33 Hotrod Coyote Air Conditioning

[Robert Andrew]

Has anyone built a 33 with a Coyote engine, and installed air conditioning? If so, did the compressor mount in the stock location, lower right side of the block, or did you have to use an aftermarket accessory drive kit? If you used the stock mounting point, is there any trick to making the idler work? Thanks.

[michael everson]

I am doing just what you are. The stock compressor fits fine with a small modification. There is a boss that needs to be cut off the compressor. It will be obvious when you try to mount it. It fits perfect otherwise. The belt tensioner is not needed. Just use the stretchy belt that Ford uses on the mustang
Now for the bad news. I have not been able to find adapters that will fit the Coyote compressor and attach to the Vintage air hoses. I have turned the world upside down looking for these. If anyone has a source I would be very grateful.
Mike

[Robert Andrew]

Thanks Mike. I'll ask an AC tech that I know. Did you talk to Vintage Air? I have met some of their people at car shows, and they are really sharp and really helpful.

[DaleG]

One alternative would be to use a VA compressor and sell the stock one. Or, if you are also going with power steering you could use this:

http://www.vintageair.com/cyotfrntrnnr.asp

A bit pricey, but am using it with Whitby's VA AC/heater unit and it fits/looks great. I'm not on the road yet, but others have vouched for it.

[michael everson]

A bit pricey is an understatement.
Mike

[48prerunner]

What about if you got a used set of mustang hoses and then welded on the fitting you needed? We did that on a 4.6 out of a 2008 mustang when using stock compressor. I know vintage air makes an adapter for that ford compressor.

http://www.vintageair.com/2013catalog/2013%20VintageAir%20Catalog%20Webpgs%2070.pdf

[michael everson]

Those are the adapters I bought. They are too small. Perfect otherwise.
Mike

[48prerunner]

Little off topic but Any difference between a mustang 5.0 coyote ac compressor and a f-150 5.0 coyote ac compressor ? they have a different part number but what would be different?

here is a link to welding on adapters http://www.classictrucks.com/tech/1001clt_1967_1972_ford_f100_custom_vintage_air_ac_ install/tig_welding_ac_tubes.html

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[donshapansky]

I'm doing A/C on my coyote in a Hot Rod, I have mastered getting the belt on using a zip, this belt has no tensioner it is a stretch fit. Let me know if you need help to get the belt on. Next is connectors, I live just south of Fort Worth , TX and have been referred to s shop that will build the connectors needed for this Mustang style compressor. I will post here when I have the task completed, which should be within the next couple of weeks. Here are a couple of shots.2886928870 The second shot shows the amount of the metal removed to clear the suspension pivot.

[donshapansky]

Sorry the muffler picture was a mistake here is the correct photo. Also you can see the connectors are different from the Ford Uni-block type used on the modular motors, Vintage air can supply those but have no suggestions for the new compressor for the Coyote.
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[michael everson]

Don. I just read either here or on the other forum that someone found adapters for the Coyote compressor. I cannot seem to find it though.
Mike

[77233349975]

I also have a coyote in a 33hot rod .i used the mustang compressor and ventage air ac unit. ventageair was no help! no time to talk. they would sell me a 2000$ pulley kit with a p.s. bracket or nothing. I went to a a.c. shop and they welded a fitting that would fit the ford compressor to the ventageair hose with the charging ports. all was good .I gave them $20.00 and went home.it seamed to be no big deal to them but it was to ME.

[donshapansky]

Thanks, I have found a shop in Fort Worth that will do the same for me!

[BASmith]

DaleG. The Vintage Air Frontrunner will not work on the '33. The compressor will fit, but one of the ports is right under an upper control arm bracket and there is no apparent way to get the fitting on.

Also, just for general knowledge, the VA Coyote "Frontrunner" system will NOT work on an "Aluminator" version of the Coyote because some of the cast bosses on the front cover of the engine used to fasten a bracket of the kit, are milled away at the factory to facilitate the installation of a supercharger.

donshapansky and 77233349975. What parts did you use to make the adaptation to the ports on the stock Ford compressor?

Bruce

[DaleG]

Bruce, good to know; was unaware of both issues. Thanks.

[BASmith]

DaleG, You are absolutely right about the "Frontrunner" kit fitting and looking great though! I was going to use the power steering pump to provide power for a "Hydraboost" power brake system on my '33. Anybody need a "Hydraboost" system for their project?
Bruce

[donshapansky]

I ordered the 2 hoses used on my 2013 Mustang Boss 302, then I cut the pipes to fit partly through so I could make the bends needed now I'm headed to a shop in Fort Worth to get them welded plus I'm relocating the binary/trinary switch and charge fittings to where I want them. I bought my own crimping tool to make the hoses myself. When I'm done I'll post a few shots.

[BASmith]

donshapansky, Thanks for the reply. I also bought my own crimping tool to make up the interior hoses. Will be looking forward to your posts. Thanks again.
Bruce

[bansheekev]

DaleG, You are absolutely right about the "Frontrunner" kit fitting and looking great though! I was going to use the power steering pump to provide power for a "Hydraboost" power brake system on my '33. Anybody need a "Hydraboost" system for their project?
Bruce

If you want to use the factory AC compressor and still have power steering (without the Frontrunner setup) take a look at KRC Power Steering. Their power steering setup is above the factory AC compressor location and runs off of the water pump pulley. I just finishing the install on my Coyote in a MKIV. Only thing that is a little bit of a challenge is that since the pump is high and gravity fed, the reservoir also has to be up high. Came out good though. It is popular with the Fox swap crowd as they can retain all the factory stuff including AC when they get the motor as a unit as a wreaked dropout.

From the top:
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From the bottom:
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Reservoir tank:
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Kevin

[BASmith]

bansheekev, Thanks for the info. However, that spot is right about where the alternator mounts in the '33 Coyote install. The factory location for the alternator on the Coyote engine is too crowded with steering shaft support bearings and/or electric power steering motor to fit the alternator in. It's disappointing how much cool stuff is out there for the Coyote that can't be used on the '33 because of the "narrowed at the front" chassis design. You cobra guys have it sooo easy!!! LOL.

Bruce

[bansheekev]

Oh well, figured it was worth sharing. I don't envy you guys as this thing is crammed in there even in my MKIV. I am officially out of space under the hood. At least you can go without a hood I guess.

Kevin


bansheekev, Thanks for the info. However, that spot is right about where the alternator mounts in the '33 Coyote install. The factory location for the alternator on the Coyote engine is too crowded with steering shaft support bearings and/or electric power steering motor to fit the alternator in. It's disappointing how much cool stuff is out there for the Coyote that can't be used on the '33 because of the "narrowed at the front" chassis design. You cobra guys have it sooo easy!!! LOL.

Bruce

[DaleG]

Oh well, figured it was worth sharing. I don't envy you guys as this thing is crammed in there even in my MKIV. I am officially out of space under the hood. At least you can go without a hood I guess.

Kevin

How am I supposed to get under there to adjust the hood hinges? Battery box on one side, ABS module on the other, and overflow tank in the center.:cool:

[bansheekev]

How am I supposed to get under there to adjust the hood hinges? Battery box on one side, ABS module on the other, and overflow tank in the center.:cool:

I was asking my self the same thing last night...

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Kevin

[BASmith]

Ah! The point where engineering and reality meet; within the overcrowded confines of an engine compartment!!!
DaleG: You just pull the engine and come up from underneath! Piece of cake!
bansheekev! Nice looking install! As for the hood hinge adjustment dilemma, see the above obvious answer.
Bruce

[DaleG]

Ah! The point where engineering and reality meet; within the overcrowded confines of an engine compartment!!!
DaleG: You just pull the engine and come up from underneath! Piece of cake!
bansheekev! Nice looking install! As for the hood hinge adjustment dilemma, see the above obvious answer.
Bruce

Oh, of course, Bruce. Couldn't see the forest for the trees! :rolleyes:

Although, it just may come to that.

Cheers, Dale

[bansheekev]

I see one of three options:

1) Crazy combination of 2 foot socket extension, universals, and maybe even crow's feet plus some choice words
2) Send my 6 year old daughter under there to do it (don't tell mom)
3) Outsource (calling Da Bat!)

Yep, option 3

Kevin


Ah! The point where engineering and reality meet; within the overcrowded confines of an engine compartment!!!
DaleG: You just pull the engine and come up from underneath! Piece of cake!
bansheekev! Nice looking install! As for the hood hinge adjustment dilemma, see the above obvious answer.
Bruce

[BASmith]

DaleG, Let's hope it doesn't come to that!
bansheekev, If you go with option 1, please post pictures and/or video with sound! I'm positive there must be other Cobra builders awaiting your solution, who will also need to know the correct combination of magic words to make it all happen!
Good luck guys!
Bruce

[DaleG]

Thinking #3 is a good choice if Jeff comes back my way sometime, but I'll give it a try first.

Just went out and had a hard look; not sure how it will actually be with the body on, but I may have a fair shot at the PS, and maybe the DS also if I take off the air intake. Just depends...we'll see:confused:

Cheers

[BASmith]

donshapansky, 77233349975, Any more info, or pics on which parts and adapters/fittings you used to complete your air cond. system?
Thanks.
Bruce

[48prerunner]

pictures of the small manifolds and fittings that
seanhylandmotorsport have for the AC compressors, basically,
they have a small aluminum part that is machined, and bolts into those fittings
areas on the compressor. Then, they thread them internally, and have a fitting
that is a male-male fitting that has the correct -8 and -10 fittings to mate to
AC lines.picture of the AC fittings that I have been talking about.
The front side "manifold" has a plug in it currently, and the back one has the
threaded part in it that allows you to hook up a conventional AC fitting
http://i325.photobucket.com/albums/k367/ford1969/ACfittings_zps01d53873.jpg (http://s325.photobucket.com/user/ford1969/media/ACfittings_zps01d53873.jpg.html)

I think I'm going to use their power steering as it runs off the crank pulley and the ac compressor.

[donshapansky]

OK I got the fittings modified I bought from Ford to fit the Coyote compressor, I bought a crimping tool and here are some photos as of tonight.
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My Fort Worth guy couldn't do the welding but he had a few fittings I needed. Then back to my welding shop who sent the fittings to a friend who managed make the perfect angles and the fittings arrived on my desk in 2 days no charge. We do a lot business with them but I was woo hoo! So tonight in about 3 hours it's done as far as fittings now to finish up the electrical.

[donshapansky]

Forgot to mention nothing sticks outside the frame rails, which was big concern now I have to do some wrapping, especially the heater hoses are within an inch of the exhaust header for about an inch (90 elbow).

[BASmith]

48prerunner, Thanks for the response and info. Much appreciated!

donshapansky, Thanks for your info as well! One question though. Is there a specific reason for the "S" bend rather than an angled solid or flexible line?

Thanks guys!

Bruce

[donshapansky]

I tried to stay away from the headers as far as possible, I had a hard time getting the hose through the frame and up above it without kinks and I didn't know about a fitting option like 48prerunner has shown.

[BASmith]

donshapansky, Thanks again for the additional explanation and info and, though I forgot to mention earlier, the great detailed photos! Oh, I almost forgot! What's the story on using a "zip" to get the belt on? You are a declared "master" at getting the belt on(and off?)! I know I, and perhaps others, would appreciate your incite on this.

Thanks again!

Bruce

[H R Lucky]

donshapansky, Thanks again for the additional explanation and info and, though I forgot to mention earlier, the great detailed photos! Oh, I almost forgot! What's the story on using a "zip" to get the belt on? You are a declared "master" at getting the belt on(and off?)! I know I, and perhaps others, would appreciate your incite on this.

Thanks again!

Bruce

Bruce,
Here's a link to the pdf from ford service manual on how to install AC belt with zip tie.
http://iihs.net/fsm/?dir=865&viewfile=Air%20Conditioning%20%28AC%29%20Compresso r%20Belt%20-%203.7L%20and%205.0L.pdf
Scroll down to 303-05-4 at Installation no. 1

[BASmith]

Nevin, Thanks for the link info on the AC belt r/r. Looks like that will get it done. Kinda makes me wonder though who in the engineering dept. came up with this solution? Also, engine and trans are in! Thank you for the tips and pics. Plenty of room!!

Bruce

[donshapansky]

I have not mastered belt removal, I had to remove the compressor to install the engine and I to snip the belt! Installing the belt in the chassis was not too hard but make sure you tuck the belt in behind the crank pulley, it will go on from the front of the pulley. The other item is there is no room for the engine harness behind the alternator bracket the belt takes that room away. I tucked the dryer in there as well and tied the engine harness to the dryer bracket as insurance against the harness drifting back to the compressor drive belt area.

[donshapansky]

I made a typo, the belt will NOT install from the front of the pulley!

[Hakeem]

pictures of the small manifolds and fittings that
seanhylandmotorsport have for the AC compressors, basically,
they have a small aluminum part that is machined, and bolts into those fittings
areas on the compressor. Then, they thread them internally, and have a fitting
that is a male-male fitting that has the correct -8 and -10 fittings to mate to
AC lines.picture of the AC fittings that I have been talking about.
The front side "manifold" has a plug in it currently, and the back one has the
threaded part in it that allows you to hook up a conventional AC fitting
http://i325.photobucket.com/albums/k367/ford1969/ACfittings_zps01d53873.jpg (http://s325.photobucket.com/user/ford1969/media/ACfittings_zps01d53873.jpg.html)

I think I'm going to use their power steering as it runs off the crank pulley and the ac compressor.

Hey all,

I know this might be a bit late but anybody knows what is the mating connector for this compressor? and what are these two wires for? and how to hook them with the FFR Air-condition kit?

Thanks
Hakeem

[mike forte]

Hi,
I will post pictures from work on Monday.
Mike Forte
Forte's Parts Connection
508 875 0016

[Shoeless]

Hey guys I'm fairly new to this forum and though this would be a good place to ask this question. I am in my planning phase of my 33 build and want to do a supercharged Coyote or Boss 302 (leaning towards the Boss 302), but want to know my options for A/C and power steering.

Any help is appreciated and I look forward to moving forward with my project.

[H R Lucky]

Hey Shoeless,
Welcome to the fun, you can have A/C on the coyote (stock Ford compressor will mount in the stock location (low on Pass side); you can get electric power steering form Factory Five when you order your 33. I won't attempt to give any details on this, there are plenty of threads explaining that, just do a search for each subject.

[Shoeless]

Many thanks H R Lucky. I am getting used to the search functions on both forums. Pretty similar to my fishing forum. Thanks again, nothing like getting a little confirmation in my plan before I set expectations to high.