818C with Ford Ecoboost

[ben1272]

On Saturday at FFR I saw an 818C equipped with the 4cyl Ford Ecoboost and can say that it fills out the engine bay quite nice and looks killer under the hatch glass! No info on how it drives yet. Anyone know the price for a crate 4-cylinder ecoboost? Having this powerful (300+ hp?) American motor in this car is going to make a formidable machine! I hope the supporting accessories from FFR make it to production!

Sorry I di not take a picture, but trust me, it looks nice!

-Ben

[flynntuna]

No worries, they posted it on their Facebook page.. It looks awesome. Not sure if will fit under the roadster hood though, it takes up a lot of space like you said.

[flynntuna]

We're did they put the intercooler?

[Sgt.Gator]

Anyone know the price for a crate 4-cylinder ecoboost?
-Ben


The 2.0L longblock is $7,000. http://www.summitracing.com/parts/fms-m-6007-20t

http://static.summitracing.com/global/images/prod/xlarge/fms-m-6007-20t_xl.jpg?rep=False


The 3.5L longblock is $8,050. http://www.summitracing.com/parts/fms-m-6007-35t

http://static.summitracing.com/global/images/prod/xlarge/fms-m-6007-35t_xl.jpg?rep=False

I'd love to see how they located the intercooler too.

[FFRSpec72]

The 2.3 is a far better engine than the 2.0 not sure why one would go 2.0, the best would be to get the RS tune.

[Hobby Racer]

Currently, Ford does not offer the 2.3L as a crate motor :( Hopefully it will be an option soon.

[ben1272]

When they get it sorted it is going to be a nice package for those who want to go the 100% new part route. I look forward to watching the 818 evolve, just as the Coupe before it. The great thing is how Factory Five generally keeps their designs specified so that you can start with an entry level car/price and migrate towards a more expensive/capable machine as your wallet allows.

[FFRSpec72]

Currently, Ford does not offer the 2.3L as a crate motor :( Hopefully it will be an option soon.

You can buy the complete 2.3 (engine +management system) from other sources, I assume one the RS ships you will be able to buy crate engine

[129st]

The 2.3 is a far better engine than the 2.0 not sure why one would go 2.0, the best would be to get the RS tune.

The 2.0 crate motor advantage is low cost and off the shelf availability. With E85 and tuning, 300+ HP is possible. The 2.0 downside is that it is configured as a transverse engine. Issues to address include oil pan, motor mounts, intercooler connection points, etc.

FFV probably chose the 2.3 for the coupe since it is configured as a longitudinal engine. It also has 350+ HP potential with E85.

[redfogo]

Should be interesting to see how many 818 guys decide to do a Ford build. I can't really see myself going down this path tell used motor prices are out. Subaru motors just have a lot more support and mods available, also the price comparison is a big difference. Hard to tell how much of an improvement the ford motor will really give. Hasn't been out long enough. Once the Ecoboost motors hit the used market prices like the EJs then I can see many looking at this as a possible better option!

[RetroRacing]

I don't get the argument, isn't the EJ lighter with a lower center of gravity? Has anyone blown a motor in an 818 yet or are we all just speculating on issues that don't exist in our application? I get the do something different thing, and am all for it based upon my vast amount of ebay time looking into engine costs vs power vs weight, but will stick with the EJ until we break something or until others find consistant issues with it.

[Tamra]

I don't get the argument, isn't the EJ lighter with a lower center of gravity? Has anyone blown a motor in an 818 yet or are we all just speculating on issues that don't exist in our application? I get the do something different thing, and am all for it based upon my vast amount of ebay time looking into engine costs vs power vs weight, but will stick with the EJ until we break something or until others find consistant issues with it.

There have been multiple blown motors in the 818 platform due to heatsoak (primarily the 818S with the windshield blocking airflow to the intercooler). The AWIC solution that many have turned to, including us, seems to be cutting back (maybe eliminating?) this problem, but it adds complexity and cost. The EJ also requires a dry sump for serious track cars to help avoid oil starvation.
I don't know if the Ford engine is a solution to these issues or what issues it will have of its own since I'm not very familiar with it, so I'm curious to see how it pans out for people going this route.

[ben1272]

I don't think it is an unreasonable solution to the desire that some have for an American powerplant. Granted many other parts in the car may remain Subaru based, but then again, perhaps one of the Mendeola transaxles might find its way onto a Ford engine? Expensive, but sweet. I thinkn the 818 is going to become one of the greats.....it has such an awesome starting point, one can only imagine the MkII!

-Ben

[Newkitguy]

What trans is being used with the Eco boost motor? Some really expensive builds using Eco boost motor and ecu and parts from them. While still using subi running gear

[07FIREBLADE]

Sti 6sp by the looks of the trans

[FFRSpec72]

The EJ also requires a dry sump for serious track cars to help avoid oil starvation.

This all depends on the usage. There are a number of us serious road racers that are not going the DS route as there is simply no data to back that a DS system is required, there are plenty of other measures one can take to avoid oil starvation.

[Sgt.Gator]

This all depends on the usage. There are a number of us serious road racers that are not going the DS route as there is simply no data to back that a DS system is required, there are plenty of other measures one can take to avoid oil starvation.

Tony in our Conference racing ST class we've had three: Steve Clinton's STI, Michael Contatore's STI, and my Legacy GT. All three spun bearings. Steve and Michael have sold/are selling their STIs and moved on to other non Subaru cars.
Additionally I spun a bearing in my Spec B EJ257 at ORP. That engine had the full KillerBee setup.
So there is some data, albeit anecdotal.

[FFRSpec72]

Tony in our Conference racing ST class we've had three: Steve Clinton's STI, Michael Contatore's STI, and my Legacy GT. All three spun bearings. Steve and Michael have sold/are selling their STIs and moved on to other non Subaru cars.
Additionally I spun a bearing in my Spec B EJ257 at ORP. That engine had the full KillerBee setup.
So there is some data, albeit anecdotal.

So first off I understand what Tamra was trying to say but she is not correct about the DS, she should have said that there needs to be some added measure to prevent oil starvation. So in Steve's case he had no prevention for oil starvation, no KB oil pan, no baffles, no valve, etc, only a KB oil pick up and an after market oil cooler. I did not spend enough time with Michael but I know he was not running much for oil starvation as I had this discussion with Steve. I was not aware last time I saw your engine (before the DS) that you were running the KB mechanical oil valve) ? A spun bearing can happen for different reasons, not just oil starvation. there can be clearance issues, heat issues, crappy build issues, etc.

I 100% agree that for road racing something has to be done to prevent oil starvation, I think we can all agree upon that, it's the measures we can't agree upon

[Sgt.Gator]

In the LGT race wagon I had a Cosworth oil control baffle plate, Moroso oil pickup, and STI oil pan.
In the Legacy Spec B I had the full Killer Bee baffle, pan, pickup.

That was enough for me!

[Samiam1017]

Tony in our Conference racing ST class we've had three: Steve Clinton's STI, Michael Contatore's STI, and my Legacy GT. All three spun bearings. Steve and Michael have sold/are selling their STIs and moved on to other non Subaru cars.
Additionally I spun a bearing in my Spec B EJ257 at ORP. That engine had the full KillerBee setup.
So there is some data, albeit anecdotal.

Is it a common bearing that is spun? location not brand.

[Tamra]

So first off I understand what Tamra was trying to say but she is not correct about the DS, she should have said that there needs to be some added measure to prevent oil starvation. So in Steve's case he had no prevention for oil starvation, no KB oil pan, no baffles, no valve, etc, only a KB oil pick up and an after market oil cooler. I did not spend enough time with Michael but I know he was not running much for oil starvation as I had this discussion with Steve. I was not aware last time I saw your engine (before the DS) that you were running the KB mechanical oil valve) ? A spun bearing can happen for different reasons, not just oil starvation. there can be clearance issues, heat issues, crappy build issues, etc.

I 100% agree that for road racing something has to be done to prevent oil starvation, I think we can all agree upon that, it's the measures we can't agree upon

You are correct, definitely something needs to be done was my intent. Oil systems are always a heated topic with Subarus :) But the one thing (I think) we can all agree on is that the Subaru engine has oil problems that need to be taken into consideration when put on the track.

[Sgt.Gator]

Is it a common bearing that is spun? location not brand.

I think it's always #4. At least my two were. When we were tearing my engine down at my sponsor, Subaru of Bend, the tech said "I'm sure it's number 4, it always is..."

Number 4 is the furthest bearing from the oil pump.

[Samiam1017]

main or rod?


I think it's always #4. At least my two were. When we were tearing my engine down at my sponsor, Subaru of Bend, the tech said "I'm sure it's number 4, it always is..."

Number 4 is the furthest bearing from the oil pump.

[Carlos C]

Ben:

Did the Eco-Boost-equipped 818 you looked at have a transaxle mounted? I ask because when I spoke with Dave Smith and Tony Zullo in November, they both stated to me that the biggest clearance issue would be mating the Ford engine with the Subaru tranny. The adapter plate pushes the tranny 4" further back, which would not clear the rear bumper. Since we were standing by Coupe #1 during the discussion, I looked at the car and offered my solution, which both seemed to like. But by looking at the photos posted on this thread, it doesn't even look like that car has a tranny installed, assuming that's the Ford engine, which I'm not 100% sure.

I know they wanted to get that resolved before the Detroit Muscle TV show taping, so I'm just wondering if the tranny was in; and if so, did you notice something different about the rear bumper, or did they just cut a relief hole for the tail end of the tranny to pass through?

Carlos

[ben1272]

Ben:

Did the Eco-Boost-equipped 818 you looked at have a transaxle mounted? I ask because when I spoke with Dave Smith and Tony Zullo in November, they both stated to me that the biggest clearance issue would be mating the Ford engine with the Subaru tranny. The adapter plate pushes the tranny 4" further back, which would not clear the rear bumper. Since we were standing by Coupe #1 during the discussion, I looked at the car and offered my solution, which both seemed to like. But by looking at the photos posted on this thread, it doesn't even look like that car has a tranny installed, assuming that's the Ford engine, which I'm not 100% sure.

I know they wanted to get that resolved before the Detroit Muscle TV show taping, so I'm just wondering if the tranny was in; and if so, did you notice something different about the rear bumper, or did they just cut a relief hole for the tail end of the tranny to pass through?

Carlos

Yes, there was a tranny in and it was a Subaru unit. I think it was a 6 speed unit. It was close to (maybe even touching) the rear bodywork and we commented on how it could be cleared in a better fashion.....but it was in there.

[Sgt.Gator]

main or rod?

#4 rod bearing on the crankshaft. Here's the one from my Spec B:
49965

And the LGT race car carnage:
49966.....49967

[Turboguy]

I don't think it is an unreasonable solution to the desire that some have for an American powerplant.


I read that both the 2.0L and 2.3L ecoboost engines are manufactured in Valencia, Spain.

[C.Plavan]

This all depends on the usage. There are a number of us serious road racers that are not going the DS route as there is simply no data to back that a DS system is required, there are plenty of other measures one can take to avoid oil starvation.

I will be checking back on this thread to see how your motor works without a DS. That is if you ever finish your car. :)

[billjr212]

I read that both the 2.0L and 2.3L ecoboost engines are manufactured in Valencia, Spain.

A year ago, you would have been right. Looks like they just moved the North American portion of production to Cleveland last year.

https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en/news/2015/03/06/ford-cleveland-engine-plant-begins-production-of-the-new-twin-sc.html

[ben1272]

I read that both the 2.0L and 2.3L ecoboost engines are manufactured in Valencia, Spain.

Sorry, I meant "American"

[Zach34]

Yes, there was a tranny in and it was a Subaru unit. I think it was a 6 speed unit. It was close to (maybe even touching) the rear bodywork and we commented on how it could be cleared in a better fashion.....but it was in there.

I saw it too on my visit last week. It is a Subaru 6-speed for sure. The rear of the transmission is rubbing the mesh screen installed in the rear bumper. I don't think the car has been driven much, and I'm sure they're still working on fitment issues. It definitely fits, but it's super tight. It just barely clears the crossbrace - didn't see if they had spaced that back any more.

If I were going to install one of these engines in a new build right now, I would plan on re-working the fuel tank area of the frame to push the engine forward about and inch and a half. There are some 1.5" square frame members that would have to be re-positioned. FFR may come up with a better solution, though.

If the V6 is shorter, that could be the ticket. It would look gargantuan in the car.

[Carlos C]

I saw it too on my visit last week. It is a Subaru 6-speed for sure. The rear of the transmission is rubbing the mesh screen installed in the rear bumper. I don't think the car has been driven much, and I'm sure they're still working on fitment issues. It definitely fits, but it's super tight. It just barely clears the crossbrace - didn't see if they had spaced that back any more.

If I were going to install one of these engines in a new build right now, I would plan on re-working the fuel tank area of the frame to push the engine forward about and inch and a half. There are some 1.5" square frame members that would have to be re-positioned. FFR may come up with a better solution, though.

If the V6 is shorter, that could be the ticket. It would look gargantuan in the car.

When I was discussing possible solutions with Dave Smith and Tony Zullo, I brought up the idea of coming up with an updated rear bumper, which would be slightly more convex at the bottom, giving the tranny more clearance. I showed them how it would look like on the 818C that was there. This new, revised bumper would be used on all variations of the car. They seemed to like the idea, so I guess we'll see how they solve the clearance issue.

Carlos

[SkiRideDrive]

Where are people sourcing 2.3L ecoboost crate motors? The only ones I can find are the 2.0s.

[Bob_n_Cincy]

Where are people sourcing 2.3L ecoboost crate motors? The only ones I can find are the 2.0s.

nobody has got a 2.3 crate motor yet.

This is what was said on the PowerNation promo.

This week on PowerNation Factory Five Racing president Dave Smith is back and he fills Courtney’s studio with 3 FFR iconic cars. Dave will detail how Engine Power is going to build his new 818 Coupe powered by Ford’s 2.3L EcoBoost 4. The 818 had been a sporting a Subaru engine for the international market, but customers wanted an awesome American engine and Ford’s new EcoBoost was a perfect fit. The guys at Factory Five were given the CAD files from Ford so they could size up the engine mounts and place the headers, etc. Now it’s up to Engine Power to build it and then drop the hammer on the street. You can catch that build in 2016. Also this week the winner of the WD-40 Specialist Xtreme Off Road Jeep drops in to claim their prize. It’s a full block of tech so make sure you tune in.

Reading between the lines. It appears the ford has worked closely with ffr to help make this happen. I suspect that FFR might have a special deal with Ford to get the 2.3L . Maybe I'm just an optimist.


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Bob

[C.Plavan]

Don't hold your breath on the 2.3L crate motor. It will be awhile.

[Sgt.Gator]

And I really want to see the Intercooler Solution!

[SkiRideDrive]

Hmmm. I was looking into the 2.0 because they seem to offer the engine and harness for less than 6k now.

https://fordperformanceracingparts.com/parts/part_details.asp?PartKeyField=25303

From what I have read the 2.0 has a bolt pattern like a duratec and bolts up to a NC miata 6 speed transmission.

Is the transmission bolt pattern different for the 2.3 than the 2.0? I think I remember reading that it is.

[Carlos C]

Reading between the lines. It appears the ford has worked closely with ffr to help make this happen. I suspect that FFR might have a special deal with Ford to get the 2.3L . Maybe I'm just an optimist.


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Bob

Dave Smith mentioned to me that Ford Racing approached him about getting the EcoBoost engine in the 818, after they saw how popular the car had become. They have been providing FFR everything needed to make it happen, including the engine, ECU, harness, CAD files, tech support, etc.

Carlos

[Samiam1017]

bid on a 2015 mustang with the ecoboost today. 17000 miles. Was a rebuildable running and driving car went for 14500 plus fees..just incase anybody was wondering.

[FFRSpec72]

bid on a 2015 mustang with the ecoboost today. 17000 miles. Was a rebuildable running and driving car went for 14500 plus fees..just incase anybody was wondering.

Wait until a Focus RS gets totaled and then grab that as you get a better IC and better engine management.

[Niradical]

I have had interest in a 818 and really would love to see the Ecoboost in the car or at least an option to run one. I been keeping tabs on this and figured I would join to share my knowledge of the Ecoboost platform.

I have a Focus ST which is tuned and running full bolt-ons with the stock turbo. I use it daily, at AutoX, and Track Days. I have put over 40k hard miles on the car and it still funs smooth.

There are 2 motor options which could be a great fit to this platform.

2.0 Ecoboost
The stock turbo on this engine is small (Borg Warner K03) and hits peak boost (23psi) around 2700rpm and drops down to about 14psi at redline (6500rpm). The engine does not have forged internals and suffers from something called LSPI which all Direct-Injection engines can have. This means that while you want to feel that torque down low it causes the engine to be under serious stress which can cause cylinder temps to rise and the ringlands to melt. But if driven properly and prevent alot of low RPM high boost situations (typically staying above 3k in 5th and 6th gear) the engine can handle a hell of a beating.

My car puts down 287whp/370wtq on a blend of E30, for those who want to run E85 it just isn't possible with this engine unless you do aux fuel (add additional port injection) The high pressure fuel pump is just not able to flow enough fuel to keep the AFRs right.

Those who track the car haven't ran into any issues with Oil starvation with the Ecoboost 2.0 since Ford does put baffle/windage tray in the oil pan. We do run into issues with oil temps getting a bit high because of the tiny turbo being pushed really hard and dumping its heat back into the oil system. This can be resolved by a small oil cooler.

The Ecoboost 2.0 does have a kit to convert it to longitudinal.
kit here: https://performanceparts.ford.com/part/M-6006-20

2.3 Ecoboost
This engine is the same engine they use in the Ecoboost Mustang and the RS, if you look at dyno charts the curves are the same, just different power levels.

There have been known issues with this engine cracking and leaking coolant, it is actually a weaker block than the Ecoboost 2.0, with that said they make a 2.3 crank to use with the 2.0 block :)

Also some situation the 2.3 block has even cracked under stock power levels and tune. And with pushing the platform you even have cases of the 2.3 head lifting a bit from the block.


Intercoolers
The factory intercoolers for these engines are not great at all, the RS intercooler is better than all of them, but it is still barely acceptable. The intercooler heatsoaks very quickly and can take time to cool back down.

Engine Head
Both the 2.0 and 2.3 heads are what we refer to as Headifold, the exhaust manifold is built into the head and there is only one big exhaust port. The 2.0 is designed for the use with a single scroll turbo, and the 2.3 is designed for use with a twin-scroll.

There is an aftermarket head available for the 2.0 which goes back to being a traditional head with the need for a exhaust manifold/header.

Transmission
The Tranmissions used in the Focus ST is actually a Getrag 6MTT450 which is a very strong and small unit. It is a 3 shaft design and 5th,6th,R have a different final drive ratio than 1st through 4th.

There is a proper LSD available for this transmission from OSGiken, Quaife, and mFactory.

The transmission is holding up just fine to STs that are running 400+whp without any issue. And the axles can handle the stress of launching the Focus ST on slicks without any concern, they are overly built.

The way the 2.0 Ecoboost and Transmission sits in the Focus ST allows for it to sit pretty low. Since the transmission is self contained to the driver side, the engine takes up the passenger side of the engine bay. From the bottom you have full access to the oilpan and the transmission is not in the way.

[subysouth]

Tony in our Conference racing ST class we've had three: Steve Clinton's STI, Michael Contatore's STI, and my Legacy GT. All three spun bearings. Steve and Michael have sold/are selling their STIs and moved on to other non Subaru cars.
Additionally I spun a bearing in my Spec B EJ257 at ORP. That engine had the full KillerBee setup.
So there is some data, albeit anecdotal.

I quit the EJ life too - I'm quoting you out of 01/2016 but the song remains the same. I mean I was Suabru or die for a while but I finally crossed that line on the repairs. Too much time running on 3 cylinders...

Where we are now 05/2019 the 2.3Eco is plentiful used and there is hotter version on the way for the Mustang too.

ss

[subysouth]

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a27131311/2020-ford-mustang-2-3-liter-performance-package/

ss

[lsfourwheeler]

FFR's Ecoboost install fizzled out. Likely required chassis modifications or something else significant but they didn't share why exactly. Unfortunately the 818 does not accommodate anything but a flat 4/6 very easily because of the way the engine bay chassis structure is. Boxers are a unique shape and this is unfortunate for people not wanting a Subaru drivetrain.

I personally wish FFR had gone with some sort of inline 4 engine donor instead because it would open up different engine options but it is what it is at this point unless/until they redesign it.

[subysouth]

I personally wish FFR had gone with some sort of inline 4 engine donor instead because it would open up different engine options but it is what it is at this point unless/until they redesign it.

You can see why FFR went with the Subaru drivetrain because sourcing a longitudinal rear mount transaxle is IMO the hardest part of the entire drivetrain. The list of OEM installation opportunities there is truly short and many of those the cost is exceptional. That said I am in complete agreement with you. I fully believe the room is there for an inline 4 it just was not engineered for it at the outset. Maybe they could do an update to the rear frame assuming the Subaru drivetrain for the evertyhing else but leave some flexibility at the engine mounting.

I am subscribed to Retro Racing's build thread, he is in the process of ditching the Subaru boxer and mounting up a Honda K series engine. It is a great read overall and I am interested in seeing how it turns out.

ss

[FFRSpec72]

We are finished with the Subaru engines for racing, we will be heading down the path of a Eco Boost 2.3L engine in the 818R, they now have a control system, so for 8K I should be able to get 2.3 eco boost, control system and transaxle adapter and then a lot of work refitting and then to figure out the intercooler.

[Zach34]

Did you ever see FFR's 818 with the Ecoboost? I can't remember if they had a 5 or 6-speed transmission in it, but it was rubbing against the grill opening in the rear bumper. I think you'll need to make at least 1.5-2 inches more room in front of the motor.

I feel like FFR was really excited about using that engine, but seemed to abruptly stop promoting it after they put it in that car for some reason. Maybe you can coax some advice from Jim or Tony?

[Brd.Prey]

Why does no one put a boxer cayman engine/trans in?

[STiPWRD]

Why does no one put a boxer cayman engine/trans in?

Price? A quick ebay glance shows used engines go for $7-12k, trans $1-2k and that's before you start replacing worn out bits - clutch, timing belt, etc. You'll probably need custom axles and some sort of engine management as well. I'm sure it can be done but it adds up quick.

[lance corsi]

Has anyone considered a power plant from a front wheel drive setup? It looks like one may fit without a lot of mods. There are some pretty good combinations out there. Something like Lancia used on the Stratos, transversely mounted. That way, you could ditch the Subie trans too.

[Hobby Racer]

Did you ever see FFR's 818 with the Ecoboost? I can't remember if they had a 5 or 6-speed transmission in it, but it was rubbing against the grill opening in the rear bumper. I think you'll need to make at least 1.5-2 inches more room in front of the motor.

I feel like FFR was really excited about using that engine, but seemed to abruptly stop promoting it after they put it in that for some reason. Maybe you can coax some advice from Jim or Tony?

I looked at it when I picked up my 818R kit. It was a Subi 6 speed. It touched the back grill which was already pushed out to be flush with the outside of the body (not indented like the kit is normally). Plus it was stuffed right up against the firewall. In addition it sat quite high, I'm not sure it would fit in the 818S or R without lowering it in the chassis. They had it in a coupe so there was room up top, I don't remember if the bars over the engine were modified?


Why does no one put a boxer cayman engine/trans in?

Been thinking about it a lot! but the $$ involved make it not as attractive.


Price? A quick ebay glance shows used engines go for $7-12k, trans $1-2k and that's before you start replacing worn out bits - clutch, timing belt, etc. You'll probably need custom axles and some sort of engine management as well. I'm sure it can be done but it adds up quick.

Nailed it!


Has anyone considered a power plant from a front wheel drive setup? It looks like one may fit without a lot of mods. There are some pretty good combinations out there. Something like Lancia used on the Stratos, transversely mounted. That way, you could ditch the Subie trans too.

I always wondered that myself. Having a Lotus Elise with a transverse mounted Toyota 4 cylinder and Toyota transaxle, it seems very doable. I'm sure there are stout, inexpensive combinations that would work well.

Maybe we should start a new thread to brain storm different combinations?

[FFRSpec72]

As it is the subaru engine is aginst the rear firewall, and also engine stands high with the stock intercooler, I will have to make a new rear deck lid, I'm sure of that, but looking at things the transmission will stay in same place (I will use the 5sp) and will have to figure out the engine mounts and the cross brace issue. I don't know yet if I will go with a new engine and control pack or a wrecked mustang 2.3L with a control pack. The transaxle adapter plate is a little pricy at $1200, but I only see one source for those right now.

[Zach34]

Has anyone considered a power plant from a front wheel drive setup? It looks like one may fit without a lot of mods. There are some pretty good combinations out there. Something like Lancia used on the Stratos, transversely mounted. That way, you could ditch the Subie trans too.

I would love to see somebody do that. There are some great transverse-mount engine/trans combos out there. My guess is that it will require completely re-working the frame between the engine/trans and wheels. It's probably easier to re-work the frame in front of the engine for more room, which only means figuring out another fuel tank option instead of potentially re-locating suspension points.

[flynntuna]

Imagine this in an 818

https://performance.ford.com/enthusiasts/media-room/2019/09/sprint-car-engine.html?cks=425544450&emailid=FP_FASTNEWS

Even though it wouldn't fit...... And 900hp would be unusable :rolleyes:

[CerealSavage]

I saw it too on my visit last week. It is a Subaru 6-speed for sure. The rear of the transmission is rubbing the mesh screen installed in the rear bumper. I don't think the car has been driven much, and I'm sure they're still working on fitment issues. It definitely fits, but it's super tight. It just barely clears the crossbrace - didn't see if they had spaced that back any more.

If I were going to install one of these engines in a new build right now, I would plan on re-working the fuel tank area of the frame to push the engine forward about and inch and a half. There are some 1.5" square frame members that would have to be re-positioned. FFR may come up with a better solution, though.

If the V6 is shorter, that could be the ticket. It would look gargantuan in the car.

So say I was too figuratively source a 3.5 from a Taurus, flex or explorer and relocated the fuel cell to the front. Sourced a adapter plate from subie gears and a control pack for the ECU. Do you think it'd fit? What else would be an issue?

[Ajzride]

The explorer, flex, Taurus’s are FWD and are not designed to be installed forward facing. The motor mounts, front assembly etc would all have to be reworked. You want a 3.5 from an F150.

[CerealSavage]

Welp back to the drawing board I go lol thank you

[Mitch Wright]

I am swapping a 3.5EB into a 64 Falcon, I can say that the V6 would be a really tough swap into a 818(not impossible but a ton of work). The engine is 28 inches wide at the turbos (26 at the Cam covers if I remember correctly) and the engine is tall. A I4 would be a much easier fit if the length isn't too much more than the Subaru.

[toadster]

anyone know where they got the engine cover from?

[flynntuna]

I'm wondering if the 2.3l ecoboost with a dry sump will fit under the roadster engine cover.

https://www.cjponyparts.com/ford-performance-engine-310-horsepower-2-3l-4v-dohc-ecoboost-with-starter-and-alternator-2018-2019/p/M600723TA/?year=2018&msclkid=db12ac4580701c0e4c0ff1d8b3783b06&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=New%20Bing%20Shopping%20Ads&utm_term=1101206496775&utm_content=All%20Products

https://www.mountuneusa.com/mountune-Dry-Sump-Kit-Ford-EcoBoost-2-3L-p/e063-eco-2.3.htm

[D Clary]

I swapped a 3.5 Ecoboost into a Fox body Mustang. It is to long and wide for the 818. ford has discontinued the control pack for the 2.0 and offers it for the 2.3. If you go to Ford performance parts crate engines they give you every dimension of the engines. Any thoughts on a Hayabusa Turbo?

[DSR-3]

Any thoughts on a Hayabusa Turbo?
Yes, hell yes! I built and raced a Yamaha R1 powered car for years, and was seriously considering a bike engine in the 818 at the start. Then as I started to learn about Subaru things I found the H6 "option" and fixed on that. I have to admit that a rotary engine install still intrigues me too... Radical cars (and others?) make a reverse system for bike engines do it!

[CerealSavage]

The thought of a twin turbo 6 cylinder just seemed so cool and slightly tangible

[STiPWRD]

The thought of a twin turbo 6 cylinder just seemed so cool and slightly tangible

People have successfully fit a 6 cylinder (H6). Twin turbos will be more of a challenge, I think Wayne built a single turbo H6 tho (EZ30D?).

[CerealSavage]

Oh that's sick! Im new to the forums could you post the link to that thread I'd like to check that out! I found the one when they figured out it fit I think??

[flynntuna]

https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showthread.php?10525-Wayne-Presley-VeryCoolParts-Build-Thread-H6-power/page8

Here's Wayne's thread...

[CerealSavage]

Just watched the video of it on the dyno, it sounds beautiful wow.

[tt400]

Thats a very cool car. Nice vid