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oldguy668
04-18-2015, 11:34 AM
I am using a Gilmer drive system for my 289, switching from a serpentine system which was totally out of character for an old school look. Initially, I used the late reverse rotation (CCW) pump to mock up the Gilmer system. Got all my spacers set up and set up the length on the tension arm under the alternator. When the standard rotation (CW) pump arrived, I discovered something I have never seen mentioned in any of the discussions about water pumps.

The CW pump's pulley mounting face is about 3/8" to 1/2" closer to the block than the CCW pump. and the shaft centerline of the CW pump is about 3/4" closer to the passenger side of the engine. Neither issue is causing me a problem, but I thought this particular observation might be helpful to someone else.

Both pumps were mounted to the old (1968) timing cover and I'm wondering if using the later timing cover with the CCW pump corrects for the difference in the pump body.

rich grsc
04-18-2015, 07:29 PM
You have the wrong pump? The only difference on the pumps I have used is the pulley bolt hole circumference is different, centerline and mount face are the same.

Norm B
04-18-2015, 07:58 PM
You might have got a short shaft pump. They were made for applications with limited room in front of the engine for accessories.

oldguy668
04-18-2015, 09:55 PM
There's only one "short shaft" pump for small blocks and it has a right hand inlet. I think I would have noticed. All the resat have a 5.75" block to nose but the CCW I had has a 6.5" block to nose. I think it was assembled incorrectly. There's also the difference in actual shaft location which I think is due to the rotation and internal scroll design. Just one more thing to think about, I guess.

rich grsc
04-19-2015, 08:37 AM
There's only one "short shaft" pump for small blocks and it has a right hand inlet. I think I would have noticed. All the resat have a 5.75" block to nose but the CCW I had has a 6.5" block to nose. I think it was assembled incorrectly. There's also the difference in actual shaft location which I think is due to the rotation and internal scroll design. Just one more thing to think about, I guess.

I have both CCW and CW pumps, the shaft location is the same. Check out the FlowKooler web site.

Norm B
04-19-2015, 11:07 AM
Just checked and you are correct. Besides that, the short pump is 1.5 inches shorter than standard.
Good Luck
Norm