Pro Racecar wire routing tips! Sharing.

[C.Plavan]

I wanted to share a neat feature I noticed on my Elan NP01. These cars are built by the same guys that build the Deltawing and Panoz cars- True professionals. After building cars for the last 16+ years, I thought I knew every trick in the book....haha, well, not really. Grab these two items to make wire running painless and trick/professional looking. Best of all it's SIMPLE! You can use the adhesive for other things also- Bonds metal to metal, plastic to metal etc! The tabs can be hidden and glued anywhere. Super strong, but can be removed with a good whack of a screwdriver and hammer. You use the bond on one part, then a quick spray of the activator on the other part. Then attach and it sticks. Way easier than mixing epoxy. You can secure wires, or anything else without having visible zipties here and there.

http://i.imgur.com/XC7K4Xjl.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/XtmZOtZl.jpg?1


https://www.amazon.com/THOMAS-TC-105-ALUMINUM-25-4MM-12-7MM/dp/B011CPIWBA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1467228062&sr=8-1&keywords=tc-105
https://www.amazon.com/Loctite-Yellow-Depend-Adhesive-Viscosity/dp/B00BFJLXTM/ref=sr_1_1?s=industrial&ie=UTF8&qid=1467228201&sr=1-1&keywords=Loctite+20251+Pale+Yellow+330+Depend+Adhe sive%2C+67500+cP+Viscosity%2C+25+mL%2C+0.85+fl.+oz .+Kit

[FFRSpec72]

I wanted to share a neat feature I noticed on my Elan NP01. These cars are built by the same guys that build the Deltawing and Panoz cars- True professionals. After building cars for the last 16+ years, I thought I knew every trick in the book....haha, well, not really. Grab these two items to make wire running painless and trick/professional looking. Best of all it's SIMPLE! You can use the adhesive for other things also- Bonds metal to metal, plastic to metal etc! The tabs can be hidden and glued anywhere. Super strong, but can be removed with a good whack of a screwdriver and hammer. You use the bond on one part, then a quick spray of the activator on the other part. Then attach and it sticks. Way easier than mixing epoxy. You can secure wires, or anything else without having visible zipties here and there.

https://www.amazon.com/THOMAS-TC-105-ALUMINUM-25-4MM-12-7MM/dp/B011CPIWBA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1467228062&sr=8-1&keywords=tc-105
https://www.amazon.com/Loctite-Yellow-Depend-Adhesive-Viscosity/dp/B00BFJLXTM/ref=sr_1_1?s=industrial&ie=UTF8&qid=1467228201&sr=1-1&keywords=Loctite+20251+Pale+Yellow+330+Depend+Adhe sive%2C+67500+cP+Viscosity%2C+25+mL%2C+0.85+fl.+oz .+Kit

Thanks for posting, very useful

[Hindsight]

Thanks, good tip and timely too. I was planning on using something similar, but plastic and riveted into the frame, but that won't work well for the areas where I need to bond to fiberglass. This seems like it would work great for fiberglass and stand up better to heat than plastic.

[iWire]

Very cool! We'll definitely test this out and add it to the options list!

[WIS89]

Chad-

Very cool tip, and I appreciate you sharing it! Quick question though...

The plastic piece that holds the wire looks different than a zip tie. It looks like it holds the wire away from the metal clip. Was this supplied with the kit, or did you source this separately? If you sourced this, could you share where you got it?

Thanks again!

Regards,

Steve

[Hindsight]

Looks like a zip tie to me. You are seeing the locking part of the zip tie.

[ben1272]

I wanted to share a neat feature I noticed on my Elan NP01. These cars are built by the same guys that build the Deltawing and Panoz cars- True professionals. After building cars for the last 16+ years, I thought I knew every trick in the book....haha, well, not really. Grab these two items to make wire running painless and trick/professional looking. Best of all it's SIMPLE! You can use the adhesive for other things also- Bonds metal to metal, plastic to metal etc! The tabs can be hidden and glued anywhere. Super strong, but can be removed with a good whack of a screwdriver and hammer. You use the bond on one part, then a quick spray of the activator on the other part. Then attach and it sticks. Way easier than mixing epoxy. You can secure wires, or anything else without having visible zipties here and there.



http://i.imgur.com/XC7K4Xjl.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/XtmZOtZl.jpg?1


https://www.amazon.com/THOMAS-TC-105-ALUMINUM-25-4MM-12-7MM/dp/B011CPIWBA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1467228062&sr=8-1&keywords=tc-105
https://www.amazon.com/Loctite-Yellow-Depend-Adhesive-Viscosity/dp/B00BFJLXTM/ref=sr_1_1?s=industrial&ie=UTF8&qid=1467228201&sr=1-1&keywords=Loctite+20251+Pale+Yellow+330+Depend+Adhe sive%2C+67500+cP+Viscosity%2C+25+mL%2C+0.85+fl.+oz .+Kit

Not sure I see what was glued to what in the top photo. Is it the metal bracket that was glued to the tube and then a zip-tie holding the cable to the metal bracket?

[C.Plavan]

Here are some better pictures so you guys get a better idea- You can rivet them or screw them if you want (see hole), but I hate drilling holes in the frames. Plus, you can stick them anywhere and do not have to try and drill at weird angles. Using the Loctite adhesive is by far the easiest option.

Aluminum Tabs:
http://i.imgur.com/Qc3DfYUl.jpg

Used through out the car:

http://i.imgur.com/f0YCfJil.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/b3fcIiRl.jpg

They just are simple- and keep things tidy. The Amazon.com links are in my first post at the bottom.

[UnhipPopano]

LocTite makes some good products, but what these two products are is Super Glue and Spray Activator. This same method is used by modelers, slot car enthusiasts, and others. You can also apply the accelerator when you get the part exactly where you want it, as applying the accelerator to the edges of the part works just as well. Both ways work.

Also, as this is superglue, the surface needs to be clean and by roughing up the surface, you get better holding strength.

[C.Plavan]

LocTite makes some good products, but what these two products are is Super Glue and Spray Activator. This same method is used by modelers, slot car enthusiasts, and others. You can also apply the accelerator when you get the part exactly where you want it, as applying the accelerator to the edges of the part works just as well. Both ways work.

Also, as this is superglue, the surface needs to be clean and by roughing up the surface, you get better holding strength.

I can attest that nothing needs to be roughed up for it to stick well. Everywhere they are attached, they are not roughed up in any way. It's a really neat product- Being a modeler, I am familiar with the superglues and speed activators- this is product is a little different than those for sure. I consider it more epoxy like than superglue. That may be why Loctite listed it with their Structural Epoxies even though it is a two part acrylic with a 250 degree heat rating.

Regardless- it works, and do not worry about roughing up the surface at all. I have them attached to powder coat, aluminum sheet metal, plastic, the outer gearbox, rollcage, painted parts. I had to remove one tab on the lower wing pylon to make room for the Setup bars. A quick heavy whack with a hammer and a chisel popped it off with just some residual adhesive left. The residual came off also with some scraping with the chisel without any surface damage.

[Mitch Wright]

Where can we buy the tabs?? I can think of a place or 2 now that the car is together that I can add a few.

[flynntuna]

The amazon link is in the first post under the pic. I missed seeing it the first time too.

By the way, what a time saver, all those holes that don't have to be drilled. Thanks Chad for the tip!

[ben1272]

http://www.mcmaster.com/#loctite-330/=132zgtd

Not super glue......can be purchased at McMaster-Carr

Thanks Chad!

[ben1272]

of course, cyanoacrylate IS an acrylic, so maybe it is a superglue....sounds good either way!

[C.Plavan]

Here are the links that were kinda buried in my first post.

https://www.amazon.com/THOMAS-TC-105-ALUMINUM-25-4MM-12-7MM/dp/B011CPIWBA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1467228062&sr=8-1&keywords=tc-105

https://www.amazon.com/Loctite-Yellow-Depend-Adhesive-Viscosity/dp/B00BFJLXTM/ref=sr_1_1?s=industrial&ie=UTF8&qid=1467228201&sr=1-1&keywords=Loctite+20251+Pale+Yellow+330+Depend+Adhe sive%2C+67500+cP+Viscosity%2C+25+mL%2C+0.85+fl.+oz .+Kit

[Scargo]

Here are some better pictures so you guys get a better idea- You can rivet them or screw them if you want (see hole), but I hate drilling holes in the frames. Plus, you can stick them anywhere and do not have to try and drill at weird angles. Using the Loctite adhesive is by far the easiest option.

Aluminum Tabs:
http://i.imgur.com/Qc3DfYUl.jpg

Used through out the car:
This is a great tip as I dislike drilling holes! I'd rather add a tab or something non-invasive like bonding on a mount. It got me to thinking. I looked around and found these that are half the price (https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B018ILYI00/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=301ON0M3KXCFR&coliid=I2W90BZOALY2RP) and might have some advantages though it could be argued that they are heavier.
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If you feel like fooling with a plumber's chain (https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B004VH6JV2/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=301ON0M3KXCFR&coliid=I9EUSYG3WF2O) it can be deconstructed and used in the same way. 61368

[Sgt.Gator]

I found a supplier that sells them in smaller quantities than $199. I just ordered 100 of the for $19.30 plus $5 shipping.
Thanks Chad!
http://www.newark.com/thomas-betts/tc-105/cable-tie-mtg-base-aluminum-25/dp/12C2341

[C.Plavan]

I found a supplier that sells them in smaller quantities than $199. I just ordered 100 of the for $19.30 plus $5 shipping.
Thanks Chad!
http://www.newark.com/thomas-betts/tc-105/cable-tie-mtg-base-aluminum-25/dp/12C2341

Yeah weird- I only ordered 25 at a time. My old amazon link does not list the 25 quantity anymore.