818 Fuel tank on back order 1-2 months :(

[kkotecki]

Can any 818 owner with a stock fuel tank help me out? I have FFR 818 chassis 75. She's a Roller, however, I really can't move forward with wiring until I install a fuel tank, which FFR is telling me 1-2 months. Can you help measure a "stock" or even "modified" for taller drivers like myself, fuel tank, I would like to make my own (I own a metal fab shop)...but without just some general dimensions and design cues (baffles and fuel pump and pick locations)...I would be guessing. Kale

[JeromeS13]

If you'd like, I'll ship you mine. It's still in the box. Email me: JeromeS13@gmail.com.

[wleehendrick]

If anyone's in the same boat, I also have the 818 stock tank *NEW IN BOX* ;) for anyone that needs one.

[freds]

If you are still going to use yours Jerome...I have one which I am not going to use...which anyone can have for the cost of shipping. PM me if you need it.

fred

[Xusia]

LOL. I also have a stock tank which I don't plan on using, BUT my thought for you is if you own a fab shop, why limit yourself to the dimensions of the stock tank? Make one in the shape/size you want!

[RM1SepEx]

I have one with the fill tube on top vs off the back

don't ask how/why

same here anyone needs/wants it, their's for shipping $

[07FIREBLADE]

I'm going to jump the gun and stay I'm not going to get a tank with my car next month. How much are you looking to get for yours wleehendrick?

[RM1SepEx]

WOW, FFR had a back order and told you when it would be back in stock! I had to contact them and beg for parts every week!

[wleehendrick]

I'm going to jump the gun and stay I'm not going to get a tank with my car next month. How much are you looking to get for yours wleehendrick?

I'm really not trying to make any money off of it; unlike donor parts, there's not not much of a market for it (every kit gets one and a lot don't use it). I got the Boyd tank after I received my kit, so I'd be happy to take shipping and a nominal amount. PM me if you want it.

[C.Plavan]

I have a tank for sale :)

[freds]

I'm going to jump the gun and stay I'm not going to get a tank with my car next month. How much are you looking to get for yours wleehendrick?

Read post #4 Tank for anyone just pay shipping and UPS packaging (as I dont have the original box anymore.

[riptide motorsport]

That's what makes this community so great!

[waruaki]

WOW, FFR had a back order and told you when it would be back in stock! I had to contact them and beg for parts every week!

Man I can relate. I'm still calling and begging but the list is getting smaller.

[Frank818]

I don't have the answer to this, but I do know where to come if I ever need a stock tank...

[AZPete]

My tank, still in the box, was taking up space in my garage and I knew I couldn't sell it so I shipped it back to Factory Five with a note that said, "Merry Christmas, put it back on the shelf." I got a very nice FFR Tee shirt and a thank you. Now, I think it was a good deal!

[Bob_n_Cincy]

I wonder what I could get for 2 tanks still in the box.

[metalmaker12]

I wonder what I could get for 2 tanks still in the box.

It's worth a tee shirt and merry Christmas at most.

[michael everson]

Pete I did the same thing except I drove mine down there. I also brought back the axles and the stainless cooling hoses. hated to just throw it out.
Mike

[JeromeS13]

Who still needs a tank? PM or email me. JeromeS13@gmail.com

[Scargo]

How does it work if you say I don't want a tank, or say, the flexible SS cooling lines or the shifter? Since I haven't finalized my package, and have months to wait I am considering my options. Do they knock off anything for stuff you don't want? A cafeteria ordering plan?

[RandyB]

How does it work if you say I don't want a tank, or say, the flexible SS cooling lines or the shifter? Since I haven't finalized my package, and have months to wait I am considering my options. Do they knock off anything for stuff you don't want? A cafeteria ordering plan?


I asked this question before I paid for mine. They weren't willing to discount the price at all to leave off the fuel tank. I didn't push it very hard, but given I am still waiting for the fuel tank, perhaps I should have.

[wleehendrick]

I returned my tank to FFR, so at least someone on back order will get theirs.

I like this one better anyway ;)

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=25306&d=1390095606

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[Carlos C]

How does it work if you say I don't want a tank, or say, the flexible SS cooling lines or the shifter? Since I haven't finalized my package, and have months to wait I am considering my options. Do they knock off anything for stuff you don't want? A cafeteria ordering plan?

When I ordered my Coupe kit, FFR was willing to delete any of the items I didn't need, but not discount them from the total cost, except for the seats. According to the tech I spoke to a few weeks ago, whom no longer works there, it is company policy.

Carlos

[JeromeS13]

No one needs an FFR tank?

[Quiny]

I picked up my 818S Saturday. The tank was on BO.

[Goldwing]

On the positive side, FFR told me they redesigned the tank for a little more driver's side space. They are waiting for both the standard hot rod tank (off the '33 maybe), and the newly designed tank. Back orders will get whatever comes in first, no choice I was told until they catch up. Mine is back ordered too. Bob, if I get hung up with the back order, I might be interested. Heck, it might just be a good reason to swing by and checkout your build. Assuming you still have a tank to sell.

[Bob_n_Cincy]

On the positive side, FFR told me they redesigned the tank for a little more driver's side space. They are waiting for both the standard hot rod tank (off the '33 maybe), and the newly designed tank. Back orders will get whatever comes in first, no choice I was told until they catch up. Mine is back ordered too. Bob, if I get hung up with the back order, I might be interested. Heck, it might just be a good reason to swing by and checkout your build. Assuming you still have a tank to sell.

Two available.
My son and I are to big even for the Boyd tank.
Bob

[metalmaker12]

Two available.
My son and I are to big even for the Boyd tank.
Bob

How tall are you guys!!

[metalmaker12]

I returned my tank to FFR, so at least someone on back order will get theirs.

I like this one better anyway ;)

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=25306&d=1390095606

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Looks familiar,

Everyone, I would like to mention that the Boyd tank is totally worth it's cost and is certainly not going to give you any issues like the FFR supplied tank gave me and others.

[Bob_n_Cincy]

How tall are you guys!!

I am 6'0" 280# an Michael is 6'2" 265#
We need another 1.5" off the Boyd tank, which would make it about a 7 gal tank.

[Doowop]

can anybody post pics of the stock tank? thanks

[Bob_n_Cincy]

can anybody post pics of the stock tank? thanks

I posted a picture of the stock tank in this thread
http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showthread.php?12416-Racing-requirements-for-fuel-tank&p=137015#post137015

[Goldwing]

I'm starting to wonder if I'll get the Boyd tank for storage space. Install the tank. Fit the seat. Use whatever I don't need for the seat as storage (a future Targa slot possibly?). That tank does seem a lot smaller. Now to watch for another sale, lol.

[ehansen007]

I have one with the fill tube on top vs off the back

don't ask how/why

same here anyone needs/wants it, their's for shipping $

The reason why is that these are the same tanks they used in the 33 Hot Rod! The original ones had the fill on the top of the mid-tank and when the majority of owners reported issues with filling them, they redesigned it with the opening on the back. :p

[philly15]

the boyd tank is looking better and better, i just want a damn tank in so i can finish my interior!

[JeromeS13]

the boyd tank is looking better and better, i just want a damn tank in so i can finish my interior!

Email me your address. You can have mine.

JeromeS13@gmail.com

[philly15]

Email me your address. You can have mine.

JeromeS13@gmail.com

really? im tempted, id really like to get my interior finished, does anyone know how long they are still back ordered first?

[metalmaker12]

Get the Boyd and forget the FFR tank period .

[RM1SepEx]

The reason why is that these are the same tanks they used in the 33 Hot Rod! The original ones had the fill on the top of the mid-tank and when the majority of owners reported issues with filling them, they redesigned it with the opening on the back. :p

I knew what is was... but that doesn't explain why FFR sent me an obsolete tank... took me 3 emails with photos to figure that out and 3 more emails and weeks of asking to get the updated fill tube for the new tank that they sent to me.

[philly15]

Email me your address. You can have mine.

JeromeS13@gmail.com

email sent

[07FIREBLADE]

Just got word that the new redesigned tank is due in 4/20. Does anyone have the stock one anymore that I can buy. I want to get started on wiring and my interior.

[Goldwing]

BobnCincy has two I think. Where are you located? I'm in your boat, but opted for the Boyd tank due to semi-wookie status.

[FFRSpec72]

Can someone with a Boyd tank give me the exact dimensions and placements of the pickup, sender, fuel pump and inlet as I'm trying to get a fuel cell made and FFR is useless so far.

[07FIREBLADE]

Southern Cali. Willing to take someone's stock one off there hands if they don't want need it anymore.

[Goldwing]

My Boyd tank showed up just yesterday, but I'm on crutches right now with a bad ankle sprain. I'll likely need a few days to get to it. Not getting out there to check it out is killing me! But in the meantime, their product page might have what you're looking for, dimensions are listed.

http://www.fueltankparts.com/factory-five-818-10-gallon-gas-tank-with-aeromotive-stealth-340-pump.html

[FFRSpec72]

My Boyd tank showed up just yesterday, but I'm on crutches right now with a bad ankle sprain. I'll likely need a few days to get to it. Not getting out there to check it out is killing me! But in the meantime, their product page might have what you're looking for, dimensions are listed.

Thanks I missed that, so the placement of the pickup and sender should not matter, but would like to know the height of the fuel inlet and the placement of the mounting tabs (top and bottom). I was also going to make my tank a like 36x6.5x9 (a little narrower and not as long as I will need to fit my fire bottle someplace and the space where the fuel cell sits looks to be fine and the fire lines don't have to be that long. So when you can hobble out there :-) it would be appreciated .

[FFRSpec72]

I have a design and quote from Harmon on a FIA fuel cell see http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showthread.php?13745-818-FIA-Fuel-Cell-Design-Quote

[custome]

Let me know if you need any help with the tank. It's got to be rough sitting idle!

[65 Cobra Dude]

I have a brand new tank open to whoever is waiting for the cost of shipping.

Henry

[FFinisher]

I have a brand new tank open to whoever is waiting for the cost of shipping.

Henry

Henry I need this tank. I will pick it up.

[65 Cobra Dude]

It's yours Ron. I'll bring it by tomorrow.

Henry

[FFinisher]

It's yours Ron. I'll bring it by tomorrow.

Henry

You'da man!

[07FIREBLADE]

Got swooped on... Darn. Anyone else have a tank they r not using. Will pay shipping or any other form of bribery ;D

[wallace18]

Got swooped on... Darn. Anyone else have a tank they r not using. Will pay shipping or any other form of bribery ;D

I have one. PM me your address. You can have it for the cost of shipping.

[07FIREBLADE]

PMed. Thanks Wallace18

[Frank818]

Mine is BOed as well, just got the official word yesterday.

[Triathletedave]

Any further news on the Back Order situation? As A Canadian customer, I cannot go to FFR directly to get updates, as the tank is part of the completion kit. I have yet to hear back from the provider of my completion kit, so I was hoping that someone here knew what was going on.

[07FIREBLADE]

Should be shipping out this week. That's what I was told at the HB show.

[Blitzkrieg]

Should be shipping out this week. That's what I was told at the HB show.

Mine will be here on the 8th. I'm #93

[Kurk818]

I received my shipping notification yesterday for the tank. Looks like the batch of tanks is in!

[SixStar]

Same here. Waiting on three tanks. Just in time too!

[Blitzkrieg]

Got mine today!

[AZPete]

Can someone post a picture of the new FFR tank, please? I'm way past it and have a Boyd tank but I'm curious to see what FFR designed.

[K3LAG]

Mine was shipped today. It's supposed to be here Friday. If no one beats me to it, I'll post pics this weekend. I'm using a Boyd tank, so I'm not sure what I'm going to do with it.

Larry

[cmcintyre]

Mine was shipped today. It's supposed to be here Friday. If no one beats me to it, I'll post pics this weekend. I'm using a Boyd tank, so I'm not sure what I'm going to do with it.

Larry

If it has the cutout for the left side setback (as the car in the FFR showroom has) I would like to put my hand up for it and would then have an original shape tank for sale…

[K3LAG]

If it has the cutout for the left side setback (as the car in the FFR showroom has) I would like to put my hand up for it and would then have an original shape tank for sale…

I'll keep you in mind.

Larry

[07FIREBLADE]

Can anyone post where the fill pipe goes if they have received the new tank. Just wondering if it is in the same location as the original one. Seems to be interfering with Mike E. coolant tubes...

[Blitzkrieg]

Can anyone post where the fill pipe goes if they have received the new tank. Just wondering if it is in the same location as the original one. Seems to be interfering with Mike E. coolant tubes...

It is right under the rear inner triangle of the frame. I forgot to take pics today, but I will post some tomorrow.

[Triathletedave]

Got confirmation today that my fuel tank is in. Being a Canadian, I have to wait for Whitby Motorcars to receive it first, then ship it on to me.

[Joe Scott]

Fuel tanks are finally in guys and will be shipped out to every back-order over the next few days! Thanks! Joe@FFRTECH

[07FIREBLADE]

Now the next question is did you guys happen to get the electrical connectors for the fuel tank too?

[Bob_n_Cincy]

If it has the cutout for the left side setback (as the car in the FFR showroom has) I would like to put my hand up for it and would then have an original shape tank for sale…

I just talked to Jay,
The tanks that are shipping right now are the standard size. They do not have the cutout for more leg room.
Bob

[Brando]

I just an invoice for the HOT ROD FUEL TANK which was shipped to me yesterday. Isn't that the tall guys tank?
I already installed a Boyd tank, so I have no idea what i'm going to do with this new tank.

[custome]

I just talked to Jay,
The tanks that are shipping right now are the standard size. They do not have the cutout for more leg room.
Bob

Bob,

Do you have any tanks that you would be willing to unload?

[Bob_n_Cincy]

Bob,

Do you have any tanks that you would be willing to unload?
Sorry, One is already gone and I'm keeping the other until I get a big boy tank.
Bob

[RandyB]

I received the fuel tank this week and I can't tell the difference between the old hot rod tank and the tank I received. After waiting several months for the improved tank, I hope they made an error.

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[GUNS]

Randy,

Unfortunately, that is the Hot Rod tank.

[Blitzkrieg]

I received the fuel tank this week and I can't tell the difference between the old hot rod tank and the tank I received. After waiting several months for the improved tank, I hope they made an error.

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I waited about 5 months for the same tank. Not worth it IMHO.

[Sean.keehn@gmail.com]

I must be missing something, whats wrong with the FFR tank, and how much is the other one?

[EODTech87]

I waited about 5 months for the same tank. Not worth it IMHO.

I received the same tank as well. sucks to hear about the new improved tank and wait a couple of months to get it just to end up with the same old tank.

[Bob_n_Cincy]

I think we all heard they were redesigning the tank to add more legroom.
Then we heard the everybody's tank was back ordered.
We all put 2 and 2 together and ASSUMED they were related. We were wrong.

When the extra leg room new tank does show up, it will also have to include a change in design of the fire wall.
Bob

[RandyB]

For me, it wasn't an assumption. I received my 818 in December and called Factory Five regularly after that to get back ordered parts. When I spoke to them in February, they gave me a choice between having them ship me the hot rod tank right away or waiting to receive the redesigned tank. They outright told me the redesigned tank would provide additional legroom. With that information, I opted to wait and after an additional three month wait, I received the hot rod tank. When I received the tank on 6 May, it gave me none of what they told me I would get if I waited.

[LagniappeRob]

I am 6'0" 280# an Michael is 6'2" 265#
We need another 1.5" off the Boyd tank, which would make it about a 7 gal tank.


So what are y'all doing for the tanks? I'd be in the same boat. I was ready to order on Monday, but reading this has given me pause.

[Bob_n_Cincy]

So what are y'all doing for the tanks? I'd be in the same boat. I was ready to order on Monday, but reading this has given me pause.
Welcome Rob, (I hope I got that correct)
First thing I suggest id to sit in on of the cars the with a thin race style seat. Then decide if you can fit or not. Find a builder near you and stop by for a visit. We all like showing off our stuff.
Myself and a few other builders are going to put the tank in the box where the battery would normally go.
Bob

[RandyB]

I spoke to the guys at Factory Five today and they told me I could still get the new tank instead of the hot rod tank, but they cannot give a delivery estimate for the new tank as it isn't in production yet. They said they are still doing some design on the tank to allow it to accept the stock fuel pump and fuel gauge sensor from the donor.

[FFRSpec72]

I spoke to the guys at Factory Five today and they told me I could still get the new tank instead of the hot rod tank, but they cannot give a delivery estimate for the new tank as it isn't in production yet. They said they are still doing some design on the tank to allow it to accept the stock fuel pump and fuel gauge sensor from the donor.

This is really disappointing news, FFR has neglected the fuel system and continues to do so. I'm not sure that the best move was to design a fuel tank for the existing aging sender and pump, these are not real expensive items but I understand that FFR wants to use as much of the donor as possible. The sender I will say designing a fuel tank around a float ased sender is not the smartest move, as these are subject to slosh readings and subject to age.

[Triathletedave]

I finally got my tank yesterday. As a Canadian customer, it was very unnerving tracking it on USPS. First it went from North Carolina to Florida where it sat for 2 weeks, then off to a Canada Customs depot somewhere for 2 weeks, then finally to a depot in Calgary.

No excuses not to get back to work on the car now! At least I have something to do -it's been raining here for what feels like weeks!

[FFRSpec72]

TAKEN

If anyone needs FFR tank let me know and you can have it for the cost of shipping

[07FIREBLADE]

If anyone else needs a stock FFR tank, let me know you can have it for the price of shipping

[john g]

I too have an extra stock tank. Fuel pump installed. Let me know if you want it for the cost of shipping.

John

[Cbus]

Sent pm John g

[07FIREBLADE]

Looking to get rid of my spare tank. If anyone needs one let me know.

[R.Spec]

Here is the new tank!

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[wallace18]

Here is the new tank!

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Seems like a much better unit. I wish the K818S had this one.

[R.Spec]

Seems like a much better unit. I wish the K818S had this one.

Smaller, slimmer, and look how much room they saved behind the drivers seat! WOW!!

[xxguitarist]

Is there any baffling to speak of on the new model? Looks like it has a LOT more room for the seat, which sure would be nice to have available. I'm fine for race position, but it's not spacious for extended drives to the course.

[Bob_n_Cincy]

Here is the new tank!

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Interesting,
I don't see any tabs for mounting. Must be going to use straps.
Also no vent or gauge holes. Maybe the new oblong access plate is for this.
Bob

[R.Spec]

Is there any baffling to speak of on the new model? Looks like it has a LOT more room for the seat, which sure would be nice to have available. I'm fine for race position, but it's not spacious for extended drives to the course.

This is all that is there.

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[flynntuna]

Isn't the fuel cap on the car on the left side? Is the fill hose going to run from the left side to the right?

[Bob_n_Cincy]

Isn't the fuel cap on the car on the left side? Is the fill hose going to run from the left side to the right?
The fill inlet is on the left side (of car) back. you can't see it in these pictures.

[Hobby Racer]

Here is the new tank!

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38459

Is this the new tank FFR is shipping?

[R.Spec]

Is this the new tank FFR is shipping?

yessir!

[Louisromersh]

Does anyone have a picture of the tank setting in the Frame? Also how much gas does it hold?

[NBinSD]

I received the new tank yesterday and contacted FFR about how it mounts. They said there's a new firewall that's designed to hold it in place... don't know when I get that part. I'll post up a pic of it in the car when I get home.

[NBinSD]

Here's the new tank in the frame. It gives me 4.5 inches of movement with my sliders. The rearward movement is limited by the top of the seat hitting the frame... you could get another inch or two of leg space if you tilted the seat a bit forward.

I also heard back from FFR that they're shipping the new firewall panels at the beginning of next week.

-Noah

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[Bob_n_Cincy]

Here's the new tank in the frame. It gives me 4.5 inches of movement with my sliders. The rearward movement is limited by the top of the seat hitting the frame... you could get another inch or two of leg space if you tilted the seat a bit forward.

I also heard back from FFR that they're shipping the new firewall panels at the beginning of next week.

-Noah

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Looks like they might be using a Subaru fuel pump mounting assembly.
The flange on the new tank matches the Subaru flange.
Bob
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[R.Spec]

Looks like they might be using a Subaru fuel pump mounting assembly.
The flange on the new tank matches the Subaru flange.
Bob
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That is correct. I have their style fuel pump assy still. If anyone needs it let me know. I will be using the stock assembly I believe with a walboro 255 or more.

[suttonb3]

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I got the updated tank and firewall last week. Accompanying them was manual revision 1N, which covers the changes. They don't specifically address securing the tank, which leads me to believe the firewall is designed to do it. But it just doesn't seem like enough. You can see the gap above the tank. Any thoughts?

[NBinSD]

I'm not home right now but doesn't the middle piece that fits perpendicular to the two firewall pieces (not shown in your pics) sit down against the tank?

[suttonb3]

You're right, it does sit there but it's at the same height as the ledge created by the 2 firewall pieces. It doesn't put any downward pressure on the tank itself. I'm sure the wedge shape of the tank and firewall will prevent it from moving but I want to make certain. The manual revision seems like it's missing a few steps.

[flynntuna]

This new tank and sheet metal is a big improvement.

Summit has a large assortment of straps available if FFR doesn't have them.

http://www.summitracing.com/search?SortBy=BestKeywordMatch&SortOrder=Ascending&keyword=Fuel%20tank%20straps

[NBinSD]

Yeah Suttonb3 I just checked mine and that piece doesn't put any downward pressure. It's just the wedge shape to hold it down. I'll probably drill the mounts for the firewall pieces and see how much movement the tank has before making the call if it needs more reinforcement.

I do like the new firewall, it gives you a nice small storage space behind the seats. Only drawback is that it cuts into passenger seat space. I'm going to have to move my pass seat about 1.5" forward... maybe more if I lower the seat.

[suttonb3]

I'll mount the firewall and report my findings. I bet we discover that it secures the tank well. I'm going to use rivnuts instead of rivets to make maintenance easier in the future.