California Certificate of Sequence - SB100

[JeromeS13]

For all of those who have successfully registered a car in California, how long did it take you to get your physical Certificate of Sequence from the DMV? According to their website, it should be processed between 7-10 business days once the application is accepted by the DMV. For reference, please provide your sequence number, date you applied at the DMV, and when you received your certificate.

https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/?1dmy&urile=wcm:path:/dmv_content_en/dmv/vr/spcns

Here's mine:

Applied at DMV - 6/5/2015
Sequence number - 2015149
Received Certificate of Sequence (from DMV) - 7/8/2015
Thanks!

-Jerome

[68GT500MAN]

It has been awhile since I went through the process, but here is what I know.

2002 - (Roadster) 5 weeks
2005 - (Roadster) 3 weeks
2007 - (Coupe) 3 weeks.
Doug

[bansheekev]

In January 2015 it took 5 weeks in NorCal.

Luckily the rest went really fast so I was good with my 60 day operating permit they gave me.

Kevin

[07FIREBLADE]

Just got mine in the mail today. About 3 weeks for me.

[JeromeS13]

Just got mine in the mail today. About 3 weeks for me.

Got mine today, too! Calling tomorrow to schedule an appointment! Woohoo! :cool:

[matteo92065]

Applied at DMV: 6-8-2015.
My number is 2015150.
I have not gotten the certificate,... yet.

[JeromeS13]

Received mine yesterday, 7/8/15!

[matteo92065]

Congratulations!
I wan't to hear about your BAR visit and Brake and Tail inspection, in detail. :)

[JeromeS13]

Congratulations!
I wan't to hear about your BAR visit and Brake and Tail inspection, in detail. :)

For the BAR Appointment, I just got off the phone and their first available near me is August 3rd.

For the Brake and Lamp inspection, it was pretty straight forward. The guy checked all exterior lights (high beam, low beam, turn signals front and rear, reverse lights, tag light, etc.), then checked for interior indicators (turn signal, high beam, parking brake). He then asked about hazard lights (which I removed the switch and wiring). He looked at the California codes and found no reference that required a car to have them. Then he positioned a fancy contraption in front of the headlights to check the aiming of them. They're barely at the legal height limit (I believe he said 22 inches from the ground at the center point), but they're legal. First go around, driver's side headlight adjusted fine. Passenger side, not so much. I ended up failing for the passenger side aiming. I had to replace the headlight with one I got from eBay and it passed no problem.

For the Brake inspection, he basically asked what car the brakes were off of so he could get the specs. Then he just measured the rotor thickness on each corner and looked at the pads. He also checked the fluid level. He also checked to make sure the parking brake "slowed" the vehicle.

[07FIREBLADE]

Nice, you beat me for the BAR appointment, mines on the 5th for anywhere near me. I was willing to drive but the agent said that he checked within a 30mi radius and thats all he could find. For your headlight level 22" off the ground to center seems right just seems a bit low when driving at night. It might be that way for me because I did a projector retrofit and I have a sharp cutoff. This with go cart like suspension and you see the beam bounce like crazy because the cars on rails.

[matteo92065]

I got my sequence number in the mail yesterday.

[jmccabe]

Im ready to make my initial visit to the Ca DMV. When others say get all the paper work ready and write the big check. How big ? I spent a total of $20,000 to get to this point. What kind of tax would I pay for this amount ?

Thanks, Jeff

[matteo92065]

10%ish?

[CNC_Geek]

As I understand it there are only 500 certificates available each year. I went January 2 and found the process relatively painless. Not sure how long it took to actually receive the certificate as my car wasn't completely ready to be inspected. I just wanted to be certain of getting my cert before DMV closed the door for that year.

[jmccabe]

Thanks, that helps.

Jeff

[68GT500MAN]

The amount of the "big check" will depend on the city/county where you live. In California the sales tax varies by location, here in Fresno it is 8.225%, so your check would be $1645 plus the DMV fees.
Doug

[wleehendrick]

The amount of the "big check" will depend on the city/county where you live. In California the sales tax varies by location, here in Fresno it is 8.225%, so your check would be $1645 plus the DMV fees.
Doug

Don't let them 'double dip'... if you've already payed CA sales tax on any of that portion it shouldn't be taxed again. Kit and donor parts are likely not to have been taxed, of course, but if you bought other significant items locally (wheels/tires, etc...) and payed CA sales tax on them, that portion should not be taxed again... Bring receipts!

P.S. just closed on a house in CA... laughing at $2k being a 'big check'. ;)

[matteo92065]

Just made my BAR appointment in San Diego. 4 weeks out. Another $8.50
Interesting tid bit; BAR inspections are ONLY at Community Colleges.

btw: I just looked up my DMV fees. $167 in fees plus the sales tax (based on vehicle value). I don't know if any of the individual fees are flat or based on total vehicle value.

[JeromeS13]

If the BAR referee schedules are 3-4 weeks out, I think it's kind of ridiculous that they make you wait until you have the paper certificate in hand before you can make the appointment, ESPECIALLY when it takes the DMV 4-5 weeks to send that to you... I can understand requiring the CHP and Brake/Lamp inspections to be completed prior to the appointment... This is just a HUGE waste of time and causes unnecessary delays in the process...

/vent

[07FIREBLADE]

Also needing to make yet another trip to the dmv because my temp operating permit only lasted for 1 month and the bar inspection falls a bit out of that range. Of course this happens to me.

[Jeff C]

Tuesday April 21st 2015 - I walked into the Thousand Oaks DMV, no appointment. 3 hours later walked out with a Certificate of Sequence #111 and much lighter in the wallet. April 30th, brake and light inspection then back to the DMV the same day. Waited for 2 hours and walked out with a 60 day driving permit. June 3, CHP inspection passed and made B.A.R. appointment that day. The first appointment was July 7th. Passed the B.A.R inspection by 9 a.m and then back to the DMV. Waited 2.5 hours spent about 1/2 hour at the counter and left with my plates. Wahoo! Contact me if you need more info. Jeff C.

2014 FFR Mark 4 Street Version, no side pipes, roll bar or hood scoop. Engine Factory Dart 351W stroked to 427, Black paint by Jeff Miller
It was born at the Bat Cave April 3, 2015.

[68GT500MAN]

Just a side note, not all DMV clerks are requiring a brake and light inspection. Around here it is running about 50%. Not saying that it is a good or bad idea, just the facts.
Doug

[norcalLo]

HELP!
Bought a Cobra replica with a clean, clear Arizona title and license - trying to get it licensed here in California - spent 3 hours at DMV and here's my challenge:
1. Arizona Title states car is 1966 Cobra - 125,000 miles with a build date of 2005
2. It's a COBRAY -( I probably lost 3/4 of the readers at this stage LOL! - for those not familiar - it's a Cobra-esq body on a C-3 frame - 355 SBC matched to a Turbo 400 auto trans ) I know not a FFR but I don't fit in one and needed the extra 98" wheel base
3. DMV clerk could not put the 'square peg in the round hole' and advised that I need to go the SPNC route -
4. I have my CHP Inspection scheduled for Oct. 1, 2015 (**I'm in Sacramento)

My question is this:
a. Since I already have a title (albeit an Arizona Title) can I or how do I get my Certificate of Sequence?
b. Confirming the correct process: Apply for Certificate of Sequence, CHP Inspection then B.A.R. appointment?

Finally - (if I still have readers interested in my post.....regarding the turn signals and back-up light - my blinker switch is manual - I have to move it up/down to simulate the 'blinker' (might be a faulty blinker relay). How are you guys handling the back-up light?

Any support or recommendations would be GREATLY appreciated - Thanks!!!!

[matteo92065]

HELP!
Bought a Cobra replica with a clean, clear Arizona title and license - trying to get it licensed here in California - spent 3 hours at DMV and here's my challenge:
1. Arizona Title states car is 1966 Cobra - 125,000 miles with a build date of 2005
2. It's a COBRAY -( I probably lost 3/4 of the readers at this stage LOL! - for those not familiar - it's a Cobra-esq body on a C-3 frame - 355 SBC matched to a Turbo 400 auto trans ) I know not a FFR but I don't fit in one and needed the extra 98" wheel base
3. DMV clerk could not put the 'square peg in the round hole' and advised that I need to go the SPNC route -
4. I have my CHP Inspection scheduled for Oct. 1, 2015 (**I'm in Sacramento)

My question is this:
a. Since I already have a title (albeit an Arizona Title) can I or how do I get my Certificate of Sequence?
b. Confirming the correct process: Apply for Certificate of Sequence, CHP Inspection then B.A.R. appointment?

Finally - (if I still have readers interested in my post.....regarding the turn signals and back-up light - my blinker switch is manual - I have to move it up/down to simulate the 'blinker' (might be a faulty blinker relay). How are you guys handling the back-up light?

Any support or recommendations would be GREATLY appreciated - Thanks!!!!

a) I'm no expert, as I've only done one. I don't think that this project would qualify for SPNC as it was an existing frame with an existing VIN. But if you get that through...
b) yes, but add that you will probably need the Brake and Light inspection too. You can do the CHP and Brake and Light before getting the Sequence Certificate in the mail, but you need the actual piece of paper from Sacramento for the BAR inspection.
Finally) better fix the blinkers, they have to work. And stick any old light on to make a back-up light. These were thoroughly checked on my car three weeks ago.

[JeromeS13]

HELP!
Bought a Cobra replica with a clean, clear Arizona title and license - trying to get it licensed here in California - spent 3 hours at DMV and here's my challenge:
1. Arizona Title states car is 1966 Cobra - 125,000 miles with a build date of 2005
2. It's a COBRAY -( I probably lost 3/4 of the readers at this stage LOL! - for those not familiar - it's a Cobra-esq body on a C-3 frame - 355 SBC matched to a Turbo 400 auto trans ) I know not a FFR but I don't fit in one and needed the extra 98" wheel base
3. DMV clerk could not put the 'square peg in the round hole' and advised that I need to go the SPNC route -
4. I have my CHP Inspection scheduled for Oct. 1, 2015 (**I'm in Sacramento)

My question is this:
a. Since I already have a title (albeit an Arizona Title) can I or how do I get my Certificate of Sequence?
b. Confirming the correct process: Apply for Certificate of Sequence, CHP Inspection then B.A.R. appointment?

Finally - (if I still have readers interested in my post.....regarding the turn signals and back-up light - my blinker switch is manual - I have to move it up/down to simulate the 'blinker' (might be a faulty blinker relay). How are you guys handling the back-up light?

Any support or recommendations would be GREATLY appreciated - Thanks!!!!

Mine was a similar, but different situation (since yours is a replica and mine is not). I also started the process with an Arizona title and Arizona issued VIN.

You still need to do the same process. Initiate SB100 process with DMV. Do a CHP inspection. Do a brake and lamp inspection. Do a BAR inspection when you receive your SB100 certificate.

You will need to replace the flasher and have them blink automatically.

What's the issue with the backup lights? Yes, you need those, too.

[David Hodgkins]

I didn't need a backup light in 2011, has something changed? 1965 cars didn't have them...

:confused:

[JeromeS13]

I didn't need a backup light in 2011, has something changed? 1965 cars didn't have them...

:confused:

Ahhh. I wasn't aware of that. I would check with the shop performing the Brake and Lamp inspection (if it's required).

[68GT500MAN]

David, that is like most everything regarding the DMV in California. The shop I used up here in Fresno did not check for a back up light.
Doug

[norcalLo]

THANKS for the replies gang! I fixed the blinker problem - (just cleaned the contact points) I ordered a chrome license plate holder that has LED lights on the lower edge that I'll connect for my back-up lights (low profile and less holes) - waiting patiently for the October appointment, but having a '*****IN' time driving my new toy!!!!!! I've had nice cars in the past, but never had so much attention by everyone with this one LOL!!! Updates to follow and THANKS again!

[norcalLo]

**Quick question - any idea if I'll need a windshield wiper kit and if so single or double????

[JeromeS13]

**Quick question - any idea if I'll need a windshield wiper kit and if so single or double????

Depends on your CHP inspector. Mine didn't say anything about mine (no wiper).

[Bicyclops]

Reviving a very old thread. I'm registering my 818S. Went to the DMV, junked the donor, paid the use tax, and left with a one day operating permit. They would not give me a sequence number because I have no VIN. Asked for a supervisor and got the same answer.

I'm ready to do my brake and light inspection. My inspector is going to call BAR and see if they can live without side marker lights and center high brake light. I don't want to cut into my wiring again. He asked me what year it is and said that he could put it down as 0000 if I like. Should I say 1960 instead? I know that's what the air resources people will call it if I ask for it by body style. I know that I don't want to call it 2023. That's just asking for trouble.

Got a CHP inspection on May 2.

Ed Holyoke

[Bicyclops]

So to update, BAR referred my inspector to CHP 982, a document laying out what equipment must be present for various vehicles including specially constructed vehicles. Side markers and high center brake light were not listed. Headlights - low and high beam and high beam indicator, taillights, rear reflector (DOT approved taillights are reflective), license plate light, turn signal system, brake lights, and backup lights are all required. There is no mention of hazard flashers, but mine work just the same. Inspection went smoothly because I made sure all that stuff was working. Adjusted the headlights so that the height of the beam on a board neither increased or decreased when the board was moved 10 feet further from the car.

The only bad news is that my one day operating permit will expire 2 days before my CHP appointment, so another trip to the DMV is going to be required. And then another DMV visit right after that to get a sequence number and another operating permit. Oh well. Don't want to give them an excuse to fail me on a technicality.

Ed

[Dave 53]

I don't think there is any need to "play games" with model year. I would use 2023. I used 2021 on mine. It will be titled as a Specialty Construction Vehicle and the year doesn't matter. It's not titled as a Factory Five 818.

[Bicyclops]

I went with 0000. It's an option that is allowed in the system. We'll see how it goes with the CHP.

On another note, I'm not using the Subie PCV in the stock location. My AWIC piping made that unfeasible. Instead, I'm putting a Chevy valve inline to the induction tube with lines teed from the cylinder head breathers. Do you think the ARB inspectors are going to cry foul?

[Dave 53]

A PCV valve is a PCV valve. Just make sure to use proper PCV system hose. Because why wouldn't you? Except, I have seen more than one example of the improper hose being used. The brand hose I used isn't specifically labeled for use in a PCV system, but I oriented the hose with the part number visible and had the manufacture's web site ready to show the inspector which clearly showed it was approved for use in a PCV system.

As a side note, if you are going the track your car, the plastic OEM T that mounts on the engine block crank case vent that T's to the PCV and air intake will melt, at least mine did.

[Bicyclops]

Yeah, that OEM tee was in the way of my turbo outlet pipe so it had to go. That whole area is pretty inaccessible now. It's why I'm using the head vents for PCV. Thanks for the tip on using correct hose.

[Bicyclops]

Got my VIN and sequence number yesterday. CHP riveted a blue sticker on the frame aft of the driver side door. If you're worried about running out of sequence numbers - don't. Mine is 38.

Drove my first two canyon roads and it was a gas. The car really sticks corners. I have almost a hundred miles on her all of a sudden and doing an oil change. I've been avoiding boost. I'll be making my tuning appointment and put some more break in miles on. I may even get around to putting on the hood and hump lid. ;)

Ed

[blomb11]

I am starting to plan for applying for an SB100 next year. Can anyone provide the associated costs with this process I can use for budgeting? I know I will have to pay a tax on the vehicle, but how is this value assessed? Estimated value or total spent on the kit? I am hoping I can reduce it as much as possible since I have already paid sales tax on all the parts I have bought for the kit/build.

I will need to work on a few things to pass the inspection, but just trying to get a better gauge on what to plan to spend to get the paperwork done.

[Bicyclops]

I am starting to plan for applying for an SB100 next year. Can anyone provide the associated costs with this process I can use for budgeting? I know I will have to pay a tax on the vehicle, but how is this value assessed? Estimated value or total spent on the kit? I am hoping I can reduce it as much as possible since I have already paid sales tax on all the parts I have bought for the kit/build.

I will need to work on a few things to pass the inspection, but just trying to get a better gauge on what to plan to spend to get the paperwork done.

Howdy,

You're going to have fees for registration and for junking your donor if you haven't already. The biggest expense will be use tax. You fill out a form listing what you spent on the vehicle. Anything you've already paid tax on doesn't get hit again. I made it easy for the DMV lady by making up a sort of spreadsheet which clearly showed CA sales tax paid backed up with receipts, for example tirerack. Unless you paid use tax for the kit on your income tax return, you'll be hit with state and county tax on that. There's a line on the form for miscellaneous expenses for which you have no receipts. I threw $400 in there to give them something instead of trying to say "nope, nothing".

Brake and light inspection is up to the authorized repair station. I paid about $100. CHP inspection is free. It takes a while to get an appointment. About a month in my case. I'm still dealing with the BAR referee on smog, but I don't think there is a fee.

So, the smog ref appointment line makes a telephone appointment. That was a week out for me. The ref on the phone is going to want to see all your documents via email so it makes sense to scan them into pdfs and zip them into a file that you can send him without delay. My ref sent me an email in the morning which I didn't see until we were already on the phone, so I missed that opportunity. He also is going to want pictures of the PCV setup on your car complying with the diagram in the Subaru maintenance manual. I found mine on page EC-6 in section 8, (DOHC). You could have those ready to go also and make your life a lot easier. Once he approves your paperwork and pictures, he will clear your case and you'll go back to the appointment line to make an in person inspection appointment.

Ed

[Bicyclops]

This is how I'm solving the PCV/dry sump conundrum. I'm waiting for the referee to approve it.

Ed



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[blomb11]

Howdy,

You're going to have fees for registration and for junking your donor if you haven't already. The biggest expense will be use tax. You fill out a form listing what you spent on the vehicle. Anything you've already paid tax on doesn't get hit again. I made it easy for the DMV lady by making up a sort of spreadsheet which clearly showed CA sales tax paid backed up with receipts, for example tirerack. Unless you paid use tax for the kit on your income tax return, you'll be hit with state and county tax on that. There's a line on the form for miscellaneous expenses for which you have no receipts. I threw $400 in there to give them something instead of trying to say "nope, nothing".

Brake and light inspection is up to the authorized repair station. I paid about $100. CHP inspection is free. It takes a while to get an appointment. About a month in my case. I'm still dealing with the BAR referee on smog, but I don't think there is a fee.

So, the smog ref appointment line makes a telephone appointment. That was a week out for me. The ref on the phone is going to want to see all your documents via email so it makes sense to scan them into pdfs and zip them into a file that you can send him without delay. My ref sent me an email in the morning which I didn't see until we were already on the phone, so I missed that opportunity. He also is going to want pictures of the PCV setup on your car complying with the diagram in the Subaru maintenance manual. I found mine on page EC-6 in section 8, (DOHC). You could have those ready to go also and make your life a lot easier. Once he approves your paperwork and pictures, he will clear your case and you'll go back to the appointment line to make an in person inspection appointment.

Ed

Thanks! I have been keep a spreadsheet to tabulate my rolling cost for the build. I can make sure I separate out the taxes paid and put all of the receipts in a folder for when the time comes. I still have the PCV system or it looks like it is there at least. It is basically connected to itself but hard to tell. My biggest concern is instead of a parking brake I have a line lock on the rear brakes since I have Cadillac brembos in the rear. I may have to address this before applying.

Good luck with your smog appoinment with BAR! I will be following along to see how it goes and how much of an inspection it is :)

[JohnK]

Thanks! I have been keep a spreadsheet to tabulate my rolling cost for the build. I can make sure I separate out the taxes paid and put all of the receipts in a folder for when the time comes. I still have the PCV system or it looks like it is there at least. It is basically connected to itself but hard to tell. My biggest concern is instead of a parking brake I have a line lock on the rear brakes since I have Cadillac brembos in the rear. I may have to address this before applying.

Good luck with your smog appoinment with BAR! I will be following along to see how it goes and how much of an inspection it is :)


My advice to you is to leave the spreadsheet at home. First, it will just confuse the hell out of the DMV person. Second, you will end up paying far more in registration fees than you need to. All they really want to see for cost purposes is the Statement of Construction (REG 5036). That form only asks for the cost of the kit, frame (if separate) engine and transmission. That's all they asked for, that's all I showed them, that's all they charged me taxes on. :)

[Bicyclops]

Thanks! I have been keep a spreadsheet to tabulate my rolling cost for the build. I can make sure I separate out the taxes paid and put all of the receipts in a folder for when the time comes. I still have the PCV system or it looks like it is there at least. It is basically connected to itself but hard to tell. My biggest concern is instead of a parking brake I have a line lock on the rear brakes since I have Cadillac brembos in the rear. I may have to address this before applying.

Good luck with your smog appoinment with BAR! I will be following along to see how it goes and how much of an inspection it is :)

Howdy Blomb,

My understanding is that the e-brake must be a different system than the service brakes. That's why production cars have a drum brake setup inside the hat section of the rear rotor that's actuated via cable. I used some cable actuated Willwoods. I had to make a spacer to get the lever clear of the wheels inboard and of course custom brackets. The inspector asked if they slow me down to which I replyed "oh yes", and they do work pretty well. I'm in the San Fernando Valley if you want to swing by and see how I did it. The e-brake picture is b4 I made the spacer.

You might call a local brake and light inspector and ask him.

Ed

Ed186637

[Bicyclops]

So I finally finally got clearance from the ref for an in person appointment. I'm set for next Thursday. Fingers crossed. The bad news is, (and it's pretty bad), last week on the date of my phone appointment my engine developed a rod knock while on the dyno for tuning. The only upside is that my tuner is the same guy who built my bottom end and he says he'll make it right if I bring him the long block. With every bit of plumbing, wiring, and assembly after the engine was mounted my mantra was I hope I never ever ever have to take the engine out again. Oh well. :-( I've been putting off having to do that while working with the BAR ref. I just want to finish the licensing process before I take it all apart for overhaul. I'm going to drag it to my appointment on a trailer.

Bummed but happy to be making progress,

Ed

[Bicyclops]

Got it! Referee inspection was a piece of cake. The paperwork took much longer than the inspection. My ref is at Pierce College and there was no charge. We discussed where to put the sticker and wound up on the sheetmetal to the left of the driver side dead pedal. Went to the DMV and got my plates. Woohoo! Now I can take it apart to deal with that rod knock. :-(

On another topic, I used a U-haul car trailer and it worked out well. My advice would be to do the same as I did and put the car on backwards. I think the nose would hit the wheel stops if you went on forwards and you'd also wind up with the majority of the weight aft of the trailer axles. I cut a 2X12 12' in half to make demi-ramps to soften the angle for loading.

Ed

[blomb11]

Congrats! Sounds like you PCV system checked out as well. Was it just a visual inspection or did they plug into the OBD2 and check for codes?

[Bicyclops]

Took a few pix, looked at the hoses, and scrutinized my paperwork. They stuck the sticker on the car and took a picture of it and then cleared it on line to the DMV. I never inserted a key in the ignition so they didn't even look for a check engine light or ask where the OBD2 port is. I saw a set of rollers and a tailpipe probe but nobody ever mentioned using that. Pretty early in the visit, I was told that I wouldn't have to unload the car from the trailer.

By and large the phone interview was more stressful than the in person but only because I didn't understand what the PCV system was supposed to look like and hadn't made it so. Of course my PCV system is slightly more complicated because of the dry sump. If you follow the diagram in the manual and have all your paperwork scanned and emailed the morning of the phone interview, that one should be a piece of cake too.

Reading about others' experiences in the past, I'm struck by the seeming ignorance of the various bureaucratic actors. This was not my experience. Everyone was familiar with SB100 and had done it before, mostly Cobras it would seem. The only pitfall I can see with the referee would be to answer "inspect by engine type" when he asks and we all know to say body style. He did ask what year and smiled when I said "1960".

Let us all know how it goes when you get there.

Ed