FFCARS forum, not so hot on the 818 ?

[THE ITALIAN]

Went over to the "old" site to check on the comments. Although the site has an incredible information base
there seems to be a very small interest in the 818
I looked at the thread count on the new car, and it is at best, lack of interest over-all.

Must be the threat of "old tradition" being attacked, like the good old boys when I drive up to a hotrod show in my roadster ?.

I think the 818 is a revaluation of home builders and a very good one.
I know I don't speak "SUBE" , but I sure can see the value and after seeing the car run around the track, maybe it is a "threat" ?
The "old" site has great value & always will, but it seems to be ignoring the "new" purposely.
I think it is missing 4 cylinders or something.

[fastthings]

I don't think that's it at all. I don't think the old site is ignoring the 818, The 818 guys don't need 2 forums. Why would you go over there? I actually think it's lame to post in both forums, but if I don't I'm afraid I'll miss something. I wish we only had one forum. Lots of guys that hang out over there love the 818 and will build one.

This has nothing to do with the "ffcars forum" guys not liking the 818.

Gene

[Mechie3]

I agree with Gene.

I post my stuff here, on NASIOC, and my local Subie forum. It's a cut/paste. No reason to cut/paste the same story a fourth time to FFcars. I think it's more the 818 crowd started out here and everyone that would see it there is here (more or less).

[THE ITALIAN]

No, you guys aren't following my idea..…
You started here because YOU ARE SUBI guys. I started out at FFcars, ( I have a roadster) but I followed it here. Before I knew about the 818 project, Subaru was just another BUZZ SAW until I realized, this thing has got quite a following - I had to know more + being Factory Five itself.
I had no idea about the performance of this "Boxer" motor, now I do. I started my car craze with 4 bangers with a Datsun 510, so I am not opposed to listening. I understand the 818 was born here, but I have to admit from what this car has done in a short time, it is very impressive to even
a BIG displacement guy, how it is not bigger news? Especially to the guys who live these "other" cars.

[michael everson]

I don't see any point in posting over there on the 818. FFRs site works great without all the drama of the other one. This site is very heavy on threads for the 818 like the other site is for Roadsters.
Mike

[tirod]

It's the climate. There are some very specific reasons for it. People choose forums precisely because of the "atmosphere" or environment they perceive exists.

Recently posted a comment in a forum I had just joined, and discovered that the site was expressly biased in a lot of ways. Got interesting real quick. Some sites are like that.

The difficulty in discussing it in any detail is that it then raises issues of perception, and some can and will interpret that as bashing. It gets into a forum war pretty quickly, with cross posting, etc. The Alpha males all start jockeying position to see who can defend their point of view. Then the admins lock it all up - in most cases. Some forums won't, tho. It could go on for tens of pages.

The big picture is to expect to see different interest groups gathered even in forums that appear to be identical in subject. A little more reading and you will find differences in the collective view, some major. One would be to express opinions without any direct attacks on personality or character, and actively suppress it when it happens. Keeps things on the subject matter and to the point, which really is the purpose of the site.

Another would be to have the site admin participate in said attacks. (NOT TOS, but other forums.) It's their house, their rules, if that's how they want to introduce themselves and run things, better to be aware of it. Don't expect to hear about it in advance on other forums. It's not done because that just starts the interdweeb wars again.

Are their specific differences between this site and TOS, yes. They are not identical. Could that change in 5 years? Yes. Things have even changed here now that the 818 is reality. And, I could go into detail, but ya know, it might start something. Like as not somebody will be offended saying this much.

<insert cartoon of guy beating on keyboard with caption: "But, dear, somebody is wrong on the internet!"

[THE ITALIAN]

Ok, I was just wondering, I agree there is "an atmosphere" at the other site and this one is very car specific-so far, I am sure the other site just grew.
You have to admit, this 818 is incredible and I think the best project F5 has produced.
For a lot of us "older" guys, this is a learning process. I installed an air research turbo on my 510 back in 1982 when a waste gate was almost foreign object, forget engine management, so for me it is nostalgia and new.
When I look at "thread count" at FFcars on the 818, it is lower than my walmart underwear.

[Mechie3]

No, you guys aren't following my idea..…
You started here because YOU ARE SUBI guys.

It's true, I am a Subie guy. The reason I started here was because I was new to the scene and thefactoryfiveforum was advertised as the place to follow the 818 and its development. Wasn't the design contest held here and at GRM? It just seemed that this place was the location of first hand info.

[MPTech]

I don't think there's a right & wrong. The other site has many years of roadster history, a HUGE knowledge base, and participation that cannot be replicated here. I'm sure there are roadster guys on the other forum that have never been here and probably don't even know about it. It remains the best source for Roadster, Coupe, and Spyder knowledge. This forum is where the 818 was born and will be the de-facto site for the 818 crowd. The '33 and GTM are almost balanced between the 2.
I enjoy the 818 and the GTM, but they don't give me admiration that the vintage replicas do. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate all of them and enjoy the mechanics of the engineering.
If you want 818 knowledge and discussion, this is the site and these first builders are setting the bar VERY high.

I am glad to see that the drama on this site has decreased since the rubber met the road and the build crowd has dominated the conversations. Less "talk" more "doing" now.

[GWL]

I don't think there's a right & wrong. The other site has many years of roadster history, a HUGE knowledge base, and participation that cannot be replicated here. I'm sure there are roadster guys on the other forum that have never been here and probably don't even know about it. It remains the best source for Roadster, Coupe, and Spyder knowledge. This forum is where the 818 was born and will be the de-facto site for the 818 crowd. The '33 and GTM are almost balanced between the 2.
I enjoy the 818 and the GTM, but they don't give me admiration that the vintage replicas do. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate all of them and enjoy the mechanics of the engineering.
If you want 818 knowledge and discussion, this is the site and these first builders are setting the bar VERY high.

I am glad to see that the drama on this site has decreased since the rubber met the road and the build crowd has dominated the conversations. Less "talk" more "doing" now.

I agree with MPT but will add there is a social aspect on the other site that I like. That being said, I like both sites for what they are. In order, I look for the technical threads on the roadster first, then social, then come here for more technical. I have been somewhat following the 818 and if I was younger would be taking it up as my next project or the Hot Rod. Just not enough time left but I'm enjoying every minute of it.

George

[mrmustang]

I don't see any point in posting over there on the 818. FFRs site works great without all the drama of the other one. This site is very heavy on threads for the 818 like the other site is for Roadsters.
Mike

As a lurker on the 818 (no time, no space), I agree, there is no reason to have duplication on the 818 here and then repost it there. Roadster wise, the other site is still the place with the heaviest traffic.


Bill S.

[blueafro]

Factory Five launched this forum around the same time as the 818, and this was also the home of the official communications, so it's natural that 818 traffic is predominately here. Nonetheless I would like to encourage those of you who are building 818s to crosspost to FFCars.

It's useful for perspective to have access to more than group's version of groupthink, it's useful to have a fallback community if/when one forum suffers an outage (as all do, sooner or later, and it's frequently shocking how poorly backup recovery works), and it's healthy for some subjects to have a life beyond a forum controlled by the company being discussed (just as it's conversely healthy to interact directly with the company, as we can here).

An observation I've had since Usenet days is that us vs. them attitudes have never improved online communications, community, and information sharing. If there were a dozen sites discussing the 818, I think everyone would see it as well past the point of diminishing returns, but two? I think that's more like the Internet's way of keeping backups.

[THE ITALIAN]

An observation I've had since Usenet days is that us vs. them attitudes have never improved online communications, community, and information sharing. If there were a dozen sites discussing the 818, I think everyone would see it as well past the point of diminishing returns, but two? I think that's more like the Internet's way of keeping backups.

I like your perspective and I would like more involvement in the 818 on the other site.
mrmustang has a point though, just like FFcars is the roadster site (this will never change, to much info avail), this will be the 818 site. I think with "the SUBI" guys here from the others, like NASIOC, your contributions give connections and ideas that would never be on FFcars AND us older guys some familiarity.

[RMB]

FFCars has been around for 10+ years, so that's where the roadster guys are use to going. I built mine in 2003, and that was the only site that existed to get help/information. As others stated, this site came online about the same time as the 818 announcement. I think the 818 brought in a lot of new blood, so they started coming straight to the source, here. Even though I built my car 10 years ago, I still frequent ffcars because it's comfortable, I recognize the users, and there is tons of great information over there. If I want info on the 818, then I'm over here.

Rob

[Xusia]

I have nothing against any other site, but I don't plan to double post (except for my Google+ project page). Everything I need for the 818 is here, and so for this project here is where I'll stay. I also don't see the value in spreading the information around - it only makes it harder to find.

[D2W]

FFR posts on the other site whenever they have something important happening like the recent post on SEMA. Anyone who has an interest can come here to find out more. The ones who are interested have come, the others have no interest in the new design, its as simple as that.