Meet the All-New Factory Five 818C!

[Mad Dog]

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Introducing the all-new 818 Coupe! *This design joins the 818S street model and the 818R race model. *The design is based on the 818 chassis, but incorporates a new removable hard top coupe design with interior bulk head and power side windows, rear glass hatch and rear glass quarter windows. *The new Coupe also comes with a*revised front end which includes new fenders, 3D-printed headlamp bucket and revised headlight design, nose, and grill. *The new 818 Coupe will begin shipping this summer, and you can save your place in line by placing a pre-order for only $99. *The target production start date is August 1st, 2015.

Click here to place your pre-order. (http://www.factoryfive.com/order-a-kit/818c-pre-order-form/)

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The all-new 818 Coupe will be in production August 1st, 2015.

This car is the first 818 Coupe. *The side windows, rear quarter windows, and rear hatch are being manufactured in DOT compliant automotive glass. *The hard top design incorporates an inner liner and air duct for a roof scoop.

Existing Factory Five 818 customers will be able to purchase the upgraded 818 Coupe*parts (fenders, nose insert, headlight lamp assemblies, hard top with linear and bulk head, and windows) and pricing on these individual parts will be released shortly.

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Click here to view a full photo gallery of the new 818 Coupe. (http://www.factoryfive.com/galleries/project-818/818c-coupe/)

Click here to place your 818C pre-order. (http://www.factoryfive.com/order-a-kit/818c-pre-order-form/)

[Mad Dog]

http://www.factoryfive.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/DSC_6636.jpg
The left and right fenders are redesigned as is the front grill insert.

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The 818 Coupe was introduced at the 2015 Factory Five Racing Open House.

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The 818 Coupe design is the third on the 818 platform.

[metros]

*Cracks open defeated wallet*

Love the new additions. I especially like the headlights. Details for retrofitting to harness built for production run 818 headlights? Also would love to see some pictures of headlight output at night.

Are the new front fenders wider? They look a touch wider than the original fenders.

[Mechie3]

I like the long headlights. Much more modern. Any straight on shots?

[ClemsonS197]

Dare I say I like the old, non Darth Vader bumper better? The rest of the coupe looks really freaking good.

[AZPete]

Absolutely HOF. Kudos to all at Factory Five.

[TrickyPete]

Wow. I cannot say how awesome the coupe looks. I want that frontend on mine. Will you take credit if I trade you my S fenders and bumper??

[Mechie3]

Dare I say I like the old, non Darth Vader bumper better? The rest of the coupe looks really freaking good.

I like the fenders, lights, and brake vent. Undecided on center portion.

I noticed it has the STI 6 speed as well.

[C.Plavan]

I like the coupe, but I'm not sure if I like the front end all that much over the old one. I like some aspects. It does look like they increased the area so outside of the tires do not rub the lip (maybe wider/higher). Tires rubbing are a constant issue on my car at their stated ride height and wheel ET.

One of the elephants in the room will be how hot the drivers compartment gets.

[TrickyPete]

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Looks a little like a GTR to me.

[bbjones121]

I like the new design. Especially headlights. ....but I was really hoping for something to have been done about the seam between the front fender and door. Look at a GTR or Subaru WRX. The side vents could have been functional. And a sidemarker/turn signal is a must.

[bbjones121]

Actually, this new design has no visible turn signal from the side of the car. Is that allowed?

[Hindsight]

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Looks a little like a GTR to me.

I thought the same... At least the front does somewhat. I really like it!!!

[shinn497]

YES!

I see some influence from Vman's design updates:

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I really want to know the official word on the weight penaly for the coupe over the roadster. And has the new shape been wind tunnel tested? It seems like it would have a lower COD.

[Lumpyguy]

I am not feeling the new front end but love the hard top! Might order that as an upgrade.
The front end does look like it will be easier to assemble. Keep up the good work F5!

[flynntuna]

It looks like F5 has done a great job in addressing the complexity of assembling the front end. This should help in the frustrations builders are having putting the front end together.

[mikeb75]

I think the new front looks really nice, the lines seem smoother and less busy. Having a homage to the GTR isn't bad either :)

[Samiam1017]

I like the original front end better never liked the look of the GTR . did they release a price on the complete coupe kit?? will the old front end still be available?

[Samiam1017]

12990 found it

[Hindsight]

Looking at it more, there are things I really like about both the old and the new front ends. I'm kind of 50/50 on which I like.

[07FIREBLADE]

Already have ac in the works bring on the new top. Won't be getting hot. I want to know if the trunk insert will work or not. Maybe some pics with the hatch open and interior shots.

[milkman dan]

I like it... I like it ahh-lawt!

[bbjones121]

I am 50/50 on front end also. Love the top and already preordered.

[David]

The front of the car is much nicer... The coupe's lines are very really nice, very balanced looking. Im guessing its going to be an incredible seller.

[svanlare]

The coupe is very nice, hats off to FFR! Haven't decided on the front yet. Since I'm a long way away from putting the body on, I'll hold that as another option I can choose at a later date. I'm a big believer that the world needs more 2 seat roadsters so I'm sticking with that, but very interested in how the AC get solved.

[STiPWRD]

Wow the whole thing looks amazing and much more super car looking IMO than the old front end. I'm highly tempted to buy the front end but keep it as a roadster, for now. Great job FFR!

[nkw8181]

Waiting for front end pricing

[flynntuna]

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Looks a little like a GTR to me.

I see a trend,

[bbjones121]

Wish it could have gotten these.
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[John Dol]

I think they really knocked it out of the park on this one.
I liked the 818 before but the front end was way to tame for the car, and looked dated right from the start. The Camry lights never really looked right. The top in stylin' too.
If I wasn't building a coupe already this would be high on my list.

John

[Flamshackle]

Preeeeeee ordering!! This thing loos amazing! 10/10 FFR!

Love the new front end at first glance and more with staring time!



Just awesome, amazeballs, epic all rolled into one! So stoked :-)

[Mitch Wright]

I like the coupe and the front end as well, very aggressive looking.Great job FFR.
But I am also happy with what I have, I want to drive it before I even think about any more changes.

[Lumpyguy]

how is the engine compartment sealed off from the drivers area on the new coupe? a wall? cover?

[bigAl]

Many kudos for the effort to update and improve this design. Sorry to say, it really isn't successful from a visual standpoint. On the other hand, a coupe option is a very good thing.

[Lumpyguy]

It would be nice to have optional 1/4 glass/panels with a scoop to run tubes down the the intercooler?

[flynntuna]

how is the engine compartment sealed off from the drivers area on the new coupe? a wall? cover?

Sorry. Removeable as in the entire top. No targa option/design. Changing from a roadster to a hard top is going to be about 3x more time-consuming than with the 33 hot rod. There is an inner cockpit bulkhead and window that separates the driver from engine compartment. Still, I can see this as a change-over twice a year for those wanting to use both set-ups (roadster in warmer months and coupe in colder months or vice versa in warm climates!).

A quote from Dave in another thread.

[Frank818]

Factory did a marvelous job on the design! It gives a "massivier" look to the front end and the front feels less squashed, the car looks more like a one-of and very special car.

One flaw, just one to me, the headlight buckets don't seem to include integrated side markers, which makes them non-legal for Canada, so you have to add side markers somewhere by yourself, which is what I'll have to do.

Are these lights designed just for the 818 or they come from an OEM car?
Are there LEDs in the headlights? Halos?

So... now what do I do with my old fenders, bumper, OEM Camry headlights and aftermarket Spyder Camry headlights? :)

[07FIREBLADE]

I wonder how people get the GTM registered then. The front buckets seem to be a modified version of the GTMs lights. If those can get passed then the 818 should be doable.

[Frank818]

Well I made a slight mistake, I mentioned Canada but actually I should have said Provinces. Rules depend on State/Province/Country, in Quebec Province they are clear that you need front/rear side markers, but what do they actually do when you get the car inspected? Maybe they let it go. I could probably check with the rare ones who built and registered a GTM in QC, or those with a MK4, I know one.

All in all, I need that front end. :) It looks easier to fit too, as the bumper is part of the fenders and then there's an insert in the middle. I guess it uses the same front carbon fibre splitter. Can't wait to the individual parts prices and how the headlights light up.

[Cj_]

Well I made a slight mistake, I mentioned Canada but actually I should have said Provinces. Rules depend on State/Province/Country, in Quebec Province they are clear that you need front/rear side markers, but what do they actually do when you get the car inspected? Maybe they let it go. I could probably check with the rare ones who built and registered a GTM in QC, or those with a MK4, I know one.

All in all, I need that front end. :) It looks easier to fit too, as the bumper is part of the fenders and then there's an insert in the middle. I guess it uses the same front carbon fibre splitter. Can't wait to the individual parts prices and how the headlights light up.

I would have thought the three globes on this side could be used as indicators? Here in Australia we would have the same requirements. Have they released the 818C kit price yet?

[AZPete]

I've been staring at the photos all day and it looks better and better. It looks to me as if this hard top was created over 2 years ago and then they kept it locked up in a closet until now. The lines of this coupe top fit into the body too well to be an afterthought. Yeah, that's it, a conspiracy!

[metalmaker12]

I like the long headlights. Much more modern. Any straight on shots?

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[dukegrad98]

Deposit placed.

Cheers, John

[John Dol]

12990 found it

there you have it

on the side markers. Just pick any production car and get thise side markers. French them in to the body and your done. Small project in the scope of building the car!!:D

John

[icky]

can we get an interior pic?

[TrickyPete]

What is the black center portion of the bumper made of? Is it plastic or fiberglass?

[projectrally]

So...I was there today and The car looks absolutely stunning in person. It looks great in The photos, but Simply unbelievable in pictures. It's like a whole new car. I will definitely upgrade to this front end and top once I'm at that phase of my build.

I asked a few questions about the car today. Here is some of what I can remember...

- the top will have a liner that will resolve into a firewall to separate the engine compartment from the cabin, but they ran out of time to design it for open house, so interior pics won't help much yet. It will probably have a glass window in it for rearward visibility. They have this in the GTM already, so creating one isn't a new concept.
- the LED bulbs in the headlights can be configured or are configured (don't quite remember what he said there) to include a turn indicator.
- the car just got wrapped up yesterday afternoon in time to unveil it today, so some parts weren't 100% complete. All of the glass, for instance, was still being made, so they used lexan for the hatch, light covers, and rear 3/4 windows.
- the coupe will retrofit to all Street models, but it won't fit with the Race roll cage.
- the running gear for this car came from the blue and white 818R that they used to have, so it's got an STI 6MT and a strong 2.5L motor. I hope we get to see this thing out on the track!

[Mechie3]

It would be cool if the center piece had different styles. Just thinking ahead, my hood hinge won't work without an opening in that part, and I want both. lol.

The headlights remind me of Ferrari F12 lights. Hopefully they actually fit as well as they appear to in photos unlike the camry lights.

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[Vman7]

Since FFR posted the pictures this morning, been going over and over the pictures on FFR's website.

Right off I noticed the difference in the front fender flares. The front fender flares are wider in diameter and more in proportion with the rear fender flares.

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David

[Vman7]

Very tempting to work on some design mod ideas (customizing). I don't know if I really want to go down that road again with the 818.

David

[freds]

I guess that is intentional...not to spoil the line?

[Pearldrummer7]

Anyone see pricing on just front fenders and grill? For those of us with the "first gen" 818 body?

Looks incredible!

[Frank818]

there you have it

on the side markers. Just pick any production car and get thise side markers. French them in to the body and your done. Small project in the scope of building the car!!:D

John

That's exactly what I am going to do. It's just another thing that adds up to the list and it's a (small) step back cuz with camry lights they were there. Sad to improve and have a step back, but I like so much the new nose that I have to buy the parts. :)

[Kalstar]

Coupe price is 12,990

Inspiration was Ferrari 599 (they had a poster handing above the molding area where they designed the new front).

The new headlights are 3D printed, not OEM. There is a marker light inter grated (though ones in the mirror would be an awesome custom addition.

There is a "bulkhead" like the GTM with glass see through in the new 818c.

Best guess is 100lbs penalty. Top is pretty light (30ish), glass, power windows, mounts, headliner and grill insert add some weight.

This car must be seen in person, it truly is outstanding. They booted the GTM outside to showcase (3) 818, that speaks volumes.

[Lumpyguy]

I love the look of the coupe roof and might order one, it would have been nice if it had a separation at the top of the windshield to pop it off and put the rear deck on for summer (Canada) also I like the idea of the trunk even if it was small to put a few small bags or car cover when going away for the night somewhere. it looks like the trunk is not an option with the coupe unless the rear deck opens to get at the trunk.

[Frank818]

There is a marker light inter grated (though ones in the mirror would be an awesome custom addition.

Side marker or front marker?
I do have mirrors with indicators, might do the trick on that, although my province's rules aren't clear on how and where. I'll take the chance. :)

[Kalstar]

Side marker or front marker?
I do have mirrors with indicators, might do the trick on that, although my province's rules aren't clear on how and where. I'll take the chance. :)

Front marker but it is in the same place as the GTM so maybe it will fly. Mirror markers would be a nice addition either way.

The trunk "will" work with the couple according to Jim (the designer).

[Vman7]

Coupe price is 12,990

Inspiration was Ferrari 599 (they had a poster handing above the molding area where they designed the new front).



Really! Maybe inverted........lol

Ferrari 599 GTB
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[Mechie3]

Yeah, definitely inverted which gives the gtr or Evo X feel. It'd be much easier (I assume) for third parties to make different inserts vs new whole front bumpers. I'd love to see a 599xx looking insert.

http://www.topgear.com/uk/assets/cms/4ffeffff-6511-42f0-9413-122b9590c62a/670x377Image.jpg?p=090428_11%3A12

[Frank818]

Damn I love that red 818 of yours, Craig! lolll

[Maximus]

Well, after over 13 years of watching FFR grow I finally got in line on the 818C! I'd love to have a good breakdown on just how the conversion works to get to a roadster.

[flynntuna]

This Aston Martin concept's front end even though a front engine car has some similarities to the new coupe.

[mhoward1]

This might be the thing to finally get me out of the FFRC. Maybe.

[longislandwrx]

Did anyone sit in it?

[projectrally]

Did anyone sit in it?

I did. What do you want to know? The headliner/firewall hasn't been integrated yet, so it's unfinished, but there was TONS of headroom. Way more than I have in my 2010 MX-5 or my 2007 Forester XT. Legroom, hip room, etc. is unchanged from the roadster.

[Kerry & Kathy]

I did. What do you want to know? The headliner/firewall hasn't been integrated yet, so it's unfinished, but there was TONS of headroom. Way more than I have in my 2010 MX-5 or my 2007 Forester XT. Legroom, hip room, etc. is unchanged from the roadster.

How tall are you?
The door length and roof height look like they would make it tough for someone 6'4" to get in and out.

[longislandwrx]

I did. What do you want to know? The headliner/firewall hasn't been integrated yet, so it's unfinished, but there was TONS of headroom. Way more than I have in my 2010 MX-5 or my 2007 Forester XT. Legroom, hip room, etc. is unchanged from the roadster.

That's promising. I am interested in the headroom and how well a full cage would integrate. I was hoping there would be some shots from the inside.

[Speedy G]

I sat in it. I was surprised by a few things. I'm 5'10" or 1.78m btw. I found the seating position to be too low, the steering wheel was too high, and there was headroom almost like in my jeep wrangler (that means like a foot of space around my head). Getting in and out was difficult but mostly because of the seat having such high supports on the side of the bottom cushion. It's not that much lower than my beamer 135. The pedals fit me fine though. With an OEM style seat, I'd raise the seat and either use a removable steering wheel or at least a tilting one.

Btw, the coup does look great. The lights are ok. I actually prefer the ones I have (spyder). The rear hatch opens , but I'm not sure why. There's no real space there to put anything. They didn't have the windows in there but they did have the window racks/motors and they cut the holes for the glass, although I saw no weather strips. I think they just finished the shape. The details are still in the works. Would I buy the conversion? Nah, not because it's not cool, but because I want a targa top. I'm going to attempt to make it myself, but I'll probably use their window kit. I like the targa top on the porsche 918 and on the ferrari 458 spider:

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[bbjones121]

The front end is growing on me now.

[Meatball]

Have they released the color's name yet? I know Dave mention sherwin Williams but is there a reference for it? I think it looks wicked awesome

[DodgyTim]

I like the look of the new front end, but unless the headlights have been tested and approved they'd put the local registration authorities into meltdown.....:rolleyes:

[HealeyRick]

I think I like the looks of the coupe better than the roadster. I'm thinking AC would be a must if you live in a hot climate and want to use the car in summer. How hard would it be to fit?

[bbjones121]

I think I like the looks of the coupe better than the roadster. I'm thinking AC would be a must if you live in a hot climate and want to use the car in summer. How hard would it be to fit?

Some people already fit the vintage air ac/heat unit. I am working on mine now. You can mount it below dash support beams or I am going to rework them so my vintage air unit fits higher under dash.

[Speedy G]

Here's some pics I took of the 818C at the open house:

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[Tamra]

Is it just me or does the fender look like it doesn't meet the side sail?

[billjr212]

Is it just me or does the fender look like it doesn't meet the side sail?

Good catch. Looks like they might have had to slip some spacers in there to get it to clear the windshield frame, maybe?

[Nativo]

Can a 6'3' man with a helmet fit inside?

[xxguitarist]

Can a 6'3' man with a helmet fit inside?

Doubt it. I'm 5'11, torso longer than some. Our 818S has race seats slammed to the ground & the old fuel tank. There's barely length for my legs, and my helmet is barely under the rollbar.

[Bob_n_Cincy]

Can a 6'3' man with a helmet fit inside?
My son Michael is 6'3" 300lbs and fits with custom seat and no gas tank behind the driver.
The 818C looks like it goes up in front of the roll bar.
Bob

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=42796&d=1434560735

[Nativo]

My son Michael is 6'3" 300lbs and fits with custom seat and no gas tank behind the driver.
The 818C looks like it goes up in front of the roll bar.
Bob

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=42796&d=1434560735


Great to hear Bob:
What did you do about the gas tank?

Thanks,

[flynntuna]

Can a 6'3' man with a helmet fit inside?


Gurney bump. ;)

[Bob_n_Cincy]

Great to hear Bob:
What did you do about the gas tank

Thanks,
Gas tank is in front

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[Nativo]

Gas tank is in front

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Great. any idea on how it help/hurt weight distribution and cornering performance??

[Bob_n_Cincy]

Great. any idea on how it help/hurt weight distribution and cornering performance??
Half tank of gas (7gal) is about 50 lbs. I moved the battery to back.
The front of the 818 is very light. I prefer to add the weigh to the front.
Bob

[billjr212]

Here's some pics I took of the 818C at the open house:

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Curious - did FFR change something on the side inlets (the ones behind the doors) or simply cut the openings bigger instead of using that mesh and aluminum trim? I was thinking of simply cutting the openings bigger and will be quite pleased if this is the end result.

[Vman7]

I thought the fuel tank was somewherre behind the seats or where in that area, or did I miss that.......lol

Bob, is that something you did?

David

[Bob_n_Cincy]

I thought the fuel tank was somewherre behind the seats or where in that area, or did I miss that.......lol

Bob, is that something you did?

David
Hi david
Mike and I are both 6'+ and 300 lbs.
3 of us so far have go to a front mounted tank.
Bob

[Vman7]

Hi david
Mike and I are both 6'+ and 300 lbs.
3 of us so far have go to a front mounted tank.
Bob

I like that idea! Kind of kills it if you want to use the up front area for some kind of storage, but hey I would as well as some others, I am sure would prefer performance over storage.

David

[Bob_n_Cincy]

I like that idea! Kind of kills it if you want to use the up front area for some kind of storage, but hey I would as well as some others, I am sure would prefer performance over storage.
David

Hi David
I actually have lots of storage in the front.
I am going to add a large foam block in front (like a 30 gallon cooler) as crash protection and internal storage.
My main radiator is in the rear. The small radiator you see is for my Awic. I will be adding a duplicate radiator for the air-water-oil cooler.
Bob
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[Vman7]

Hi David
I actually have lots of storage in the front.
I am going to add a large foam block in front (like a 30 gallon cooler) as crash protection and internal storage.
My main radiator is in the rear. The small radiator you see is for my Awic. I will be adding a duplicate radiator for the air-water-oil cooler.
Bob
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Bob, soon as I read this post I knew there was something familiar about what you were saying. So I went back and checked some older posting in some of my 818 threads. Said to myself "oh yeah Bob is the one who asked me to mockup some rear venting for him and said why" :)

Now that I see the smaller rad in the front, you do have lots of room.

David

[D2W]

Love the new front end and top. Did they open the rear hatch? can you actually work on the car from the top or do you need to do everything from the bottom with a lift like a cayman?

[AZPete]

I believe the rear hatch of the coupe top is hinged so it can be opened.

[Bob_n_Cincy]

*The new Coupe also comes with a*revised front end which includes new fenders, 3D-printed headlamp bucket and revised headlight design, nose, and grill. *The new 818 Coupe will begin shipping this summer, and you can save your place in line by placing a pre-order for only $99. *The target production start date is August 1st, 2015.


Question: Will the 818R and 818S come standard with the new nose after August 1st, 2015.
Will the sexy eyes front end still be available?
Bob
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[projectrally]

Question: Will the 818R and 818S come standard with the new nose after August 1st, 2015.
Will the sexy eyes front end still be available?
Bob
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At the open house, Dave said the new nose was standard on the coupe and an upgrade for the other models. I took that to mean the old front end would still be the default for the R and S models.

[K3LAG]

Question: Will the 818R and 818S come standard with the new nose after August 1st, 2015.
Will the sexy eyes front end still be available?
Bob


I spoke with Dave Smith at the open house and he said that they will sell the new nose on the coupe and the original nose on the R and S. They will also allow you to get the 'other' nose as an option.

Larry

[flytosail]

I spoke with Dave Smith at the open house and he said that they will sell the new nose on the coupe and the original nose on the R and S. They will also allow you to get the 'other' nose as an option.

Larry

Either one, makes me cringe to think of mounting a front license plate.

[shinn497]

Any news if the new nose will be more expensive?

[Maximus]

I know it has only been a week, but any news on when the pre-order folks will hear about their place in line? :D

[flynntuna]

Either one, makes me cringe to think of mounting a front license plate.

This is a possible solution...

http://www.hidetheplate.com

[projectrally]

They told us at open house that the new nose will be an upgrade on the R and S, so I think that means it'll be more expensive. Dave did say he'd try to make it an affordable upgrade for current owners. But they also said the new headlight parts are a lot more expensive than the existing headlights, so I imagine it would have to be an upgraded cost option for new buyers to get the Coupe nose on an R or S.

[Frank818]

So far nothing on the website. I'd just like to know during which month they plan on releasing the price for current owners and ready to order. I have to plan my next build steps I don't want to start spending time on the old nose but if they plan on releasing the prices in September, then I have to organize something to start the body before even though I wouldn’t be able to align panels with the fenders.

[K3LAG]

Either one, makes me cringe to think of mounting a front license plate.

I know what you mean. I have to have a front plate in MD.

Larry

[dukegrad98]

Who else has received their order confirmation from FFR? Mine came by e-mail today.

Cheers, John

[nkw8181]

Nothing here yet. A bit jealous. What is the eta?

[07FIREBLADE]

When did you put down your deposit for the hardtop? I haven't gotten anything except a receipt of payment when it was announced. I really want to find out pricing for the front end.

[Aero STI]

When did you put down your deposit for the hardtop? I haven't gotten anything except a receipt of payment when it was announced. I really want to find out pricing for the front end.

Agreed, I like the new front end a lot, but is it affordable?

[longislandwrx]

Either one, makes me cringe to think of mounting a front license plate.



weld a bolt to the frame and use this bad boy

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[508wrx]

Agreed, I like the new front end a lot, but is it affordable?

Give the cost of the hardtop... I wouldn't be surprised is the cost was similar for the front end.

[dukegrad98]

I ordered an entire 818C, not just a hardtop, and I have no idea what pricing will be on replacement parts for guys with the original bodies or when they will be available. The coupe is priced at $12,990 before options.

No exact word on timing. My confirmation e-mail repeated what Dave Smith has already said -- production begins in August and delivery dates to follow. My e-mail said to expect further details around that time.

I know I was in the first handful (four or five) to plop down a deposit on the 818C when the website opened for those orders. I don't have any idea how many they have backlogged that they are working through.

Cheers, John

[Frank818]

What exactly will start production in Aug?

- The 818C (which is essentially the hard top);
- The new Front End parts as an upgrade;
- Both.

[dukegrad98]

What exactly will start production in Aug?

- The 818C (which is essentially the hard top);
- The new Front End parts as an upgrade;
- Both.

Frank, you'd have to ask the factory to be sure. But I think by inference, the answer is "both" as far as manufacturing. Sales may be another matter. The 818C is being shipped ONLY with the new bodywork, or so I have been told -- that implies that by August they will be making the hardtop and the new front end. (Actual shipment dates are unknown to me -- the exact quote from my order confirmation e-mail was as follows: "Production for the Coupe is slated for August and we will be contacting you then to put you on the schedule.")

I have no idea when there will be spare front ends to ship as upgrades to existing 818S/818R kits, or if they will over-produce those and try to ship them simultaneously with the new coupe. I don't know how much of a backlog they have for 818C orders after the announcement, and I don't know how many hardtop-only orders they have for 818S kits. Hardtop apparently will not fit 818R.

Cheers, John

[Oppenheimer]

I really like the new front end, and hardtop. Awesome.

The new nose I see some strong influences from the popular 'catfish' design contest entry, the one by Xavier.

Regardless if you like it or not, I expect most would agree it certainly looks a whole lot less kit, and whole lot more car now. Very OEM look. This is perhaps the highest compliment one can give to a component car.

[Frank818]

Regardless if you like it or not, I expect most would agree it certainly looks a whole lot less kit, and whole lot more car now. Very OEM look. This is perhaps the highest compliment one can give to a component car.

It looks more like a special high end one-off concept car, which means it will attract even more attention, which means I want it even more. loll

Speaking of which, the new nose will be available to everyone at the same as the 818C normal orders (not pre-orders) and production, so let's aim August for now.
I am SO damn lucky I haven't started body work yet! Something tells me this new nose will be a lot easier to fit, it looks like it, hopefully it is. I'll deal with the side markers I need for inspection that are not on the new nose but are on the old headlights (Camry's). I prefer to fit side markers than having a lot of issues fitting the bumper, fenders and headlight buckets.

[07FIREBLADE]

Side markers shouldn't be too hard to implement. It's a heck of a lot easier than the current front end. I want the new front so bad just don't want it to cost an arm and leg to get. The top is a stretch but I get where the price comes into play with all of the components you get with it.

Hopefully the new front will come in for half the cost as the top but I don't know yet. If memory serves I remember a guy on here trying to get a replacement front bumper and it was going to cost a fortune from the factory. Hopefully they do a pre order or give a discount for guys who want it that already ordered a kit. Something that falls in line with the upgrade cost for the new parts for new buys of the S or R. Only time will tell though.

[Frank818]

I remember that guy, he hit coming off (or in) his driveway if I recall. Hum, 475? Was that the cost of the bumper?

I'm sure FFR wasn't selling bumpers alone a lot, but they will sell quite more the upgraded front nose, so that may help to reduce cost. Plus, the bumper is now a plastic insert or something? Maybe that helps reducing costs too.

I say between 1k and 2k, mostly at the 1.5k mark. :) Shipping's going to kill me, though.
If they sell the base kit for 10k+the hard top at 3k+the nose at 1.5, that makes the 818C kit at 14.5k.

[JeromeS13]

I remember that guy, he hit coming off (or in) his driveway if I recall. Hum, 475? Was that the cost of the bumper?

I'm sure FFR wasn't selling bumpers alone a lot, but they will sell quite more the upgraded front nose, so that may help to reduce cost. Plus, the bumper is now a plastic insert or something? Maybe that helps reducing costs too.

I say between 1k and 2k, mostly at the 1.5k mark. :) Shipping's going to kill me, though.
If they sell the base kit for 10k+the hard top at 3k+the nose at 1.5, that makes the 818C kit at 14.5k.

That was me. I ended up paying $750 for the bumper, plus $350 or so for shipping to AZ.

[07FIREBLADE]

Lol didn't want to through names out there but I knew it was you. I was just using you as an example for a part that size I can see it being somewhat expense to upgrade hopefully they will work with current kit owners.

[dukegrad98]

If they sell the base kit for 10k+the hard top at 3k+the nose at 1.5, that makes the 818C kit at 14.5k.

I'm confused... It's no secret that the 818C is priced at $12,990.

Cheers, John

[Buzz Skyline]

Well $14.5k is the effective price for those of us converting an 818S to an 818C. It won't be so bad for me because I like the 818S front end more so I'm not going to buy the new one.

[Oppenheimer]

...and then your old, unused bumper can be sold to someone with an unconverted 818S (or R) and gets in wreck. If they live driving distance to you, they would probably be willing to pay the full $750 price (that FFR would charge), so they don't have to pay $350 or so for shipping (plus have to wait for it to arrive).

Your old fenders, etc would probably be spare parts gold as well.

[Frank818]

Well after scientific calculations lolll, I came up with my guess.

New Front nose priced at $1,499.
Introductory price at $1,349.
Super Introductory price for existing S owners who bought before XYZ date at $1,199.
:)

I will not edit this post to change numbers after they give us the price.

[Flamshackle]

It looks more like a special high end one-off concept car, which means it will attract even more attention, which means I want it even more. lol

I totally agree, Which is why I finally pushed go a purchased one :-)

[07FIREBLADE]

How about double discount if you preorder the 818 in the first place and then the hardtop. That should count for something hopefully Dave checks on this thread and helps people out lol. Frank I love your scientific calculations did your trusty scientific calculator come up with those numbers.

[Oldfart01]

Does anyone know what's involved & what parts are needed to put the new top & glass on an already built 818S?

[Flamshackle]

Does anyone know what's involved & what parts are needed to put the new top & glass on an already built 818S?

yes. buy the $3000 coupe top from FFR. instructions I guess will come with the top.

[Flamshackle]

Any word on development?

[Oldfart01]

yes. buy the $3000 coupe top from FFR. instructions I guess will come with the top.

I would have assumed the doors would be different also for the roll up windows.

[Flamshackle]

I would have assumed the doors would be different also for the roll up windows.

just send an email to FFR they will get in touch with all the info I am sure. the doors don't look different to me but they will confirm that.

[nkw8181]

Any updates yet?

[Maximus]

Nothing as of the 9th when I talked to them last.

[White fish]

Are there any pics of the hard top off?
whats involved in removing it?

[Frank818]

Strange, I thought Sgt.Gator wrote something right now here.

Anyway I was answering "I don't know, but we're in August and I see no updates on FFR website for now".

[bbjones121]

Strange, I thought Sgt.Gator wrote something right now here.

Anyway I was answering "I don't know, but we're in August and I see no updates on FFR website for now".

He must have deleted it. I got the email notice also.

[07FIREBLADE]

Now I'm sad. Got my hopes up for nothing.

[SnyderJD]

He must have deleted it. I got the email notice also.

Email notice?

[redfogo]

I read the comment yesterday or maybe I dreamed it. But the comment said something like is the body style going to be the replacement for the standard 818s and R.

I may have dreamt it though. I just remember coming to the thread thinking ohh a new 818c update!

[mhoward1]

Email notice?

If you subscribe to the thread you can opt to have an email sent to you on new posts.

And yes, that was the jist of the question. I still have the original post here somewhere.

[Sgt.Gator]

Lol, yes I was asking if it would be the new nose for all 818s. Then I found the answer further back in the thread so I deleted the post.
Sorry for the confusion, you weren't dreaming!

[SnyderJD]

If you subscribe to the thread you can opt to have an email sent to you on new posts.

And yes, that was the jist of the question. I still have the original post here somewhere.

yeah after I re read the post a couple of times i figured out the notice comment. In my sleep deprived state (a new born daughter) i misread the email notice to mean something about the 818 production date.

[mhoward1]

yeah after I re read the post a couple of times i figured out the notice comment. In my sleep deprived state (a new born daughter) i misread the email notice to mean something about the 818 production date.

No, they did that by personal phone calls to people they really like. Wait, you didn't get the call?

;)

BTW, congrats on your new Daughter.

[SnyderJD]

No, they did that by personal phone calls to people they really like. Wait, you didn't get the call?

;)

BTW, congrats on your new Daughter.

I knew I should have answered that call from Mass. Ha... Thanks for the congrats, I knew I was lucky when I saw the ultrasound. ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCVB_mRIHPg

[choobs]

Does anyone know if the 818c has any covers over the engine area similar to the 818s? If the 818c does not, this will probably solve a lot of issues with swapping in taller engines over the EJ205.

[Frank818]

I thought there was a glass panel over the engine, but either way there is more room than on the S, based on pix we've seen.

[redfogo]

http://www.factoryfive.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/DSC_6668-694x413.jpg should be more room not sure how much of an improvement though.

[choobs]

I thought there was a glass panel over the engine, but either way there is more room than on the S, based on pix we've seen.

Even if there is a plexiglass cover, that can always be changed. That isn't a major body panel :D

[apexanimal]

i think it's the cross beams that are the height restrictor...

someone can feel free to correct me...

[choobs]

i think it's the cross beams that are the height restrictor...

someone can feel free to correct me...

Yeah, but that can be fixed with an angle grinder or sawzall :p

[apexanimal]

truf

[07FIREBLADE]

Mid August time for an update...

[Frank818]

I want my nose. :)

[bbjones121]

I want my top

[07FIREBLADE]

I want both..

[Flamshackle]

I want my whole car...

[TouchStone]

Anyone seen this video? Has some close ups of the 818C.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=195&v=xqn696Ludwc

[07FIREBLADE]

I want my whole car...

Ouch I hear you and felt the same way when I was waiting for Stewart to show up. It got delayed 3x before they finally figured out how to get to my location. Yours will be a bit worse but I understand the frustrations.

[07FIREBLADE]

Anyone seen this video? Has some close ups of the 818C.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=195&v=xqn696Ludwc

Saw that video when it first came out. If i remember correctly though they got the prototype top so their may have been some slight changes. To bad it doesn't show the interior of the car or the top. Thats a shot no one has shown or commented on.

[Flamshackle]

Ouch I hear you and felt the same way when I was waiting for Stewart to show up. It got delayed 3x before they finally figured out how to get to my location. Yours will be a bit worse but I understand the frustrations.

I am actually not frustrated. Just always keen for development info :-)

[Oppenheimer]

Are there any photos of how the new nose looks when paired with a roadster 818s (no hardtop)?

New nose is now an option for new 818s kit orders, correct? Wondering how new nose looks topless.

Maybe someone with some photoshop skilz could put something together. Certainly this could help people placing orders going forward to decide...

[Bob_n_Cincy]

Are there any photos of how the new nose looks when paired with a roadster 818s (no hardtop)?

New nose is now an option for new 818s kit orders, correct? Wondering how new nose looks topless.

Maybe someone with some photoshop skilz could put something together. Certainly this could help people placing orders going forward to decide...

I was under the impression the new nose would be the new standard.
We should name the noses.
Subaru has bugeye, blobeye, and hawkeye.

I vote for sexy-eye for the original?
44596

Somebody figure out something for the new front end.
44597

[redfogo]

I was under the impression the new nose would be the new standard.
We should name the noses.
Subaru has bugeye, blobeye, and hawkeye.

I vote for sexy-eye for the original?
44596

Somebody figure out something for the new front end.
44597

The more sexy eye? Shots fired Jk jk :) current version has more of a snake eye/ front end to me, the new style is more GT-R style eye sorry can't think of an animal :(

[Buzz Skyline]

Catfish?

http://www.dcinsidertours.com/dc-history/what-do-you-think-thursday-magnetism-by-hand-discharged-catfish-and-poor-willie-thompson/

[Bob_n_Cincy]

Catfish?

http://www.dcinsidertours.com/dc-history/what-do-you-think-thursday-magnetism-by-hand-discharged-catfish-and-poor-willie-thompson/

I don't think that will go over well as there is another kit out there called a catfish.
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[AZPete]

Widemouth?

[Oppenheimer]

How about Xabier, since it appears this design is highly inspired by his FFR contest entry.

[07FIREBLADE]

It's like a bottom feeder or catfish but that's taken already.

[Flamshackle]

I was under the impression the new nose would be the new standard.
We should name the noses.
Subaru has bugeye, blobeye, and hawkeye.

I vote for sexy-eye for the original?
44596

Somebody figure out something for the new front end.
44597


I think the "more sexy eyes" front end is a good name also ;-)

Seriously I actually like them both. The coupe got the tick from me purely because of the climate I live in.
The old front end is nice apart from the bumper. The bumper struggles to work with the design IMO

[07FIREBLADE]

How about we go about build assembly frustration.

Original - PITA…

New - hopefully not a PITA to assemble

[flynntuna]

Given the aquatic theme that the thread took...

[Oppenheimer]

Given the aquatic theme that the thread took...

So you're suggesting calling the new nose Bruce?

[redfogo]

So you're suggesting calling the new nose Bruce?

I will +1 the idea Snake eye and the Bruce

[flynntuna]

If the fin fits.

[Frank818]

I say between 1k and 2k, mostly at the 1.5k mark. :)

Damn I was SO wrong!!!!! :)


Front nose upgrade is $799, and includes two fenders, head lamp buckets and lenses, projector head lamps, eight (8) LED indicators, bolt-in grille insert with mesh, and steel mount brackets for retro fit to 818S nose.

[07FIREBLADE]

Im glad we were all wrong. Makes upgrading so much easier.

[Kurk818]

Where did you see the listed price of $799?

[Frank818]

It's now on the website and Dave just posted a new thread.

http://www.factoryfive.com/whats-new/factory-five-august-818-update/

BTW Kurk, still fabing those side scoops? :)