Sidepipe options

[chopthebass]

Am I limited to FFR sidepipes or are there others out there? If so, do they all sound different?
I am planning a Coyote build and want it to sound the part!

[Snakely]

Gas N' pipes
http://www.breezeautomotive.com/details.php?prod_id=507

Quiet-pipe kit
http://www.breezeautomotive.com/details.php?prod_id=545&cat_id=26

These are just a couple options from Breeze.

[chopthebass]

Thanks Snakely. Not sure I want 'quiet' pipes though!

[edwardb]

The two that Snakely listed are the only two I've seen. I can comment about the standard FFR pipes and Gas N' pipes: From a pure DB standpoint, they are about the same. This has been written about and includes a video posted on YouTube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plP1ecBy8F0

My personal experience with both is that the FFR pipes have a loud almost metallic edge or sharpness that for me is very unpleasant. I did not use them long enough to find out, but apparently they can burn out pretty quickly (e.g. within several thousand miles) and get even louder. The Gas N' pipes have a much more mellow sound, and by all accounts last longer. I have Gas N's on my Mk3, with nearly 4,000 miles. They sound as good as the day they were installed new. I highly recommend them.

If Mark at Breeze sells the quiet pipes, I'm sure they are a top quality product. But I personally don't want or need that much sound reduction. I too like the car to sound the part, within reason.

Certainly lots of builders have fabbed their own, but that's a whole other topic.

[CraigS]

Search here and the other forum. there is a company that makes an alternate muffler and transition so the inside of the pipes are larger than the FFR originals.

[1HotSC]

Google "Lobak Mufflers"
A San Francisco area company that produces a muffler that replaces the FFR unit. You keep the FFR sidepipes but cut out the old unit, weld in the Lobak then powdercoat, ceramic coat ... whatever.
You really have to know your sidepipes to tell the difference in appearance but the sound is definitely different. They can be ordered in various lengths for different sound quality (14" 16" 18", etc), are a very good product and are reasonably priced.
I installed them on my second roadster... waste of time. It's a Factory Five; if you can't hear it 2 blocks away what's the point?

[Dave Howard]

I went to the build school in the spring of 2012. One of the things I notice from the car we built and from the couple of local cars that visited was that the FFR side pipes are LOUD. On the recommendation of others, I bought the Gas-N side pipes. A little more money but worth it On my Coyote, these things sound nice and you won't tick off the neughbours. Direct bolt on. Great quality materials and workmanship. And while you're at it, invest in Coyote headers from Stainless Headers. See other posts on these headers. Nothing but good reviews.

[Bob Cowan]

Stock FFR pipes are loud, and harsh. I cut mine out and welded in some glass packs from Classic Chambered Exhaust. It's a much better sound. Deeper, and not as harsh. Certainly quieter, too. Especially at cruising speeds.

[Benji]

i went to the build school in the spring of 2012. One of the things i notice from the car we built and from the couple of local cars that visited was that the ffr side pipes are loud. On the recommendation of others, i bought the gas-n side pipes. A little more money but worth it on my coyote, these things sound nice and you won't tick off the neughbours. Direct bolt on. Great quality materials and workmanship. And while you're at it, invest in coyote headers from stainless headers. See other posts on these headers. Nothing but good reviews.

video or it didn't happen! ;)

[edwardb]

video or it didn't happen! ;)

OK. I'll bite. This is a follow-up to my post #4 above. Here's a video I put together last year from a pretty nice Sunday afternoon cruise.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8TVofKstKs&context=C486c94bADvjVQa1PpcFMgy1Z0ULMHS-pv9DTEpYkL5N8WuQqVbKY=

This is my Mk3 with a pretty strong 306 and GAS-N' pipes. You may not want to wade through the whole thing. But at about the 3:00 minute mark there are a couple of pretty good throttle hits, right up to the rev limiter a couple of times. Turn up your sound and you get a pretty good idea what they sound like. For me the sound is just right. Angry like it should be but not earsplitting. I normally wear soft musician style ear plugs, which cut some but not as much as full foam plugs. Just about right.

BTW, the video was shot with a GoPro on the roll bar, and an external mic just laying on the transmission tunnel.

[Dave Howard]

Thanks Snakely. Not sure I want 'quiet' pipes though!

Hey Ian. It looks like ill be heading to Calgary in December to see Tom at Dunwell. I'll contact you when I go and you can have a listen for yourself...see what you think. They're not so quiet when you step into it but like "edwardb" says 'Angry but not ear splitting'. Well put!!!

[Slider]

I wanted to add that I was over at Stainless Headers the other day and they are now also making side pipes. I've attached a picture. They've designed them as "Low Temp" which run considerably cooler than standard side pipes, making them safer for you and your passenger, as well as those people who stand too close in parking lots and gas stations. And equally cool, they are rebuildable, meaning they can be repacked down the road. I'm definitely going this way when my original FF pipes need replacement.


23222


I went to the build school in the spring of 2012. One of the things I notice from the car we built and from the couple of local cars that visited was that the FFR side pipes are LOUD. On the recommendation of others, I bought the Gas-N side pipes. A little more money but worth it On my Coyote, these things sound nice and you won't tick off the neughbours. Direct bolt on. Great quality materials and workmanship. And while you're at it, invest in Coyote headers from Stainless Headers. See other posts on these headers. Nothing but good reviews.

[chopthebass]

Hey Ian. It looks like ill be heading to Calgary in December to see Tom at Dunwell. I'll contact you when I go and you can have a listen for yourself...see what you think. They're not so quiet when you step into it but like "edwardb" says 'Angry but not ear splitting'. Well put!!!

Thanks Dave. I am on vacation 20 Dec to 1 Jan so any other time is fine! Please PM me when you have a firm date and I'll love to come take a look.

[chopthebass]

I wanted to add that I was over at Stainless Headers the other day and they are now also making side pipes. I've attached a picture. They've designed them as "Low Temp" which run considerably cooler than standard side pipes, making them safer for you and your passenger, as well as those people who stand too close in parking lots and gas stations. And equally cool, they are rebuildable, meaning they can be repacked down the road. I'm definitely going this way when my original FF pipes need replacement.


23222

They look nice. What about the 4 pipes that go through the body? Would you need to dismantle the FFR ones and add these?

[Benji]

OK. I'll bite. This is a follow-up to my post #4 above. Here's a video I put together last year from a pretty nice Sunday afternoon cruise.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8TVofKstKs&context=C486c94bADvjVQa1PpcFMgy1Z0ULMHS-pv9DTEpYkL5N8WuQqVbKY=

This is my Mk3 with a pretty strong 306 and GAS-N' pipes. You may not want to wade through the whole thing. But at about the 3:00 minute mark there are a couple of pretty good throttle hits, right up to the rev limiter a couple of times. Turn up your sound and you get a pretty good idea what they sound like. For me the sound is just right. Angry like it should be but not earsplitting. I normally wear soft musician style ear plugs, which cut some but not as much as full foam plugs. Just about right.

BTW, the video was shot with a GoPro on the roll bar, and an external mic just laying on the transmission tunnel.

Wonderful! Thank you sir. That's spot on and thank you for knowing how to actually record sound in an open top car!

[Slider]

I'm sure there is a piece that comes off the headers flange and connects to these. The FF Pipes come all as one piece, so I'm betting Stainless would include this piece as part of the sidepipe they sell.
They look nice. What about the 4 pipes that go through the body? Would you need to dismantle the FFR ones and add these?

[David]

I wanted to add that I was over at Stainless Headers the other day and they are now also making side pipes. I've attached a picture. They've designed them as "Low Temp" which run considerably cooler than standard side pipes, making them safer for you and your passenger, as well as those people who stand too close in parking lots and gas stations. And equally cool, they are rebuildable, meaning they can be repacked down the road. I'm definitely going this way when my original FF pipes need replacement.


23222

Any idea the price for just the mufflers? Those look great!

[BillJackson]

The primary pipe length is OVER 40" long. With a 388 cu/in motor you won't lose much torque and the smaller diameter pipes would kill off some power over 4500RPM. You did build a motor for a "Sports car" didn't you?

[FritoBandito]

I wanted to add that I was over at Stainless Headers the other day and they are now also making side pipes. I've attached a picture. They've designed them as "Low Temp" which run considerably cooler than standard side pipes, making them safer for you and your passenger, as well as those people who stand too close in parking lots and gas stations. And equally cool, they are rebuildable, meaning they can be repacked down the road. I'm definitely going this way when my original FF pipes need replacement.


23222
Stainless Headers built my headers and I'm looking forward to them doing sidepipes for me as well once my FFRs wear out. Unfortunately the sidepipe to header flange will have to be custom since my headers were made to make my wonky FFR pipes fit perfectly. I'll just send em my FFR side pipes so they can duplicate the alignment I guess.

Mario

[bsnyder]

Here's Gas-N's direct web site:
http://www.gas-n.com/home.html