Budget Coyote questions.

[David_Ingermann]

Hi, all I'm thinking about putting a Coyote into my daily ('67 comet) and am looking to keep it under 8k but I figured you guys would know about this better than anyone and it still pertains to roadsters.
So the question is how to source a Coyote the cheapest, and what all I'd need to get it to run in an older car/kit car.
I'm thinking about getting something like this
http://www.ebay.com/itm/11-14-MUSTANG-COYOTE-ENGINE-LIFTOUT-5-0L-MOTOR-W-6-SPEED-MANUAL-TRANS-381061-/311634242744?fits=Make%3AFord&hash=item488ed92cb8:g:tnwAAOSw-4BXXvS2&vxp=mtr
I'm looking to do a manual also and it looks like it comes with the computer too. anyone see anything missing that i'd need to make it run? (aside from mounts and headers) If so how much am I looking at?
Also what problems might I face getting it to run without some of the sensors and such? or would I need to buy and wire those up too?

Thanks for any input!

[Mike N]

Check out this thread by John George on installing an F150 sourced Coyote motor.

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showthread.php?18991-F150-Coyote-in-FFR-48-NASA-ST2&highlight=f150

The F150 motors seem to be significantly less $$ than the Mustang ones. If you are on a budget this could be a good way to go.

[stevenburgess]

Go to the ford dealer and talk to the service guy and ask him what he can get it for. I picked mine up for 6400 not including the control pack. It's a new one and not an 11-14

Everywhere else water 7400

[johngeorge]

I sourced my F150 junkyard motor from this site: http://car-part.com/ they currently cost between $2300-$2500 for a whole engine assembly.

[David_Ingermann]

Thanks for the F-150 motor tip! do keep in mind I am trying to get a 6 speed manual too. Those did not come with the f-150's so I'd have to buy separate and mate them. But as for accessories to make the motor run the factory computer should work? no need for sensors etc?

-update i've found the difference for a good motor and trans is about $1,200 between the f150 and mustang motors, but the difference is 55hp. I'll still keep it in mind but i'm leaning towards the hp :D

[dmoran]

Yup - that's how it goes for me too. Start with the best of intentions for budget but HP wins every time :-) Shiny usually comes in a close second...

Good luck!
Doug

[edwardb]

Thanks for the F-150 motor tip! do keep in mind I am trying to get a 6 speed manual too. Those did not come with the f-150's so I'd have to buy separate and mate them. But as for accessories to make the motor run the factory computer should work? no need for sensors etc?

It's been some months since I've researched, but I don't think it's an easy proposition to use the old Coyote computer out of a donor car. The computer is tied to the VIN of the original vehicle and various security and immobilizer functions are not easily cracked. Something I'd highly recommend you check. As I understand, there are aftermarket solutions (e.g. a difference PCM) or the Ford Racing crate motor controls pack which includes a new factory PCM and a special program. Other than the O2 sensors, the rest of the sensors are on the engine itself. That shouldn't be a big issue. I'll be interested to see if others have more up-to-date information and options for this.

[Mike N]

but the difference is 55hp.

John George de-tuned his F150 motor and still kicks butt. Watch a couple of his in car video's. Only you will know it has 55 less HP unless you advertise the fact, or plan on drag racing it when it's done. For road use up to 60 mph you will be traction limited whether you have the extra 55 HP or not. ;) Not trying to talk you out of spending the money, more HP is always good, just trying to add a little perspective.

[unrealmach1]

To quote Jay Leno "Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races.” I don't believe there is much of a difference in torque between the Mustang and F150 coyote motors. Maybe like 10 lbs-ft? When I was researching for my coyote build FFR actually recommended the F150 motor.

[edwardb]

To quote Jay Leno "Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races.” I don't believe there is much of a difference in torque between the Mustang and F150 coyote motors. Maybe like 10 lbs-ft? When I was researching for my coyote build FFR actually recommended the F150 motor.

Difference between the F150 Coyote and the Mustang GT Coyote version:

2016 F150 Coyote: HP 385 @ 5750 rpm, torque 387 @ 3850 rpm

2016 Mustang GT: HP 435 @ 6500 rpm, torque 400 @ 4250 rpm

The newest Coyote crate advertises the same HP and torque rating as the Mustang. No surprise. It's a Mustang GT manual shift version off the same assembly line.

Differences between the F150 and Mustang version, as I understand, are cams (lower lift), intake and the tuning for torque at lower RPM. Also the compression is lowered to 10.5:1 and has a different oil cooler setup. I've also heard there are minor changes to the accessory attachments on the block.

[bansheekev]

I literally stopped by a junk yard on the way home tonight to inquire about a coyote from a 2013 F150 for my 69 Ford Bronco project. 35k miles including all front drive accessories including AC for $2000. My crate coyote for my MKIV was $6200. I'm planning on swapping the intake to a mustang one including the injectors which a local FFR 33 builder is giving me for nothing and using the headers from my crate motor. Done!

Kevin

[Chuck Sloggett]

Will it fit in a 67 Comet? The 67 Comet was available with a 390 FE but it was a very tight fit, I think the Coyote is wider that the FE. -- Chuck

[unrealmach1]

I am not sure about a Comet, but I have seen them in 67 Mustangs. In the Mustang, which I believe is same structure as a Comet, it is necessary to switch to a Mustang II style front suspension and remove the shock towers.

[David_Ingermann]

Good question. The coyote is 29" wide and my shock towers are 29" appart. (I believe 4" wider than the 'stangs) so the answer is no, not directly but if I notch the towers and replace the material with some thicker angle it should be plenty strong. I'd be the first to do it in a comet that I know of though so I guess I'll find out.

[unrealmach1]

Mustangs and Fords did an article on coyote fitment in different Fords. Here is the link.
http://www.mustangandfords.com/how-to/engine/mdmp-1303-death-of-the-pushrod-v8/