesign]

It would be great to see the chassis used on a variety of designs.

I would hope that this would then open up the possibility of using the other FFR chassis' for other designs as well.

[kach22i]

.........far too much frontal air intake area.
You have a valid point, and not everyone loves the large intakes on let's say an Audi, Mustang or Charger but it's one of the major styling trends going on these days.

The designs which confuse me have twin openings out to the front edges as if they are using two split-radiators like a Porsche or Ferrari. No form follows function here, but interesting designs just the same.

[ScottKoschwitz]

I'm not hatin'. I'm discussing a submission that won a public design contest, in explicit, respectful, non-personal, and (I hope) constructive language as possible, recognizing and respecting the amount of both talent and time Cr8tr put into it. He clearly has more design talent than I ever will. I suspect I'm like most here: I know what I like, but I can't draw it.

However, we are all potential customers here. FFR made the contest, results, and, it seems, the forthcoming development process, open to us, with reasonable limitations, for a reason. As long as we abide by the general rule to keep it respectful and constructive, what's the problem?

[Someday I Suppose]

Dave, I wonder if you could do a slide show or such on the home page of the site, someplace to showcase designs, but not have them open for feedback and discussion. I'd love to see some of the works especially those by kids, but totally agree that not all of them need to be critiqued by the masses.


There really is no way we can post all 700+ entries. Some of them were lovingly done and obvipously from kids, so I have to find a way to say thanks to EVERYONE who participated without exposing a good-hearted and excited 8 year old boy to criticism. I was thinking we would make a call on perhaps the 30-40 really great entries and throw them up for public debate here. As long as it is respectful of the efforts and passions involved, it will be a great excercise. We have tried SO HARD to be respectful, confidential (where asked), and appreciative thru this whole process. I guess I just want to make sure that all of our work together and everything we do ends up delivering a body shape that lives up to the chasiss and performance of the design. I WILL NOT accept mediocrity in this design. All FFR shapes are beautiful and extreme and dramatic... this one will be no exception and I can only promise one thing... When it drives down the road it will not EVER be msiatken for an OEM Hyundai.

[HealeyRick]

You know who would've cleaned up in this contest?

http://i51.tinypic.com/zl98gg.jpg

[blueafro]

It reminds me much less of a Hyundai, and much more of an Aston Martin.

You say Aston; I'd say the similar but pudgier look a late-90s, early 00s Jaguar coupe, perhaps leavened with a dash of mid-90s Ford Puma. Bland and sort of puffy, which makes this sort of interesting:


A large opening just creates drag like a parachute, and in my opinion, likens the car to a catfish.

Because I think the winning design, intake size or no, does have something of the catfish to it.

I guess this is a clear case of beauty in the eye of the beholder. You like it, the judges liked it, and Cr8tr himself believes it puts the Alfa-Romeo 4C "to shame (http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showthread.php?1402-A-Challenge-Issued-by-Alpha-Romeo&p=14553&viewfull=1#post14553)," but it does nothing for me.

[ScottKoschwitz]

I agree with blueafro. I think the Alfa 4C is quite striking, and for a while made me calculate how much more it would cost than a Lotus Elise. From the description of it, it sounded like it could suprass the Elise.

Look, cars are like women. There's just something about a certain one, or a certain type, that pushes your buttons. A buddy of mine could look at one, and his jaw will hit the floor, while I'll say "she's OK." I'm the same way with Cr8tr's design. It's a nice design, and I would build it, but it doesn't take my jaw to the floor.

Anyway, this whole process will be fun and exciting. It's great that we're all so passionate about cars, and Dave Smith must be thrilled with the amount of attention this project has garnered. For the record, Mr. Smith, if you can make this car look as good as you expect, I will happy to step in line with my order.

[TehLlama]

While there is an appreciable canon that's going to have to occur on FFR's end when it comes to decisions between really eye-catching style and compatibility with affordable OEM components, I really do think that many elements from the top three designs can carry over and mesh extremely well. The styling of the rear end, especially the exhaust arrangement and FactoryFive logo placement of the winning design works extremely well, and could fit very well within the design language of the final product.
The lower belt line and roll bar arrangement of Xabier's design is excellent, and I think taking a few cues from the GTM design (in a similar fashion to how Mario Morra's design brilliantly incorporates elements from the GTM) to revise the front end could be an amazing functional and stylish nose for this thing.

I really do feel that integrating design and styling elements from varied designs would reflect exactly the sort of world car the '818' is intended to be.

I do think the functional direction they were exploring with the top three selected entries (with a Targa, and eventual Coupe being possible) is the right path to go down, and I doubt the finalized design language will be hard to adapt into an absolutely gorgeous Track model with primarily add-on parts (like a chin spoiler, skirts, spoiler, etc.), so while I'm quite certain these are already on the table from the functional standpoint, I think another reason Xabier's design has so much popular following here is because the design seems to have had that in mind from the start.

While I'm sure that FFR is going to ameliorate any minor styling disagreements by coming out with a stunning final model, I'm still quite certain that they could roll out an ugly, blindingly fast car and we'd build them: I guess all I'm asking is that we all realize that if the styling is right, it could truly be a timeless car, and one with the performance numbers to back it up... if this goes well enough sales on these could outstrip all the recent FFR projects.

[Fuddmenace]

The winning submission's design is well done on most accounts, and according to the esteemed judges, is the best one in the lot. Like I said, it was meticulously and beautifully presented and rendered and successfully exhibited the designer's talent. While I consider it a bit too "mainstream" and generic, or others would like to say "Hyundai"-sh, it apparently had the "it" that made it the top pick of the judges based on the parameters and whatever judging criteria was given, which when viewing the winning entries seemed to be very wide open. They probably saw something in the design that honestly I just do not see when envisioning how "my" lightweight, mid-engined, boxer-powered roadster from Factory Five Racing would look like, and the looks plays a big part of the car's character. I just don't feel it.:p

For me though, the $9k question really is, whether this is the design direction that "The Boss" is taking the 818 towards, is this the design character that Factory Five Racing will adopt for the 818? Can't wait to see the final design for the 818.

Based on the winning entries, I am drawn towards Farrands' wild concept roadster, it has a future forward but at the same time retro-tastic, mach five kind of vibe, which when toned down for production would look bonkers racing down the track and cruising down the street. Factory Five meets Speedracer. I am also partial towards Phomsavanh's entry, the shape is aggressive, sporty, compact, light-handed and suggests low center of gravity flat-four turbo boxer power. Put on some Hella projectors or conventional headlights, tidy up the nose and roll bar area and it's good to go. Kobayashi also deserves praise for presenting his raw, true to the template, roadster runabout concept. Sure looks like fun! I was also surprised not to see Ariff's white roadster, which just oozed Factory Five Racing character, much like how a mid-engined MK4 roadster would look like.

Good stuff, just waiting to see the rest of the submissions.:cool:

[wrw2497]

I really do not understand why you would pick a japanese drive train for this project.....I, for one do NOT buy japanese cars,have never owned one and will never own one.....I am old enough to know that the japanese are not our friends and never have been,just ask a WW 2 veteran....A lot of great Americans were killed by the japanese and thier backstabbing ways......I currently own an FFR mk 3 that I bought and built because it is an all american car (albeit based on a brit design),all built here in the USA,with American parts......I think it diminishes Factory Five Racing by adding this half breed....is it a matter of building something cheap ? I thought you were proud of America and the products we make here....I just don't get it......disappointed,really

[Steve91T]

I really do not understand why you would pick a japanese drive train for this project.....I, for one do NOT buy japanese cars,have never owned one and will never own one.....I am old enough to know that the japanese are not our friends and never have been,just ask a WW 2 veteran....A lot of great Americans were killed by the japanese and thier backstabbing ways......I currently own an FFR mk 3 that I bought and built because it is an all american car (albeit based on a brit design),all built here in the USA,with American parts......I think it diminishes Factory Five Racing by adding this half breed....is it a matter of building something cheap ? I thought you were proud of America and the products we make here....I just don't get it......disappointed,really

Then don't buy one. Problem solved.

[Someday I Suppose]

All I can say is that if Hyundai had a car that looked like that I would have bought it by now :-)

[ScottKoschwitz]

The recent Hyundais are good looking cars. I always liked the Tiburon, even the first generation, and the Genesis Coupe is pretty sharp and has good performance. However, they are designed and built to be daily drivers and to be sold in huge volume, not to be that special performance car for a niche group like us.

[kach22i]

Alfa-Romeo 4C


I agree with blueafro. I think the Alfa 4C is quite striking, and for a while made me calculate how much more it would cost than a Lotus Elise. From the description of it, it sounded like it could suprass the Elise.

One thing for you guys to remember is the 4C and Elise are very short wheelbase cars compared to the 818 specifications. However I too love those cars and think it would be much easier to meet the weight goal in a more compact package.

We have seen 1/7th to 1/10th of the +700 entries posted in this forum. For conversation purposes I'm posting my own 7th entry which is early 1960's Bizzarrini/Ferrari + Alfa Romeo 4C influenced. It was by far my most retro design, my wife's favorite if that means anything to the fellows.

http://s184.photobucket.com/albums/x295/kach22i/Industrial%20Design/
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x295/kach22i/Industrial%20Design/GKA-SCHEME7-FRONT-yellow.jpg
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x295/kach22i/Industrial%20Design/GKA-SCHEME7-REAR-yellow.jpg
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x295/kach22i/Industrial%20Design/GKA-SCHEME7-SECTION-yellow.jpg
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x295/kach22i/Industrial%20Design/GKA-SCHEME7-TOP-YELLOW.jpg
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x295/kach22i/Industrial%20Design/GKA-SCHEME7-SIDE-yellow.jpg

As you can see, this just comes off as a much larger car than the ones which inspired it. Not my fault, I just followed the template.

Sorry, I don't do the computer 3D thing. I got into design because I love to draw, paint and work in clay.

[GUNS]

I really do not understand why you would pick a japanese drive train for this project.....I, for one do NOT buy japanese cars,have never owned one and will never own one.....I am old enough to know that the japanese are not our friends and never have been,just ask a WW 2 veteran....A lot of great Americans were killed by the japanese and thier backstabbing ways......I currently own an FFR mk 3 that I bought and built because it is an all american car (albeit based on a brit design),all built here in the USA,with American parts......I think it diminishes Factory Five Racing by adding this half breed....is it a matter of building something cheap ? I thought you were proud of America and the products we make here....I just don't get it......disappointed,really

Oh God, you're one of those. Get over it. This coming from a military dude with family that served in WWII

[Dave Smith]

Lets remember to keep this communictaion respectful and focus on fellowship.

To WRW2497: I was raised by a Naval Officer and I can tell you that running Factory Five is such an honor because we are an AMERICAN MANUFACTURING company. I think that once I explain more about the 818 you will see the patriotism in the work. Twenty percent of our cars are EXPORTED (thats a great thing and as a country we used to do alot more of that). Of our current product lines it is very difficult and expensive (meaning too many people dont do it) to get american V8 running gear outside of the US, particularly in areas like UK/Europe, and the far east. We picked the Subaru running gear because it is a cool boxer architecture, affordable, but VERY importantly, available in almost every area of the world. So what I am saying is that the japanese running gear enables more people from around the world to build a Factory Five, that was made in Wareham Massachusetts, USA. I respect your feeling and emotions but the fact is that for us to EXPORT is a very good and patriotic thing. Beyond that, I have plans to power the car with alternate drivetrains like the TDI and possibly Fords new 1 litre turbo eco-boost engine.

Lets all remember that this forum is here to serve the community, as I am here in the best job in the world, only because you guys are willing to let me keep doing this. I am locking up the building, but I took three customers on my traditional parking lot 90 mph drift session... Three more converts to the church of Factory Five... Three more people who now understand the beauty and functional beauty of the FFR chassis. Have a great weekend!

[blueafro]

One thing for you guys to remember is the 4C and Elise are very short wheelbase cars compared to the 818 specifications.

I am curious about the 4C's wheelbase. When the concept was first shown, the wheelbase is given as "less than 2.4 meters," which presumable means "more than 2.3 meters." That would put it between 90.5 and 94.5 inches, which ranges from Elise-size to 1/2 inch shorter than 818. Given the number 2.4 was given instead of 2.3, I'd guess it's closer to the 818 than to the Elise, but by how much? (Of course a production version, if it ever appears, may deviate significantly from the show car.)


However I too love those cars

I mentioned the 4C not because I love the design, but because I found it very interesting that Cr8tr offered it as a direct comparison to his winning design (months before he won, no less). That's doubly interesting given how well the judges responded to his design.

The 4C is a bold, distinctive, and (to my eye) fairly cohesive design, but I'm personally on the fence about it. Some parts of the 4C I like a lot (nose, front fenders, cockpit elevation, rear hatch and trunk), where others I find awkward (transition from door to rear-fender intakes), and other parts a bit cliched (lower tail and taillights).


it would be much easier to meet the weight goal in a more compact package.

It will be interesting to see how close FF comes to its weight targets, but I'm not sure the chosen wheelbase is going to be much of a problem. If the car at a crude estimate weighs roughly the same for every inch of wheelbase, then a 5% difference in wheelbase (Elise vs. 818) would only work out to 40 or so kilos, or 90 lbs. In reality, that's not a good yardstick given that the mechanicals are staying the same, as presumably are the overhangs, so the real difference might be less.

[blueafro]

For conversation purposes I'm posting my own 7th entry which is early 1960's Bizzarrini/Ferrari + Alfa Romeo 4C influenced. It was by far my most retro design, my wife's favorite if that means anything to the fellows.

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x295/kach22i/Industrial%20Design/GKA-SCHEME7-SECTION-yellow.jpg

I like how you handled the transition from door to vents. It looks far better to me than how Alfa-Romeo handled the same thing on the 4C. I also like the side elevation of the cockpit.

[Bluewinters21]

Dave,
I applaud the use of a WRX power plant design. You hit the nail on the head when you mentioned that we, as a Nation, need to increase our export base. A country cannot sustain its self off of government jobs and the service industries. There is a need to have tangible products for the purpose of a tax base. Especially in a global market. We gave up isolation policies a long time ago (which is not a bad thing) so long as we have a strong manufacturing base. Unfortunately we have sent most of our industry overseas in the interest of avarice… Without product lines, textiles, or raw materials to sell abroad, (or even locally for that matter) our debit will only increase as there are more monies being spent on government jobs and social programs than our infrastructure can afford.

One of the issues I have with GTM Supercar is the need for a Corvette donor car… Corvettes fetch premium prices in my neck of the woods. And going through a dealership is prohibitive. The WRX platform is very plentiful in my area. This platform is a little easier for me to come by. WRX power plants already have a strong support community. Modifications that work for reasonably priced and reliable horsepower/torque increases are well documented. And the sound of a well tuned WRX STI engine is amazing. How do they make that little engine sound like a rumbling V-8?

The idea of multiple power plants is a strong one. Ford is indeed doing amazing things these days, so it’s hard to go wrong with most of their drive train options… Is Alan Mulally still running the show there? Either way, the more options for completing the kits, the better.

In short, things at factory five seem to be going… seem to be continuing, in the right direction. And remember, if people are not concerned about your direction and products, that means they probably don’t care. And that would tell you that you’re doing something wrong. Never rest upon your laurels. :cool:

[Super Buggy]

I would like to thank you for the opportunity to participate in this 818 body design contest. I'm very honored to have been chosen Tim Suddard Judge's Award! Also I’m a potential 818 customer. Thank you so much
http://shop.spikeangel.net/media/import/818/818_a.jpg
http://shop.spikeangel.net/media/import/818/818_b.jpg

[kach22i]

4C's wheelbase..............90.5 and 94.5 inches, which ranges from Elise-size to 1/2 inch shorter than 818.
818 = 95"

http://www.carfolio.com/specifications/models/car/?car=77396
or here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotus_Exige
Elise = 90.6"

So the Elise wheelbase is about 4-1/2" shorter than the 818's.

From below, the 818 wheelbase is as long as the C4's whole body:
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/03/01/alfa-romeo-4c-concept-geneva-2011/

Smaller than the 8C it essentially succeeds, the 4C doesn't shed the excitement factor, just concentrates it into a more compact shape. In fact, at less than eight feet long, it doesn't get much more concentrated than this
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Mind you my original comment was rather seat of the pants, based on general observations. These first impressions hold true upon further research.

Blueafro:
I like how you handled the transition from door to vents

Yea, line drawings can let you get away with murder sometimes. This time in my mind I imagine the line from the two different directions would have to bump into each other. This point could be a null or flat spot, but I think working in clay I would put a shallow crease there, a "score line" if you will. This crease or score line could/would be part of the side/hood ridge and rear intake as well, perhaps hidden in a fold until the unification brought it to light.

I also remember thinking a door release handle could be hidden inside of the rear side vent. I tend to design things more complex than I end up building them. Which is why I like to get my hands dirty - keeps me honest.

[olpro]

The Chrysler Crossfire, and of course the old Dodge Chargers, featured that positive-negative transition as a main side design element. I think they both just let the feature not actually connect. It still flows together visually.
One of the Greek guys used a similar transition on his entry, albeit in the opposite direction.
You are to be credited to realize that there is an issue making the element actually read through.

[blueafro]

So the Elise wheelbase is about 4-1/2" shorter than the 818's.

Yes, the Elise wheelbase is 2.3 meters, which is why in referring to 2.3 meters as the probable lower bound of the published figures on the 4C wheelbase, I referred to it as "Elise size."


From below, the 818 wheelbase is as long as the C4's whole body:
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/03/01/alfa-romeo-4c-concept-geneva-2011/

I don't see where you're seeing that. This is text from the press release in your link:

"a length of approximately 4 metres and a wheelbase of less than 2.4 metres." Four meters is 157". 2.4 meters is 94.5", which is why I compared the 818's 95" to the range of 2.3 to 2.4 meters, which I termed "Elise-size to 1/2 inch shorter than 818," or 90.5-94.5".

By comparison, the overall length of the Smart Car, which is about the shortest real car around, is 2.5 meters or 98.5", so an overall length of 95" for the 4C woud be incredibly tiny.

Edit: Okay, I do see where you are getting that. The Autoblog editors either mistook wheelbase for overall length or simply expressed themselves poorly. The press release gives the actual figures.

[prematureapex]

I really do not understand why you would pick a japanese drive train for this project.....I, for one do NOT buy japanese cars,have never owned one and will never own one.....I am old enough to know that the japanese are not our friends and never have been,just ask a WW 2 veteran....A lot of great Americans were killed by the japanese and thier backstabbing ways......I currently own an FFR mk 3 that I bought and built because it is an all american car (albeit based on a brit design),all built here in the USA,with American parts......I think it diminishes Factory Five Racing by adding this half breed....is it a matter of building something cheap ? I thought you were proud of America and the products we make here....I just don't get it......disappointed,really

Ok, guess you won't be returning to this forum then. Bye.

[kach22i]

I don't see where you're seeing that.

The quote is from the first sentence in the second paragraph.
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/03/01/alfa-romeo-4c-concept-geneva-2011/

Click the link, that woman is either an Amazon or the car is tiny.

I'm thinking that the C4 could be smaller than the Lancia Stratos, and that is small, real small.:eek:

I saw the C8 today in person, just a beautiful car.

[blueafro]

The quote is from the first sentence in the second paragraph.
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/03/01/alfa-romeo-4c-concept-geneva-2011/


Yes, but it's wrong. You have to click the link further down the page to expand the press release.


that woman is either an Amazon or the car is tiny.

She is tall, and she is wearing high heels, but imagine her in the horizontal, and you'll see she'd never fit in the wheelbase, much less the overall length.

[crackedcornish]

Yes, but it's wrong. You have to click the link further down the page to expand the press release.



She is tall, and she is wearing high heels, but imagine her in the horizontal, and you'll see she'd never fit in the wheelbase, much less the overall length.

I was doing just that ;)

[bromikl]

Call me crazy, but I am completely unable to see any similarities between Cr8er's design and the 4C. They both have four wheels. After that, I'm not seeing it.


Though if FFR wanted to duplicate its size, I'm totally OK with that. Not sure why the 818 needs a 95 inch wheelbase. The Exige is 90.5 inches, and handles wonderfully.

[riptide motorsport]

5" of wheelbase translates into alot when it comes to leg room as well as overall proportions......

[mske390]

I really do not understand why you would pick a japanese drive train for this project.....I, for one do NOT buy japanese cars,have never owned one and will never own one.....I am old enough to know that the japanese are not our friends and never have been,just ask a WW 2 veteran....A lot of great Americans were killed by the japanese and thier backstabbing ways......

As a veteran and proud american I say to you...that was over a half century ago time to let go. This is a totally different world now, we have to be open to globalization if we want to remain as powerful as we are. I have no problem buying a japanese car (actually own one), I work hard for my money so I am going to spend it in the what I consider the wisest way possible. I bought it from an american dealership and the car was built by american workers so the majority of the price went to americans. Also, I look at it this way, if the american auto industry wants to receive all of this money then step up your game and build a comparable product. We shouldn't reward mediocrity!

[ZeroDrift]

Some very good designs out there, and the finalists are also quite good looking! I'd be very interested in buying a kit if it was offered as a coupe, or a targa top as I'd use the car as a summer car more than likely. Any ideas for expected dates for the final design, and of course; when the kit would be available?

[eoyler]

Loving the 818 project! Can't wait to see what FFR decides to include in their final design.

Dave, is there any chance you can have an email list or Twitter feed or something to allow us to keep up to date with the latest news on the 818??? The forum is great for discussions, but I'd love to hear the latest details as soon as they come out to the public. Something just for the 818 news.

Thanks for putting on such an awesome project!

[David]

I guess I'm just in love with Xabiers track car. http://www.factoryfive.com/whatsnew/update/nextcar/images/xabier818r.jpg
Xabier's 818R side view



That car would be just as sexy with a windshield and no rear wing. That profile is beautiful and well proportioned. Id be a buyer for sure. Most of the others probably not.

David

[riptide motorsport]

Actually if it doesn't look like that or that good.....I'm not buying it!!!!!!!!

[LiquidPT]

That car would be just as sexy with a windshield and no rear wing. That profile is beautiful and well proportioned. Id be a buyer for sure. Most of the others probably not.

David

You mean like this?

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l619/xabier-albizu/Sideview-blanco.jpg

http://www.factoryfive.com/whatsnew/update/nextcar/images/thumbs/xabieralbizu2.jpg

(3rd place winner from page 1. Same car in street form)

[Ks2]

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l619/xabier-albizu/Sideview-rojotecho.jpg

with the roof on, still amazing... would be great to see it with a glass T-top like the older corvett

(i don't like the tinting on this one... but it is a good example)

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[Steve91T]

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l619/xabier-albizu/Sideview-rojotecho.jpg

with the roof on, still amazing... would be great to see it with a glass T-top like the older corvett

(i don't like the tinting on this one... but it is a good example)

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Waaaaay too heavy.

[Justen]

I really do not understand why you would pick a japanese drive train for this project.....I, for one do NOT buy japanese cars,have never owned one and will never own one.....I am old enough to know that the japanese are not our friends and never have been,just ask a WW 2 veteran....A lot of great Americans were killed by the japanese and thier backstabbing ways......I currently own an FFR mk 3 that I bought and built because it is an all american car (albeit based on a brit design),all built here in the USA,with American parts......I think it diminishes Factory Five Racing by adding this half breed....is it a matter of building something cheap ? I thought you were proud of America and the products we make here....I just don't get it......disappointed,really


the Subaru powerplant is just one of the options for this car. At the open house Dave was talking about many different powerplants as well as different bodies. There was mention of putting the Ford
EcoBoost engine as an alternative as well as bio-diesel options. so do some research before you start hatin' :)

[kitcarj]

Hewlett-Packard Technology Award for Best Integration of Computer Technology - Davy Phomsavanh

http://www.factoryfive.com/whatsnew/update/nextcar/images/thumbs/DavyPhosavanh.jpg

Look how similar these two designs ended up.
http://www.gizmag.com/toyota-grmn-sports-concept-ii/19008/http://www.gizmag.com/toyota-grmn-sports-concept-ii/19008/
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[kach22i]

Look how similar these two designs ended up.
Easy to see similarities with the colors matching like that.

However if you can click the link below, the Toyota may have more in common with a Audi concept sketch I dug up while doing research for the 818 competition.

Link:
http://thehotseatforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=1237

[olpro]

Hewlett-Packard Technology Award for Best Integration of Computer Technology - Davy Phomsavanh

http://www.factoryfive.com/whatsnew/update/nextcar/images/thumbs/DavyPhosavanh.jpg

Look how similar these two designs ended up.
http://www.gizmag.com/toyota-grmn-sports-concept-ii/19008/http://www.gizmag.com/toyota-grmn-sports-concept-ii/19008/
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They are both red. Other than that?

[thebeerbaron]

They are both red. Other than that?

They have four wheels?

[Psay]

I have only just discovered this forum and the 818 project and I have to say it is fantastic.

I believe what Factory Five is doing with this project is excellent and with the help of all on this forum we will get a fantastic car.

I like the idea of three different body types and am particulary interested in the coupe version or at least a car with some form of weather protection.

All the designs submitted are outstanding and I can only admire the talent of these people but there is one in particular that is head and shoulders above the rest in my opinion and that is the 818 Carerra RS. PLEASE BUILD IT.

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[slopoke]

I'll second that ... It has been my desktop background for over a month now. ....I'll take two please! One for the street and one for the track

[crackedcornish]

I have only just discovered this forum and the 818 project and I have to say it is fantastic.

I believe what Factory Five is doing with this project is excellent and with the help of all on this forum we will get a fantastic car.

I like the idea of three different body types and am particulary interested in the coupe version or at least a car with some form of weather protection.

All the designs submitted are outstanding and I can only admire the talent of these people but there is one in particular that is head and shoulders above the rest in my opinion and that is the 818 Carerra RS. PLEASE BUILD IT.

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that one was my first pick as well
http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showthread.php?2252-You-Be-The-Judge

[olpro]

Don't be fooled by a GROSSLY cheated design.
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[slopoke]

not to cause a stir, but I think the outline of the engine and gearbox are about four and a half to six inches too high. If you look at the axle centerline and the trans case ... but hey, I'm no Subie expert. It just looks weird. Just go back and look at the chassis photos from the open house. Also, I don't think we will be asked to sit on the gas tank ... but I've been wrong before

[thebeerbaron]

not to cause a stir, but I think the outline of the engine and gearbox are about four and a half to six inches too high.

The funny thing about the Subaru engine is it's not actually all that short (vertically), once you factor in things like the intake manifold and the intercooler. Yes, the transmission is shorter than the engine (with ancillaries), but I suspect the exhaust will be taking up that "free" space.


Also, I don't think we will be asked to sit on the gas tank ... but I've been wrong before

From Dave's latest comments, you may be right. The difference is not staggering though. My roughest measurement says that the Carerra is <1.5 tire diameters tall. Assuming a 25" diameter tire (which was close to right, IIRC), that's less than 40" off the ground. The GT40 was 40" tall, and if you've never met one, they are seriously short. As in not fun to drive in traffic short. I like the Carerra sketches, but I'm not sure they're right for this car and I'm not sure they're distinct enough to avoid a Porsche lawsuit.

This dead horse has been beaten many times. It sounds like the design process will come back to us soon with scale models that demonstrate honest applications of some of the top designs. That's the time to start picking a champion, not from sketches, which as olpro suggests, can be quite misleading.

[crackedcornish]

The funny thing about the Subaru engine is it's not actually all that short (vertically), once you factor in things like the intake manifold and the intercooler. Yes, the transmission is shorter than the engine (with ancillaries), but I suspect the exhaust will be taking up that "free" space.



From Dave's latest comments, you may be right. The difference is not staggering though. My roughest measurement says that the Carerra is <1.5 tire diameters tall. Assuming a 25" diameter tire (which was close to right, IIRC), that's less than 40" off the ground. The GT40 was 40" tall, and if you've never met one, they are seriously short. As in not fun to drive in traffic short. I like the Carerra sketches, but I'm not sure they're right for this car and I'm not sure they're distinct enough to avoid a Porsche lawsuit.

This dead horse has been beaten many times. It sounds like the design process will come back to us soon with scale models that demonstrate honest applications of some of the top designs. That's the time to start picking a champion, not from sketches, which as olpro suggests, can be quite misleading.

all this may be true, but I still would like to see many of the design element from this car make it into the modeling stage
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s147/crackedcornish/fe4b5bce.jpg

we'll just have to wait to see the clay models to see which cars are actually being considered for construction.

[bromikl]

I'll second that ... It has been my desktop background for over a month now. ....I'll take two please! One for the street and one for the track

+1 on the hardtop 818 Cararra.

It's not my #1 choice, but I bet it would be enormously popular! The drawing may be cheated, but if the finished car looks anything like a Porsche, it's a winner in my book.

[Flamshackle]

Don't be fooled by a GROSSLY cheated design.
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this is the problem right here...

In the case of this design of the porch copy cat above you cant actually have your cake and eat it to... If you simply made the roof bigger and higher it would look all kinds of ugly!

I for one am very happy with the idea of riding around in this...

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worth noting that it wouldn't be impossibly hard to manufacture a roof for this either. I think roof or not this car would look amazing

[flyboy2160]

Hello all,

I just joined and this is my first post.

At the risk of getting kicked off: I'm all for originality when required, but Dave, why not just tweak the new Stratos design (IMO the most beautiful car pics ever)? I can easily see how the body could be split for small molds.

Flyboy Steve

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[PhyrraM]

I don't know the full details, so take this with a grain of salt, but FFR has already fought legal battles over "abandoned" designs. (Which they won, IIRC) Much less some obviously not-so-abandoned designs. I'm guessing the decision to spend a not insignificant amount of money to gather original designs for the 818 has something to do with the desire to minimize the possibility of a repeat appearance in court.

I would not expect a Stratos or Porshe (or sadly Mclaren F1) inspired car, as beautiful as they may be. Common sense - with a bit of history - will usually point us observers in the right direction, or at least tell us what trees not to bark up.

[Driven]

Jim Schenck's Judge's Pick - Jeff Teague
Amen. I don't like the front end but a little fettling will fix that.
I wish I had had time to enter this competition. I am in the middle of starting my own mobility company so I am just swamped. My partner has designed some of the most recognizable cars in the world and we likely could have presented a top shelf design. I had kind of a stealth fighter concept that was at once subtle and easy to manufacture in mind.

Anyway, PLEASE take a closer look at Jeff's design, Dave. This is a Ferrari killer in the looks department (after some minor changes). High value. Have him send you a version without the horrendous paint scheme.

[thebeerbaron]

Anyway, PLEASE take a closer look at Jeff's design...

Unfortunately that design is massively "cheated". The wheelbase and wheel sizes suggest a car the size of a Zonda, rather than an Elise. Fixing the proportions of the Teague car as drawn would ruin the design, which mostly derives its impact from the relative scales of tires/windows/spoilers, which cannot be maintained on the wheelbase/track/height that are set for the 818.

Poke around the forums a bit, lots of interesting discussion going on about these designs and the next steps - 1/4 scale models are being produced, which should show off three of the best designs as they would fit the 818 chassis. We're all really excited to see what comes out, and I know I'm pretty sure the results will be spectacular.

Welcome!

[kach22i]

The wheelbase and wheel sizes suggest a car the size of a Zonda, rather than an Elise.

I assume this is the concept we are talking about.

Jim Schenck's Judge's Pick - Jeff Teague
http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showthread.php?2238-Project-818-Design-Contest-Winners
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Thebeerbaron is spot on, look at this RUF, it's wheelbase is longer than the Porsche it is based on to get the chopped top look.
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x295/kach22i/Automobile/A-gallery_black_ruf_ctr3_006.jpg

Now look at this Louts concept sketch, a far cry from what they actually bring to showcar and showroom. Reasons being what Olpro and thebeerbaron have already pointed out.
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x295/kach22i/Automobile/A-Lotus_concept_by_Morfiuss.jpg

I'm all for having fun with concept sketches, but it is murder converting them into real life usable proportions. Not all designs were equally responsible or held themselves template accountable in this contest. Some people (myself included) are understandably bemused with the constant championing of "massively cheated" submittals because we know first hand how hard it was to get something good looking within the program.

Give us a break, and show some sympathy for us rational old folks.

[Drew2.0]

Hey guys Im new and I joined cause Im very interested in "818"... I would like to start with my opinion! I like Colin bonothans design the best... I do not like 3rd place, the side vents are retarded looking, like a 3rd grader sliced them up, and the air ducks up front look like a banzai GTR body kit for a Hyundai tiburon (not a good look)... 1st place is ok but again with the side vents looking crazy, I understand its mid-ship powered but its 2011 not the 1980s lets leave the testarossa alone... Organic flowing lines is what is needed. I think its great that the community gets to be actively involved in this process, thats what I call paving the way!

-cheers

[Niburu]

You sir are entitled to your opinion and I respect that - I may agree with some points and disagree with others.
The great thing with this project is that there will be several body styles to chose from when it's all said and done.
I'm going to reserve any design judgements until they're done with the process or ask for some input from us all again.

[kach22i]

Hey guys Im new and I joined cause Im very interested in "818"... I would like to start with my opinion! I like Colin bonothans design the best... I do not like 3rd place, the side vents are retarded looking, like a 3rd grader sliced them up, and the air ducks up front look like a banzai GTR body kit for a Hyundai tiburon (not a good look)... 1st place is ok but again with the side vents looking crazy, I understand its mid-ship powered but its 2011 not the 1980s lets leave the testarossa alone... Organic flowing lines is what is needed. I think its great that the community gets to be actively involved in this process, thats what I call paving the way!

-cheers
Some rather bare knuckled comments there, some of them did make me laugh though.

Such comments are best made with offering an alternative choice so a decision can be made. Otherwise it is not constructive at all, and just comes off as mean hearted.

What do you have for us?

I trust the crowd here will not be equally cruel.

[Drew2.0]

kach22i you have made a valid point, and I'm happy you brought it up cause I do have a very ruff draft of what I would like the 818 to look like... my intentions were not to be mean heart, it was constructive criticism- I mean we all want to drive around in the baddest, sexiest looking machine on 4 wheels right? I read something about selling your mom for one, and I for one will not send my mom for any of the designs picked so far, I will reevaluate my "opinion" when I see the models (my mom is a pretty good cook)... As far as my ruff draft I had issues loading the pic up for everyone to see, I will appreciate some help with that, I believe the file was only 550k.... Another thing I wanted to ask the people in charge of the molds are there any design elements you stray away from because of difficulty of fit finish issues, cause if so I can totally understand why certain designs were not picked...

[Twinturbostang]

I would like to thank you for the opportunity to participate in this 818 body design contest. I'm very honored to have been chosen Tim Suddard Judge's Award! Also I’m a potential 818 customer. Thank you so much
http://shop.spikeangel.net/media/import/818/818_a.jpg
http://shop.spikeangel.net/media/import/818/818_b.jpg

This is what i want to build!

[Twinturbostang]

I would like to thank you for the opportunity to participate in this 818 body design contest. I'm very honored to have been chosen Tim Suddard Judge's Award! Also I’m a potential 818 customer. Thank you so much
http://shop.spikeangel.net/media/import/818/818_a.jpg
http://shop.spikeangel.net/media/import/818/818_b.jpg

This is the one i want to build

[bbatts]

I also like the concept of a hot-rod dune buggy. I would build one as a fun car. It is very different and I like that. Let me know if you get any traction about making this available to build/sell.

BB
Nashville, TN

[Niburu]

There is nothing to stop you guys once the kit is up for sale, if there's enough of interest you might be able to convince Mr. Smith to sell a run of non-body kits and make your own.
Or sell off the kit body to some race team or such.