Rear End Redesign

[Kurk818]

Starting a new thread to continue the discussion of possible styling changes to the rear bumper and tail lights. Link to Mechie3 thread is attached if you would like to see where this stemmed from

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showthread.php?9077-Mechie3-s-818S/page27

This photo here is what inspired me and what i will be looking at imitating

http://i.imgur.com/H0abmBF.jpg

[C.Plavan]

Per your request in "Mechie's- I just design stuff and will never finish my car thread" :) I bought these from amazon for a 3rd brake light. Super bright.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00IPDQWLK/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o08_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

http://i.imgur.com/Lf81DCml.jpg?1
http://i.imgur.com/zNZ9GC4l.jpg?1

[R.Spec]

Oooh I like. I just want to make my rear end wider. The whole car for that matter. I like a big car like the GTR

[longislandwrx]

glad you like.

37353

I like the 5 tube collector for the exhaust. the Pagani has 4 outlets, so moar is better right?

[Jaime]

I bought these from amazon for a 3rd brake light.
I just got a flexible LED strip off eBay and I'm going to try to make a flush-mount 3rd brake light. I hope to mount a piece of plexiglass in the bumper and silicone the strip to the inside surface of it.

[flynntuna]

This is the photo Longislandwrx contributed which inspired these photoshops

[Kurk818]

My thought was to create the rear end like Vman envisioned. With his design, it would create a recess for the tail lights. The lights would be placed in similar orientation to the photos. To create the lense, i thing i would use a sheet of smoked lexan cut to fit the recess and glue it in.

Im using a front mount in a rear mounted setup, I plan on ducting air from large side scoops that i will also build and duct it towards the IC. IC and the center area will be painted black to "hide" the IC setup.

License plate will be down in front of the transmission.

Exhaust will exit out of the side and have the "trim" as in the photo.

Any idea on where to place the reverse lights? I was thinking the bottom inner of the lexan lenses. Thoughts?

[Hindsight]

It might be just me but the vertical/diagonal tail light strips, against the black background, and especially with the round exhaust in the center makes it look like the back of a modern Mustang.

That said, I do like a lot of these design ideas and am looking forward to more. I might implement some myself if I find something that looks great and is simple, but more likely than not, I will probably just play with color.

[K3LAG]

Here is my 3rd brake light solution...

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Larry

[RM1SepEx]

I like that Larry, what did you use, how did you mount it in the spoiler? Is your spoiler the fiberglass one or CF?

[flynntuna]

Corvette tail lights anyone?

[Kurk818]

Here is my 3rd brake light solution...

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Larry
I had the same idea in mind. I have the fiberglass spoiler

[K3LAG]

I have the fiberglass one. It will get painted orange to match the rest of the trim on the car.

The row of LED's is this: http://www.vellemanusa.com/products/view/?id=524090

It is 18 LED's mounted to a thin flexible circuit board. I just determined the curve I wanted and traced it on the spoiler then drilled 18 holes the appropriate distance apart along the line. I made the holes for the LED's a little oversized to account for primer and paint.

I'll 3D print some spacers so the LED's sit flush with the surface of the spoiler then either epoxy or double stick tape it into place.

Larry

[Mechie3]

http://sell.lulusoso.com/upload/20120403/car_brake_light_third_brake_light.jpg

http://chinahdl.en.alibaba.com/product/243871453-212003752/Car_brake_light_third_brake_light.html

You need to order a minimum of 100 pieces, but with prices of $.1 to $3/pc it's only $300, then you can sell the rest.

[RM1SepEx]

Nice, I have a couple small amplifiers from them...

I have that spoiler in CF, not sure I want to do the multiple holes tho

[R.Spec]

I will photoshop a couple different designs when I get home.

[Scargo]

I've been working on these for a few days and was about to roll them out when I saw this new thread. The single strip taillight was an idea I brought up a while back, so I didn't steal anyone's ideas. It's missing a few things and exhaust will exit out the passenger side.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10929100_1035116973172081_7187578412700934353_n.jp g?oh=5ef7a40a79e93d3aa6eef5c833b7538c&oe=5524323F&__gda__=1428440917_7bf0a375c6c221eeed8726cf0fd698c 7
https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10906502_1035066873177091_7543448162977263824_n.jp g?oh=71e57a74c6b680b4b52cacaa4ebba4f3&oe=5536EFDE

[Ellimist]

glad you like.

37353

I like the 5 tube collector for the exhaust. the Pagani has 4 outlets, so moar is better right?

Just keep one functional, with the others for looks....LOL.

EDIT: oh, didn't enlarge the photo at first and I thought each had a center pipe, making my comment even more silly than I was intending. Anyhow, do the multiple pipes change the exhaust note at all or would they only be for looks?

[Ellimist]

Super bright.
Made me thinking: is there such a thing as TOO bright? As in, does the law restrict brightness (probably) and to what intensity?....will try to research...

[Kurk818]

Thoughts?
http://i.imgur.com/01wVjbg.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/FY4cxtR.jpg

[Mechie3]

That vertical section you added really changes the look of the rear (for the better, IMO).

[Kurk818]

That vertical section you added really changes the look of the rear (for the better, IMO).

I agree. The current edge detail will be retained and transferred to the new body line.

After looking at my rear bumper even closer, the whole surface around the tail lights is covered in spider cracks. It would've required removal of gel coat regardless and doing this modification is easily justified

[Mechie3]

Just a handful of quick photoshops. I looked down and...surprise...it's already 11:15pm. My wife said today "I'm going to bed, your turn to watch the baby and be tired". I said "I already am tired". She replied "well, it's your own fault you stay up late". I blame the forum. haha! I'm not sure I like these or not. My ability to make straight lines freehand in photoshop is bad, and I don't know it well enough to know how to setup geometric shapes as a guide that limit the paintbrush stroke automatically so that certainly doesn't help. I like the blue one, but that entire rear bumper is different. I'm still exploring "remove" only designs before going the "add material" route.

http://i.imgur.com/U0jzcGc.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ZLXiTJa.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/iCAoL5p.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/sHnw7Mz.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/JqMjO3a.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/f5oh4oN.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/qIrfv3m.jpg

[Kurk818]

I think the fender modifications are a must for me now. Gotta say tho, the round tail lights dont look all that bad. LED strips have been ordered already. Ill see how they mock up before i go a different route.

[Kurk818]

What do you guys think of these?
http://www.customdynamics.com/plasma_rod_led_lights.htm

[Ellimist]

Made me thinking: is there such a thing as TOO bright? As in, does the law restrict brightness (probably) and to what intensity?....will try to research...

Based on this source it looks like SAE standard states a maximum of 300 lumens (cd) and 750 lumens (cd) for red and yellow (respectively) "rear signals":
https://law.resource.org/pub/us/cfr/ibr/005/sae.j1395.1985.html

I'm assuming the "rear signals" are just the turn signals, not the brake lights. Couldn't find a free source for brake lights, but apparently it's in SAE J1330?....

[longislandwrx]

do the multiple pipes change the exhaust note at all or would they only be for looks?

It was a joke, however I doubt they change the sound very much if at all.

[longislandwrx]

I think the fender modifications are a must for me now.

nah man. you're good

37374


your initial mockup is very me gusta.

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[Frank818]

Per your request in "Mechie's- I just design stuff and will never finish my car thread" :) I bought these from amazon for a 3rd brake light. Super bright.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00IPDQWLK/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o08_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

http://i.imgur.com/Lf81DCml.jpg?1
http://i.imgur.com/zNZ9GC4l.jpg?1


These are mostly what I am looking for. I don't think Amazon US will allow any Canadian to buy these (I have to add to cart and check), but they don't sell them on the Canadian website. I could not find them on ebay as well. Google doesn't give much either. Worst case I can pay someone from US to buy and ship to me.

They are on Lemonbest's website, but at 13.29 a set of 2 instead of 9.99 on Amazon. Not a big difference though. Not sure Lemon sells outside USA either.

http://www.lemonbest.com/2pcs-17cm-led-cob-car-drl-daytime-running-light-fog-driving-lamp-waterproof-12v

You guys from the US are super lucky people! You can get anything anywhere anytime for a super cheap price and usually free shipping. :)


EDIT: Nope, Amazon does not sell these outside USA.

[Frank818]

http://sell.lulusoso.com/upload/20120403/car_brake_light_third_brake_light.jpg

http://chinahdl.en.alibaba.com/product/243871453-212003752/Car_brake_light_third_brake_light.html

You need to order a minimum of 100 pieces, but with prices of $.1 to $3/pc it's only $300, then you can sell the rest.

These are everywhere on ebay. But they look big with the rounded sides and the back. Not sure how can they mount on the bumper.

[Frank818]

What do you guys think of these?
http://www.customdynamics.com/plasma_rod_led_lights.htm

I've seen them yesterday and closed the browser tab when I saw the $150 price for a set of 2. Besides, Chad's light looks very similar for just 10 bucks. In terms of looks, like I mentioned they are pretty much what I am looking for, but not for 450 a set of 6. :)

[Kurk818]

I've seen them yesterday and closed the browser tab when I saw the $150 price for a set of 2. Besides, Chad's light looks very similar for just 10 bucks. In terms of looks, like I mentioned they are pretty much what I am looking for, but not for 450 a set of 6. :)

I totally agree. Ive already ordered the lights Chad posted :D. Total of 6 are on their way.

For the reverse light, i was thinking a 3"x4" LED, similar to a fog/tail light that the European cars have but mounted next to the license plate. Only one. You can kind of see it drawn out. Its going to have to go on the passenger side due to the shifting cables in the way.

[Mechie3]

I like the even-ness of the plasma rod lighting, but agree with frank on the price.

[Kurk818]

I like the even-ness of the plasma rod lighting, but agree with frank on the price.

I think you may be able to achieve a similar result by covering the LEDs with an opaque strip of lexan. Perhaps sand one side of a sheet of lexan with a fine grit orbital sander, cut to fit and enjoy the light distribution.

[Frank818]

Uhm, I can't figure out about Chad's Lemonbest rods if they are SAE/DOT compliant. I just realized going through my stupid vehicle regulation documents that I need lights that are SAE/DOT compliant. I also need front-rear reflectors that are compliant as well. I'll ask Lemonbest, as this is Canada-driven and anyone in Canada will need compliant lights.

[Mechie3]

You only need compliant lights for inspection. ;)

An F1 style reverse light would be good, though finding one in white is hard, most are red. I was going to put a strip of white leds centered and high on the little lip of the trunk.

[Frank818]

You only need compliant lights for inspection. ;)

Yes and no. loll I mean yes for sure for inspection, so I could do inspection with the FFR rear end and change it afterwards.
But the no is IF, only IF, a cop tails me, has some doubts about the lights, checks them closely and doesn't see SAE on them, he/she can send me to inspection. So then what do I do, if I can't put back somehow the FFR rear end and tell the inspector I just changed it back, I'm screwed. I have to think of a switchable rear end.

You laugh that this possibility is one out of 1 billion, I agree, but I got tailed 18 years ago for something most of the people don't respect and never get checked for and I had to fix it. Rare cars attract cops, here. So I have to think of all the possibilities and be safe.



An F1 style reverse light would be good, though finding one in white is hard, most are red.

"That" is very easy to find. :)

http://www.ebay.ca/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xf1+style+ white+light&_nkw=f1+style+white+light&_sacat=0

[Vman7]

http://i.imgur.com/qIrfv3m.jpg

hmmm.......this looks familiar..........lol

[Vman7]

Since some are throwing in ideas.

This was just a mock-up from way back.

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=14538&d=1358624955

[Kurk818]

hmmm.......this looks familiar..........lol

Thank you for the initial design Vman. It looks great!

[Vman7]

Thank you for the initial design Vman. It looks great!

Thanks :) At least that mock-up is getting some use to help others come up with their own ideas :)

I wish there were some better rear and front views taken at the right camera angles and distance. Then I could have something I could really work with.

[Kurk818]

Thanks :) At least that mock-up is getting some use to help others come up with their own ideas :)

I wish there were some better rear and front views taken at the right camera angles and distance. Then I could have something I could really work with.

Do you think youd have a few minutes to play around with the tail lights themselves? Particularly the strips.

Also, if you can, add the 4" spoiler and a 3rd brake light LED strip. You can see in the photos i posted with the pencil marks approx what i plan to do with my rear.

Thanks in advance

[Vman7]

Do you think youd have a few minutes to play around with the tail lights themselves? Particularly the strips.

Also, if you can, add the 4" spoiler and a 3rd brake light LED strip. You can see in the photos i posted with the pencil marks approx what i plan to do with my rear.

Thanks in advance

Not sure when, I a have a busy day. I might be able to get to in a few though.

I got where you are going with the vertical lines next to the tail lights, just going up higher. As far as the LED strip lights, a bunch of ways you could go. Could also do custom LED shapes, if you don't mind doing all the work to make them. Spoiler is no problem. 3rd brake light could go about anywhere on the top half.

I'll see what I can do :)

David

[Vman7]

Mechie3's picture(s) of the white rear is almost a perfect shot for a blank to work with. The shot just needs to taken down a bit, a little more centered (a little to the right) and stand back about 20ft and zoom in so you don't get that camera arc. But Mechie3's picture is one of the best I have seen so far.

David

[wleehendrick]

Based on this source it looks like SAE standard states a maximum of 300 lumens (cd) and 750 lumens (cd) for red and yellow

FYI a correction... the SAE limits are in units of candelas (cd) which is a measure of luminous intensity; a lumen (lm) is a measure of luminous flux. A lumen is basically a watt weighted by the human eye's visual response (and is a function of wavelength/color), whereas a candela is a lumen per steradian (unit solid angle, like a radian but in an extra dimension).

So if you're looking at alternative lights, and want to be within SAE limits, you'll want to pay attention to candelas, not lumens. Sorry, optical/display engineer can't help himself.

[Bob_n_Cincy]

Mechie3's picture(s) of the white rear is almost a perfect shot for a blank to work with. The shot just needs to taken down a bit, a little more centered (a little to the right) and stand back about 20ft and zoom in so you don't get that camera arc. But Mechie3's picture is one of the best I have seen so far.

David

Here is a blank rear picture I took if someone would like a plank canvas to start from.
I have no Idea if it has the qualities the David is looking for.
My rear tires in this shot are only 225 wide on 55 offset rims.
Bob

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=37377&d=1420651588

[longislandwrx]

Thank you for the initial design Vman. It looks great!

Yeah sorry, VMANs design was credited in mechie's build, not in this thread though. All I did was black out vmans design and add the Arrinera style lights.

he gets all the credit for reshaping the lower and upper bumper.

[Vman7]

Yeah sorry, VMANs design was credited in mechie's build, not in this thread though. All I did was black out vmans design and add the Arrinera style lights.

he gets all the credit for reshaping the lower and upper bumper.

Thanks :) no biggie, that's what the mock up is for, for people to use :) I just got a kick out of how it was finally being used for something...lol

[Vman7]

Bob n cincy, thanks for the blank, a little grainy, but it might work.

I don't want to say to much in order not to hijack Kurk818's thread. So I'll keep it brief. I know it's hard to take a picture if you don't really know what to look for, and I understand not everybody has an eye for it, but I do really appreciate the effort that some are taking in trying to take a decent picture :)

David

[Kurk818]

Bob n cincy, thanks for the blank, a little grainy, but it might work.

I don't want to say to much in order not to hijack Kurk818's thread. So I'll keep it brief. I know it's hard to take a picture if you don't really know what to look for, and I understand not everybody has an eye for it, but I do really appreciate the effort that some are taking in trying to take a decent picture :)

David

I think any improvements that anyone does is a benefit for the whole 818 community. Its always cool seeing new and different things each of us do and hopefully share with the community.

[Vman7]

yeppers! :)

mock-ups by anybody is always a good thing. Gets those ideas flowing in the head.

[Vman7]

Kurk, so much for getting stuff done today......lol I pulled up the PSD file on the mock-up. I have a bunch of stuff I already started in that PSD file. I'll have to work with it some and see what I come up with.

Kurk, are you set on the LED strips? Only reason I ask is one of the ideas I came up with is using Hella lights like the FFR turn signals. You can get them in red, clear and I think even in smoke. I mocked up 3 of each. I'll try and post a quick mock up here.

David

[Kurk818]

Thank you. :) I like the strip led idea and have purchased the amazon ones that Plavan has linked.

[Vman7]

Thank you. :) I like the strip led idea and have purchased the amazon ones that Plavan has linked.

Ok, which ones are those?

[Kurk818]

Ok, which ones are those?http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00IPDQWLK/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o08_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

[Vman7]

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

nothing there, says We're sorry. The Web address you entered is not a functioning page on our site

[Kurk818]

Try now

[Kurk818]

I plan on having the whole blacked area as tinted lexan. The lights would only be visible when they are on. Also, the spoiler adds a bit more curvature to the tail light area. Im not certain whether it woul look better is the taillight top followed the top of the original bumper or the new curvature of the spoiler.

[Vman7]

I plan on having the whole blacked area as tinted lexan. The lights would only be visible when they are on. Also, the spoiler adds a bit more curvature to the tail light area. Im not certain whether it woul look better is the taillight top followed the top of the original bumper or the new curvature of the spoiler.

That link worked :), I'll have to do either some mock-ups in white after doing some research on them.

A few different way you could go on the direction of the LEDs. Vert or horz would work. But I will say th LEDs shown so far with them being vertical with a slant, looks funky to me and like an add on. They don't flow well, but that's just me.

[Kurk818]

I think the bigger challenge will be to try to make the stock lengths of the LED bars work with the design. Im sure that could be modified as well tho.

Im excited to see what the Master comes up with :D

[Mechie3]

hmmm.......this looks familiar..........lol

:) This thread broke off from my build thread. We all gave you credit for the blue photoshop over there:

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showthread.php?9077-Mechie3-s-818S&p=183418&viewfull=1#post183418


edit: Derp. I now see I missed the entire second page of this thread and just repeated what others said.

edit2: The white car photo is actually from Metalmakers car.

[Vman7]

:) This thread broke off from my build thread. We all gave you credit for the blue photoshop over there:

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showthread.php?9077-Mechie3-s-818S&p=183418&viewfull=1#post183418


edit: Derp. I now see I missed the entire second page of this thread and just repeated what others said.

edit2: The white car photo is actually from Metalmakers car.

lol........ (Vman gives Mechie3 a NCIS Jethro Gibbs slap to back of head).......lol

[Harley818]

This was just a mock-up from way back.......
but it looks awesome.....
I'm going for this look..
Continuity from top to bottom, nice lines, good balance..... good finished OEM look......

[Kurk818]

Thoughts?

http://i.imgur.com/ujKXFFh.jpg

[Mechie3]

I like it without the orange piece, though the orange piece doesn't kill it. Blinkers can be red, they don't need to be amber AFAIK.

[RM1SepEx]

I think a vertical series works better and perhaps the blinker made as a vee pointing in the correct direction. I like them all red

The old thunderbird sequential working to the side make for a cool blinker setup

[wleehendrick]

Sorry, the look of that tail-light to me is a bit late 70's / early 80's style with the black surround and diagonal amber oval. Red alone I think could work, but as is, it looks out out place on the 818, IMHO.

[Kurk818]

One thing im beginning to see from this thread is that nothing works for everyone. Find a design you like and stick with it. Make it yours, make it unique.

[flynntuna]

One thing im beginning to see from this thread is that nothing works for everyone. Find a design you like and stick with it. Make it yours, make it unique.

That's what makes this platform so cool. :cool:

[Turboguy]

Thoughts?

http://i.imgur.com/ujKXFFh.jpg

That's sharp!


The factory rear end is still a bit too kit-car-ish for me. I think yours OEM's up the appearance pretty dramatically.


I wonder how the look would change with a 4th red led at the bottom (and maybe even a fifth?) in the same staggered arrangement? May have to go smaller with the others to do that, and keep the geometry looking good, though.

[Mr B oldschool]

hey guys ase approved don't make them legal they have to be dot approved to be legal in all states regular or led and rears at least one has to be reflective was a state inspector in tx. for 40 years appears corvette led lights have reflectors built in just saying

[Wayne Presley]

Here's the rear on my car with the light area painted with black mixed with clear, ice pearl and a gloss flattener.

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc175/vcpinjectionpb/818-build%201/IMG_9926_zpsda3368a3.jpg (http://s213.photobucket.com/user/vcpinjectionpb/media/818-build%201/IMG_9926_zpsda3368a3.jpg.html)

[flynntuna]

Some cars that inspire the mods I'd like to make....

[Mechie3]

I wonder what a rear center grill like this would be like. All of my photoshops so far have used a solid line on the bottom and followed the curve of the trunk on top. Having a feature bottom middle might look interesting.

http://www.gtspirit.com/wp-content/gallery/ferrari-458-speciale-at-frankfurt/ferrari-458-speciale-21.jpg

[flynntuna]

Are you speaking of the area of the prancing horse? If so it would make for a good place for the license plate, or FACTORY FIVE

[Vman7]

Thoughts?

http://i.imgur.com/ujKXFFh.jpg

Kurk, so ppl the rear of that idea tha I posted and ppl will get a better idea of it :)


Here's the rear on my car with the light area painted with black mixed with clear, ice pearl and a gloss flattener.

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc175/vcpinjectionpb/818-build%201/IMG_9926_zpsda3368a3.jpg (http://s213.photobucket.com/user/vcpinjectionpb/media/818-build%201/IMG_9926_zpsda3368a3.jpg.html)

Grreat look Wayne....love it :)


Some cars that inspire the mods I'd like to make....

As you know as well as others that followed the Vantage Design Project, know that a lot of inspiration came from the Audi R8 rear.



I wonder what a rear center grill like this would be like. All of my photoshops so far have used a solid line on the bottom and followed the curve of the trunk on top. Having a feature bottom middle might look interesting.

http://www.gtspirit.com/wp-content/gallery/ferrari-458-speciale-at-frankfurt/ferrari-458-speciale-21.jpg

That is one of the rears I have been studing for idea for the 818. Funny how minds think alike :)

David

[Vman7]

Are you speaking of the area of the prancing horse? If so it would make for a good place for the license plate, or FACTORY FIVE

I have something in mind with what you are thinking about :)

[Vman7]

I don't want to talk about too much in this thread since this thread is Kurk's.

Here is a link about some I like to call MCS (Modular Component System) (http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showthread.php?8906-Vman-s-818-Design-Mod-s&p=158766&viewfull=1#post158766) see post #110.
I'll be talking about it again in the new Thread I started Vman's 818 Design Ideas (http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showthread.php?16689-Vman-s-818-Design-Ideas)

David

[rori]

What do you think of my rear end redesign? I wanted to find some production parts that I could incorporate into the kit. This 2012-2013 Kia Soul front grill fit amazingly well.

http://i.imgur.com/8gzR1u9.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/w7lpvhR.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/n1j2Vch.jpg

[flynntuna]

I like it. :cool:

[R.Spec]

Wow that looks really really good? :o

[Aero STI]

That's awesome Bobby! It definitely makes the rear end look more finished.

[C.Plavan]

All for under $200 too :)

[Kalstar]

Like nothing....love it. Well done.

[Mechie3]

That is hilarious! I love the outline of it (maybe swap the mesh?). Very much like vmans modified squared up lower vent. Its hilarious that its from a KIA soul and is a front grill.

[Wayne Presley]

The Hamsters love it!

http://images.thecarconnection.com/lrg/kia-soul-hamsters-in-share-some-soul_100361100_l.jpg

[wleehendrick]

It needs some black on top for balance, like spoiler, but it works surprisingly well. Nice creativity!

[R.Spec]

The Hamsters love it!

http://images.thecarconnection.com/lrg/kia-soul-hamsters-in-share-some-soul_100361100_l.jpg

:p HAHAHAHA

[Vman7]

What do you think of my rear end redesign? I wanted to find some production parts that I could incorporate into the kit. This 2012-2013 Kia Soul front grill fit amazingly well.

http://i.imgur.com/8gzR1u9.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/w7lpvhR.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/n1j2Vch.jpg

That is totally awesome!!!!! :) :)

Now that is what I am talking about. Thinking outside the box!

Very well done rori!

David

[rori]

I bought the matching upper grille too, but I'm not sure if I like it. Maybe to much going on:

http://i.imgur.com/kojwFKt.jpg

[Scargo]

I think it might look good if you can trim down the black perimeter or eliminate the black outside the chrome trim. Could you trim it flush and insert it from the inside?

[Kurk818]

Rori, do you have it permanently mounted to the rear bumper already? Id love to see it from inside the engine bay.

[billjr212]

wow. really thinking outside the box. I agree, with both it seems like they might overwhelm the rear end, but once you add the lighter colored license plate, it might balance it back out.

Great job, can't wait to see what you decide on in the end.

[rori]

Rori, do you have it permanently mounted to the rear bumper already? Id love to see it from inside the engine bay.

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showthread.php?13606-RoRi-s-818S-Build-Thread&p=185793&viewfull=1#post185793

[tdelta1000]

That looks great!. Thanks for sharing that idea. Leave it black for contrast.

[AZPete]

Very creative. Not expensive, not difficult and looks great.

[WIS89]

Rori-

I really like it very much. On the upper section, similar to what Scargo said, I wonder if trimming outside the chrome, or perhaps painting the chrome section black would look like. The bottom section is just plain awesome, and the top has potential.

Way to be super creative and coming up with a great style choice!

Regards,

Steve

[flynntuna]

I bought the matching upper grille too, but I'm not sure if I like it. Maybe to much going on:

http://i.imgur.com/kojwFKt.jpg

You could use Plasi-Dip to blackout the upper taillight area. If you don't like it, just peel it off.

[Mechie3]

I was thinking last night that this is perfect for doing the naked lotus rear. If you use that grill piece but cut out the inside you get the same shape as the lotus has in the rear. Leave that all open and add a diffuser to the bottom (and extend the sides) with a license plate mount and it would do exactly what I wanted.

http://i.imgur.com/kojwFKt.jpg
http://www.lotustalk.com/forums/attachments/f154/199494d1359748076-official-booty-thread-your-rear-end-exhaust-diffuser-photo-dsc00005-2-.jpg

[rori]

I was thinking last night that this is perfect for doing the naked lotus rear. If you use that grill piece but cut out the inside you get the same shape as the lotus has in the rear. Leave that all open and add a diffuser to the bottom (and extend the sides) with a license plate mount and it would do exactly what I wanted.


The actual grille piece with the license plate mount is a separate piece. If you left that off it would be really open. Maybe it could be easily removable for track days and then snap it back on and drive home.

http://www.kiapartsdepartment.com/parts/2013/Kia/Soul/Plus?siteid=216393&vehicleid=392203&diagram=2455012

[Turboguy]

Mechie, why do you need the KIA trim piece to do that?

[Frank818]

Mechie, why do you need the KIA trim piece to do that?

I think so far the prob was that if you cut the bumper there is no round edge so it looks less like a finished car and more like a kit-carish look.

[Scargo]

I guess it would be pissing into the wind to mention that these are fascias we are talking about. They are not bumpers. They are front and rear fascias.

" the fascia is used to describe the single panel that conceals the bumper, front or rear, and ties the bumper element visually with the sides of the vehicle -- often including a inlet for cooling."

[Mechie3]

I think so far the prob was that if you cut the bumper there is no round edge so it looks less like a finished car and more like a kit-carish look.

That's part of it. If you just cut out the opening that is recessed into the factory 818 bumper it isn't very wide so, IMO, looses some of the aggressiveness. Adding the Kia Fascia ( :) ) lets me cut a much wider swath and give it the appearance of being wider than it really is and giving it a nice finished look.

[ehansen007]

Now that's smart. Well done rori!

[rori]

That's part of it. If you just cut out the opening that is recessed into the factory 818 bumper it isn't very wide so, IMO, looses some of the aggressiveness. Adding the Kia Fascia ( :) ) lets me cut a much wider swath and give it the appearance of being wider than it really is and giving it a nice finished look.

Here is what it looks like without the grille insert.

http://i.imgur.com/dYxTm87.jpg

[C.Plavan]

I kinda like it a little better without the grill insert. Or maybe add different aluminum mesh like I have.

[FFR-ADV]

This is great! Very creative re-purposing!

[Santiago]

Great solution Rori! And it's versatile too!

Now that you found such a great sweeping move to make in the design process the real tedious stuff starts. That bottom works so well that it's now a delicate balancing act to avoid ruining it. The upper grill may work, but my guess is you'll only really find out after 100 or so tiny iterations of so many variables. Difficult work ahead, but well worth it. Damn nice find.

Personally, I also prefer the non-grill lower segment. The production grill can be opened up so it's not a faux mesh over most of its surface. I did this on my Mustang. But as was pointed out, I could see folks just pulling it for track duty and reinstalling it for the street (opened up or as is).

Best,
-j

[Mechie3]

Thanks Rori. I like that. The exposed transmission reminds me of the rear of the sesto elemento.

[metalmaker12]

Better without grill insert and I wouldn't put that upper grill in. Looks great!

[flynntuna]

Aren't Ferraris just gorgeous.....

[Kurk818]

I came across a light that could potentially be a cheaper alternative to some of the round and rectangular shaped lights. The lights are designed for trailers mostly.

Optronics GloLight
http://www.optronicsinc.com/PRODUCTS/Brands/GloLight.aspx

The mounting trim can either be removed or modified to make each unique application work.

[MPTech]

Here's the tail-lights you NEED:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVVUm4y8oMw

[flynntuna]

Whoa!

[Mechie3]

I posted these over in my build thread a little while ago.

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showthread.php?9077-Mechie3-s-818S&p=187687&viewfull=1#post187687

[Louisromersh]

Hi Guy's,

So driving into work today I was stuck behind a Hyundai Veloster and was wondering if the rear bumper lower cover could work on the back of the 818?

http://www.koreamotorparts.com/images_hyundai/2012_veloster/HYUNDAI_2012_2014_Veloster_Turbo_OEM_Genuine_Parts _Rear_Bumper_Lip_Veloster_Red_P9R_05.jpg or http://www.hyundai.com.au/Images/UserUploadedImages/650/Veloster__RearSkirt_Orange.jpg

Just Random thought if anybody good a the Photoshop maybe you could come up with a renderings to see this combination.

Thanks

[Kurk818]

I posted these over in my build thread a little while ago.

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showthread.php?9077-Mechie3-s-818S&p=187687&viewfull=1#post187687

How much were those lights?

[Mechie3]

Kurk, sending a pm.

The veloster cover looks to be more than the soul cover.
Hyundai Veloster Turbo 2013-2014
Rear Bumper Diffuser Lower Cover
Part Number : 86612 2V510

[longislandwrx]

I like it without the insert... frames the rear suspension perfect.

[flynntuna]

P
Starting a new thread to continue the discussion of possible styling changes to the rear bumper and tail lights. Link to Mechie3 thread is attached if you would like to see where this stemmed from

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showthread.php?9077-Mechie3-s-818S/page27

This photo here is what inspired me and what i will be looking at imitating

http://i.imgur.com/H0abmBF.jpg


For those looking for this style lights, I saw this link from a thread in the '33 section.

http://www.speedwaymotors.com/Shop/Hagan-Street-Rods-Tail-Light-Assemblies/8.html

[flynntuna]

Bringing this thread back from the dead because, reading Adam's Canadian 818 thread reminded me of this thread.

Driving to work I saw a Dodge Charger noticed his taillights which got me thinking about my build and what Adam posted about oem taillights.

What about going old school for taillights? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTZ9M1EkCNQ

[Hindsight]

Mechie has a setup like that, with dual round lights side by side, and some honeycomb to surround them.

[flynntuna]

Yes he does, but doesn't have the lights to go with it. Mechie's set up however will interfere with my plan for the license plate :p. Personally I don't think that I will be changing the taillights from the stock setup anyway, at least not for a while.
I was thinking out loud, and was wondering what the community thought.

[Mechie3]

What lights are you looking for?

[flynntuna]

Not sure. That is far down the road, I resurrected this thread cause of what came up in another thread and the Inspiration that came when I saw the 69 Charger.

[axelthrasher]

I was thinking last night that this is perfect for doing the naked lotus rear. If you use that grill piece but cut out the inside you get the same shape as the lotus has in the rear. Leave that all open and add a diffuser to the bottom (and extend the sides) with a license plate mount and it would do exactly what I wanted.
http://www.lotustalk.com/forums/attachments/f154/199494d1359748076-official-booty-thread-your-rear-end-exhaust-diffuser-photo-dsc00005-2-.jpg

I think I may consider shooting for something similar to the Lotus - I like the look of the open bottom portion. Has anyone attempted this thus far and any pics?

[flynntuna]

Look at post 79 and 89 on this thread. I think Rori is the only one whose posted pictures.

As the saying goes, there are many ways to skin a cat. Meaning that what's great about this platform is that almost anything goes. Derive your inspiration from this forum or any where else. :cool:

[FFRSpec72]

here is how mine finally turned out, I have to put the car back together now to get the full look

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[Mechie3]

Here is mine (upper mesh not installed yet, will be powdercoated black). Mesh made by me, lights imported by me from China, bumper made by Harley818 (he sells them) based on Vman7 design.

http://i.imgur.com/rMg733V.jpg