FFR 818 vs Vantage 3.0 vs Vantage 4.0 Poll

[Vman7]

The reason for this Poll is to help me consider still doing things for the 818.

We all know what the FFR 818 looks like.

Now if you could buy one of the 3 designs today, even the ppl who already done a current FFR 818 design, which would it be.

The Vantage 4.0 would take design cues from the Vantage 3.0 and blend them with the current FFR 818, and smooth out a lot of the FFR 818 sharp lines.

Here is the current Vantage 3.0 Design.

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=16037&d=1362973390
http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=16036&d=1362973377
http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=16035&d=1362973362

Thanks :)
David

[flynntuna]

Voted for 4.0 primarily because of the way the t top attaches to the engine cover. From reading the posts of builders experiences putting the body on, some allowance needs to be made for windshield angle, side sails ect. Attaching the back end of the t top on top of the engine cover/ roll bar like the Porsche 914 or the Viper would give you some wiggle room.

[Frank818]

I don't see the pix of the 4.0?

[flynntuna]

There aren't any yet. It'll be a new design combining the 818 and the 3.0

[Frank818]

It's hard to vote when you don't know what it's like. Or are we voting to give him the reason to mock-up new designs? If yes, then I'll vote 4.0.

[Vman7]

It's hard to vote when you don't know what it's like. Or are we voting to give him the reason to mock-up new designs? If yes, then I'll vote 4.0.

Yeah I know it's kind of both, only because I need to get feel for peoples interest, in order to maybe get back on the 818 stuff.

Voting for the Vantage 4.0 wouldn't just be mock-ups, it would be a finished design.

Something tells me though, for the Vantage 4.0 to voted on I'll probaby have to start working on it, since most won't be able to really invision it.

David

[Vman7]

Voted for 4.0 primarily because of the way the t top attaches to the engine cover. From reading the posts of builders experiences putting the body on, some allowance needs to be made for windshield angle, side sails ect. Attaching the back end of the t top on top of the engine cover/ roll bar like the Porsche 914 or the Viper would give you some wiggle room.

The Top/engine cover on the Vantage 4.0 basicly is 3 main pc.s, like with the Vantage 3.0, just a little different. The idea I have in my head, the engine cover would hinge in the rear, but would have the part of the sides just behind the upper side vents would be part of the engine cover. This way you would have more access to the engine. I don't like the rear 2 pc. deck setup right now at all.

David

[Vman7]

I''l have to give this poll sometime, but I don't expect much from it, for the very reason that nobody know what the Vantage 4.0 will look like. So I might just have to do some decent mock-ups and do another poll.

I gather the ones voting for the FFR 818 either love it and or hate the Vantage or are mostly into the 818 for racing and or performance. It get it if you are into the FFR 818 for performance, looks really don't matter as long as the car performs.

David

[wildhorsesracing]

I dunno - the new Ford GT gets my vote!

37519

[Mitch Wright]

Agree, the new Ford GT is pretty trick. I also like the new NSX.

[Kalstar]

Ford GT is butt ugly.....and it is underpowered in the current landscape.

As for the question at hand, I like the 818 with tweeks (and a hard top please).

[GUNS]

Ford GT is butt ugly.....and it is underpowered in the current landscape.

As for the question at hand, I like the 818 with tweeks (and a hard top please).

Pretty sad when 600+hp is considered underpowered...

[Kalstar]

Pretty awesome you mean....when an 80K Vette puts out 650hp and a 70K Dodge put out over 700hp. Yes 250K for 600hp is not too impressive.

[Hindsight]

I dunno, it's kind of bittersweet really. On one hand we are at a time where many cars have ungodly amounts of horsepower which is great. A four door Honda Accord family truckster will blow the doors off 80's and many 90's V8 Mustangs (I'm not even going to mention the 70's Detroit iron).

The bitter side is that it is becoming harder to be "above the curve" as a car enthusiast and have something unique and faster than a not-very-rare OEM car that someone drove off the showroom floor. That is especially so if you want something that can compete with the OEM cars on both a road race track and a drag strip. It used to be the guy with the wrench and the know-how was driving the fastest car and while that can still be true, I feel like it isn't what it used to be. The cars that are coming out lately are not only difficult to one-up, but it is very expensive to do so. A big part of the allure of the 818 is that your hard-earned gear-head skills give you the privilege of building a unique super-car slayer for a fraction of the cost but these new OEM cars are awfully tough to slay and they are becoming increasingly common.

[Vman7]

That new Ford GT reminds me of a Lambo........and since I can't stand lambos

[Vman7]

H O U S T O N.....we have a problem!!!!

Well might as well not continue with this poll. Because I asked .....vs Vantage 4.0. I should have done 818 Gen 2.

as Kalstar said
As for the question at hand, I like the 818 with tweeks (and a hard top please).

[Vman7]

I spent all last night trying to get the Vantage 3.0 rear to work without too many changes. I tried this once before. Now I know why I didn't continue before.

The Vantage 3.0 is 72" wide at the ctr of the rear wheel wells. The FFR 818 is 70". For some crazy reason once I scale out both rear views, the Vantage is like 6" wider. I scaled them right by using a known reference point, in this case the tail lights on both, since I know the sizes.

So the only thing I can figure that is going on is the picture I am using for the base (818R rear, the dark blue one), has too much lens curve in it.

The other things that make it hard to convert the Vantage 3.0 and blend it into the FFR 818 is there would have to be major body changes. Mostly due to that the rear fenders on the 818 round way down from the top, where the Vantage has more of a flat top then the sides go down.

Here is the difference
http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=14538&d=1358624955
http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=16035&d=1362973362

It can be done, but with a lot of work, more in the sense for a real build.

That's why I said in post #16 it should be 818 Gen 2.

After spending a lot of time on the rear view last night, I started planning ideas in my head going over and over and over....looking at as many views of the current 818 figuring out ideas to improve the body. Now that I have somewhat of a plan on what to, actually a few ideas :)

Hopefully someone can find the rear view I am looking for :)

David

[theburner9]

So is this all just for fun or is someone actually going to start producing an alternative body?

[Hindsight]

I would love for someone to do it but I just can't see it working financially. Cost and time to make the molds and produce the parts vs potential market for the parts just doesn't line up (~200-something 818's have been sold to date and of those, probably only a small percent would buy the different body). I think the most feasible option is for FFR to produce the alternative body, based on designs like Vman's etc. As others have mentioned, it would be nice if there was a reward for Vman if FFR chose to use his design.

That said, what I could see working is perhaps some smaller "glass-on" type parts. Example: In a lot of VMan's 818 rear re-designs, there are those vertical/diagonal body lines that better separate the tail light area from the center area of the rear. Someone could probably cheaply make a mold for that piece that would include flattening out and re-shaping the tail light area and may be cut for whatever lights you want to add. They could then, with a vacuum bagging setup, cheaply and quickly pop fiberglass copies off of the mold. Buyers would basically just need to glue the pieces onto the rear bumper and then blend the edges with body filler. Rear fender flares that allow for wider rear tires would be another feasible example.

[Blitzkrieg]

Is the lower light a flasher like f1 cars have in the rain or a backup camera?

[Niburu]

Is the lower light a flasher like f1 cars have in the rain or a backup camera?

looks like a reverse light to me

For me, Vmans front fascia is spot on perfect, the rear end has elements I really like and some I don't.
I really would like to see FFR make the coupe, and make it noticeably different from the topless models.
Maybe even give it a different number like 867 - think of all 5309 jokes we could do.

[RM1SepEx]

David, can you do a simple targa top that would just add to or replace the existing engine cover?

[Vman7]

David, can you do a simple targa top that would just add to or replace the existing engine cover?

Already did one, 2 actually. One was a hard top the other was a combo, hard top/soft top.
Go here.
818 Coupe, Targa, Softtop Designs (http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/album.php?albumid=541)
They are ok.

[Mechie3]

Don't know if these are helpful. I finally was able to do something with the files. Solidworks isn't really setup to use the point cloud stuff all that well.

http://i.imgur.com/Vf8g74h.png

http://i.imgur.com/PYa3Yn2.png

[Vman7]

Don't know if these are helpful. I finally was able to do something with the files. Solidworks isn't really setup to use the point cloud stuff all that well.

http://i.imgur.com/Vf8g74h.png

http://i.imgur.com/PYa3Yn2.png

The top one would be perfect if it was a photo. I can't remember was it you that told me about the file you can buy on the 818?

[tmoretta]

A replacement top would be nice, but, access to the engine is inconvenient now - imagine having to remove the roof to check the oil.

[flynntuna]

From what the "spies" have posted the hard top will have a hatch for engine access.

[Mechie3]

Where are these photos? Facebook?

[RM1SepEx]

A replacement top would be nice, but, access to the engine is inconvenient now - imagine having to remove the roof to check the oil.


Imagine a targa top that just replaces the engine cover

[Silvertop]

Imagine a targa top that just replaces the engine cover

Makes me drool...............!!:rolleyes:

[RM1SepEx]

I'll be making one up, I don't like the complexity of the FFR soft top. First attempt will be made from aluminum as I have access to shrinking and stretching equipment, a power hammer and an English wheel. I'm not quite feeling the awkward slope of Dave's Targa design http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/album.php?albumid=541

[flynntuna]

Where are these photos? Facebook?

someone posted a couple months ago I guess, that during a visit to FFR he was told that their would be a hatch. Im pretty sure it's in the thread that has the teaser photo.

xatudor
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Yes I have seen the hardtop in person, on Monday
A full cage under it is possible I think. It's not finished, but the outside shape looks good and they are working on finalising the other stuff like how to open the hatch above the engine, interior hoodlining etc
No photos as FFR didn't want any taken.
Last edited by xatudor; 12-17-2014 at 05:44 PM.

[flynntuna]

I would love for someone to do it but I just can't see it working financially. Cost and time to make the molds and produce the parts vs potential market for the parts just doesn't line up (~200-something 818's have been sold to date and of those, probably only a small percent would buy the different body). I think the most feasible option is for FFR to produce the alternative body, based on designs like Vman's etc. As others have mentioned, it would be nice if there was a reward for Vman if FFR chose to use his design.

That said, what I could see working is perhaps some smaller "glass-on" type parts. Example: In a lot of VMan's 818 rear re-designs, there are those vertical/diagonal body lines that better separate the tail light area from the center area of the rear. Someone could probably cheaply make a mold for that piece that would include flattening out and re-shaping the tail light area and may be cut for whatever lights you want to add. They could then, with a vacuum bagging setup, cheaply and quickly pop fiberglass copies off of the mold. Buyers would basically just need to glue the pieces onto the rear bumper and then blend the edges with body filler. Rear fender flares that allow for wider rear tires would be another feasible example.

Glass-on parts is an easy solution, but not the only one. Other options are only limited to the imagination. Bolt on pieces I think would look good too. Grills, mesh, ect. IMHO could make it even easier.

[flynntuna]

The new ford gt has a nice rear end

[Vman7]

The new ford gt has a nice rear end

Not bad!!

[flynntuna]

Ran across this one too.

[Vman7]

Ran across this one too.

That's not bad either. Both have a lot of detail going on, which can be good or bad, depends on how everything on the whole car flows together.

[carbon fiber]

I really like the new Ford GT. But not the Ferrari front clip or the ecoboost v6. They should be ashamed of both of those decisions.

[Niburu]

I really like the new Ford GT. But not the Ferrari front clip or the ecoboost v6. They should be ashamed of both of those decisions.

there is also the lack of a manual transmission to be annoyed about

[carbon fiber]

there is also the lack of a manual transmission to be annoyed about
I can understand that easier, it's got a 7-speed trans/twin disk clutch. Everyone is going to that, super-quick shifting. But the v6 is pure blasphemy. I saw where ford plans to kill off the v8. Guess I just became a absolute GM guy.(I'm putting a lsx in my '91 mustang coupe right now.) All this is Obamas fault for the new mileage requirements.

[305mouse]

High mileage requirements aren't a bed thing, happening all over the world. The noise a properly tuned V8 makes is like music to my ears, but a year or two ago the Top Gear mag talked about a new ford ecoboost engine. I think it was the 4 cyl, not sure, but they were able to get crazy hp out of such a tiny thing.

[carbon fiber]

V8V8V8V8V8V8V8V8V8V8V8V8V8V8V8V8V8V8V8V8V8V8V8V8V8 V8V8V8V8V8V8V8V8V8V8V8V8V8V8V8V8V8V8V8V8V8V8V8V8V8 V8!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:cool:

[wildbill]

I have the solution! http://www.soundracer.se/

:cool:

[metalmaker12]

V10 version of the gt350r flat crank would have made more sense. To the tune of like 750whp

[carbon fiber]

I have the solution! http://www.soundracer.se/

:cool:
I like all kinds of engines, not just V8s, but you can't replicate torque with soundwaves! I'd went 5.0 coyote Twin Turbo with the GT.