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FFSpecRacer
10-13-2013, 02:44 PM
Most of you have heard the rumors that we may switch to the new TOYO RR tire for the 2014 season. After a successful year for the tire in three series (SM, 944Spec, and Spec E30), Toyo is ready to go into production with our 255/40ZR17 size. However, NASA is not yet prepared to announce that this will be our spec tire for next season. We do anticipate an announcement, one way or the other, by the end of October.

The tire is currently undergoing a couple of testing phases to ensure it will perform as well as the other sizes have. This past weekend, at Putnam Park, NASA had me test set. I'd like to share my impressions of the new tire with you and hopefully alleviate any concerns that a change of this nature usually raise.

Putnam Park is a home track for me and I have thousands of laps there. I ran my best lap ever on the new RR by a full second and many other laps that were below my previous best. While this is true, I am not ready to say that the RR is a faster tire than the RA-1 but rather that the new characteristics of the tires can yield faster times. Let me explain what I mean.

The RR has a new sidewall construction that is stiffer. This was immediately noticeable on the track at corner turn in. Turn in was crisp and the car responded immediately. Mid-corner, the car felt very stable and didn't have that "squirmy" feeling. This new sidewall construction was also apparent off the track when examining the tires. The tires were not "worn" over the shoulders like we are used to seeing on the RA-1. I attribute this to a good portion of the time gain. The other area of time gain came from being able to get back on the power, mid-corner and off, sooner and more aggressively. This probably came from the mid-corner stability of this tire and maximized contact patch.

All of us at some point over the past two season have struggled with the car wanting to push since we added the swaybar. I think this tire will definitely help with that in combination with the swaybar.

Putnam is notoriously hard on tires, especially the left rear. I have ruined an RA-1 in a single day of running. So I kept a close eye on the RR after each session and was pleasantly surprised by what I was seeing. At this point I can only speculate but I wonder if the minimal wear is due to not sliding the tire around so much and rolling it over on the shoulder.

I found that the tire temps and pressures fell in line with what we have become used to with the RA-1's. You can get them too hot, but backing off will bring them back. In a lot of ways they a comparable to the RA-1's but definitely have advantages. Should NASA decide to make these our spec tire moving forward, I am sure you will find them a positive step forward.

mhoward1
10-13-2013, 04:37 PM
I like the idea of this tire, and if it really is comparable to the R6, it will allow a competitive run in some of the ST classes without the need for a separate tire.

philstireservice
11-01-2013, 01:02 PM
The RR is definitely going to "up the fun factor" over the RA-1 for most drivers. The RR has a smaller slip angle which means it doesn't have that predictable slide that the RA-1 had. When you turn the wheel the tire will react immediately. With that said the braking will also improve. The SM and E30 drivers are seeing somewhere between 15-20 competitive heat cycles. The RR's do not get faster as they wear like the RA-1's did, but the fall off is very gradual unlike Hoosiers which have a very drastic fall off. All in all Toyo has done a terrific job with the RR in regards to a competitive and reliable race tire. The 255/40R17 RR should become available around the end of November early December.

mhoward1
11-01-2013, 04:00 PM
What other sizes are coming soon? Any chance we can get back to 275's like we had with the Kuhmos?

philstireservice
11-03-2013, 01:53 PM
In 17" -

235/40R17
255/40R17
275/40R17

mhoward1
11-04-2013, 09:59 AM
I'd like to see a return to 275/40R17. It will make us a bit more competitive in ST2/3 in case there aren't any FFRC cars to race against.

FFRSpec72
11-13-2013, 11:20 PM
Any news on the RRs as I need new tires for next season ????

FFSpecRacer
11-14-2013, 08:45 AM
Not yet............ We're hoping NASA lets us know by the end the month.

mhoward1
11-25-2013, 08:22 PM
looks like it's official.

http://www.nasaproracing.com/2013/11/nasa-announces-rr-allowance-fo.html

Now the question is what size.

G_Lemke
12-02-2013, 01:43 AM
Looks like we need a little work on the Marketing side?

Factor Five Challenge ??


From:
NAPA VALLEY, CALIFORNIA - The National Auto Sport Association (NASA) is pleased to announce that beginning February 1st of the 2014 season, the American Iron, Camaro Mustang Challenge, Honda Challenge, Factor Five Challenge, and 986 Spec classes will transition over to running on the Toyo® Proxes® RR tire during dry weather competition.

mhoward1
12-05-2013, 09:40 AM
Available sizes look good:

15 205/50ZR15 - BSW 255000
15 225/50ZR15 - BSW 255080
17 235/40ZR17 - BSW 255120
17 255/40ZR17 - BSW 255110
17 275/40ZR17 - BSW 255100
18 P275/35ZR18 87 BSW 255070

275/40ZR17 seems a perfect fit for us. goves us a wider patch to match the new power, but at the same time keeps us at 275 for a points bonus for the ST classes.

IEMRacing
12-10-2013, 12:22 AM
Could this be the return of the Challenge Series on the West Coast..........

I hope so