Vantage Design Project

[RM1SepEx]

This one will age very gracefully, classic design!!! Smooth, aerodynamic, easy to do varied "types" make mine a targa please...

[el_jefe]

Here is another idea I had for side vents, new one on bottom and Top Vent (black) behind side window area for Intercooler.

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6055&d=1321164702

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Yes please. (Quoted because I wanted to see it again) Throw on some Fikse FM-10's in black, and a wing/splitter for trackdays and I'm good.

[Flamshackle]

Oh the more I look at it the more I love it! top picks for me are now

Rodneys
V mans
Xabiers...

Vman please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please...

give us a 3 point perspective :D

[BipDBo]

The 818 needs to have an escape for the incoming cooling air. Doing this won't add down force like someone mentioned, but it won't create lift, which is important.
Steve
You can't add a hood vent to a Mustang or a Camaro and expect it to provide downforce because most of the air will still go under the car. If you actually duct it like this BMW, so all of the air goes up, then you will see a benefit. The very act of directing air upward will create some amount of downforce because with every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. Air goes up, car goes down. You may not completely counteract the uplift on a Camaro or Mustang body, but we are in agreement that it would help.
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Mid engine cars have a distinct advantage with this becase they can have a much lower hood. A ducted radiator hood vent, combined with a low hood, I think, can very well make for downforce on the front of the 818. An add on splitter for the track version would help, too. I think that FFR should make front wheel downforce one of their design goals, at least for the track version. This design by Vman, in particular, looks to have more potential for front wheel downforce than the other designs. It's one of the reasons I think that it has a lot of potential, and I wish someone would develope it into 3D.

[Oppenheimer]

The window side scoop looks like its an aftermarket thing taked on. Make it body color, and make it more integral to the rest of the shape. Make it look like it grew there, not was riveted on.

The new swoopy side vent is nice, but I think its a little too swoopy. I think tone it down a little, and you're there. Maybe its that its rounded now, but the top, rear most part is still the same 'angled' shape it was before. Its like someone was bending a pipe into a nice curve, and it kinked a little at that one spot.

[Vman7]

The window side scoop looks like its an aftermarket thing taked on. Make it body color, and make it more integral to the rest of the shape. Make it look like it grew there, not was riveted on.

The new swoopy side vent is nice, but I think its a little too swoopy. I think tone it down a little, and you're there. Maybe its that its rounded now, but the top, rear most part is still the same 'angled' shape it was before. Its like someone was bending a pipe into a nice curve, and it kinked a little at that one spot.

The air intake behind the side window for right now is a bolt on, for right now, I was thinking about molding it in myself.

The new "swoopy" side vent was shaped to work with the upper side scoop, look at were they both end (on the right). Not sure where you are talkign about being a kink it it though, if you could show me I could get an idea of what area you are talking about, and see if that needs to be worked on.

David

[Vman7]

Here are a couple of other Top vent ideas for the Intercooler.

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6144&d=1321302921
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http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6145&d=1321302980
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I think I am going to get away from the side view for a bit and work on the front and front race view for a bit.

David

[Oppenheimer]

nice, those both look good. I think I like the bottom one better.

[imom]

Vman, the bottom picture looks really good...prefer that compare to the mustang type vents. Can you answer my question about car dimensions from response #243? Thanks

[BipDBo]

Here are a couple of other Top vent ideas for the Intercooler.

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6144&d=1321302921
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http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6145&d=1321302980
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I think I am going to get away from the side view for a bit and work on the front and front race view for a bit.

David

I like having an air intake on the B-pillar kind of like the Miura. If you have an intake up high, though, what is the point of also having the intake in front of the rear wheels? You need air for engine intake and possibly for rear brake cooling, but that's not much air, and doesn't demand such a large intake.

In fewer words, it looks to me that you just have too much intake. Here are a few options:
* Take the air in up high from the B-pillar and flow it downward through the top mount intercooler, to discharge downward over the engine. The combustion cold air intake and the brake cooling can tap into the duct above and upstream of the intercooler. the advantage with this is that the air flows through the intercooler the same way as it does on the WRX so there is less modification that needs to be made. The disadvantage is that the hot air flow downward, forced by the ram action of the moving vehicle, it's motion opposes gravity. When stopped, therefore, convection will cause air to flow through the intercooler the wrong way, and the combustion air intake will be sucking up air that was warmed by the intercooler. Despite it's draw backs, I think this option is very nice due to it's direct, simple ductwork. And it looks slick. That's what I did on my submission:
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* Take the air in through the lower intakes and duct it through the intercooler backwards, in the up flow arrangement. The intercooler would discharge upward, possibly through a grill in the rear hood, where there is an aerodynamic low pressure zone. This grill could also ventilate the engine bay. As with the first option, the combustion cold air intake and the brake cooling can tap into the duct above and upstream of the intercooler. The advantage in this is that convection will cause air to flow through the intercooler the correct way. The disadvantage is that the ductwork will be longer, and more complicated. The intercooler will probably need to be relocated with respect to the engine and therefore repiped to the turbo and intake manifold. Also, a lower intake will take in more dust and water.
* Use the high, B-pllar intakes for the intercooler, and use a much smaller, low intake for the engine air and brake cooling. This way, the engine can't suck in hot air from the intercooler. It would look something like the Miura:
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[Oppenheimer]

The 'kink' in the side vent I was talking about (needs to flow better, more curve, less pinch in this spot)

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[Vman7]

Vman, the bottom picture looks really good...prefer that compare to the mustang type vents. Can you answer my question about car dimensions from response #243? Thanks

I'll have to pull up the side view again and measure, don't forget that 19" I showed on the pic back in line #198 is from the ctr of the front, not the outside. I can post the Vantage spec.s again for right now, only thing different is the wheel size.

Vantage Spec.s

Length Overall: 161.5"

Width: Front Fender- 70"/ Rear Fender- 72"

Height (Coupe Version): 46.75"

Wheelbase: 95"

Ground Clearance: 4.5"

Track: Front- 58.5" / Rear- 58.3"

Tires: Front 225/40-18 / Rear 255/35-18

Tires Opt. Front 235/40-18 / Rear 265/35-18, 275/35-18

Wheels: 18"

Interchangeable rear engine deck - Coupe/Targa version and Spyder Version (with possible quick top)
Interchangeable rear vent/Taillight/Lic. Plate area.

Side Mirrors to be decided still, a bunch of ways to go.


Note: Wheel Wells were designed around Tires: Front 225/40-18 / Rear 255/35-18


Real world Parts Used:

Hella Headlights - 90mm Halogen Low & High Beam Modules, HL68137 (low), HL68136 (high)
Hella Taillights - 3130 Series Agroluna
Front Turn Lamps - same ones used on the GTM

Miata 3rd Gen. Windshield tucked down in cowl area about 3"

Seats and ht. based on Corbeau Forza (upgrade) with 2" chassis frame on a 2.5" high seat bracket.
Corbeau Clubman would be the base seat.

Update: The distance from ctr front to wheel ctr is 32"

[Vman7]

I like having an air intake on the B-pillar kind of like the Miura. If you have an intake up high, though, what is the point of also having the intake in front of the rear wheels? You need air for engine intake and possibly for rear brake cooling, but that's not much air, and doesn't demand such a large intake.

In fewer words, it looks to me that you just have too much intake. Here are a few options:
* Take the air in up high from the B-pillar and flow it downward through the top mount intercooler, to discharge downward over the engine. The combustion cold air intake and the brake cooling can tap into the duct above and upstream of the intercooler. the advantage with this is that the air flows through the intercooler the same way as it does on the WRX so there is less modification that needs to be made. The disadvantage is that the hot air flow downward, forced by the ram action of the moving vehicle, it's motion opposes gravity. When stopped, therefore, convection will cause air to flow through the intercooler the wrong way, and the combustion air intake will be sucking up air that was warmed by the intercooler. Despite it's draw backs, I think this option is very nice due to it's direct, simple ductwork. And it looks slick. That's what I did on my submission:
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* Take the air in through the lower intakes and duct it through the intercooler backwards, in the up flow arrangement. The intercooler would discharge upward, possibly through a grill in the rear hood, where there is an aerodynamic low pressure zone. This grill could also ventilate the engine bay. As with the first option, the combustion cold air intake and the brake cooling can tap into the duct above and upstream of the intercooler. The advantage in this is that convection will cause air to flow through the intercooler the correct way. The disadvantage is that the ductwork will be longer, and more complicated. The intercooler will probably need to be relocated with respect to the engine and therefore repiped to the turbo and intake manifold. Also, a lower intake will take in more dust and water.
* Use the high, B-pllar intakes for the intercooler, and use a much smaller, low intake for the engine air and brake cooling. This way, the engine can't suck in hot air from the intercooler. It would look something like the Miura:
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All of that makes a lot of sense. What I could do is make the bottom vent not so deep, but keep the shape overall. Do an opening that is smaller, kind of like how the one works on the GTM. If that makes sense.

[Vman7]

The 'kink' in the side vent I was talking about (needs to flow better, more curve, less pinch in this spot)

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I had an Idea that was the area you were talking about. Once I work with BipDBo idea on that area, I'll rework that a little bit.

Just when I thought it was safe to leave something alone, I get another idea......lol

[Gummy]

I like the bottom picture, it matches the main side vent quite well.

[bbatts]

Sign me up for one. This is more realistic than than the other designs. Some of them are taking on the look of cartoon transformer.

For a street version, I would rank my favorites as follows.
1. Vman
2. Anthony Samboer
3. Xabier Albizu
4. Nouphone Bansisi

Full size models are in order and would likely sort out which one to build.

Small concern with the Vman's location of gas filler and tank. I think these should be in the front, away, from the engine.



B Batts
Nashville, TN


Vantage 2.0 side view progress. I redid the area between the wheels, doorline down and rear upper fender, added fuel door, side mirror and new wheels.

Now back to working on the front and rear areas on the side and details.

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5659&d=1320009832
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[2KWIK4U]

I thought I read somewhere that the fuel tank got moved from under the seat to behind it. Maybe I got that wrong?

[GS guy]

I thought I read somewhere that the fuel tank got moved from under the seat to behind it. Maybe I got that wrong?

That's the best location for it - changing fuel level (and weight) won't unbalance the car.

Hands down, Vman7 has the best looking overall design in my book! Definitely need to get this thing in 3D.

[Vman7]

Vantage 2.2 side view "Mock ups"

See if you can see what changed other then the short rear roof in the 2nd pic.

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6199&d=1321484622

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http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6200&d=1321484689

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I am thinking about taking 1" to 1.5" out of the front and the rear. Only problem I see, might be the headlights, I don't want to give it a Lotus Exige look. Right now the top headlight (main beam) is at 26" ht.

A lot of shading to do, but for right now you can get an idea of the layout I am working on right now.

Once I get the layout just right etc., then I will go back and reflect what changes I made on the side to the front and rear views.

Again, see what changes I made on the side view other then the short rear roof in pic 2. Give you a hint, one is on the front, one is in the mid section door area, and the last is on the rear fender area.

David

[vozproto]

Vman. I'm lovin your design and passion behind it. And I wanna see it get to the final round of car bodies for the 818. I have loved it since a few weeks back if not earlier. But based on Dave's comments, we have but 3 months to make the FINAL decision for the body shape. And it sounds like Dave would rather not use that full 3 months if not necessary.

So I'm concerned that you are gettin into a 'paralysis by analysis.'
You are trying to hash out the final 5% before you even have a 3d model that can be translated into a physical model. And in my mind the final 5-10% should be hashed out at the full scale level.

I'm just afraid that if that doesnt happen soon you are gonna miss that boat and we won't have the opportunity to vote on your vision.

[bbjones121]

the new swoopy side vent looks awkward.

[Xusia]

Vman7, rear diffuser is missing. And I could be wrong, but the windshield angle looks changed.

vozproto, I think you are under the impression we have a say. I don't think Dave ever said that. He definitely seems interested in, and listening to, our feedback, but that's a lot different that letting us decide.

[Vman7]

Vman. I'm lovin your design and passion behind it. And I wanna see it get to the final round of car bodies for the 818. I have loved it since a few weeks back if not earlier. But based on Dave's comments, we have but 3 months to make the FINAL decision for the body shape. And it sounds like Dave would rather not use that full 3 months if not necessary.

So I'm concerned that you are gettin into a 'paralysis by analysis.'
You are trying to hash out the final 5% before you even have a 3d model that can be translated into a physical model. And in my mind the final 5-10% should be hashed out at the full scale level.

I'm just afraid that if that doesnt happen soon you are gonna miss that boat and we won't have the opportunity to vote on your vision.

I hope it doesn't take me 3 months.....lol. Most of the changes are small and easy to do, so should not take long. Just trying to refine things here and there.


the new swoopy side vent looks awkward.

Same "swoopy side vent", just moved it down. Probably looks awkward since it is not blended in and the opening needs to be reblended and not look so deep.


Vman7, rear diffuser is missing. And I could be wrong, but the windshield angle looks changed.

Yes, rear diffuser is mising, working on an none diffuser more open look in back for stock version. Nope didn't change the windshield ange.......keep looking.

The changes are small, most people won't see them unless you compare them to a previous version. Think top of front bonnet and top of rear fender.

David

[Vman7]

Working on a "mock up" of the shorter version by 3" (1.5" front and 1.5" rear) and the orig. 2.0 side bottom vent just reshaped just a little and moved down. Plus the shorter rear roof.

[imom]

Vman,
The shorter roof makes the rear end looks even longer than it really is...so looking forward to seeing a new shorter version. I hope you don't remove the rear diffuser... it works really well with what you made for the rear view pictures...hate to see it go. Having said that...I do agree with vozproto..would be nice if you got into contact with FFR and submitting a 3D CAD files...like solidworks and seeing how FFR would adapter the design to fit the chassis. Rodney's design is almost a love it or hate it design. You get strong comments like comic and cartoon looking to the most awesome design that they would build right away. I believe the Vantage design is more classy and will look great for a long time. Rodney's design is very radical...so it's going to get attention...but putting the looks aside... the car is off balance in looks... when you modified the early shorten version of the Vantage, you said it looks like PUG looking.. it's not balance and the top is too high... I see that in Rodney's car.... while I appreciate Rodney's design... I believe the Vantage is better looking.

[Vman7]

Here is the New 2.2 side view "Mock up".

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6208&d=1321507226

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[Vman7]

Vman,
The shorter roof makes the rear end looks even longer than it really is...so looking forward to seeing a new shorter version. I hope you don't remove the rear diffuser... it works really well with what you made for the rear view pictures...hate to see it go. Having said that...I do agree with vozproto..would be nice if you got into contact with FFR and submitting a 3D CAD files...like solidworks and seeing how FFR would adapter the design to fit the chassis.

I kept the orig roof.
The rear diffuser isn't going anywhere, it will just be an opt. Stock version will be open.
Not sure how to just go about the 3D cad thing with FFR.

David

[Vman7]

Since nobody either didn't figure it out or just didn't post on what changed on the front and rear.

I lowered the front bonnet so the little hump is gone just in front of the headlight. I lowered the rear fender height about 1.5", which got rid of the slight hump that was in the old version.

David

[bbjones121]

Soooo many changes, it is like a "find what has changed" game now?

[Vman7]

Soooo many changes, it is like a "find what has changed" game now?

Really........lol

[imom]

Hi Vman,
I did some more tinkering.. I kept your shorter roof version...kept the rear end, but shorten the car...I lowered the front nose and shifted the wheel base a few inches..not much and then added a wide body front and "GTM" ish side vent to the rear engine. So here's your new short version
http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6208&d=1321507226

and my suggestions... just for fun I made it a coupe instead of targa. I think a new rear wing would balance the car, but I can't draw one well at all... so not going to show it. The wide body I made looks really bad...if you like it..maybe you can clean it up please. I like the idea of an extra wide car because it's a little car, but with potential to put a lot of power to weight... wide tires front and back will make it grip. I've tried several times to make drawings/suggestions, but it wasn't so well received...so I think this is the last time unless folks like it. I think my suggestions brings this car closer to lotus size.
http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6210&d=1321513160

Lastly...the rear diffuser really brings the car to proper size... the side back view looks out of place without it. I drew mine because your picture didn't have it.

[Vman7]

imom, if you stick around for a few. I'll post it again with the diffuser, "wide body front" which in mine really isn't, it's just the back half of the fender brought out for venting.

main problem with moving the wheelbase fwd is the headlight buckets you don't see. not enough room for them without going into wheel well area.

[Vman7]

imom, something like this

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6211&d=1321515353

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[imom]

Vman,
What about changing up the lights then? If you agree the car can be a little smaller...say bigger than lotus, but still smaller than your new size of 158.5 inches. Seems to me, you got the best rear view designs of all designs submitted. The side view should really have the same visual impact, while the same time, maximize all the body real estate for function... so to me, the body shape that I proposed is close to being well proportioned, but that is debatable... but you see having the smaller body, every part from it's wide front body with air vents for the front brakes, and exhaust for the front radiator...(I don't buy the downforce... lots of exotic cars don't have air vents on the hood...and yes many do) to the rear side vents has a purpose, not only for looks but function... not just empty space. So if you keep the headlights in the wheelwell space, seems to me in order to balance the car, it has to be stretched the car.

I dare say...why not make more of a Rodney O's front end, where the headlights are more in the bumper area? I think that front end is rather nice and the headlights won't eat into the wheelwell.

Lastly...can you open up the rear side vent more? ...kinda like what I had on my modified picture of your design...it's more aggressive with the bigger opening...plus divert a portion to the rear brakes and the rest to engine...so larger opening would be nice. Thanks.

[bromikl]

Vman, I think you'll find many things to change after you have it in 3D. The tiny refinements you are making now are eating time that could be better spent. I know you're having fun and all... :D

Do you need software? A co-designer? How can we help?

[2KWIK4U]

Vman,

The car you have designed with the tweaks is amazing. I may have to move from the "other" camp to yours. I do agree with imom that the side vent outline should be a mirror of the smaller top vent. Maybe a little more of a corner on the top of the lower vent?

I would be happy to build and drive this design.

[Vman7]

Vman, I think you'll find many things to change after you have it in 3D. The tiny refinements you are making now are eating time that could be better spent. I know you're having fun and all... :D

Do you need software? A co-designer? How can we help?

Need software? yes (3D Cad), time to learn it? no, at least not in time for this

Co-designer? yes, if that is somebody willing to do the design in 3D cad (wishful thinking....lol)

How can we Help? See above.....lol, actually not sure other then somehow getting the design into 3D cad, and maybe getting FFR's attention more, but I wouldn't push that last one, just let Dave and FFR do their thing.

David

[Vman7]

The side vent now is giving me the most trouble. I like the top vent a lot, and it's making it hard to get a bottom one to work with it, without making it too big. Now that there is air coming in at the top for the intercooler, the bottom one doesn't really need to be that big. Last night I must have worked on at least 6 different bottom vents, small ones, big ones etc. different shapes, going in different directions (leaning fwd). But in the end came down to really 2.

This one, which I like the best

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6208&d=1321507226
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and this one, maybe refine the top part of the bottom vent and reshade of couse. (ignore the front fender vent)

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6211&d=1321515353

[Vman7]

Not going to monkey around with this anymore. Going to start blending, and shading, finish up all views. Then start a new thread on finished model.

David

[BipDBo]

The side vent now is giving me the most trouble....

If that's the way you want that vent to look aesthetically, and it turns out to be larger than is needed, it can simply be made to be more shallow.

Is there any chance that this will ever make it into 3D? Has FFR ever communicated to you any interest in your design?

[Oppenheimer]

I have to agree on the 3D thing. I like the refinements you are working on, but you need to switch your focus to getting this design into a useable (by FFR) format. Work with someone to get this in 3D.

[imom]

Vman, why the "and this one, maybe refine the top part of the bottom vent and reshade of couse. (ignore the front fender vent)" ??? ... I think it would good with the wide body vent... but really have to wait to see the top view or get a 3D rendering from someone who can take these pictures and make them into solidworks drawing. Really do like the latest renditions of the Vantage... I did ask Dave Smith in another post about the Vantage, but never got a reply...he said he was in contacts with Rodney...had hope he would contact you as well or get someone to help you get a cad drawing.

[Vman7]

If that's the way you want that vent to look aesthetically, and it turns out to be larger than is needed, it can simply be made to be more shallow.

Is there any chance that this will ever make it into 3D? Has FFR ever communicated to you any interest in your design?

On the bottom vent, I was thinking more in the lines of the GTM, in function where only half of it would be open. It would have to be shaded different to relect that, which looks odd compared to the top, but would look good in real world.

Dave Smith has said a few comments here and there, but no real big interest, as far as I can tell.


I have to agree on the 3D thing. I like the refinements you are working on, but you need to switch your focus to getting this design into a useable (by FFR) format. Work with someone to get this in 3D.

I get that question a lot. I have put it out there, but unless somebody step foward and is willing to do that, I don't know anybody off hand.

FFR doesn't really need for it to be in 3D Cad, all they really need in line drawings from 4 views and then use those in 3D cad, a little more work, but that's for the most part how most start. I think at this point FFR doesn't really want to do that, and that why all the interest is on Rodney's right now.


Vman, why the "and this one, maybe refine the top part of the bottom vent and reshade of couse. (ignore the front fender vent)" ??? ... I think it would good with the wide body vent... but really have to wait to see the top view or get a 3D rendering from someone who can take these pictures and make them into solidworks drawing. Really do like the latest renditions of the Vantage... I did ask Dave Smith in another post about the Vantage, but never got a reply...he said he was in contacts with Rodney...had hope he would contact you as well or get someone to help you get a cad drawing.

Yes it would work well, but I would say for an option. Have to think real world and price to get the design to market for the price margin FFR is trying for.

David

[Vman7]

Just thinking to myself and one thing I don't get, but I may be reading this wrong, is the big interest in all of the "so called exotic" stuff, like headlights, tail lights, exhaust etc. Now I know on some that is not true all the way around. Everything on my design, headlights, tail lights, exhausts, seats, windshield, rear view mirror, side mirror etc. are all real world parts you get almost anywhere. Btw the windshield is a Miata 3rd gen as well as the side mirror (you can get a aftermarket one for less).

David

[Oppenheimer]

FFR wants this to be a single donor kit (a hallmark of their process). So anything that needs to be sourced that doesn't come from an Impreza, will need to be provided by FFR. It may actually be cheaper for them to source parts not intended for a production vehicle. So the idea of using parts from a Miata or other is not much appeal.

If this were not single donor, and builder was to procure their own parts, then stuff you can still get in decent shape from a wrecking yard or someone parting out a vehicle, would be very useful. But for a single donor kit, not so much.

[Vman7]

FFR wants this to be a single donor kit (a hallmark of their process). So anything that needs to be sourced that doesn't come from an Impreza, will need to be provided by FFR. It may actually be cheaper for them to source parts not intended for a production vehicle. So the idea of using parts from a Miata or other is not much appeal.

If this were not single donor, and builder was to procure their own parts, then stuff you can still get in decent shape from a wrecking yard or someone parting out a vehicle, would be very useful. But for a single donor kit, not so much.

Only thing from a miata is the windshield and side mirror. Not sure if they are trying to use the windshield off a impreza or not, if they are, all I have to say is ....good luck.....wrong shape big time!

On my design all lights are Hella, except the front turn, which are the same ones they use on the GTM. All the GTM lights are Hella from what I can tell. The roadster, Coupe 65 , and the '33 far as I know don't use any donor seats, lights or windshields.

None of the lights off an impreza/wrx will really work, since the years have different shapes etc., as far as the seats go........hmmmm.......not, at least not for me, they suck!

I believe most of the donor parts FFR is talking about, at least from what I can tell over the posts, which can get somewhat confusing.....lol, is mostly drivetrain, suspension, fuel tank etc., mostly frame related.

[RodneyO]

Man Vman =), I wish I had the time to help you on the 3d version of this design, but it isn't likely anytime soon. I can take a crack at a 3/4 scale sketch if you wouldn't mind that. I will just need your final side front and rear view posted when you get a chance.
cheers

[Vman7]

Man Vman =), I wish I had the time to help you on the 3d version of this design, but it isn't likely anytime soon. I can take a crack at a 3/4 scale sketch if you wouldn't mind that. I will just need your final side front and rear view posted when you get a chance.
cheers

Thanks Rodney, check your pvt. msg.s

David

[imom]

Pretty cool of Rodney to offer to help...given that his car is being considered by FFR... really like it that it's a community effort... I don't know if it's possible, but if FFR would be able to use the same chassis and made both bodies Rodney's and Vman's design... would give a lot of flexibility to the end customer. Can't wait to see next year how all this unfolds... can't decide to buy a new car now and then get an 818 later or just hold out for 818...

[Xusia]

Really? That's a real question?!? LOL

818 FTW!

[bbatts]

See post #270. The time is NOW to get moving. While you are futzing with the 5% details, the train is leaving the station. (Maybe already left.)

BB

[Flamshackle]

Vman. I'm lovin your design and passion behind it. And I wanna see it get to the final round of car bodies for the 818. I have loved it since a few weeks back if not earlier. But based on Dave's comments, we have but 3 months to make the FINAL decision for the body shape. And it sounds like Dave would rather not use that full 3 months if not necessary.

So I'm concerned that you are gettin into a 'paralysis by analysis.'
You are trying to hash out the final 5% before you even have a 3d model that can be translated into a physical model. And in my mind the final 5-10% should be hashed out at the full scale level.

I'm just afraid that if that doesnt happen soon you are gonna miss that boat and we won't have the opportunity to vote on your vision.

This^^ Love this car and would love to see it in 3D as I have already stated. Rodney if you are listening even a good sketch could bring this to life!

[Vman7]

I have finished the Vents for the side. There are 2 styles.

Now just need to finish up on the little details here and there.

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6290&d=1321988346
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http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6291&d=1321988404
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[Oppenheimer]

Prefer side vent presented in top view

[bbjones121]

Top option looks much better.

[imom]

Top option please... Vman...did you ever made a top view as well? Would love to see to this car from all sides including top view. I think with that... someone such as Rodney can help with 3D model. Thank you.

[Psay]

I like them both and when studied at length it is difficult to decide, however, my initial reaction was bottom one.

[GUNS]

Looks good!

[kach22i]

Alright Vman, you owe me an hour of my life back, just had to see this in 3D. Being the old fart I am, I did it by hand and I have to say it looks good, much more Elise-like than I would have thought. Of course this is just a rough approximation, but it opens up the door a bit conversation wise.

This is the underlay method I described earlier, both cars fit the template, just pushing some lines and curves around.
http://s184.photobucket.com/albums/x295/kach22i/Industrial%20Design/
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x295/kach22i/Industrial%20Design/kach22i-Vman-underlay.jpg

This is the line drawing (tech pen on Mylar) with a little hatching and texturing, did not get too crazy, not even the ground plane is added.
http://s184.photobucket.com/albums/x295/kach22i/Industrial%20Design/
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x295/kach22i/Industrial%20Design/kach22i-Vman-linedrawing-1.jpg

Is this what you imagined?

The roof has a little more arch to it than needed, and it is a little sloppy in areas and detail, but it gets the idea across, right?

With a little White-Out I can take the fender vent out, did what I thought was the latest thinking.

[Vman7]

hmm.....surprised about people so far liking the top (striaght bottom vent) pic. The bottom pic with the somewhat curved bottom vent actually works better, and I'll explain why later and post some drawings of why it flows better, it's all at how you look at the overall side view. Trust me there is a reason for it on how it all flows together and why.




Alright Vman, you owe me an hour of my life back, just had to see this in 3D. Being the old fart I am, I did it by hand and I have to say it looks good, much more Elise-like than I would have thought. Of course this is just a rough approximation, but it opens up the door a bit conversation wise.

This is the underlay method I described earlier, both cars fit the template, just pushing some lines and curves around.
http://s184.photobucket.com/albums/x295/kach22i/Industrial%20Design/
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x295/kach22i/Industrial%20Design/kach22i-Vman-underlay.jpg

This is the line drawing (tech pen on Mylar) with a little hatching and texturing, did not get too crazy, not even the ground plane is added.
http://s184.photobucket.com/albums/x295/kach22i/Industrial%20Design/
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x295/kach22i/Industrial%20Design/kach22i-Vman-linedrawing-1.jpg

Is this what you imagined?

The roof has a little more arch to it than needed, and it is a little sloppy in areas and detail, but it gets the idea across, right?

With a little White-Out I can take the fender vent out, did what I thought was the latest thinking.

Thanks George :) That's pretty close for doing is quick. The side front vent would be an option on the race model.

It drives me nuts not being able to use my printer/scanner I spent good money on, crazy software problems, for some crazy reason. Other wise I might have drawn up something myself on paper (a lot easier then on the computer) and scanned it.

Thanks again George :)

David

[Vman7]

Top option please... Vman...did you ever made a top view as well? Would love to see to this car from all sides including top view. I think with that... someone such as Rodney can help with 3D model. Thank you.

I just have a somewhat unfinished line drawing of the top, just for point to point refence, but nothing complete, not even in a line drawing.

[imom]

Thanks Kach22 for the line drawings...the 3/4 views is really cool. I especially like the bottom pic you made of Vman's design.
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x295/kach22i/Industrial%20Design/kach22i-Vman-linedrawing-1.jpg

So Vman... the rear end looks complete... and gets a lot of compliments... the side view looks pretty darn good too... Kach's rear 3/4 view shows a really sexy car... the things is the front view... doesn't WOW me as the rear end or the side views... not sure what's bugging me about it... doesn't give me the wow factor to it. Perhaps the front bumper area with the air intake...doesn't seem have HOF wow. Maybe it's just me... I only say it to help...not to rain on anyone's efforts... as you know...I really like your design. I think it's missing the aggressive WOW factor to the front... once that's tweaked... It's gonna have HOF appeal front any angle. Right now the 3/4 rear view looks really sweet...especially with the vented front fender. I like the fact that it does have a hint of GTM to it... without looking at all like a GTM.

Gotta feeling 3D model of this car is gonna win even more admirers... This thread now has been my favorite to read on this forum. Thanks!!!

I edited my post to also say... either top of bottom picture in terms of the rear intake vent to the brakes and engine... I could live with both... just had a preference for top picture, but even bigger vent...but you have a better eye to the flow of the design the car Vman. One small detail to keep in back of your mind if you like... please make the door handle hidden... it's a really cool thing Ferrari did... they hid the door handle into the vent... so you just reach down....feel for the door handle and grip to open the door.

[Gummy]

Hey Vman7,

I do agree with your choice for the bottom picture. I also feel that the bottom vent flows better with the rest of the body. I can't explain it, it just does. Looking forward to your upcoming pics.

[kitcarj]

I have finished the Vents for the side. There are 2 styles.






The top version appeals to my OCD. :D Must be the parallel lines, but I like the bottom one also because it flows in some way the top version doesn't.

[Flamshackle]

love the 3/4 images sketched up!

keep this dev coming I say :D

[Psay]

Kach the 3/4 drawings are excellent.

In the side elevation the rear just didn't seem to work for me although the actual rear view is superb (if you get what I mean). The 3/4 drawings have really brought it alive and to be honest it is much better that I visualised.

It will be interesting to see how the other designs turn out if they get the same treatment as this and Rodney's car.

[Vman7]

I didn't have time last night to look at Kach drawing in depth, but now that I have looked at it, pretty good for a quick sketch.

Only thing I noticed that really isn't on my design is the rear spoiler, where in Kach's sketch there is. On mine if you look at the rear view pic you will see what I am talking about. Now with that being said, my orig. design (1.0) there was a rear spoiler, but it looked too much like the 918 porsche, so I changed it. I might add a small lip there as a option, maybe.

David

[Niburu]

way to go Kach, now you've made it harder to decide on my favorite design

[kach22i]

Vman is right, the reason the rear looked a like a Elise to me was because I drew it that way, his is a little different in some important ways. I still don't have it right, but it is closer.

In lieu of using White-Out I used the photo program which came with my first digital camera over 10 years ago ACDSee. The more I use it, the more I find out I've been the bottle neck, not it's features.

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x295/kach22i/Industrial%20Design/kach22i-Vman-linedrawing-2.jpg

Better?

I like the plain simple front, but it looks much plainer as a line drawing than it would with a photo-realism rendering. No tone, reflections and so forth to give it "flash" could lead to unnecessary garnish being added, please hold the garnish and keep it simple.

I've drawn too much tone and detail in the headlight area, it did not need the black eyes I gave it. Once again, simple is better.

[mekeys]

George
Your sketches are getting better and better.But did anyone tell you the contest is over ??

Mel

[kach22i]

George
Your sketches are getting better and better.But did anyone tell you the contest is over ??

Mel
I've been drawing cars, aircraft, boats and buildings all my life. What makes you think I'm going to stop now?:cool:

[KickingAsp]

I definitely like the curved side vent on the bottom drawing better. The lines on this car are amazing!

[riptide motorsport]

I do like this car.

[kach22i]

Hello everyone, olpro once added some wheels and tone shading to a line drawing I posted (Photoshop or Sketchup).

Please feel free to try and add tone/shading (suggest gray) to the line drawings of Vman's design which I drew up last night.

[mekeys]

I've been drawing cars, aircraft, boats and buildings all my life. What makes you think I'm going to stop now?:cool:
I didn't mean to upset you.. I don't see any reason to stop.I'm a little like that myself..I'm not going to stop either..You got me beat tho..I have only been drawing cars and aircraft for the last 64 years,no boats or buildings tho..

Mel

[kach22i]

I didn't mean to upset you.. I don't see any reason to stop.I'm a little like that myself..I'm not going to stop either..You got me beat tho..I have only been drawing cars and aircraft for the last 64 years,no boats or buildings tho..

Mel
I meant my comment to be read in a light hearted spirit kind of way (I was not upset - see smile guy with sunglasses). I don't ever plan on growing up, never sounded like fun to me.

[STI4WRC]

"Your sketches are getting better and better.But did anyone tell you the contest is over ??"

I think "THE CONTEST" has really just started with Rodney's and Vman's designs thrown into the fire for serious consideration. That was my HOF reference. I'm still hoping I will get the chance to build Vman's design, but would also be alright building Rodney's as my second choice. Sorry, but the original four contest winners don't even come close to the wow factory of these latest two creations. I don't envy Dave trying to decide what my next track weapon is going to look like.

[Vman7]

Vantage 3.0 Finished side views

I'll do them in a color later.

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6384&d=1322512476
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http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6385&d=1322512567
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http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6386&d=1322512627
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[Vman7]

Optional Front Fender Vents

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6387&d=1322512793
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http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6388&d=1322512839
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[Vman7]

Oh crap!, I see I need to reshade the windshield, crazy grey line going from top to bottom in ctr is not the pillar on the other side, just came out that way, looks real good in the orig though.

[16g-95gsx]

Looks fantastic. Any way to get a 3/4 view?

[riptide motorsport]

Where dop I send my check,this car is so beautiful.:p

[slopoke]

great stuff ... CRAP!!! Now I can't decide. I am kinda partial to the coupe though, 'cause I'd like to think of it as a daily driver.

[Flamshackle]

Absolutely beautiful car V-man :~) a real headturner... I truly hope this sees the light of day!

[GUNS]

Looks great Vman. I'd be happy to build this, Rodney's, or Whetstone's. IMHO your design has come along way. I think this would look awesome in black.

[Flamshackle]

I think this would look awesome in black.

oh yea man! This design in black would be pure evil awesome :D

[riptide motorsport]

I see it/mine in a deep blood red/wine cOlored metallic pearl!!

[imom]

Hi Vman,
I thought the side vent could be more aggressive with a larger opening... just gave you a sample shot.
http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6403&d=1322557572


So I thought the front end needed that HOF wow factor to match the side and rear view... just decided to make some tweaks with a mazda 3 headlights...I also added a Subaru BRZ front lip... also the hood vent I moved down lower, but didn't finish the hood vent
http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6401&d=1322557521

And the last image, I added the SCION FRS bumper... just to give a sample of more aggressive bumper cover... I don't have the photoshop skills to blend the color or merge the images to look as a whole front end... I hope the Frankenstein picture doesn't throw off the idea of a different front end look. I'm sure some or most of my ideas won't blend as well...but maybe some of the ideas and be used to make the design look even more aggressive and match a very beautiful rear end that you made.

After the hood exhaust vent...I like to see a hump on the hood kinda like camaro...but I can't draw it...
http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6404&d=1322570406

Vman original rear end to show how it would match the front view
http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2254&d=1307466477

[Steve91T]

That lower hood vent wouldn't work at all. The point of the hood vent is to allow air exiting the radiator somewhere to go. That vent is sitting forward of the radiator.

[imom]

Actually just my poor mod drawing...but the lower hood vent sits right after...just a thin radiator....the vent is right after a thick one.

[imom]

I came across this car and though different reminds me a bit of the vantage modified version that I was suggesting. Zenvo ST1

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6444&d=1322699856

[kach22i]

Zenvo ST1
Nice car, but the side and rear haunch remind me more of Rodney O's.

I've seen this car before, it's as low as the K-1 attack if memory serves.

This one is even more like O's, but I mean that in a good way.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/off-topic-discussions/622809-new-supercar-built-michigan.html#post6175739
6457

You could go in circles all day saying which car looks like another.

[Niburu]

Dan Frederiksen would hate those cars

[Twinspool]

Dan Frederiksen would hate those cars

If a lingerie model offered to go home with him, he'd tell her that her elbows were too pointy.

[FFR-ADV]

Hi Vman,
I am really enjoying the wonderful work you are doing.

It is with humlity that I will throw in a sugestion that perhaps you consider the front fender vent from the 818 Carrera Design entry.

6477

If a roadster is choosen as a first design, I hope that there is some option to add a Targa top or coupe top such as the Zientop down the road.

6478

I really hope I get to put your design in my garage next year.

Keep up the great work!

[Vman7]

imom, working on the front, just wait:), not your idea, but I think you will like it, just refined to match the side.


Hi Vman,
I am really enjoying the wonderful work you are doing.

It is with humlity that I will throw in a sugestion that perhaps you consider the front fender vent from the 818 Carrera Design entry.

6477

If a roadster is choosen as a first design, I hope that there is some option to add a Targa top or coupe top such as the Zientop down the road.

6478

I really hope I get to put your design in my garage next year.

Keep up the great work!

Thanks:), btw like your avatar....hehe.

My first design had something like that front fender vent.

[Vman7]

<<<<throwing cold water on face after ears bleeding from listening to loud music on headset for a few hours, to try and stay motivated and focused.

Trying to stay motivated and focused, I needed some help, so like some I listened to some music. Depending on the graphics project I am working on I listen to certain music that relates to it.

So needless to say I played the music I have been using for the Vantage Project.

Thought I would share the songs here, maybe to help people see just how my vision was inspired by these songs. Some of the younger people may or may not know some of these songs.

First one is Adrenaline by Gavin Rossdale former lead singer of Bush, from the movie xXx (2002) with Vin Diesel. This song was also inspiration for my Adrenaline graphics, which I did a while back.

http://youtu.be/d3L0JVlHWWc

Second one is Speed by Billy Idol for the movie Speed (1994) with Keanu Reeves

http://youtu.be/rMmLT9EP37o

Third is the classic Thunderstruck by AC/DC

http://youtu.be/EKmYlnQv_dg


In the words of Billy Idol..........oowwww give me what I need.........I said speed White lightning
Let's speed, on speed
On wheels, on wheels
Com'on

oh how this brings back memories of crusing on Woodward Ave in Detroit back in the late '70s

[imom]

FFR-ADV Welcome to the forum

Vman, it's cool that you don't use the suggestions to the front end...just nice to give you a spark in your motivation to making something really cool that matches the rear end hotness of the vantage. Looking forward to the next coming front end designs... Thanks!!!

[FFR-ADV]

Thank you for the warm welcome!

Vman,

I hope you don't mind me borrowing the Avatar. Though I hope to replace it with a photo of it in my driveway. :cool:

Of your front vent designs my personal favorite is the straight vent like the GTM and Jim's 818.

6481

The Targa Top on your design gives some interesting options such as a "gullwing" targatop borrowing from this nice custom FFR hardtop:

6482

This gives a nice way to button it up including side windows, helps ease getting in and out (no need to invoke a no cameras rule while getting in or out). When you come to a covered toll both, it is as easy to open as a window (provided rain gutters are incorporated). It would give the option of full targa removal, T-Top with the upper gulwings removed and closed up when the weather turns against us. If it is raining, one could flip the window up and avoid rain on the seat. I would like to drive it as much of the year as possible.

Looking forward to seeing more of your fine work (maybe a top view?....) ;)

Cheers! :)

[Vman7]

Vantage 3.0 Spyder front view. New Air dam to match side view, new headlights, reshaded the top vent to show more of a curve to match opening for Rad., added side mirrors, opt. driving lights.

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6511&d=1323022083
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[imom]

Hi Vman,

I appreciate your hard work and giving us updates... I hope you don't mind me being frank to say that this isn't really major update...more like version 2.2 than a 3.0 update.

Your original
http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2257&d=1307466482

Your latest
http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6511&d=1323022083

As example
http://www.unoverse.com/factoryfive/VenomFront1.jpg
http://www.unoverse.com/factoryfive/VenomFront2.jpg

Rodney's was a major front end change.... I was hoping to have the vantage front end get the same kind of major update that gives the same wow factor as the rear end design... hope you're not offended... as is...it's still a really hot looking design. I would rather be interested in a holy cow WOW looking design that bump the 818 target cost of $15K to say $25K if that is affecting your decision to front end design process. I think your design will do that with some updates to the front end...but my opinion may be in the minority... lets see what others has to say... but end of the day...it's your design and you may just leave it as is...certainly your right to do so.

[Vman7]

imom, it's 3.0 mostly because of the side view, which the front now matches, and the latest side view it 3.0. Look at the air dam and see the difference between the new one and the old one, 2.2 front only had the headlight mock up, 3.0 has everything to match the side 3.0 version.

[GUNS]

I don't think Vman's front end needs a major change like Rodney's did. I think it looks great Vman.

[Flamshackle]

^^^Yes I concur! The front end of your design V-man needs NO CHANGE... It is stunning as is!

[FFR-ADV]

Vman, I really like the front end of your design as is. :)

Does anyone have ideas on how a front license plate (such as those required in my home state) might be incorporated without spoiling the great looks or diminishing cool air flow to the radiator or front brakes? It could be removed for track events, but are there solutions for every day?

This car is so hot that it could get a speeding ticket while parked, so just leaving the front license plate off probably isn't a good option. This car will be noticed and scrutinized in detail by admirers and enforcement as well.:rolleyes:

[riptide motorsport]

I want it!!!! Dave ... Produce it please!!

[imom]

Vman, I really like the front end of your design as is. :)

Does anyone have ideas on how a front license plate (such as those required in my home state) might be incorporated without spoiling the great looks or diminishing cool air flow to the radiator or front brakes? It could be removed for track events, but are there solutions for every day?

This car is so hot that it could get a speeding ticket while parked, so just leaving the front license plate off probably isn't a good option. This car will be noticed and scrutinized in detail by admirers and enforcement as well.:rolleyes:

If FFR decides to design in a front tow hook like the BMW Z4s, then you can use a product from gomini... please follow the link and you can see photo of the license plate mounted from the Z4 forums.

gomini or rhoplate (http://www.zpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=520061&highlight=gomini) is one example...there are a few others... including one that mounts underneath the car until parked and then pops out from the bottom.

With the tow hook off to the side...it doesn't block the radiator.

[Gearsmith]

Vman,

Your continued efforts are very much appreciated. I've been sitting back watching the evolution of your design. It has become one of my top -- if not my favorite -- designs here. I think it's great as-is, but will enjoy watching further experimentation with it if you choose to do so. Beautiful work!

[Vman7]

Thanks everybody!:)

On page 8, Post #310 I talked about how I would explain why the side door area vent flows better with a curve at the top of it compared to the straight one.

Here is a view of the guides lines (made way larger to see) of how the curves all work together. All the curve were done with intent for function and body flow, mostly the top vent for the intercooler. The top intercooler first version looked good, being longer but it made it hard for the airflow, since the air had to make a hard U turn back to the intercooler, so by shorting it the airflow has less of a so called U turn to make. Hope this makes sense.

Oh btw the grey area line you see under the door vent (mid door pink curve) is not a shadow, it actually goes on an angle into the door.

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6525&d=1323066965
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[skullandbones]

I agree with FFR ADV that the front end is a very strong design feature as is. On a couple of the other designs, the front is not as complementary to the rest of the design. IMO. WEK.

[FFR-ADV]

Thank you for the quick reply imom. Those are good options.

Vman, I appreciate your visual explanation of how the lines of the vents and wheel wells compliment each other. I really like the intake for the intercooler!

This design looks "real" as apposed to some which are almost a "caricature" of a car which shouts "kit" to my eyes. Its nice to see some of what lays behind "looking right."

[shinn497]

Sigh Vman as gorgeous as this design looks, I really want to see it in 3d.

Than again I have also been looking for a project to attempt to build in blender (yeah that's never happening).

[Vman7]

Vman, I appreciate your visual explanation of how the lines of the vents and wheel wells compliment each other. I really like the intake for the intercooler!

This design looks "real" as apposed to some which are almost a "caricature" of a car which shouts "kit" to my eyes. Its nice to see some of what lays behind "looking right."

Thanks :)


Sigh Vman as gorgeous as this design looks, I really want to see it in 3d.

Than again I have also been looking for a project to attempt to build in blender (yeah that's never happening).

I might do a sketch, if I have the time and if I can get my scanner to work again.

[Vman7]

Right now I am working on the rear view to get it up to date with the side view as well as working on some graphics for the Vantage for presentation, so called official logo for it. I was also debating the idea of changing the name to Adrenaline, since I already have it done. If I do a new one I was thinking a design like the Adrenaline one only with the colorse I used in the Banshee Logo.

[Xusia]

Perhaps it's because it's how I was introduced to the design, but I really like the name "Vantage."

[Vman7]

Perhaps it's because it's how I was introduced to the design, but I really like the name "Vantage."

I do as well, I thought about it a lot before I decided on it.

[Vman7]

Here is some eye candy until I finish up on the rear view.

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6629&d=1323207616
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http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6628&d=1323207566

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6630&d=1323207734
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[Vman7]

I wish Dave Smith would check this out more :), now that It's in a different color.

[riptide motorsport]

YUP!!!!!! Thats it..blood red/metallic burgundy.........lets do it!!!

[Flamshackle]

wow! this looks ace as V-man :D

[Xusia]

Holy I-REALLY-want-that-car situations Bat Man!

[kitcarj]

I just found this on one of Yahoo's top stories. It is a website where people offer to do all kinds of things for $5. This guy offers to draw any 2 cars for $5. I have never used the site or the person's service but it says he has been on the site for a year and has a 94% rating. Thought someone might find it interesting. Just make sure he doesn't keep the rights to the image.

http://fiverr.com/aznprodude12/draw-a-car-of-your-choice

[imom]

Probably in the minority again... but wouldn't the front look well matched to the back if it had some black trimming to it...

Anyways... red isn't my favorite color, but damn that's some sexy stuff (I was edited for saying another word).... I take it in red for sure.

Hey Vman...if we can't get solidworks...how about top view and 3/4 views front and back? I know I'm asking a lot...probably week of work or more... just asking :)

[mekeys]

the front and rear views are Fantastic,But for some strange reason looking at the side view it doesn't look like the same car..(my opinion) I think if the windshield was laid back more,that might do it..

Mel

[Vman7]

Well enough monkeying around with this, I have better things to do.

Since Dave Smith said "I like the Vantage design rear-end but it is too similar to the 918 for my comfort." Tells me that if I would have never shown or talked about the Porsche 918, people would have never put the Vantage and the 918 together, at least in the current version of the Vantage.

So as along a people are going to stay so fixated on the 918 thing, the Vantage will never survive.

Moving on to more important things in my life.

David

[bbjones121]

Well enough monkeying around with this, I have better things to do.

Since Dave Smith said "I like the Vantage design rear-end but it is too similar to the 918 for my comfort." Tells me that if I would have never shown or talked about the Porsche 918, people would have never put the Vantage and the 918 together, at least in the current version of the Vantage.

So as along a people are going to stay so fixated on the 918 thing, the Vantage will never survive.

Moving on to more important things in my life.

David

It is too similar because you have been unable to produce 3d renderings which would have changed peoples minds. The lack of such detail is what put this dead in the water. I thought this reminded me of a Porsche too much at first as well, but have grown to like it. I wish there was a chance, but without CAD or 3D perspectives it cannot go anywhere.

[Vman7]

It is too similar because you have been unable to produce 3d renderings which would have changed peoples minds. The lack of such detail is what put this dead in the water. I thought this reminded me of a Porsche too much at first as well, but have grown to like it. I wish there was a chance, but without CAD or 3D perspectives it cannot go anywhere.

Lack of detail my ***! you must be blind, even on the posted pictures (which are a lot smaller then the orig.s) show detail. The only one where you can't see the detail is on the side view, since it is so small compared to the orig. All the orig. are done in 1" scale.

Like I said enough is enough of screwing around with this.

[BipDBo]

Well enough monkeying around with this, I have better things to do.

Since Dave Smith said "I like the Vantage design rear-end but it is too similar to the 918 for my comfort." Tells me that if I would have never shown or talked about the Porsche 918, people would have never put the Vantage and the 918 together, at least in the current version of the Vantage.

So as along a people are going to stay so fixated on the 918 thing, the Vantage will never survive.

Moving on to more important things in my life.

David

Well, I'm sure that you feel frustrated, but please know you drew a very good looking car that got a lot of praise. I suspect that if you had it in 3D, it could be rendered next to a 918 and the difference in size and proportions would have revealed how dissimilar they are. The problem with the 3d criticism, though, is that not everyone has those resources. You did a great job with the time and resources you had. There's roughly 700 of us who will never see our vision on the road, but still look forward to seeing the few that will. Welcome to the 700 club.

[vozproto]

Vman,

It is a beautiful design and one to be proud of.
But don't be so hard on yourself, the fact that you mentioned the 918 has no real bearing.

I for one have always thought it looked very similar to the 918 and appreciated that as I am and always have been a fan of porsches.

And as I said in another thread, I have shown it to a buddy who is actually in the business of writing about cars, and porsche was the first thought that came to mind when I showed him your renderings.

[bbjones121]

Lack of detail my ***! you must be blind, even on the posted pictures (which are a lot smaller then the orig.s) show detail. The only one where you can't see the detail is on the side view, since it is so small compared to the orig. All the orig. are done in 1" scale.

Like I said enough is enough of screwing around with this.

Wow.. the detail I am talking about is in the 3D renderings. I made that very clear. Yes you did provide wonderful "2D" detail that is not what I am talking about.

[Vman7]

Vman,

It is a beautiful design and one to be proud of.
But don't be so hard on yourself, the fact that you mentioned the 918 has no real bearing.

I for one have always thought it looked very similar to the 918 and appreciated that as I am and always have been a fan of porsches.

And as I said in another thread, I have shown it to a buddy who is actually in the business of writing about cars, and porsche was the first thought that came to mind when I showed him your renderings.

I replied to that. I agree that it has at lot of Porsche in it, but not 918 at all anymore, but then again you can see a lot of porsche in a lot of real world cars as well.

People either love or hate porsches, but then you have to ask yourself, why does porsche out sell ferrari, lambo etc.

[Vman7]

Wow.. the detail I am talking about is in the 3D renderings. I made that very clear. Yes you did provide wonderful "2D" detail that is not what I am talking about.

Ok I get you, you mean views I think more then detail right?

[Vman7]

Don't get me wrong not mad or ticked off or anything like that, just frustrated at trying to figure out what the hell FFR wants, starting to think they really don't have a clue and are so set on trying to please so many and this crazy world vision crap. They have to really start thinking about who is really going to spend money and build this new design, instead of trying to please a world market, not going to happen. Just my opinion.

[bbjones121]

Ok I get you, you mean views I think more then detail right?

Correct, views, which is a form of detail. Sorry to not be clear.

[PhyrraM]

People either love or hate porsches, but then you have to ask yourself, why does porsche out sell ferrari, lambo etc.

Price.

[Vman7]

Correct, views, which is a form of detail. Sorry to not be clear.

No problem. That's what I hate about the internet, hard sometimes to get your point accross the way you mean....lol

[bbjones121]

Price.

^+1

[Vman7]

It would be nice if the rear of the Vantage would get used, like maybe on Jim's and do a different front on Jim's. I feel the best part of the Vantage is the rear view by far, maybe because I put the most work into it.

[Oppenheimer]

It would be nice if the rear of the Vantage would get used, like maybe on Jim's and do a different front on Jim's. I feel the best part of the Vantage is the rear view by far, maybe because I put the most work into it.

That would be awesome.

[Vman7]

If I had some really good front, rear and side pictures of Jim's design, I could help work on the rear and front, to get it to look a lot better.

[Vman7]

I think I just might finish up the rear view (the intercooler vents) for myself and my portfolio. I might just get back to doing my mods on the 65 coupe and the '33 which I like working on a lot more anyways since those are my favorite FFR cars. If you want to check out the mod.s you can do a search here in the 65 coupe and '33 forums for the links to the mod.s.

[imom]

Thanks Vman for your time and effort into making a really cool design...it would have been something I would have been proud of driving down the road... it was classic design where it's modern, but last through time. 65 coupe was never my thing... doesn't look proportioned and the 33 is really cool, but not really an easy daily driver car. I'm not sure what you do during the day, but having to learn a new tool such as solidworks is a valuable tool in the design and manufacturing industry. I have no clue what it cost to hire someone to translate your design into a solidworks file, but I would have chipped in to find out...though it would require at least 20 people to chip in as it's going to be at least 40 hours of work or more.

Anyways... I hope this experience doesn't detract you away from doing more designs in the future or making something completely new. Thanks again... it was fun and as you saw I had more interest in your design than other other presented. Thank you again.

[riptide motorsport]

Your 100% correct Vman:

"Don't get me wrong not mad or ticked off or anything like that, just frustrated at trying to figure out what the hell FFR wants, starting to think they really don't have a clue and are so set on trying to please so many and this crazy world vision crap. They have to really start thinking about who is really going to spend money and build this new design, instead of trying to please a world market, not going to happen. Just my opinion."

[GUNS]

Don't get me wrong not mad or ticked off or anything like that, just frustrated at trying to figure out what the hell FFR wants, starting to think they really don't have a clue and are so set on trying to please so many and this crazy world vision crap. They have to really start thinking about who is really going to spend money and build this new design, instead of trying to please a world market, not going to happen. Just my opinion.

They stated what they want and Dave doesn't want to use your design for his personal reasons. I know you are frustrated, but you need to get over it. Your design wasn't chosen in the competition and unless there is something that we didn't see, your design was never even considered. So I don't know why you are upset and acting like FFR owes you something. I respect and appreciate your effort into this and it looks great, but it's time to move on. I know it was a lot of work and you don't want to see it go to waste, but that's the nature of this kind of thing.

[imom]

GUNS, you are mistaken, Vman never submitted his design into the competition as he was a late to the game. Unless you have ever done some designs before, really blunt and easy for you to say when a lot of work has been put into a design. The other issue is right now I look at Rodney's Venom and there's so many off proportion about that car it irks me and I have to (for fun) figure out how to make it look right. I have no intent or interest in getting into verbal debates or attacks with you: just saying ahead of time, just think it's not very pleasant for someone say such things as you are now.... kinda like a MMA fighter training for 4 months and coming up short or losing to a controversial decision and some person off the street and say "get over it"... it's easy to say from afar and in front of a computer. I say that with all respect to you.

[GUNS]

GUNS, you are mistaken, Vman never submitted his design into the competition as he was a late to the game. Unless you have ever done some designs before, really blunt and easy for you to say when a lot of work has been put into a design. The other issue is right now I look at Rodney's Venom and there's so many off proportion about that car it irks me and I have to (for fun) figure out how to make it look right. I have no intent or interest in getting into verbal debates or attacks with you: just saying ahead of time, just think it's not very pleasant for someone say such things as you are now.... kinda like a MMA fighter training for 4 months and coming up short or losing to a controversial decision and some person off the street and say "get over it"... it's easy to say from afar and in front of a computer. I say that with all respect to you.

Yea I get that and I really do appreciate the hard work that went into this, but Vman did this on his own knowing that he missed the deadline for the competition and had no indication that his design would ever be considered. FFR doesn't owe him anything and IMHO he's lucky he even got an explantation as to why they aren't going to use his design.


With that being said, I think some of his design elements would work well in Xabier's design. But this isn't my call, it's not yours, and it's not Vman's.


I'm not trying to come off as disrespectful or downplay Vman's hard work at al, I'm just stating reality.

[Xusia]

Reality can ALWAYS be stated kindly... :)

[GUNS]

Reality can ALWAYS be stated kindly... :)

Like I said, I didn't intend to come off as mean, but I get a little aggravated when someone states "trying to figure out what the hell FFR wants, starting to think they really don't have a clue and are so set on trying to please so many and this crazy world vision crap" just because their design isn't being used. It's immature to assume that you know more about the design goals of a company that you are in no way affiliated with. Just my opinion of course.

[Vman7]

GUNS, you really need to read posts better!

[imom]

Hey Vman,
If you haven't read on the other thread... quotes from Dave:

"I might go more towards Vmas design after the first model launches since the platform will be so USEABLE and in production. The most important thing is to get the body right, the second thing is to launch as soon as possible assuming the HARD and IMPORTANT pre-production testing and beta building is complete."

So I believe you should continue to make some views of the vantage for the sake of the community... certainly a lot of us still really appreciate that. I hope you do...Thanks again.

[Vman7]

Hey Vman,
If you haven't read on the other thread... quotes from Dave:

"I might go more towards Vmas design after the first model launches since the platform will be so USEABLE and in production. The most important thing is to get the body right, the second thing is to launch as soon as possible assuming the HARD and IMPORTANT pre-production testing and beta building is complete."

So I believe you should continue to make some views of the vantage for the sake of the community... certainly a lot of us still really appreciate that. I hope you do...Thanks again.

Yeah I read it about 10min.s after Dave wrote it. Dave said "THAT is a definite possibility." Which sounds good. I would be glad just to see a coupe done in Classic lines, whether it's the Vantage or not, as long as there is a option in the future for a classic style one.

[imom]

Vman,
So does this mean you will continue with other views...such as the 3/4 front and back and top view?

[FFR-ADV]

Vman,

I still think you have the best Targa/Coupe design I have seen on the forum. It is has great curves, and they all serve a purpose. I think the engine air intake has been artfully incorporated, yet provide cool air for an intercooler, with unique interplay with the rear brake vent. My colleagues at work are stunned by this design, knowing that the underlying performance will be equally compelling. Folks who had never considered building a car are considering it if a coupe like this is produced by FF. This design just makes me smile.

I expect that you will bring the same level of design sense of form and function to the interior. Looking forward to seeing that.

I hope that Factory Five chooses to make something very close to your design. as I would like to see it in my own garage.

As the FFR saying goes regarding another classic coupe, "It may not be the car for everyone, but it is the only car for some..." Please keep up this great work.

[riptide motorsport]

yup, good stuff,per Dave Smith:

"THAT is a definite possibility. At this point I don't want to put anybody off but I wanted to be clear about where the work was right now, the fact that I've sorta chosen the affordable roadster config as the first launch model and that the future is wide open with respect to body designs Coupe, Track car, etc. I might go more towards Vmas design after the first model launches since the platform will be so USEABLE and in production. The most important thing is to get the body right, the second thing is to launch as soon as possible assuming the HARD and IMPORTANT pre-production testing and beta building is complete"

[imom]

Hey Vman,
I saw your other post... I think there's plenty of details for now in terms of the rear, side, and front.... I think more helpful if the top and 3/4 views would fill in the pieces of the puzzle and may spark even more interest into this design...just saying. Glad to hear your are continuing... Thanks!!!

[Vman7]

Vman,
So does this mean you will continue with other views...such as the 3/4 front and back and top view?
Top maybe in so called "real" look like the ones now, as far as 3/4 views probably done in sketch form.


Vman,

I still think you have the best Targa/Coupe design I have seen on the forum. It is has great curves, and they all serve a purpose. I think the engine air intake has been artfully incorporated, yet provide cool air for an intercooler, with unique interplay with the rear brake vent. My colleagues at work are stunned by this design, knowing that the underlying performance will be equally compelling. Folks who had never considered building a car are considering it if a coupe like this is produced by FF. This design just makes me smile.

I expect that you will bring the same level of design sense of form and function to the interior. Looking forward to seeing that.

I hope that Factory Five chooses to make something very close to your design. as I would like to see it in my own garage.

As the FFR saying goes regarding another classic coupe, "It may not be the car for everyone, but it is the only car for some..." Please keep up this great work.

Thanks :), I have already been designing an interior, mostly just sketches of ideas and gathering spec.s for gauges etc.


yup, good stuff,per Dave Smith:

yeppers! I plan to repost that here and with my response, pretty soon.

[Vman7]

Repost from New Renderings of the Clay Models Coming Soon? Thread


THAT is a definite possibility. At this point I don't want to put anybody off but I wanted to be clear about where the work was right now, the fact that I've sorta chosen the affordable roadster config as the first launch model and that the future is wide open with respect to body designs Coupe, Track car, etc. I might go more towards Vmas design after the first model launches since the platform will be so USEABLE and in production. The most important thing is to get the body right, the second thing is to launch as soon as possible assuming the HARD and IMPORTANT pre-production testing and beta building is complete.

Dave, I totally agree with that thinking. I knew that you and FFR talked about that early on. Some where, I can't remember in which thread, I said for the most part that my design was leaning more toward the coupe and that it would probably be a possible choice done later or something to that effect or at least I think I did.....lol, hmmm maybe I just been thinking it along...lol (waving hands like Nicolas cage in the scene with Sean Connery in the sewer in the Movie The Rock) anyway, it all makes sense. Have to get a design out that fits all of FFR's requirements for that selling point, which then FFR can build on, which then can lead to other options like different body styles.

Anyhoot! I am going to talk about it some more in my Vantage Thread, on how I am going to go foward with the design with more detail.

David

[Vman7]

Ok now that is out of the way....lol

Ok how should I say this without coming accross as being over-bearing.....lol

First off I should probably makes this very clear.

The intention from the beginning of the Vantage has always been a Coupe design with classic lines, knowing very well that it might not be chosen for FFR's first run of cars, and that it might become a choice further done the road. Now that we know that is a reality for the first design of FFR, which we all knew was going to be a Roadster/Spyder mostly for cost reasons. There is still hope that the Vantage could be in the future for a coupe version/Classic lines.

Now on to some detail about where I am heading on the design.

- Looking into maybe raising the roof height about an inch, will see how it looks.

-Reshaping the front fenders from the front view (since you won't be able to see it from the side view). I am thinking about something along the lines of the GT40, just the top area of the fenders to take a little more of that "porsche" look out of it. But if it takes away too much from the overall design I won't, just have to see how it looks.

- Work on more detail in certain areas for close ups.

-Line drawings for more acturate detail for CAD use, including x,y and z lines say about every 12" to build a model from.

-Notes on details about certain parts like seat options, taillights, headlights etc.

-Laying out a Dash board and center console design.

Then on to a presentation layout with Vantage graphics with a slogan. I was thinking of something like: Classic Body Styling with the hearbeat of FFR modern innovation. or something along those lines, since that is how I think of the design.

That is somewhat of how I came up with the name Vantage, because that's what you would have.

dictionary.com
van·tage   /ˈvæntɪdʒ, ˈvɑn-/ Show Spelled[van-tij, vahn-] Show IPA
noun
1. a position, condition, or place affording some advantage or a commanding view.
2. an advantage or superiority: the vantage of wisdom that often comes with age.
3. British . advantage ( def. 5 )

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vantage (ˈvɑːntɪdʒ)

— n
1. a state, position, or opportunity affording superiority or advantage
2. superiority or benefit accruing from such a position, state, etc

You will have to excuse me for my detail, I have always been meticulous, pretty much in almost everything I do. It's a blessing and a curse...lol

David

[kitcarj]

Just an idea to get it in 3D. Do you have a local college with a design class. Maybe they could take it on as a project for experience, fun and/or for there portfolio.

[Idesign]

I have offered my services free of charge.. Waiting to hear back from Dave.

[Vman7]

I have offered my services free of charge.. Waiting to hear back from Dave.

I must have missed that......opps!

send me a private msg on what you need.

David

[Vman7]

Just an idea to get it in 3D. Do you have a local college with a design class. Maybe they could take it on as a project for experience, fun and/or for there portfolio.

That's a good idea, I might have to look into that, thanks!

[Oppenheimer]

...a slogan. I was thinking of something like: Classic Body Styling with the hearbeat of FFR modern innovation. or something along those lines, since that is how I think of the design.

I know you just threw that out there as part of a random spew of thoughts, without taking time to word-smith it. I figure you were going to worry about that later. So allow me to take a crack at it:

Classic Vman styling, modern FFR innovation.

Classic design outside, modern innovation inside.

Classic shape, modern heartbeat.

I'm sure others can improve further...

[Vman7]

I know you just threw that out there as part of a random spew of thoughts, without taking time to word-smith it. I figure you were going to worry about that later. So allow me to take a crack at it:

Classic Vman styling, modern FFR innovation.

Classic design outside, modern innovation inside.

Classic shape, modern heartbeat.

I'm sure others can improve further...

Contest, or a poll?........lol

[FFR-ADV]

The intention from the beginning of the Vantage has always been a Coupe design with classic lines, knowing very well that it might not be chosen for FFR's first run of cars, and that it might become a choice further done the road. Now that we know that is a reality for the first design of FFR, which we all knew was going to be a Roadster/Spyder mostly for cost reasons. There is still hope that the Vantage could be in the future for a coupe version/Classic lines.

Now on to some detail about where I am heading on the design.

- Looking into maybe raising the roof height about an inch, will see how it looks.

-Reshaping the front fenders from the front view (since you won't be able to see it from the side view). I am thinking about something along the lines of the GT40, just the top area of the fenders to take a little more of that "porsche" look out of it. But if takes away too much from the overall design I won't, just have to see how it looks.

- Work on more detail in certain areas for close ups.

-Line drawings for more acturate detail for CAD use, including x,y and Z lines say about every 12" to build a model from.

-Notes on details about certain parts like seat options, taillights, headlights etc.

-Laying out a Dash board and center console design.

Then on to a presentation layout with Vantage graphics with a slogan. I was thinking of something like: Classic Body Styling with the hearbeat of FFR modern innovation. or something along those lines, since that is how I think of the design.



If I had some really good front, rear and side pictures of Jim's design, I could help work on the rear and front, to get it to look a lot better.

Vman,

I think this is a great offer to colaborate between you and FFRs greater team.

I am personally excited to see what comes from your stated plans and the colaborations which are now budding!

Thank you for continuing work on this design!

[bbjones121]

Hey Vman, Check out these websites for 3d model info, http://www.shapeways.com/, http://www.emachineshop.com/,

[Vman7]

Hey Vman, Check out these websites for 3d model info, http://www.shapeways.com/, http://www.emachineshop.com/,

Thanks :) The eMachine one looks interesting.

[gorilla]

We need to get an update on this one please.

[slopoke]

Is there an effort to get your design into 3D? ... Sorry if I'm showing my impatience.

[Vman7]

I downloaded Blender 2.61, so I'll see how it goes. I tried Blender 2.47 back in '08 and got frustrated with trying to learn it......arrhhh. I hope to get up to speed on this version, all depends on how good the tutorials are I guess to learn in interface etc.

[818_Fan_15]

Could you post interior sketches? This is one of my favorite designs.

Too bad FFR won't build a car prettier than the GTM. (It would drive sales away, from a car with higher markup. Same reason the Porsche Cayman is neutered.)

[818_Fan_15]

Could you post interior sketches? This is one of my favorite designs.

Too bad FFR won't build a car prettier than the GTM. (It would drive sales away, from a car with higher markup. Same reason the Porsche Cayman is neutered.)

[GUNS]

Could you post interior sketches? This is one of my favorite designs.

Too bad FFR won't build a car prettier than the GTM. (It would drive sales away, from a car with higher markup. Same reason the Porsche Cayman is neutered.)

The GTM and 818 are apples and oranges. I doubt that FFR us worried about the 818 taking away from the GTM. It's essentially opening up an entirely new market for them.

[Silvertop]

The GTM and 818 are apples and oranges. I doubt that FFR us worried about the 818 taking away from the GTM. It's essentially opening up an entirely new market for them.

Totally agree. And if FFR was worrying about taking sales away from the GTM, they likely wouldn't produce the 818 at all. As you point out, it is going after a completely different market niche.

For that matter, the Porsche Cayman is going after a different market niche than its more expensive stablemates, too. People who want a 911 Carrera (or whatever the current nomenclature is) will buy one, if they can afford it. The Cayman is targeted for a person who wants a Porsche but maybe can't afford the more expensive car. Or for the guy who likes the Boxster, but doesn't want the soft top. After all, that's really what the Cayman is -- A Boxster Coupe. Under the skin, pretty much the same car.

Not really sure it is fair to label the Cayman as "neutered". It was simply designed for a different application, a performance car that included a certain level of affordability.

[Oppenheimer]

Confused. Are we discussing looks or performance here? FFR won't let 818 look prettier than GTM = P won't let Cayman go faster than 911?

Regardless, its apples-oranges to me, too. Would FFR deliberately numb 818 looks so as not compete with GTM? Why would they? There is the potential to sell a lot of 818 kits. So many, that even if margins are lower, they could make a lot more then they make selling GTM's. Besides, they can always make the next version of the GTM look even hotter.

[Silvertop]

Confused. Are we discussing looks or performance here? FFR won't let 818 look prettier than GTM = P won't let Cayman go faster than 911?

Regardless, its apples-oranges to me, too. Would FFR deliberately numb 818 looks so as not compete with GTM? Why would they? There is the potential to sell a lot of 818 kits. So many, that even if margins are lower, they could make a lot more then they make selling GTM's. Besides, they can always make the next version of the GTM look even hotter.

Both, I think. Primary initial comment by 818_Fan_15 was about FFR intentionally limiting the "prettiness" of the 818. His comment about the Cayman being "neutered" would seem to be directed at its performance potential (though that is not entirely clear) rather than its styling, which is pure Porsche. I think (but I may be wrong) that the common denominator in his assumption is that FFR is going to intentionally impair the 818 so as not to compete with the GTM, just as Porsche intentionally impaired the Cayman to keep it from stealing sales from their other, higher-end cars. If I interpreted that correctly, I believe that both halves of the assumption are wrong. FFR is almost certainly NOT concerned about that, and I don't think Porsche was either. If I misunderstood, I hope 818_fan_15 will forgive. It's just my opinion.

In any event, I completely agree with you. FFR will make the car look as pretty (Hair-on-Fire good looks) as they can while still meeting the original design goals -- which is a fast, affordable, easy-to-build, lightweight, mid-engined little sports car kit that LOTS and LOTS of folks will want to buy.

[speedboy]

I downloaded Blender 2.61, so I'll see how it goes. I tried Blender 2.47 back in '08 and got frustrated with trying to learn it......arrhhh. I hope to get up to speed on this version, all depends on how good the tutorials are I guess to learn in interface etc.

Hi Vman, a 3d model is really the only way to convey your final design with this type of project. Blender is really amazing for open source software and can definitely be used for design. Some Blender advice: Blender Cookie and Blender Guru are great for tutorials, when designing an accurate model, make every Blender unit equal to 1 millimeter.

[Vman7]

Speedboy, I have been using the Blender Cookie tutorials, I'll have to check out the Blender Guru one, thanks:)

I am starting to layout the line drawings and at the same time familiarize myself with the Blender interface, not sure how long it going to take to get up to speed to the point where I can start designing the Vantage in Blender, I hope no longer then a month.

[Flamshackle]

Vman, very exciting to see you taking the concept further and learning new skills...

My personal top picks are now yours, Rodney O's and Xabiers. Hands down the BEST looking cars IMO.
I CANT WAIT to see yours in a 3D view :D

Amazing work, stunning look and commendable persistence! keep going strong Vman!

[riptide motorsport]

I agree with Flamshakle

[slopoke]

Any late breaking news? ... just anxious I guess

[riptide motorsport]

Check it out....Slopoke is anxious!!!!! LOL!

[mekeys]

He is not the only one.

Mel

[keys2heaven]

I agree on a status update from Dave. If body is to be final in 2 months, then surely we can get an update.

[FFR-ADV]

Hi Vman,

Hope you had a nice holiday. I know you had a long list of things planned including learning Blender to create a 3D model.

In the mean time, I have added some classic GT Stripes to the front view of your wonderful design. :D

7323

[FFR-ADV]

7344

The Targa Vantage Rear View is so Smokin Hot!

Cheers!:D

[slopoke]

+1 !!!

[riptide motorsport]

jusT SMASHING!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Vman7]

I like the GT stripes!!

Just doing an update on where I am on everything.
Right now mostly working on the line drawings, getting ready for Blender. As far as learning Blender, I haven't spent a lot of time with it yet, but I hope to get up to speed on it, soon I hope.

David

[kach22i]

Vman/David, have you examined how much side headroom you have?

That rear view seems to indicate that if the driver looks sideways his nose will touch the side glass.

Maybe the view I looked at is enhanced by perspective and is not a true rear elevation.

[Vman7]

Vman/David, have you examined how much side headroom you have?

That rear view seems to indicate that if the driver looks sideways his nose will touch the side glass.

Maybe the view I looked at is enhanced by perspective and is not a true rear elevation.

Yes to all the above......That's part of what I am doing in the line drawings, making sure everything fits and works :)

[Gummy]

Vman7, any luck with the drawings?

Looking forward to it.

[carbon fiber]

looks familiar.

[Niburu]

Have you read this thread? Do you know what the Vantage design was started from?

[Vman7]

I haven't worked on the Vantage since Jan. Not sure if I am going to or not, a lot depends on the progress FFR is making on there design. I know I said the Vantage could be a design down the line later for the for "Classic" style. Have to wait and see I guess.

David

[WonderDude]

Vantage 3.0 Finished side views

I'll do them in a color later.

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WOW! I hadn't seen these pix yet. This car looks awesome here!

Love the Targa :D

[bbjones121]

I gave this design a lot of grief before, but I think i like it the best now. Most refined design. It looks like a manufactured car, not a kit in the slightest.

[riptide motorsport]

I agree.

[xscott]

I can only wish this gets built one day

[Kwizatz-haderah]

Amazing

[xray41]

This is my favorite design by far.
Great work.

[unclebigbad]

Damn, that's nice.

[bbjones121]

If it looks anything like the Porsche 918, this would be sweet. I just saw six 918 hybrids in person parking and covering for the night at a local Marriott. They were passing through Denver doing high altitude testing I assume.


looks familiar.

[Turboguy]

V-man, you REALLY have some skill here.


If you're looking for another project to make your mark with, a front end re-body of the GTM might be just the ticket. Both Gen I and II of the car look very awkward (aside from the recycled GT40 lights that just don't work with the lines). There is a decent base of kits being built out there to sell to, and the modest scope of the project could enable you to get something off the ground $$$ wise.

There is a very experienced composites guy in the Pittsburgh area who has done plenty of kit car work, from prototype to production. If you don't already know him, I can dig contact info up for if you'd like to talk to him. I've seen his work and think he could just be the perfect compliment to bring your visions to life.

[chmhasy]

V-man I use Blender all the time, the learning curve is very steep, there is a good pdf here to start with http://www.cdschools.info/blenderbasics/ and then look at blenderguru. Just follow his tutorials and you will be building cars and stuff in no time.

good luck

[Vman7]

V-man, you REALLY have some skill here.

If you're looking for another project to make your mark with, a front end re-body of the GTM might be just the ticket. Both Gen I and II of the car look very awkward (aside from the recycled GT40 lights that just don't work with the lines). There is a decent base of kits being built out there to sell to, and the modest scope of the project could enable you to get something off the ground $$$ wise.

There is a very experienced composites guy in the Pittsburgh area who has done plenty of kit car work, from prototype to production. If you don't already know him, I can dig contact info up for if you'd like to talk to him. I've seen his work and think he could just be the perfect compliment to bring your visions to life.

Thanks :)

I really haven't thought about going with another company, I would rather work with FFR. Now maybe in the future for a body done with an outside vendor to be used on the 818 might be an option, but I doubt that would really be cost effective.
I'll keep your offer in mind on the contact info.

As far as the GTM goes, I did a drawing of a idea for a complete body change, it was designed for something else but could be modified to work on the GTM. Not sure where the thread is in the GTM section, might have to do a search.


V-man I use Blender all the time, the learning curve is very steep, there is a good pdf here to start with http://www.cdschools.info/blenderbasics/ and then look at blenderguru. Just follow his tutorials and you will be building cars and stuff in no time.

good luck

Thanks, I have looked into blender, just really haven't got around to it, not sure when I will.