View Full Version : Coyote Dry Sump oiling system
johngeorge
05-21-2016, 09:39 PM
When driven hard on a racetrack, a FFR Challenge car can pull 1.8-2G in the turns. A very wise man told me there are 2 ways to fix my issue of oil starvation on track, 1. slow down, don't go so fast, reduce the G's in the turns (no way I can do that!) or 2. install dry sump!! A Dry sump oiling system will ensure oil pressure at these high sustained G forces, so here we go..
Aviaid builds a very nice coyote dry sump system, relatively simple to install. Remove stock oil pump, get remote oil filter adapter, install a 3gal tank, bolt up a fancy external cog belt driven oil pump to the side of the block (where AC used to be,) and make a bunch of custom AN lines all over the place.
Picture time.. of the install. Many more pics here: http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/index.php/ffr4706build/New-to-me-coyote-assembly-dry-sump
Remove timing chain to gain access to oil stock pump
http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/var/resizes/ffr4706build/New-to-me-coyote-assembly-%2B-dry-sump-/IMG_5341.jpg?m=1462065818
take out oil pump gear, then put everything back together
http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/var/resizes/ffr4706build/New-to-me-coyote-assembly-%2B-dry-sump-/IMG_5351.jpg?m=1462065737
Schematic of dry sump oiling system
http://aviaid.com/schems/4sbddss.gif
Now for the shiny new bits.. the new oil pan (there are 3 scavenge stages, each sucking from the side of the pan)
http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/var/resizes/ffr4706build/New-to-me-coyote-assembly-%2B-dry-sump-/IMG_5471.JPG?m=1463420343
johngeorge
05-21-2016, 09:44 PM
Install the pan on the engine along with the bracket and dry sump pump
http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/var/resizes/ffr4706build/New-to-me-coyote-assembly-%2B-dry-sump-/IMG_5486.JPG?m=1463420520
Put engine in car now and check for clearances
http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/var/resizes/ffr4706build/New-to-me-coyote-assembly-%2B-dry-sump-/IMG_5557.JPG?m=1463419140
It fits nicely, and looks like I have enough room for the -12AN lines to run from pan to bottom of the scavenge pump
http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/var/resizes/ffr4706build/New-to-me-coyote-assembly-%2B-dry-sump-/IMG_5560.JPG?m=1463419176
Check for belt alignment, all is well. Notice the new balancer, it came in the Aviaid kit, along with the cogged sprocket to drive the dry sump pump. The coyote balancer requires a long install tool, so make sure to get that ahead of time (autozone does not have one you can borrow)
http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/var/resizes/ffr4706build/New-to-me-coyote-assembly-%2B-dry-sump-/IMG_5561.JPG?m=1463419190
johngeorge
05-21-2016, 09:51 PM
My FFR challenge car is an older mk2/3 mix, so I still had the old passenger foot box (no dropped floor, we kinda 'hacked up' to make the coyote fit) so the always friendly folks at Factory Five Racing hooked me up with some new mk4 footbox aluminum
http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/var/resizes/ffr4706build/New-to-me-coyote-assembly-%2B-dry-sump-/IMG_5586.JPG?m=1463711711
Back to the scheduled program.. Making -12AN lines, a lot of them.
http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/var/resizes/ffr4706build/New-to-me-coyote-assembly-%2B-dry-sump-/IMG_5595.JPG?m=1463662064
http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/var/resizes/ffr4706build/New-to-me-coyote-assembly-%2B-dry-sump-/IMG_5596.JPG?m=1463662078
Figure out where to put this giant tank with 12 quart capacity of oil. The tank is 7.5" round, and about 20" tall.. only place to mount it is in the passenger footbox (sorry passengers, you will have toasty foot heater along for the ride)
http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/var/resizes/ffr4706build/New-to-me-coyote-assembly-%2B-dry-sump-/IMG_5601.JPG?m=1463711437
johngeorge
05-21-2016, 09:55 PM
Mock up dry sump tank, drill a big hole on the top of the footbox and holes for the brackets on the front facing aluminum to help locate where the new weld-in square tube will go.
http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/var/resizes/ffr4706build/New-to-me-coyote-assembly-%2B-dry-sump-/IMG_5617.JPG?m=1463711612
http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/var/resizes/ffr4706build/New-to-me-coyote-assembly-%2B-dry-sump-/IMG_5619.JPG?m=1463711638
new 1" square tube cut to fit.. time to weld it in
http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/var/resizes/ffr4706build/New-to-me-coyote-assembly-%2B-dry-sump-/IMG_5623.JPG?m=1463711692
3 Gallons of hot oil, I don't want that to go anywhere, so made sure its solidly mounted!
http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/var/resizes/ffr4706build/New-to-me-coyote-assembly-%2B-dry-sump-/IMG_5625.JPG?m=1463775219
johngeorge
05-21-2016, 09:59 PM
paint everything, now for some assembly
http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/var/resizes/ffr4706build/New-to-me-coyote-assembly-%2B-dry-sump-/IMG_5630.JPG?m=1463775280
oil filter re-locater the left side of the pic is from dry sump high pressure, the right side goes and feeds oil to the engine.
http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/var/resizes/ffr4706build/New-to-me-coyote-assembly-%2B-dry-sump-/IMG_5629.JPG?m=1463775264
feed line is a -10AN
http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/var/resizes/ffr4706build/New-to-me-coyote-assembly-%2B-dry-sump-/IMG_5634.JPG?m=1463775319
used some small wire loom to act as aluminum edge guard
http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/var/resizes/ffr4706build/New-to-me-coyote-assembly-%2B-dry-sump-/IMG_5636.JPG?m=1463775339
johngeorge
05-21-2016, 10:02 PM
drill an access hole in the floor of the footbox to drain the oil
http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/var/resizes/ffr4706build/New-to-me-coyote-assembly-%2B-dry-sump-/IMG_5641.JPG?m=1463775391
cut holes for AN 90deg male to female fitting adapters
http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/var/resizes/ffr4706build/New-to-me-coyote-assembly-%2B-dry-sump-/IMG_5644.JPG?m=1463775410
http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/var/resizes/ffr4706build/New-to-me-coyote-assembly-%2B-dry-sump-/IMG_5671.JPG?m=1463872765
http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/var/resizes/ffr4706build/New-to-me-coyote-assembly-%2B-dry-sump-/IMG_5672.JPG?m=1463872722
johngeorge
05-21-2016, 10:10 PM
Do some more welding making a bracket for the new ECU location on the side of the passenger footbox, next to the dry sump tank
http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/var/resizes/ffr4706build/New-to-me-coyote-assembly-%2B-dry-sump-/IMG_5659.JPG?m=1463794111
Make some more -12AN lines - bottom of tank to dry sump high pressure inlet
http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/var/resizes/ffr4706build/New-to-me-coyote-assembly-%2B-dry-sump-/IMG_5668.JPG?m=1463872699
150deg -12AN fitting on the pump side
http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/var/resizes/ffr4706build/New-to-me-coyote-assembly-%2B-dry-sump-/IMG_5667.JPG?m=1463872694
Hook the vent up (the valve covers vent into the dry sump tank, then the dry sump tank vents to a catch can put in the middle of the firewall)
http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/var/resizes/ffr4706build/New-to-me-coyote-assembly-%2B-dry-sump-/IMG_5664.JPG?m=1463794154
johngeorge
05-21-2016, 10:16 PM
seal up the footbox
http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/var/resizes/ffr4706build/New-to-me-coyote-assembly-%2B-dry-sump-/IMG_5685.JPG?m=1463872810
tank in its final location and plumbed up
http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/var/resizes/ffr4706build/New-to-me-coyote-assembly-%2B-dry-sump-/IMG_5686.JPG?m=1463872816
Prime the system by removing the cog wheel off the dry sump pump, and spin it with a drill. I ended up using a small air powered 3/8 gun with a socket on it. I have oil pressure!! spinning it max what the air powered gun can do (not that fast) it produces around 20psi if oil pressure!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xw1k7xlo4TI
johngeorge
05-21-2016, 10:27 PM
Put the belt on the dry sump (take crank belt guide off, place cog belt on dry sump, then push belt onto crank. Put guide back on)
Fill engine with fluids, and.. fire it up!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxlWjQK4758
Oil pressure on the dash is bottom left.
IT WORKS! amazing, just amazing. Lots of work to get to this point.
Thanks Factory Five's Dave Smith, Jim Schenck, and Jon Dean for being who you are, you guys rock!! Factory Five Racing and its community is simply the best! Speaking to that community, thanks Pat McMahon for helping put the engine in, not only is he my main competition on the race track, but he is more then willing to 'help the competition' get back on track!
Now to change front end alignment, throw the street windshield in, and go test it out on the street. That is the plan tomorrow.
johngeorge
05-22-2016, 05:28 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&persist_app=1&v=1IirF93IaE8
Success! #48 is back!
johngeorge
05-25-2016, 07:28 AM
Dyno tune complete. Here is before and after tuning. 352rwhp/363tq not limited, 343hp/355tq ST2 class limited while running 245/40/17 tires.
http://www.johngeorgeracing.com/gallery/i.php?/galleries/ffr4706build/New-to-me-coyote-assembly-and-dry-sump/5-24-16_dynobefore-after-xl.JPG
RoadRacer
07-04-2016, 09:04 PM
Great information, thanks! I ran a dry sump 383 SBC on a road-racing chassis I built - I'm definitely sold on the dry sump idea. Before that I was losing all oil pressure on fast turns..scary stuff. I havent bought a kit yet, but planning a 33 coyote so this is perfect.
johngeorge
07-05-2016, 06:30 AM
Thanks! was a fun install and Aviaid dry sump system works great.
Will you track your 33 coyote? cause that would be AWESOME! I'd love to see those racing.
RoadRacer
07-05-2016, 09:16 PM
As much as I can! Track time seems harder to find here in US - in UK I was at the local track Goodwood all the time at "general test days". $50 a day for unlimited laps.. ah good times!