For Sale: Fiberglass Side Scoops

[Kurk818]

5/23/17: Pictured below is the first CF version of the scoops. These are an overlay. I want to produce these in a vacuum bag setup due to the tight angle changes. Just wanted to post a teaser for now because they look pretty awesome on the 818. :)


http://i.imgur.com/T67o9Mp.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/frUX55V.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/xw0OPh1.jpg

4/10/17 Update: Ive had some recent interest in more scoops, which plays in nicely with my current schedule, to produce a few sets of scoops. I wanted to get a tally of who and what was needed. You can PM me or post within the thread Thanks




Im offering side scoops for the 818S and 818R for sale. They are available in a black gelcoat finish or white.

First set has gone to C.Plavan for installation and feedback.

The price for a pair of scoops is $375 plus shipping.

Please PM me with questions or to place an order.

I will only be producing 5 scoops sets at this time due to other obligations. August or so i should be able to produce more.


http://i.imgur.com/jxhfF0c.jpg


http://i.imgur.com/8Mi8hOK.jpg


http://i.imgur.com/c46OCOe.jpg

Stanley

[Oppenheimer]

http://i.imgur.com/c46OCOe.jpg



your garage has TWO fridges? How much beer do you need?

[Kurk818]

your garage has TWO fridges? How much beer do you need?

Lol, i dont judge, you shouldn't either :)

I spend enough time in there that its pretty much a necessity.

[Evan78]

I'm not in the market for these yet, but it would be cool to see a shot of the whole car from the side along with front and rear 3/4 views.

[Kurk818]

I will have the car on its wheels and outside this weekend and will take some more photos.

http://i.imgur.com/43nT2D6h.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/Fv6cv6ch.jpg

Ive posted more photos here as well. http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showthread.php?17443-Side-Scoops-Teaser-Pic/page2

[sponaugle]

I'll take a set!

[Kurk818]

Update pics in first post.

[wleehendrick]

Im offering side scoops for the 818S and 818R for sale. They are available in a black gelcoat finish or white.

First set has gone to C.Plavan for installation and feedback.

The price for a pair of scoops is $375 plus shipping.

Please PM me with questions or to place an order.

I will only be producing 5 scoops sets at this time due to other obligations. August or so i should be able to produce more.

Stanley

Hi Stanley,

They look great and I would be interested in a pair in black. However I'm in no rush and can wait til your August production.

Thanks,

Lee

[Kurk818]

Hi Stanley,

They look great and I would be interested in a pair in black. However I'm in no rush and can wait til your August production.

Thanks,

Lee

Sounds good. Ill put you down for a set

[C.Plavan]

I'm not totally finished, but maybe tonight. Then I will take some better pictures outside.
http://i.imgur.com/w6aqap4l.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/QHeEZYnl.jpg

[Kurk818]

I'm not totally finished, but maybe tonight. Then I will take some better pictures outside.
http://i.imgur.com/w6aqap4l.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/QHeEZYnl.jpg

Looks great. Hopefully you can roll it out today and get some full view shots.

Fitment go ok?

Stanley

[C.Plavan]

KAAA CHOW!

http://i.imgur.com/xEe5Qu6l.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/N5Otoa4l.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/Dgc3ZKAl.jpg

Much easier than putting any part of the body on previously :)

[Kurk818]

I have one left in black. Let me know if you're interested.

[Kurk818]

I'm starting another run of the scoops. Please PM me if you're interested.

[Kurk818]

http://i.imgur.com/dKXHLvD.jpg

[Kurk818]

I have a set in white ready to ship. PM me if you would like them

[Kurk818]

Example of a black set.

http://i.imgur.com/9rBq1gL.jpg

[07FIREBLADE]

Now if you could knock out a clean set in carbon you'd have some buisness. Not some ffr Carbon some real carbon lol

[Kurk818]

I'm working on it. ;)


Now if you could knock out a clean set in carbon you'd have some buisness. Not some ffr Carbon some real carbon lol

[Frank818]

Guys, just buy those scoops, quality is awesome.

[wleehendrick]

Example of a black set.

http://i.imgur.com/9rBq1gL.jpg

56362

Those would be mine :D... They just arrived yesterday and look great; Thanks, Stan! FFR should hire you to run their FG production!

Unfortunately, they're going into storage and the 818 is getting wheeled out of the garage this weekend as an epoxy floor goes in. Hopefully the improved digs will inspire me to spend more time in there and finish the build.

[tmoretta]

How do the scoops mount? Do they have to be fiberglassed on pre-painting?

[wleehendrick]

I haven't mounted them yet, but Stan provides them with two mounting studs/nuts glassed into each scoop. You could glass them on for a seamless/show quality look, but drilling two holes into the sides sails, and adding a bead of silicone/RTV, should be sufficient, and all I plan on.

[tmoretta]

Seems like meager fitment. Will they stay on at speed?

[wleehendrick]

Seems like meager fitment. Will they stay on at speed?

Chad had a set on his R (see above in this thread (http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showthread.php?17704-For-Sale-Fiberglass-Side-Scoops&p=197375&viewfull=1#post197375)); I'd be curious to know if he added any reinforcements or had any issues?

[Kurk818]

There are 4 mounting points for each scoop. These scoops do pull a large quantity of air and that can be felt by putting your hand inside the scoop while driving but no where near what it would take to rip them off. 1800 miles so far with speeds of up to 120mph without any issues.

teaser
http://i.imgur.com/YKix3DSh.jpg

[07FIREBLADE]

Could you flip the scoop over and show the mounting points. I know the back two that you can see I already cut my side sail so I have to get creative to use this area to mount your scoops.

[Kurk818]

Could you flip the scoop over and show the mounting points. I know the back two that you can see I already cut my side sail so I have to get creative to use this area to mount your scoops.

This is the best pic i could find at the moment that shows the two from mounting points
http://i.imgur.com/YCCdJich.jpg

[Canadian818]

teaser
http://i.imgur.com/ykix3dsh.jpg

take my money!!!!

[bbjones121]

There are 4 mounting points for each scoop. These scoops do pull a large quantity of air and that can be felt by putting your hand inside the scoop while driving but no where near what it would take to rip them off. 1800 miles so far with speeds of up to 120mph without any issues.

teaser
http://i.imgur.com/YKix3DSh.jpg

Sweet!

[RM1SepEx]

There are 4 mounting points for each scoop. These scoops do pull a large quantity of air and that can be felt by putting your hand inside the scoop while driving but no where near what it would take to rip them off. 1800 miles so far with speeds of up to 120mph without any issues.

teaser
http://i.imgur.com/YKix3DSh.jpg

right after I reluctantly buy white... They look damn good from here

[Kurk818]

This is an overlay. There are issues with it that are not visible in the photo. I will put this set on my car for fitment but will not be selling carbon fiber scoops until I am happy with the result.

I do have a set in white available to ship today.

[C.Plavan]

One Upper here :) - I had mine over 130mph- multiple times, many laps, without any issues. :)

[RM1SepEx]

This is an overlay. There are issues with it that are not visible in the photo. I will put this set on my car for fitment but will not be selling carbon fiber scoops until I am happy with the result.

I do have a set in white available to ship today.

You mean wrapped?

[Kurk818]

You mean wrapped?

What's your definition of overlay vs wrap?

This was actually carbon fiber fabric that was layed up with epoxy over a black set of scoops followed by 3 coats of clear, cut and polish.

[07FIREBLADE]

I have no problem taking a set of defective ones. I don't need them to be perfect carbon fiber. It's going to be better than the stuff ffr provides anyway.

[RM1SepEx]

Wouldn't that be too thick for the opening, they fit pretty well.

Wrap would by vinyl... I understand the term overlay. Great idea to try it!

[Kurk818]

I have not fit this set into the factory panels as of yet. I know they won't fit up as tight as the molded pieces but the fitment should still be pretty decent. This was just a test run to try the concept out.

I have not fit them to my car as of yet

[tmoretta]

Anybody actually use these scoops yet that can attest to their effectiveness? Does considerably more air enter the side vents or do they serve merely to look bad ***?

[Kurk818]

What kind of test would you like to see performed to demonstrate effectiveness of the scoops?

Another photo dead on from the front.

http://i.imgur.com/xmFslOn.jpg

[tmoretta]

Some kind of measure of increase in air volume/flow.

[Kurk818]

I've purchased this anemometer to conduct some testing of air flow just inside the scoop area with and without the scoops.

https://imgur.com/4hiC0Zf

Bad/good idea? Input on where to mount?

[tmoretta]

Great idea! I am anxious to see results. Don't know about where to mount, I guess back side of FFR scoop.

[DMC7492]

Kirk great idea, testing at several different speeds,ex 10,30,45,65 MPH. I am more interested at lower speeds such as city driving in an 818S.
I noticed while carting at 30-45 MPH going with the wind. The cooling fans would kick on this is the only time they ran. Leads me to believe the engine compartment must also be getting hot during this condition.

[Canadian818]

Good stuff! It will no doubt validate your work and help you sell more.

[FFRSpec72]

Then compare to the factory vent to get a base line

[Kurk818]

I plan on performing a test with and without the scoops at set speed increments and provide a spreadsheet of the results. The gauge is able to show Cubic Feet /Minute results which i think will be the biggest indicator of functionality.

[DMC7492]

Kirk how is the scoop functionality tests going?

[Kurk818]

I've been working 70+ hours a week lately. I definitely think about needing to do it lately. Need to find a passenger to take notes safely as well.

I definitely haven't forgot though.

[RetroRacing]

We need a set asap, who do I need do to get a set?:cool:

[Kurk818]

(8/29 EDIT - See Post #65 below for more accurate data)


I was finally able to perform some testing of CFM air flow with and without the scoops. My cut out was larger than most so craft paper was used to cover and funnel the air flow. See photos.

Graph shows air speed in CFM as it relates to vehicle speed (Labeling is wrong on the X,Y axis). Since air flow fluctuates a little with speed, the average CFM was taken for each speed.

I just noticed from the photos as i was writing this post that the test with the scoops did not have direct flow towards the meter (as you can see in the photo). I think this may have caused some turbulence and will have to correct the issue and retest at some point soon.

I also posted a photo of my intercooler temps just outside my turbo and just prior to entering the throttle body. They stayed pretty constant at a little over 100*F with ambient temp at 95ish degrees.

http://i.imgur.com/IlHqYsgl.jpg


http://i.imgur.com/mAI3r9dl.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/zyCDxRsl.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/eZ74xg9l.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/wmozqeql.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/SzdkiRLl.jpg

[Kurk818]

We need a set asap, who do I need do to get a set?:cool:

Lol PM sent

[FFRSpec72]

So I wonder what the external scoops would be like with the internal scoops I have now, as that combo should be awesome for a TMIC

[Kurk818]

Tony, i was wondering that same exact thing. I may have to make an inner scoop/duct setup for 4" and 6" ducting. There is definitely some air volume there that can be of great use for our application.

Do you know if FFR intends to sell their inner scoops as an option?

[FFRSpec72]

Tony, i was wondering that same exact thing. I may have to make an inner scoop/duct setup for 4" and 6" ducting. There is definitely some air volume there that can be of great use for our application.

Do you know if FFR intends to sell their inner scoops as an option?

I think it will depend on the feedback that they get on the scoops, so I may be interested in getting a set of yours if they will still mount since I have the internal scoops

[Kurk818]

I think it will depend on the feedback that they get on the scoops, so I may be interested in getting a set of yours if they will still mount since I have the internal scoops

The front mounting points will mount without issue. Looks like the 2 rear mounting points will need to be installed through the Ffr piece. Your original edge body line is in tact. You won't be able to tell you have the inner scoop when the outer scoop is installed

[DMC7492]

I like the results. Was CFM based on the square inches of the scoop inlet area or the area of the little fan?

[Frank818]

Captain, what does it mean a speed of 5000? 5000mph? lolll 5000in/h?
I'm trying to determine the speed cut point at which the scoops give more CFM than without (1100 on the pic).

[Kurk818]

I like the results. Was CFM based on the square inches of the scoop inlet area or the area of the little fan?

Cfm was based on the area of the fan.

[Kurk818]

Captain, what does it mean a speed of 5000? 5000mph? lolll 5000in/h?
I'm trying to determine the speed cut point at which the scoops give more CFM than without (1100 on the pic).

Lol. I noted in the posted that the X,Y axis labels were swapped.

25mph is the last time the cfm readings are close.

[DMC7492]

Cfm was based on the area of the fan.

Great let's say I'm not an aeronautical engineer, if the results were multiplied by the area of the inlet, like three or four times and the graph paper was removed, is it safe to say the air flow would be 9000-12000 CFM at 60 MPH? I'm curios because your basically choking the outlet to the size of the fan. Knowing the velocity will be higher but also at a higher pressure against the fan. Without this restriction I believe the duct will flow a greater amount.
Can any engineers out there confirm my suspicion?

[Kurk818]

Great let's say I'm not an aeronautical engineer, if the results were multiplied by the area of the inlet, like three or four times and the graph paper was removed, is it safe to say the air flow would be 9000-12000 CFM at 60 MPH? I'm curios because your basically choking the outlet to the size of the fan. Knowing the velocity will be higher but also at a higher pressure against the fan. Without this restriction I believe the duct will flow a greater amount.
Can any engineers out there confirm my suspicion?

That was my original theory and reasoning for having such a large cutout behind the scoop. Better utilization of the volume of air that makes it into the scoop will definitely be helped by an inner scoop. (Which will be built in the future)

[Kurk818]

Would air speed be a better indicator rather than cfm? Then multiple by area of inlet to get cfm.

[DMC7492]

The area of the duct can be entered in the meter, and saved. the fan could be mounted in the opening of the scoop and then entering the square inches of the scoop in the meter. The read out would be CFM going through the scoop. This along with the craft paper removed my get the best results.

[Kurk818]

So i need to clarify some of the data that i posted. While trying to provide data sooner than later, i did not fully understand the Anemometer and air flow as it relates to this test. The meter had a preset area of 160 in^2 (1.11 SF), of which all of the data that i posted in the previous post reflects.

Below is a table showing the data based on actual surface area of the opening for the scoop as well as 3" and 4" duct opening (which is what an inner scoop would more than likely have. The X axis would be the MPH and the Y axis being the CFM. Ive attached the data used for the graph to show more data points.

http://i.imgur.com/UHz3hmdh.png (http://imgur.com/UHz3hmd)

[Kurk818]

One more set available. Will be focused on building my shop for the winter.

[07FIREBLADE]

Is it a white or black set? Any update on making a CF set of just doing an overlay like what you did?

[Kurk818]

Is it a white or black set? Any update on making a CF set of just doing an overlay like what you did?

White set available.

I dont plan on making any parts for a while. C.F. overlay set will be installed on my car at some point this winter.

[Kurk818]

Ive had some recent interest in more scoops, which plays in nicely with my current schedule, to produce a few sets of scoops. I wanted to get a tally of who and what was needed. You can PM me or post within the thread Thanks

[SixStar]

Interested

[Kurk818]

Update in post #1

[Dave 53]

It's been a few years since any chatter about your scoops. Can I talk you into going back into production?

[blomb11]

I would be interested in a pair as well!

[Hojo]

Right price, me too

[tgf05354]

I'm in for a set

[Kurk818]

Thanks for the interest guys.

I need to dust off the mold and get them made.

I will keep you posted.

[Kurk818]

Can those that want a pair let me know if they want want or black scoops. Need to know how much of what color gelcoat to get.

PM preferred.

[tgf05354]

Can you match the red gelcoat from FFR, if not, Black for me. Do you need any other information?

[Kurk818]

Looks like prices have pretty much doubled for the raw materials here in Seattle since 2015. New price is $400 + shipping and I'll leave the final fit up and epoxying of mounting studs to the purchaser.

[Kurk818]

Can you match the red gelcoat from FFR, if not, Black for me. Do you need any other information?

I do not have the red gelcoat to match to unfortunately and in my opinion a shade off would not look good.

[blomb11]

The color is not important to me since I plan to wrap everything.

[Kurk818]

I have two sets available right now. I will not be making more until possibly winter time. They take more time than I have to give at the moment.

Please PM me if you'd like a set .

https://i.imgur.com/nUmlslb.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/UlD7gcc.jpeg

[blomb11]

Kurk818,
I tried to DM but it says your inbox is full fyi.

[Kurk818]

Kurk818,
I tried to DM but it says your inbox is full fyi.

I cleaned it up.

[Kurk818]

I have one more set in black.

[Scrmblr2]

If the black ones are still available…I am interested!

[Kurk818]

If the black ones are still available…I am interested!

I have one last set available, in black. PM'd you.

(Edit: no longer available)

[Frank818]

You guys will be more than happy with those scoops, they totally change the look of the car!
Kurk said a long time ago (years) he was selling his last sets and would not make more. You guys are so lucky he didn't say the truth! :D

[Kurk818]

You guys will be more than happy with those scoops, they totally change the look of the car!
Kurk said a long time ago (years) he was selling his last sets and would not make more. You guys are so lucky he didn't say the truth! :D

Thanks Frank! I agree with you, night and day difference on the esthetics of the car with the scoops.

I was making a set for my second 818 and decided to make a few more while the mess in the shop was there there. 5 years between productions is a long time.