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OnlyDreaming
06-22-2015, 12:02 PM
Hello everyone,

So I've had a passing interest in the 818 since I first found out about it about a year ago, an interest largely limited by the lack of a coupe version. Naturally, now it really has my attention, and the gears in my head are turning. A healthy budget could make for a badarse 818.

Here are the problems. I want it to be -electric- and daily drivable with a lot of usable bandwidth, I have chronic health issues that preclude me from building one myself, and to even attempt it, I'd have to give up my amazing 2014 Corvette Stingray, which is my 3-season daily driver (winter vehicle is a 4WD truck).

I know cars well, I know EV's (conversions and OEM's alike) fairly well, and I've skimmed through several electric 818 builds so my initial thoughts tell me that this is not a rational or feasible idea. Problem is, I am obsessive-compulsive and I will spend the next month obsessively researching and planning out every nut and bolt of the build, full of page long parts lists, costs, calculations, spreadsheets and all, then I'll come to the realization that this will never happen, then I'll just get depressed about the situation... until the next crazy idea comes along that is. Wash, rinse, repeat.

This time I thought I'd try something different. You experienced folks can shut me down before I get started. At worst, I might get some builder insight on something I find interest in regardless of outcome, and at best, this will be a reality-check thread for some other highly disfunctionally-aspirational people like myself. Either way, thanks for your time. :)

So my initial requirements for my 818e coupe dream would be around 200 whp max (a bit less would be acceptable), a real-world 60 mile range *at 70mph* (in other words, 100+ miles for typical range quotes), downpour-drivable (watertight), A/C and heat, at least a basic covered interior, and at least a simple 2-speaker stereo. It would probably be the heaviest 818 ever (more like an 1118, if you will, but that would be okay with me) if the required kWh would fit at all then it definitely wouldn't have any cargo space whatsoever except for the passenger seat, and it would certainly be expensive. My budget would be $50k which would be a lot for an 818, but I still don't think I could hit these goals with that if I built it myself, much less if I had someone else build it for me. Nissan Leaf battery modules, while still relatively hard to come by, are coming around and they're a relatively easy to package fairly stout cell. For paint I'd go cheap-ish (properly applied gallons of blue Plasti Dip) but everything else would need to be good new stuff for proper reliability.

Now please tell me how close I am on that, and how insane I would be to let go of my perfect 2014 super grand-tourer (non-Z51) with 460 hp, 30+ mpg highway (yes, honestly) daily driver with all the creature comforts and bells and whistles, a GREAT interior (finally!), 5000 total miles, and almost 4.5 years of warranty left... Just to wait a long time and suck gas in a miserable commute for a full size truck to finally get a limited use kit car, which might still not be as good but would cost as much as a used Tesla Roadster.

...On second thought, nevermind. I think I just worked it out for myself (how about that!). If you read all that, thanks anyway! You can still chime if you want to. :)

billjr212
06-22-2015, 01:09 PM
at a $50k budget, i would actually say your wish list is *theoretically* feasible...except this one: "downpour-drivable (watertight)"

Took Chevy over 40 years and millions of dollars in R&D/tooling to get there with the Corvette. Seems like it would be a stretch on the 818. (I'm not going to argue if someone tells me I'm wrong, but I'd be impressed)

Best of luck...by the way, people on this forum are here to talk you into crazy things like this so we can watch and learn. :-)

skullandbones
06-22-2015, 01:38 PM
It would be an extremely lucky event to find a hand built race car with the refinement of a late model Corvette. I think it is possible as some builders put such attention to detail and time on small areas or subprojects within the build. However, generally speaking, these cars (818, roadster, or whatever) require lots of attention and monitoring for maintenance whether that much time is actually spent in real maintenance work. I don't think you inspect your vette as much as many go over their project cars (could be wrong). If you get a chance to see and even drive an electric 818, it might help you make a better decision. But as far as reality checks, the distance between hand build cars and OEM daily drivers is so far, they're not really similar animals. Good luck however you go and welcome to the forum!

WEK.

Hindsight
06-22-2015, 01:57 PM
That's some good advice right there....

edwardb
06-22-2015, 02:45 PM
I saw the new 818 Coupe at the Open House, and also took the chance to climb in and out, linger a bit in the driver's seat, etc. I like it a lot, so don't take my comments as negative. Just in response to the OP. I would not rate the top as "downpour-drivable (watertight)." At least not as displayed, and I suspect that would be very difficult to obtain. Just the fact that it's removable means there's going to some challenges. Is the top better than my open top Roadster? Uh...yes. But daily driver in any kinds of weather? Sure, but I doubt it's ever going to be as tight as a DD. The driving position is very race car like. You sit real low with legs out pretty straight. Again, very cool and fun. But not maybe something for daily driving. At least not for me. Finally, it's a bit interesting to climb in and out of. The sill is quite wide over to the seat, and the window opening/roof line is relatively low. Not unlike a Daytona Coupe. For some, especially with physical limitations, could be a challenge.

wallace18
06-22-2015, 03:23 PM
I have built 4 FFR kits so far . IMO there is no way to achieve OEM type quality in these kits. They are great to build and drive but are not OEM quality. Millions are spent by manufactures to achive what we enjoy today. The kit car offers high performance at a relatively low cost. But not OEM quality IMO. Build one for the fun of it but do not expect it to be like a new Vette.

68GT500MAN
06-22-2015, 04:38 PM
Welcome to the forum. Eric H. built the EV 818 that was at last years SEMA show. Check out his build thread for more information.
Doug

OnlyDreaming
06-23-2015, 06:04 PM
Thanks for the responses and welcomes.

I wouldn't expect one of these to have the refinement or quality of any current mainstream production car, but I would have thought it was feasible to seal it enough in the critical places to deal with a heavy rain (such as the one that is happening outside right now, heh). It sounds like it might be harder than I thought.

While going for a fun, relaxed, and comfortable drive in the Corvette yesterday in less than ideal conditions (really hot and humid out with stretches of stop and go traffic) it fully sunk in how downright crazy I would have to be to give it up and pay a similar amount of money ($50k) for something that, honestly, would be so much less of a car. Not to take anything away from what the 818 is... I just think it is a much better value when built to its budget-oriented roots. I'm probably just repeating what all of you already figured out, so forgive me.
I also think that a good part of the fun would be building it myself, which I can't realistically do. Maybe someday my physical problems will go away then I can build a budget one while keeping my Corvette to enjoy for most of the year. Here's to hoping!

Thanks again and I'll certainly still check in on these builds from time to time. You guys do some awesome things. :)