33 Machine electric 818e build- Sold! Headed to China! [Archive] - Page 2

ehansen007

03-31-2014, 09:59 AM

Did some more work today. Mounted the amp on a swing plate so could get to the gains when needed.

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/FF04BDB3-F360-4F46-B8F5-EAA90285DEDE_zpsclrqurlt.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/FF04BDB3-F360-4F46-B8F5-EAA90285DEDE_zpsclrqurlt.jpg.html)

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/BDFCD32A-31B2-4C27-98DE-A5D7D344F40A_zpslumxnczc.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/BDFCD32A-31B2-4C27-98DE-A5D7D344F40A_zpslumxnczc.jpg.html)

Then installed my air vents.

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/EF5A7588-3941-4540-BC59-ABA9C63AF0F6_zpsuukovu7o.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/EF5A7588-3941-4540-BC59-ABA9C63AF0F6_zpsuukovu7o.jpg.html)

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/F1E1D0C9-33B7-46CF-90F2-3EC80029F765_zpsyuafutz8.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/F1E1D0C9-33B7-46CF-90F2-3EC80029F765_zpsyuafutz8.jpg.html)

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/74D2E5A6-64A8-46F2-9581-3FF262C102FE_zpsocibuiep.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/74D2E5A6-64A8-46F2-9581-3FF262C102FE_zpsocibuiep.jpg.html)

07FIREBLADE

03-31-2014, 11:44 AM

Looking good what are you going to run for air?

ehansen007

03-31-2014, 03:07 PM

Probably some large tubage to the front and some electric fans. I doubt I'll ever do a heater since they draw a lot of amps. We'll see. Right now, it's just for show.

metalmaker12

03-31-2014, 06:01 PM

Probably some large tubage to the front and some electric fans. I doubt I'll ever do a heater since they draw a lot of amps. We'll see. Right now, it's just for show.

Like the vents, we're did you get them ?? Can you send me the link

Bob_n_Cincy

03-31-2014, 06:06 PM

Erik,
Did you get you brakes working?
Love the dash.
Bob

ehansen007

03-31-2014, 06:12 PM

Hey dudes, I got the vents off of ebay. They're from an Audi TT! And yes Bob, due to the hole in my head, I forgot to drill the hole in the pedal! They work pretty well now. Amazing how much difference that made.

TahoeTim

03-31-2014, 06:20 PM

google marine inline fans - I used a couple of them in my airplane. The rule brand is also on Amazon.

ehansen007

03-31-2014, 06:45 PM

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/962BA8AA-A658-46DF-84DD-D614B4238094_zpsdye40y43.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/962BA8AA-A658-46DF-84DD-D614B4238094_zpsdye40y43.jpg.html)

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/A0D8BC7C-659C-4759-80D9-3DDC2268C5AB_zpsje6hsgc3.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/A0D8BC7C-659C-4759-80D9-3DDC2268C5AB_zpsje6hsgc3.jpg.html)

ehansen007

03-31-2014, 07:50 PM

google marine inline fans - I used a couple of them in my airplane. The rule brand is also on Amazon.
And you were able to take off?? Wow. They must be amazing!

27489

TahoeTim

03-31-2014, 08:32 PM

ha ha

With a clear bubble canopy (low wing), I fry pretty quick sitting on the tarmack. Then, once in the air, it gets cold real quick so I shut it off.

27491

Evan78

04-25-2014, 04:28 PM

I'll be putting the body on my car right after the HB show in two weeks. I'm looking for anyone to come out and help me shoot video so we can put all this great info from Wayne, Aloha, Frank, Erik etc on film to great increase the success of body installs for all builders. I did this with the doors on the 33 a while back and got some good input from builders. Pictures are word a thousand words but a video will save a million questions!Hey Erik, I'd love to be present to lend a hand or hold a camera when you mount the body. What's the schedule?

Jvalgardson

04-26-2014, 01:12 AM

All I can say is wow. Looking forward to seeing and hearing about the finished product!

ehansen007

04-27-2014, 11:20 AM

What a fun show yesterday at HB. Big thanks to Dave Smith, Sally and Ariana (Ariana was awsome sitting in on drums with the Nomads) Tony, Honey Badger, Deffenbach, the Wookie, Mesa Mike, Karen, and Jim! It's been a great year since the the last one thanks to Factory Five. And I appreciate the award. You guys have been a huge influence and it means a lot!

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/EE6B2F3A-7F50-4BD0-8313-8DDBD7B3384C_zpsfvfjicq4.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/EE6B2F3A-7F50-4BD0-8313-8DDBD7B3384C_zpsfvfjicq4.jpg.html)

Mechie3

04-27-2014, 11:27 AM

Congrats !

Westview

04-27-2014, 11:37 AM

Congratulations, well deserved!!

Bob_n_Cincy

04-27-2014, 11:52 AM

Great Job Erik. I love the drifting video also. I wonder if mine will do that without gearing.
Bob

WIS89

04-27-2014, 12:43 PM

Erik-

Congratulations on the award. However, an even heartier congratulations on your build! I have enjoyed following along.

I can't wait to see how the build continues, and see her go.

Good luck with the rest of the build.

Regards,

Steve

esff32

04-27-2014, 01:21 PM

Congratulations Erik, it was awesome seeing your car in person. Good talking to you.

Evan

wallace18

04-27-2014, 02:14 PM

Congrats man. Nice rod.

Frank818

04-27-2014, 04:28 PM

Good job on the price!!
We all knew you'd make it official. :)

ehansen007

04-27-2014, 09:39 PM

Thanks guys! Here's me and the man. http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/72F4C40A-C0A4-44F3-AB21-1115FF3CE452_zpsy5wwmrdp.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/72F4C40A-C0A4-44F3-AB21-1115FF3CE452_zpsy5wwmrdp.jpg.html)

svanlare

04-28-2014, 08:58 AM

Congrats, it was great to see the car and the award is well deserved.

Rodster

04-28-2014, 10:09 AM

Erik -
It was great to see you and your Electric 818 at HB. And congrats on that award!

Here's something electrification folks might be interested in seeing. Don "Big Daddy" Garlits is testing an electric dragster - here's a link:

http://gas2.org/2014/04/25/big-daddy-don-garlits-begins-electric-dragster-testing-next-week/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+IM-gas2+%28Gas+2.0%29

-wayne

wleehendrick

04-28-2014, 10:39 AM

Congrats, Erik. Good to see you again, and let me know when you plan the body work. I'll try to drive up to lend a hand if I can (and if you need it).

Speedy G

04-28-2014, 04:45 PM

I knew this thread was good. In fact it was so good you got me building an 818e as well. The way you explained it, it makes it look easier than building a regular 818s. I'm definitely going to be using a lot of the info on this thread, THANKS!!!

ehansen007

04-28-2014, 06:24 PM

I'm giving the followers of this thread a first peak at our article that posted today.

HEADLINES:

http://green.autoblog.com/2014/04/28/factory-five-racing-818-ev-battery-powered-electric/

http://gas2.org/2014/04/28/video-electric-factory-five-818-makes-much-sense/

Speedy G

04-28-2014, 09:15 PM

I dig the video with smoke coming off the front tires during braking and it looks like there's enough torque to spin the tires coming out of the turns! Awesome!

fitn in

05-04-2014, 10:47 AM

Loved seeing the car in HB! Wish I could have talked to you myself, but you were constantly pulled and pushed by other visitors. Looks very well done and integrated. Video is great! Can't wait to see it all finished!

garyr78

05-10-2014, 07:31 PM

Regarding your battery boxes, did you build them before or after you received your batteries? Just curious if one can use the battery dimensions as gospel when designing the battery boxes or if one actually needs the batteries to do an accurate job.

Thanks,
Gary

ehansen007

05-19-2014, 02:37 PM

Finally back in action after a surgery so I worked on the body all day Sunday. Brando came by and gave me a hand and brought his R with him! It's great to have a reference for the body work and fitment. Funny how my car is so much different since it's one of the first ones. We got the back deck done and I can't believe that after shortening the shifter arm, and grinding off part of the bracket the shifter still hits the back of the car. Something very wrong with that design but it appears they may have fixed it on Brando's car since our rear ends are the same design. The front was a lot of work with the headlights being aftermarket. Lots of cutting and dremeling there. Coming along though. Not to excited to get to the doors at it looks like they are kind of short in the door openings. We'll see. Everything is where the manual says it needs to be though so hopefully it will work out

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/481BB25B-C813-4E68-ABCF-DE1C9ACB9699_zpsaewwzvvw.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/481BB25B-C813-4E68-ABCF-DE1C9ACB9699_zpsaewwzvvw.jpg.html)

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/87A87DA0-2A7A-4DB3-94AE-23E2F8CF260B_zpsndigfrbg.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/87A87DA0-2A7A-4DB3-94AE-23E2F8CF260B_zpsndigfrbg.jpg.html)

David Hodgkins

05-19-2014, 04:49 PM

Erik,

An exciting part of the build is starting! Brandon is a great guy and I'm sure you two builders hit it right off. Good luck with the next steps and if you need someone to help I'll be sure to help you find somebody!! :D

longislandwrx

05-20-2014, 06:56 AM

Great progress... doors are overrated.

ehansen007

05-21-2014, 12:15 PM

Haha. Yes, and typically the hardest part of a build. These are already rolled so you can't really trim the front or back so I'm optimistic.

For you guys out there, I installed one of my favorite mods today thanks to Evan Siefke who is one of my 33 customers. He showed me these little guys in action at the HB show. At $25 a piece the are so worth it if you've ever used hood pins and looked around for an hour in your garage or someone else's garage for your cotter pins (Brando). Cleaner, easier, and quicker, I encourage this as invesment to all 818 builders. They are the Quik Latch Mini and can be found here:

http://www.jegs.com/p/Quik-Latch/Quik-Latch-Mini-Multi-Purpose-Quick-Release-Fasteners/1447433/10002/-1

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/B57CF8CD-B781-45F4-981A-6BD576B4B72E_zpsh41coszg.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/B57CF8CD-B781-45F4-981A-6BD576B4B72E_zpsh41coszg.jpg.html)

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/5DCD4EF6-9671-4178-8B28-17B3CBDC6B42_zpseqlyr1ul.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/5DCD4EF6-9671-4178-8B28-17B3CBDC6B42_zpseqlyr1ul.jpg.html)

Brando

05-21-2014, 01:03 PM

if you've ever used hood pins and looked around for an hour in your garage or someone else's garage for your cotter pins (Brando)

an hour? I found them in 45 minutes flat

Those Quik Latch Mini's look so clean. Its too late for me now, I am stuck loosing my pins on a regular basis. I know who to ask for replacements though!

longislandwrx

05-21-2014, 01:15 PM

HAH, I always had a carabineer on my keychain and immediately snapped them in whenever I took them off my Vega, it also prevented me from driving off with them uninstalled because they were hard to miss when it was time to start the car.

These look great.

Triathletedave

05-21-2014, 01:28 PM

ehansen007

05-21-2014, 06:36 PM

I'm thinking 10 if you go by the manual although I'm going to try to hinge the front so I only need two there. So 8 for me. Here's the rear. I welded one nut into a spacer and welded that to the frame. Still need to paint.

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/DA61BC5A-F9D5-424D-A350-8B650C3AF050_zpsoxe3vurl.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/DA61BC5A-F9D5-424D-A350-8B650C3AF050_zpsoxe3vurl.jpg.html)

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/EEFD3D7F-B6BD-4837-800E-F36AEDAB5885_zpssj7tmbn1.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/EEFD3D7F-B6BD-4837-800E-F36AEDAB5885_zpssj7tmbn1.jpg.html)

esff32

05-21-2014, 07:13 PM

Nice job Erik, they look great. It was cool seeing your car in person at the show, very impressive.

Triathletedave

05-21-2014, 07:46 PM

Your solution certainly looks good! I'll be hitting up the supplier for 10 units I think! Thanks!

ehansen007

05-22-2014, 11:22 AM

I think my only problem will be guys that say "Hey, what's this button do?" ;)

Seriously though, now that I've got that cover down and secure the gap at the trunk at the rear is RIDICULOUS. I know most have had to fix this but man, I can't believe it's that huge. Must be 3/8-1/2" and that's with a 1/8 gap on the front edge! Question is, do I pull the top of the backend inward or fill it or cover it somehow with the spoiler?

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/A57A213D-6231-4287-BB4B-50DE4A9AA6B1_zpspzwvkve9.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/A57A213D-6231-4287-BB4B-50DE4A9AA6B1_zpspzwvkve9.jpg.html)

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/51C678E4-514E-4BD3-A190-EC2EE78061DE_zps4b8dbvds.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/51C678E4-514E-4BD3-A190-EC2EE78061DE_zps4b8dbvds.jpg.html)

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/D6F06767-8447-4ECA-91C2-B53972FB49FB_zps7zhrpc0r.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/D6F06767-8447-4ECA-91C2-B53972FB49FB_zps7zhrpc0r.jpg.html)

ehansen007

05-22-2014, 01:29 PM

Okay so I was just on with Treves and we brought up the idea of mounting the spoiler to the trunk and having the latch on the back side. Turns out this might work better for me as I'm not looking for as much spoiled air/downforce. It covers the gap and looks pretty good. I just flipped it over and it fits! Anyone else try this?

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/4F98DD39-B985-4039-84C0-87C9900A2333_zps7xjlvj6m.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/4F98DD39-B985-4039-84C0-87C9900A2333_zps7xjlvj6m.jpg.html)

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/0AFF9884-12DC-4184-9575-4BD697F56AD7_zpsrfmo2yma.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/0AFF9884-12DC-4184-9575-4BD697F56AD7_zpsrfmo2yma.jpg.html)

RM1SepEx

05-22-2014, 02:10 PM

[QUOTE=ehansen007;154568]

Seriously though, now that I've got that cover down and secure the gap at the trunk at the rear is RIDICULOUS. I know most have had to fix this but man, I can't believe it's that huge. Must be 3/8-1/2" and that's with a 1/8 gap on the front edge! Question is, do I pull the top of the backend inward or fill it or cover it somehow with the spoiler?

I had to slide the sides relative to each other as Wayne described. Then by making the trunk bow up (as Aloha818S did) I'm able to get consistent gaps. I noticed that one of your fenders isn't quite finished at the far rear end... how do you plan on repairing it? Since I want to attempt no paint I need to do a cobo epoxy fill with gel coat over it. You can't just build up gelcoat. Are you going to go with essentially no gaps on the fender to engine cover as shown?

WIS89

05-22-2014, 02:23 PM

Erik

Brando

05-22-2014, 02:28 PM

WIS89. Don't post any more. Your at 818

C.Plavan

05-22-2014, 03:44 PM

Looking good- FYI- they do make elongated Mini Latch studs. They make them 4" long. For other builds, you may not need a spacer if you can find and buy them.

29391

ehansen007

05-22-2014, 08:15 PM

I worked on it a little more and widened the fenders a bit and got the gap a little smaller. As for the longer studs, yes that would be good however you still have that larger diameter hole in the bracket to deal with. This is more solid and welding is more funner!!

C.Plavan

05-22-2014, 08:28 PM

Welding is always more Funner! Haha

ehansen007

05-26-2014, 10:41 PM

Lots of work on the body this holiday weekend. For the headlights and nose I managed to get everything lined up but the spyder lights took a lot more work. I used the "D" gasket to fill the lower gap and I like it. I took down most of the mold slag on the edges and at some points I was down to the fiberglass whic sucks but I'll patch it. I put the rear tunk hatch on as well which was sooouch easier than the. 33!! Still a huge gap at the back though. Still working on that. Looking pretty good and I'll be putting the quik latches on the trunk and then starting the doors.

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/300EE489-39E6-4D85-BCA4-4681BBCE4A0F_zps8d1vvccc.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/300EE489-39E6-4D85-BCA4-4681BBCE4A0F_zps8d1vvccc.jpg.html)

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/390AF5EB-83CC-4EFB-9BA7-A2D504AF604A_zpsplj9bsmb.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/390AF5EB-83CC-4EFB-9BA7-A2D504AF604A_zpsplj9bsmb.jpg.html)

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/D45C0CE1-BA4C-4EBA-A2C9-7C07621C6E04_zpsdmgh7qb2.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/D45C0CE1-BA4C-4EBA-A2C9-7C07621C6E04_zpsdmgh7qb2.jpg.html)

ehansen007

06-08-2014, 01:15 AM

And she's on the road! Or at least the street. I was a bit surprised at how much the ride height changed when I see her down. Hardly any weight in the back from the body but the front had the charger, lights, windshield frame etc and the shocks are pretty soft so I had to adjust the coil overs just to get it level

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/7D428C27-281B-478A-9E81-47F59F21BE86_zpsck5rea3y.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/7D428C27-281B-478A-9E81-47F59F21BE86_zpsck5rea3y.jpg.html)

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/488C7EE2-6118-4EC4-9B44-0425E1B6C9E1_zpso3rnqhan.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/488C7EE2-6118-4EC4-9B44-0425E1B6C9E1_zpso3rnqhan.jpg.html)

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/72C919B9-9603-4733-9DE6-22E3FCB36F1C_zps8vm2sslw.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/72C919B9-9603-4733-9DE6-22E3FCB36F1C_zps8vm2sslw.jpg.html)

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/B0DFD89F-35CB-47FC-B24D-5A87B5A0A762_zpssr97olfl.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/B0DFD89F-35CB-47FC-B24D-5A87B5A0A762_zpssr97olfl.jpg.html)

speedpacer

06-19-2014, 09:16 AM

Hey Eric, I stumbled into these forums after googling for a platform for an electric car. I'm relieved to see that I won't be the guinea pig!

I understand you did something similar with a hot rod? Do you think it would be a practical daily driver?

David Hodgkins

06-19-2014, 09:42 AM

Donnie, I may have inadvertently misled you. Eric built a very nice, "traditional" '33. His 818 is his 1st electric and is very cutting edge. The '33s I posted in your other thread were built by others...

:)

68GT500MAN

06-19-2014, 09:51 AM

Speedpacer, there has been at least one electric 33. It was in the FFR both at SEMA back in 2009. Was painted grey and looked awesome.
Doug

Brando

06-19-2014, 04:31 PM

And she's on the road!

That's great bro! Looking good, Congrats.
So what's next? Splash guards? SB100? Vents? Door skins?

speedpacer

06-20-2014, 09:49 AM

Okay David, I see. I thought the pictures you posted in the other thread were of his 33!

I googled it and it looks like AMP=D was involved with that project, but everything from them is dead since 2010 and I can't find out anything else about the car, except that they spent in the neighborhood of 250k to get the performance they wanted, which is slightly out of my price range. I probably wouldn't be worried about gas prices if I could spend 250k on a car.

I'll keep researching... thanks again!

ehansen007

06-25-2014, 06:56 PM

Wow, it's been a crazy few weeks. I took my dad to Scotland last week and got back Friday. Played some amazing golf courses. Now I'm back trying to finish up the doors so I can get the hood and windshield in. I've got to have it ready by July 20 for the Refuel races at laguna seca. Can't wait.

ehansen007

07-07-2014, 10:48 AM

Getting even closer! I still have not decided what to do on the hood. I want to block off that air intake for the radiator but I also want the hinge it there so it goes up and forward. Any ideas? I think a double hinge would work but I'll have to glass it in.

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/55B591D9-7105-4D75-957D-23BA094645BB_zps3etx3lnw.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/55B591D9-7105-4D75-957D-23BA094645BB_zps3etx3lnw.jpg.html)
Getting the cockpit ready for interior

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/FDC919B5-CE30-49D9-8D74-222D446F1502_zps0s2xdnnr.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/FDC919B5-CE30-49D9-8D74-222D446F1502_zps0s2xdnnr.jpg.html)
I decided to paint in inner glass with truck bed liner. Should deaden it a bit too.

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/052CD442-DD94-4AD8-B556-536EEDCAED3D_zpsxbznvp5d.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/052CD442-DD94-4AD8-B556-536EEDCAED3D_zpsxbznvp5d.jpg.html)
Got the door liners installed and decided to add a bit of Spyker jewelry to the door panels. If I don't like it I'll cover it with CF.

ehansen007

07-14-2014, 03:29 PM

Did a full work weekend on the car to get the under-armor (aluminum) on the car. That is a task. A HUGE thanks to John Tongish for being there both days. Glen Zwicker came by as well. Quality guys both and love working on cars. I coated them with Evercoat undercoat like a lot of other parts. I also decided to see how the Dip would work on the humpty humps. It looks okay and a bit weird since it's so flat and textured and it feels cool. It does however love to attract dust!

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/D187647A-9F3A-42D7-B20B-28F8871B8245_zpsgcwyftpr.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/D187647A-9F3A-42D7-B20B-28F8871B8245_zpsgcwyftpr.jpg.html)

Look Ma! No radiator!

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/FCD65FFE-2F7A-47D7-A00D-6E52CEF04B97_zpsgfoi0fvf.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/FCD65FFE-2F7A-47D7-A00D-6E52CEF04B97_zpsgfoi0fvf.jpg.html)

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/2763D12A-79C3-4E1D-8F9A-4C3469BE56EB_zpsfpxilp40.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/2763D12A-79C3-4E1D-8F9A-4C3469BE56EB_zpsfpxilp40.jpg.html)

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/6686B413-9567-4659-80DE-EED2CC98E94C_zpsbb3nfsl5.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/6686B413-9567-4659-80DE-EED2CC98E94C_zpsbb3nfsl5.jpg.html)

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/0ACBC45D-2F0C-4480-A04A-D11028BC2D1D_zpsa8i6x1rs.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/0ACBC45D-2F0C-4480-A04A-D11028BC2D1D_zpsa8i6x1rs.jpg.html)

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/9DA36397-0989-4FBA-AD8F-FE26FEFC698C_zpswcszk5no.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/9DA36397-0989-4FBA-AD8F-FE26FEFC698C_zpswcszk5no.jpg.html)

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/86AC2524-D06C-4441-BDE2-ED95E234CB0E_zpsloimjmga.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/86AC2524-D06C-4441-BDE2-ED95E234CB0E_zpsloimjmga.jpg.html)

I dropped off the windshield and frame at Jeff Miller's on Friday so I'm excited to see how it comes out.

I'm also doing the hinge setup like a few of you have done for the front hood. We'll see how it comes out!

Brando

07-15-2014, 06:05 PM

Laguna Seca ReFuel TT- this weekend!
Are you ready?

Aero STI

07-16-2014, 08:53 PM

I'm thinking 10 if you go by the manual although I'm going to try to hinge the front so I only need two there. So 8 for me. Here's the rear. I welded one nut into a spacer and welded that to the frame. Still need to paint.

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/DA61BC5A-F9D5-424D-A350-8B650C3AF050_zpsoxe3vurl.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/DA61BC5A-F9D5-424D-A350-8B650C3AF050_zpsoxe3vurl.jpg.html)

Erik, any more info on this spacer material you used? OD? ID? I'm thinking I may take some 1/2" solid rod and just drill and tap for 1/4-20 to match the Quik Latch fastener.

ehansen007

07-17-2014, 11:24 AM

That would work too. That steel can be tough but if you have the means it makes things easier. I can't remember the OD and ID. It's what I had in the garage and I'm pretty sure the ones I did in the back are different than the ones I did in the front!

ehansen007

07-17-2014, 11:26 AM

Laguna Seca ReFuel TT- this weekend!
Are you ready?

Oh yeah! Got the entire car together and the hood latches working and drove it around last night! Need to watch out for driveways with that diffuser on! I'll be taking it off to get it on the trailer for the trip up there for sure.

ehansen007

07-17-2014, 11:29 AM

My take on the hood hinge setup. All done in Aluminum (so much easier to work with for me). Please don't laugh at my glass work. It's my first time.

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/DBE653B9-D053-463F-9BAD-E831BAA4DB6A_zpslt19mich.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/DBE653B9-D053-463F-9BAD-E831BAA4DB6A_zpslt19mich.jpg.html)

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/804E7E6A-DB82-4C91-B3CE-17828EC9459E_zpskwfyxexx.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/804E7E6A-DB82-4C91-B3CE-17828EC9459E_zpskwfyxexx.jpg.html)

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/F7F66C74-4152-43CE-87F4-1B2BAD2C8B62_zpshfhavlbm.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/F7F66C74-4152-43CE-87F4-1B2BAD2C8B62_zpshfhavlbm.jpg.html)

waruaki

07-17-2014, 11:34 AM

RM1SepEx

07-17-2014, 12:28 PM

nice hinges, they look just like mine! :cool:

Bob_n_Cincy

07-17-2014, 12:38 PM

Hi Erik,
Everything looks great.
Will they have recharge facilities on sight?
Good luck.
Bob

wleehendrick

07-17-2014, 01:13 PM

I'll be taking it off to get it on the trailer for the trip up there for sure.

Hey Erik, can't EVWest come up with an adapter to let you use the Telsa SuperCharger stations along I-5? Then you could drive it to Laguna Seca!

metalmaker12

07-17-2014, 03:12 PM

Looking good!

erlihemi

07-17-2014, 08:40 PM

Erik,
Absolutely awesome!! Little scary coming over to 818 land from 33 ville... kinda like discovering cold fusion:) Someday we'll get a real grid built for ya. in the meantime keep the golden pull rope handy and remember that wheel spin should result in a decrease in amps...

ehansen007

07-18-2014, 12:48 AM

On my build I have some gaps between the buckets and the headlights. Some you can't notice and other's not so nice. What type of trim did you add on the edge of the fiberglass to the close the gaps?
31446

Brett

At first I used some of the "D" gasket to close the gap and it worked fine but then I found something better. :)

http://youtu.be/-EkJtGl3g4o

ehansen007

07-18-2014, 01:00 AM

Hi Erik,
Everything looks great.
Will they have recharge facilities on sight?
Good luck.
Bob

Yes they will have 220 in the pits and the campgrounds. No supercharging yet though!!! :). I've taken the car out on a few midnight runs already and it's doing great.

Couple of things: Like Brando, I doesn't like to stay in 5th. To me it seems like the shift linkage does not allow for that long notch you feel when shifting into any gear. Is this a result of the play in the cables? Shifts are not confidence inspiring for sure.

Also, thanks for the design RPsepex
More pics to come.

RM1SepEx

07-18-2014, 06:08 AM

That's what the forum is for, cross polinization makes for a better breed. I did use a couple little bronze bushings, are your hinges just aluminum?

07FIREBLADE

07-18-2014, 06:21 AM

What headlights are those again? Did you get them off ebay or something and will you be able to pass Brake and Light inspection with that DRL strip flashing too? Love the hood hindge idea.

Aero STI

07-18-2014, 07:56 AM

Those headlights look slick. They definitely make the car look more modern.

Do you have any drawings for your front hinge setup or did you just make them on the fly?

Your weld in spacer inspired me to come up with this low buck solution to quik latch pins being a bit short and unstable. It's a 1/2" bolt drilled and tapped to 1/4-20. I did everything on the lathe, but it could be done carefully on a drill press. A relieved tap is necessary to go the whole depth of the bolt.

http://i.imgur.com/YmgAaLvl.jpg

ehansen007

07-18-2014, 10:10 AM

The headlights are Spyder with the DRL LEDs built in but the headlights sit so low the DRLs couldn't be seen. Imagine my DOH! So I found these "switchback" LED strips and Ordered them from Ali express. It took a few weeks but I got them and just silicones them to the outside as a gasket and I have them on T connectors so I can disable them for brake and lamp inspection. My only regret is that I shroud have ordered the 90cm instead of the 60cm. Oh well!

I made the hinges on the fly all out of aluminum and it was a pain taking that hood on and off over and over!! :). Glad that's done.

C.Plavan

07-18-2014, 10:29 AM

ehansen007

07-18-2014, 12:20 PM

Chad, $40 here solves the problem! They have internal switchery already wired in! Besides the singular LEDs are so 2013. These are the future! (for at least another 3 months or so) :)

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/2x-White-Amber-Flexible-Tube-Style-Switchback-Headlight-Headlamp-Strip-Angel-Eye-DRL-Decorative-Light-Dual/1647016778.html

They should hit amazon and ebay shortly as well.

ehansen007

07-18-2014, 12:26 PM

That's what the forum is for, cross polinization makes for a better breed. I did use a couple little bronze bushings, are your hinges just aluminum?

Yes, I believe the mounts are 7075 for more support and I used 6061 for the brackets since they had to bend more. I used 1/2" OD 3/8" ID bronze bushings as well. To square it, I put a 3/8" rod through the body as a guide just as you did. The one thing I'm really pissed about is that as hard as I tried to get that front nose of the hood to match the line on the bumper, it still came out way off. That whole front end is way out of whack from the molds.

ehansen007

07-18-2014, 12:28 PM

Question, how are you guys lining your headlights up? Mine are down and pointed at the center. Don't see any adjustment available. Also, any input on 5th gear? I'm calling FFR on that one.

C.Plavan

07-18-2014, 02:36 PM

Brando

07-18-2014, 05:27 PM

any input on 5th gear?

Aside from shift linkage issues I have been told it could be due to a few different things. Synchros, a mount or shifter bushing, or the nut on the end of the mainshaft has loosened up a bit.
I am opening up my trans and will let you know what was found. It won't be for a few weeks though.

EDIT: Most the people I have found with the same issue online were due to the mainshaft nut coming loose.

http://www.wrxtuners.com/forums/f69/5th-keeps-popping-out-gear-17631/

ehansen007

07-22-2014, 05:00 PM

In getting ready for the track, I secured the hood, painted the underside, and made a wind blocker for the radiator opening. The good news is, I have a Frunk!

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/A7E23819-E601-4727-9B4F-0978862C71E6_zpsdn2dqmgf.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/A7E23819-E601-4727-9B4F-0978862C71E6_zpsdn2dqmgf.jpg.html)

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/5DC25C05-F296-41A7-926C-F0F01E789769_zpsvxwh0hvg.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/5DC25C05-F296-41A7-926C-F0F01E789769_zpsvxwh0hvg.jpg.html)

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/4B55CA30-882E-4721-B9B6-D2AC1134E833_zpsztqhq05b.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/4B55CA30-882E-4721-B9B6-D2AC1134E833_zpsztqhq05b.jpg.html)

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/7103DA3D-6DB5-4C93-8E40-D3297C67A673_zpsu7r4owwk.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/7103DA3D-6DB5-4C93-8E40-D3297C67A673_zpsu7r4owwk.jpg.html)

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/447A4995-DED0-41ED-AE27-B5C013DCBEDA_zpsaetm2twt.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/447A4995-DED0-41ED-AE27-B5C013DCBEDA_zpsaetm2twt.jpg.html)

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/P1060731_zps289852e6.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/P1060731_zps289852e6.jpg.html)

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/87E9AD0C-6F4D-4D43-ABF6-E68B06991A18_zpstd8nb3ev.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/87E9AD0C-6F4D-4D43-ABF6-E68B06991A18_zpstd8nb3ev.jpg.html)

ehansen007

07-22-2014, 05:03 PM

Dead tired....but here she is.. Interior yet to come as I'm expecting some new parts in...

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/P1060733_zps1cd986a4.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/P1060733_zps1cd986a4.jpg.html)

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/A36A2085-63E8-4802-A77F-BE826536839F_zpskwwhkrxq.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/A36A2085-63E8-4802-A77F-BE826536839F_zpskwwhkrxq.jpg.html)

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/P1060736_zpscac65007.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/P1060736_zpscac65007.jpg.html)

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/P1060743_zpsb2ce1283.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/P1060743_zpsb2ce1283.jpg.html)

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/P1060746_zps226fd4d7.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/P1060746_zps226fd4d7.jpg.html)

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/P1060745_zpsde55beca.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/P1060745_zpsde55beca.jpg.html)
http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/P1060738_zpsa107cca1.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/P1060738_zpsa107cca1.jpg.html)

Wayne Presley

07-22-2014, 05:29 PM

Looks ok I guess.... Congrats Erik!

07FIREBLADE

07-22-2014, 05:52 PM

Nice frunk!!! Where did you get the LEDs for your instrument cluster and what data does the iPad display?

GUNS

07-22-2014, 06:17 PM

Dude, well done! I can't wait to see how it does on the track!

Aero STI

07-22-2014, 06:26 PM

Your car looks fantastic. I'm definitely going to need to copy the hood hinge design.

Frank818

07-22-2014, 06:29 PM

Freakin great!!!

ehansen007

07-28-2014, 03:23 PM

I got the LEDS from a local electronics store. They looked like the F1 type and I forgot I had ordered the indicators on the speedo but stayed with them anyway. The Android Tablet isn't displaying anything yet but I'm working on it. It will be mostly for stereo and some battery readout info. Working on registration right now.

wallace18

07-28-2014, 03:27 PM

Very nice job! You should be proud.

esff32

07-28-2014, 03:29 PM

Looks amazing Erik, very cool. Cant wait to hear it…Lol! :rolleyes:

Aloha818

07-28-2014, 10:40 PM

Looks great! Good job! Good luck with the registration process.

Brando

07-28-2014, 11:38 PM

Cant wait to hear it

Nice whip. Heard she purrs like a sewing machine

Speedy G

07-30-2014, 10:04 AM

First of all, awesome!! The whole car came out prrty clean. Maybe you need a little work on the interior but that's it.

Erik, do you have final numbers on the weight of the car at each corner? you posted the weight pre-body. I'm just wondering how much the fiberglass stuff weighs. Is there any part that weighs enough to be made out of carbon fiber for a weight advantage?

Speedy G

ehansen007

07-30-2014, 10:19 AM

Hey speedy, I'm about to do just that if I can get the scales from my friends today. I'm interested to find out as well.

Also I spoke to Jim Schenck yesterday about rear suspension setup and how the rear wheel sits so far back in the fender well. Basically the body is on and it's lined up per the manual so I couldn't have moved the body any further forward. When I look at the suspension setup I can see that the lower trailing arm is fixed and if I shorten the upper link to compensate I'm creating roll steer and also moving the upper later link closer to the spring where it will hit. It doesn't seem like it will work out. Anyone else have this issue? (probably, I've been too busy to read all the posts!) If so how did you fix it?

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/097960d7-515d-42cd-9522-2ad0516e6d8c_zps5898df8a.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/097960d7-515d-42cd-9522-2ad0516e6d8c_zps5898df8a.jpg.html)

RM1SepEx

07-30-2014, 11:07 AM

mine's the same as yours... :( My car is not aligned yet so I'm not sure where they will be when the rear suspension is aligned properly

ehansen007

07-30-2014, 12:21 PM

Yeah, I was afraid of that. What's crazy is that it's an issue with the Hot Rod too (with some people but not all). Check these pics out. The original SEMA car is a bit forward and then the candy red car is back in the well like ours. I'm considering pulling the bottom of the bumper out a bit and see if it helps. I don't like stressing the body like that though.

31942

31943

WIS89

07-30-2014, 03:21 PM

Erik-

Car looks fantastic. I have enjoyed following your build. Thanks for the great build details.

I hope it exceeds your expectations on the track!

Regards,

Steve

myjones

07-30-2014, 05:33 PM

Yeah, I was afraid of that. What's crazy is that it's an issue with the Hot Rod too. .
]
Erik
JS is very touchy about that issue. He says it's not true about the 33.
I tried to have a polite convo with him about the 33 and he got irate, so I just apologized for making him angry and thanked him for his time.
Nice whip
DB

Frank818

07-30-2014, 08:16 PM

the lower trailing arm is fixed

What trailing arms are you using, OEM non-adjustable?

You are the first one I see this misalignment, I don't know if adjustable trailing arms can fix this. Usually if you change the length of one of these multiple arms we have there, it screws up adjustment and you have to move one or more of the others to balance everything out.

ehansen007

07-31-2014, 11:25 AM

Erik
JS is very touchy about that issue. He says it's not true about the 33.
I tried to have a polite convo with him about the 33 and he got irate, so I just apologized for making him angry and thanked him for his time.
Nice whip
DB

Okay, well, I know others as well as Dan Ruth who have worked to get the wheel centered in the fender well. It could just be a preference thing so I may be wrong. It may also be that without the fenders, it looks off but the fender doesn't follow the rear of the car all the way back. Not sure. I just know my was off at recommended setup and ride height.

As for the 818, I'm not the only one, we've got two others mentioned above including a FFR SEMA car that have the same issue. I don't want to buy adjustable trailing arms (if I don't have to) and moving the wheel forward may cause the upper transverse link to hit the springs. I may just need to work it around a little. That's typical with these cars and I was on the phone with FFR we walked through it and came to a similar conclusion. It's a beta kit so I'm okay with these issues. My point was to try and find out how others who have had this situation fixed it or overcame it. Thanks guys.

myjones

07-31-2014, 02:43 PM

Okay, well, I know others as well as Dan Ruth who have worked to get the wheel centered in the fender well. It could just be a preference thing so I may be wrong. It may also be that without the fenders, it looks off but the fender doesn't follow the rear of the car all the way back. Not sure. I just know my was off at recommended setup and ride height.
My point was to try and find out how others who have had this situation fixed it or overcame it. Thanks guys.

Erik
For clarity Mine on the full fender 33 was way off too and I had custom adjustable 4 links made to put it right. I have seen lots of pictures of completed cars that were obviously way off. I was hoping to discuss an updated 33 having that addressed. 33 MK2
On your 818 since it's a BETA, IF it is wrong they will likely improve the components, They do seem to listen to you and that's good for all of us.
I have enjoyed watching your build.
DB
Hemi33

Frank818

07-31-2014, 08:11 PM

It's a beta kit so I'm okay with these issues.

I don't disagree with that. The question is "when did the beta production stop, giving place for real production kits?"

RM1SepEx

08-01-2014, 05:15 AM

I think the correct terminology is early kit, there were no 818 beta builds

Erik what is your serial #? mine is 17 and I'll be tweaking, mine look like your's. I think one issue is the 5/8 measurement for the sides/rear fenders. That measurement is made after riveting an aluminum panel over the frame. When you piece together 8 major 3D body panels to control gaps there is some variability that results, it doesn't take much for the gaps to look "off"

Look at the issues some are having in the front. Between rear bushing mounts that are off, early steering rack mounts being off center, any misalignment of the holes through the brackets can cause you to twist and distort the rubber bushings a bit. It all results in slightly differnt wheel positions.

I think that long term it is the nature of the beast. We would be well served however if FFR could give us some hard and fast measurements so that we could work them while building it up vs after everything is mounted and the body is on casuing us to redo everything.

I've done some browsing on the forum of other FFR models and every model has similar issues. So... many... variables... ;)

metalmaker12

08-01-2014, 05:45 AM

I just centered the quarters and fenders over the wheels the best I could make it all centered and look correct. 32005

ehansen007

08-01-2014, 11:33 AM

I just centered the quarters and fenders over the wheels the best I could make it all centered and look correct. 32005

Yup and it looks good. You can see where the front fender is hanging over a bit in the front though. I felt those lines needed to be matched up and I could work with the back. But I'm finding I can't. It's minor though and I'm not complaining about it. Just trying to find a solution..

RM1: As for the beta reference, you're right; there technically were no betas but make no mistake, we were the betas guys. Maybe call us the "First Builders," I don't know...whatever works. I'm not sure of the first production run but I would have to say the first 30-50 were rolled out while changes were still be made as well as adjustments. Door panels, hood standoffs, poorly filled out fiberglass voids, etc. I was actually very surprised they didn't do betas on these cars and handed them to so many first time builders. It opened them up to a lot scrutiny and from a new demographic that's used to things happening much faster than their current customer base. Let's face it. Subaru guys are younger, more tech savy, and used to getting Amazon packages the day before they ordered it! So patience can be a tough virtue. And you my friend, got one of the roughest kits I've seen. These are the things beta builders deal with and that's okay. It's how apple does things when a new OS comes out because no one dev team can find all of these issues without building and deploying a large amount of products into the field and waiting to hear back... and burn money doing it. So, as I've written before, we are all part of the team, helping them build a new product so take pride in being a "first builder!" I know I do. By the way, I have kit 19E (for electric...NOT) Not sure what the e stands for. :)

Turboguy

08-01-2014, 12:17 PM

At first I used some of the "D" gasket to close the gap and it worked fine but then I found something better. :)

http://youtu.be/-EkJtGl3g4o

Erik-

Do you have some closeup pics of the headlight and DRL strip? I'm curious how it's mounted and the level of finish you can obtain with something like this.

Is the LED strip mounted inside the bucket or is it sitting on the surface?

ehansen007

08-01-2014, 01:07 PM

It just sits on the surface of the headlight on the outside. They actually come with small clamps that you can screw in if you want to mount on the inside. I just figured it closed the gap nicely and filled two purposes.

Aero STI

08-05-2014, 06:19 PM

Erik, any input on this copy of your hood hinge design?

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a300/eqlized_aero/hoodHinge1.png

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a300/eqlized_aero/hoodHinge2.png

Jaime

08-05-2014, 10:20 PM

I'm thinking of doing this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diJsL0tJyxQ

If I add a few more degrees of movement, it should lock open under its own weight.

RM1SepEx

08-05-2014, 10:31 PM

Erik, any input on this copy of your hood hinge design?

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a300/eqlized_aero/hoodHinge1.png

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a300/eqlized_aero/hoodHinge2.png

you have to twist the bracket to make the hinge point vertical, I think there is a photo in my thread, our hinges are the same in theory, I used 1/8 steel, he used 1/4 aluminum (I think) we both used a small brass shoulder bushing

ehansen007

08-06-2014, 08:25 AM

Erik, any input on this copy of your hood hinge design?

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a300/eqlized_aero/hoodHinge1.png

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a300/eqlized_aero/hoodHinge2.png

Thats almost exactly what i did and i wished i would have seen this beforehand. As RM said you have to twist the end as well to compensate for the head light bucket side angle. I also made the hole as far foward as possible so very little of the nose had to duck into the opening. Good luck !

RM1SepEx

08-06-2014, 09:56 AM

good point on the pivot hole location, it needs to be at the very front edge so that the hood pivots around the front edge as much as possible, that design has it so far back that it will bind the hood in the nose's fiberglass as it angles down. It would have been easier if the headlight bucket and hose had vertical edges...

Aero STI

08-06-2014, 09:08 PM

Thanks for the input guys. I added a second pivot hole for the bracket that will get epoxied to the hood. This design uses a pressed in bearing. I'm going to have my friend's machine shop cut and bend everything up. They can bend just about anything, but I'm not sure this will put in the twist.

http://i.imgur.com/1e0Rw8Gl.jpg

I'm using 3/16" 5052 so I think I can add the twist after the fact.

ehansen007

08-14-2014, 04:07 PM

Well, I was surprised that after adding the body, the doors, and most of the sheetmetal the car went from 1700lbs to 2189lbs! More than I thought but it does all add up.

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/648EC286-D303-433E-B79C-8114CECD77CF_zpscysx2vet.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/648EC286-D303-433E-B79C-8114CECD77CF_zpscysx2vet.jpg.html)

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/381E8E08-9B88-478B-B059-BEE0691EB42D_zpst44ap1ti.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/381E8E08-9B88-478B-B059-BEE0691EB42D_zpst44ap1ti.jpg.html)

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/6515CC0E-92FD-40F3-B8C4-B845C8BDEC82_zpsqlompt7p.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/6515CC0E-92FD-40F3-B8C4-B845C8BDEC82_zpsqlompt7p.jpg.html)

I don't know what more I'm going to on the balance side of things to even it out but she feels so good on the street and track (with a bit of bumpsteer). Jim says it will only get better as you get it setup right. I tried to move the rear wheels a bit closer to the center of the wheel well, but the rear upper trailing link just wasn't able to give me much difference. The car is pretty sweet to drive around for sure and handles great. Now it's time to do more work on the interior and possibly some body work.

RM1SepEx

08-14-2014, 04:28 PM

That's pretty good weight distribution Erik!

ehansen007

08-16-2014, 11:46 AM

Well this sucks. Took it out for a nice spin to the car show and now I can't get the thing into reverse. But was having a hard time down shifting from 4 to 3rd and it wouldn't stay in 5th. I've tried everything to get it into reverse. Even manually without the linkage? Think I'll have to crack the case open? I've read everything from reverse check sleeve to bent shifter fork. Ugh.

Aero STI

08-16-2014, 12:11 PM

It might not be a bad idea to pick up a spare 5MT. I plan to get a spare to put an LSD in. I see them in my area regularly listed for $600-$800 in working condition and $100-$300 with broken 2nd or 3rd gear.

Wayne Presley

08-16-2014, 12:36 PM

Erik, your cross weight is off. Enough to be noticeable when driving

Frank818

08-16-2014, 02:40 PM

Erik, your cross weight is off. Enough to be noticeable when driving

What should be an acceptable cross and what's the behavior when it's off?

I do not know anyone with 4 scales like this, I am even unsure I know someone with a 1 scale. Is this a problem for street?

RM1SepEx

08-16-2014, 02:46 PM

http://www.stockcarracing.com/techarticles/scrp_0707_scaling_your_race_car/

Frank818

08-16-2014, 03:01 PM

Well that was very interesting to read. But to me 52% is excellent, just like front 48% and rear 52%. So I am not sure why Wayne says 2% over 50 is off. What is off? Is 1% over 50 off too?

Then if I don't get my car balanced with a $1000 scale set, I might be screwed, if I understand.

Wayne Presley

08-16-2014, 03:11 PM

49.9% is excellent, 50.1% is excellent. You will feel that 2 % on the track or under braking

Frank818

08-16-2014, 04:00 PM

Jesus that's pretty spot on to 50-50.
Well I guess I have to find a way to balance my car. Especially those not doing it like FFR or using a totally different engine.
Tnx Wayne and tnx to Erik as well.

ehansen007

08-16-2014, 05:17 PM

Need to get that tranny fixed first. Then I'll work on the cross weight. :)

JeromeS13

08-18-2014, 08:34 PM

ehansen007

08-18-2014, 08:54 PM

That is SUPER helpful. Thank you. I had a feeling that might be it because I did the same thing some Others did and only filled to the line. I actually thought I put too much in or that some was still left in there after draining it and I emptied it out before the Adams video shoot. That may have been enough the to screw me. Did you just replace the syncros between them? How did you fix? I've rebuilt a T5 a couple of times so I have the tools. Thanks again.

JeromeS13

08-19-2014, 12:46 PM

I ended up buying a transmission from a 2012 WRX.

ehansen007

08-19-2014, 05:48 PM

I may take a crack at redoing this transmission. The rebuild kit is 400 and you end up with something you know is refurbed and not a question mark. It's a lot of work I know but I don't want to go through this again after buying another used tranny. As long as the gears are not thrashed and nothing's bent, it's just syncros, blockers, and bearings!

Speedy G

08-19-2014, 09:44 PM

I'm sure you're not wrong, but how can porsche pull off a 60:40 weight distribution and be known for excellent braking? How do they do that, anybody? I read somewhere something about wheel width having something to do that as well.

49.9% is excellent, 50.1% is excellent. You will feel that 2 % on the track or under braking

Eric, very interesting about the weight of the fibreglass stuff. I wonder how much weight could be saved with carbon fibre panels.

ehansen007

08-19-2014, 10:59 PM

Demons out!!

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/09C0D205-B0BC-471E-A2E8-0A0F2035BEF0_zps5dh1pvgh.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/09C0D205-B0BC-471E-A2E8-0A0F2035BEF0_zps5dh1pvgh.jpg.html)

C.Plavan

08-19-2014, 11:17 PM

I'm sure you're not wrong, but how can porsche pull off a 60:40 weight distribution and be known for excellent braking? How do they do that, anybody? I read somewhere something about wheel width having something to do that as well.

Eric, very interesting about the weight of the fibreglass stuff. I wonder how much weight could be saved with carbon fibre panels.

Wayne was referencing cross weight, not front/rear distribution.

ehansen007

08-19-2014, 11:40 PM

I'm sure you're not wrong, but how can porsche pull off a 60:40 weight distribution and be known for excellent braking? How do they do that, anybody? I read somewhere something about wheel width having something to do that as well.

Eric, very interesting about the weight of the fibreglass stuff. I wonder how much weight could be saved with carbon fibre panels.

I imagine it would be equivalent to stacks of $20's. Many stacks. :cool:

Boog

08-19-2014, 11:53 PM

Its crazy to see the business end of the pressure plate just kind of floating there due to the lack of an ICE. Very cool.

Wayne Presley

08-20-2014, 06:52 AM

I'm sure you're not wrong, but how can porsche pull off a 60:40 weight distribution and be known for excellent braking? How do they do that, anybody? I read somewhere something about wheel width having something to do that as well.

Eric, very interesting about the weight of the fibreglass stuff. I wonder how much weight could be saved with carbon fibre panels.

I was talking about cross weights being as close to 50/50 as possible. And for braking, the Lotus Elise that I race has 35/65 fr/rr bias and routinely outbrake everything with 205/50/16 fr and 225/45/17 rear tires.

ehansen007

08-20-2014, 10:00 AM

Thanks Wayne, how would I change the cross weighting other than moving weight around? Suspension? And remember guys, I'm not sitting in the car either. So that's 185lbs not being accounted for. It would be even more off than that. Still it handles amazing and I'll continue to tune it after I get the important stuff done to make it street legal. Right now I've done a ton of research and can't find anything or anyone that knows what would cause reverse to completely disappear.

Frank818

08-20-2014, 10:16 AM

Changing ride height at each corner will change your cross weight. Must be done after your L-R and F-R distributions are tweaked to your likings.

Boog

08-20-2014, 12:21 PM

Changing ride height at each corner will change your cross weight. Must be done after your L-R and F-R distributions are tweaked to your likings.

Wouldn't that then change the L-R and F-R ratios you just setup?

In the past I've just had a shop setup the chassis for other vehicles, but I would like to take 'full ownership' so to speak. I'm curious about the complete setup order for alignment and the different balancing steps. It seems like adjustment of either will effect the other.

Frank818

08-20-2014, 07:02 PM

It wouldn't change the LR and FR ratios. Now I can't explain why that yet, as I am still learning. :) I'm sure some gurus can take over, otherwise once I find out, I'll let you know.

Frank818

08-20-2014, 07:06 PM

Once static weight percentages are set, work on cross-weight percentages.
You cannot change the left or rear percentages by jacking weight around in the car, although this will change cross-weight.
Changing the ride height at any corner will change the cross-weight percentage.
If you raise the ride height at a given corner (put a turn in or add a round of wedge), the weight on that corner will increase, as will the weight on the diagonally opposite corner. The other two corners will lose weight.
If you lower the ride height at a given corner, that corner will lose weight as will the diagonally opposite corner. The other two corners will gain weight. This will not change the left-side or rear weight percentages.
To add weight to a given corner, raise the ride height at that corner or lower the ride height at an adjacent corner. For example, if your initial setup is 52 percent cross-weight, and you want 50 percent cross-weight, lowering the right front or left rear corner will decrease cross-weight percentage. You could also raise the left front or right rear ride heights to do the same thing.

http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/articles/understanding-corner-weights/

I'm still not sure I follow up 100%.

Boog

08-20-2014, 07:38 PM

Thanks for the link. I've read it in the past but its always a good re-read.

It's easy enough to go with their experience, but I'm still curious as to why adjusting the spring seat at both left hand wheels would not change the right:left ratio.

Jaime

08-20-2014, 07:49 PM

How much would it actually tip the car? If you went nuts on the springs on one side, you might get it to roll by one degree. One degree moves the center of gravity .02 inches sideways for every inch the CG is above (or below) the roll axis. In the most extreme case I can imagine, the CG might be 10 inches above the roll axis, meaning the CG will move 0.2 inches. That will transfer 1.5% of the cars weight to one side, or about 27 pounds. To summarize, you'd need a really top-heavy car with a high CG, and you'd need to adjust the preload to the extreme of one side all the way up and the other side all the way down just to move 30 pounds.

Cross weight is a suspension setup measurement. Static weight distribution is what you guys keep thinking about.

Boog

08-20-2014, 09:32 PM

Wayne Presley

08-20-2014, 09:55 PM

Here's a quick run through on setting up.
1: set the tire pressures (on race cars set it to your hot pressures)
2: set front and rear ride height
3: check corner weights
4: adjust spring collars to get even cross weights
5: recheck ride height
6: align the car
7: recheck corner weights and adjust cross weights if necessary

Example
LF 375 RF 340
LR 610 RR 635
Now if you have exactly the same ride height side to side on the front and rear, then go tighter on the spring perches on the RF and LR evenly. The reason I go up is because the springs tend to settle. But if the LF is a little high, loosen that collar. After you adjust the collars, recheck ride height.

Wayne Presley

08-20-2014, 10:00 PM

Static weight is the R vs L and F vs R. The only way to adjust those once the cross weight is set is to move stuff on the chassis.

Bob_n_Cincy

08-20-2014, 11:09 PM

Hi Wayne,
Thanks for your advice.
If auto crossing and track days 818s. Would you do the balance with equivalent weight in the driver's seat?
Bob

Frank818

08-21-2014, 06:54 AM

5: recheck ride height

Wayne, if you set cross weights with some ride height adjust and then check ride height, the ride height will obviously has changed and there is nothing you can do to adjust it again since it would change the crosses, no?

Wayne Presley

08-21-2014, 07:16 AM

Hi Wayne,
Thanks for your advice.
If auto crossing and track days 818s. Would you do the balance with equivalent weight in the driver's seat?
Bob

On most cars, you will need a suitable CTD to place in the seat to simulate your tail being in the seat. On these exact cars you sit so close to the F to R CG that it doesn't affect the cross much at all. I see as little as .1% with me in vs out.

Wayne, if you set cross weights with some ride height adjust and then check ride height, the ride height will obviously has changed and there is nothing you can do to adjust it again since it would change the crosses, no?
True but typically you are talking about a 1/16" or less ride height difference side to side. I'll take that difference to get even cross weights every time.

Make sure you either have roll off pads to move the car off and on the scales after adjusting the springs or put two layers of trash bags between the tires and scales. Then push down on the front and rear of the car to even out the ride stance. The tires can get side loaded from jacking up and mess with your readings if you don't.

Bob_n_Cincy

08-21-2014, 11:25 AM

On most cars, you will need a suitable CTD to place in the seat to simulate your tail being in the seat.

OK, I'll bite. What is a CTD?
Best I could come up with is " Cheaper Than Dirt"
Bob

Wayne Presley

08-21-2014, 11:46 AM

Crash Test Dummy

wleehendrick

08-21-2014, 12:39 PM

Crash Test Dummy

You have one in your shop? That requires an explanation!

ehansen007

08-22-2014, 06:53 PM

Found the problemo

Loose main shaft nut.

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/11D04741-89F4-47AB-9E42-77AEED3576FD_zpsckt0ar2z.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/11D04741-89F4-47AB-9E42-77AEED3576FD_zpsckt0ar2z.jpg.html)

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/D3800686-75F8-426B-8281-8515CC16B849_zpsablatjoi.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/D3800686-75F8-426B-8281-8515CC16B849_zpsablatjoi.jpg.html)

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/1B9B03C4-1327-4098-82D0-AB9D5CB92FB1_zpsr9v3btrw.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/1B9B03C4-1327-4098-82D0-AB9D5CB92FB1_zpsr9v3btrw.jpg.html)

It jacked the case pretty bad and I'm having a hard time finding just those replacement parts so probably a new tranny.

Bob_n_Cincy

08-22-2014, 07:38 PM

Erik,
That's ugly.
Did you even have that nut loose during transmission modification?
With the electric drive you get buy without 5th and Reverse.
Bob

ehansen007

08-24-2014, 09:52 PM

Nope. Someone didn't do a good job on the last rebuild I guess. Or the torque lossened it. Not sure

Brando

08-24-2014, 10:32 PM

Erik,My 5th has been popping out for the last couple tanks. My hunch was a lose main shaft nut but I didn't realize I would lose my entire transmission from it.
Was 5th popping out prior to you losing reverse? If you had found it sooner could you have saved this transmission by re-tightening the nut?

ehansen007

08-25-2014, 11:14 AM

I think it's all fixable but I've got a bead on one for cheap and I haven't been able to locate the parts and I found some good size chunks of metal (you can see one of them inside the nut there. And yes it would it would not stay in 5th before but at least it went in reverse. I took it to cars and coffee (only to find out it was closed due to the concourse weekend in Monterey) and coming back I chirped it into 2nd and I think that sealed the deal for me. You can see where the shaft retainer partially broke on the case as well.

ehansen007

09-04-2014, 09:09 AM

Well the tranny is back in and the car works great. Took it to cars and coffee where it had quite an audience. Most were just wondering what kind of car it was until they got closer and then realized it was electric. I spent the entire 3 hours answering questions. I eventually had to walk away! :). Got the stereo working and let me just say that if you put them in the lower quarters by the kick steps, cut your holes before installing the sheet metal. It's a tough angle. Yesterday I installed a plexiglass panel to show off the motor. Still not totally sold on it but what's done is done; and I won't have to take off the hatch as much. We put a lot of time into it so I don't mind showing it off a bit.

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/B6C9AF42-8DFB-4FCB-A256-DEE39C5E8B71_zps14my5itn.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/B6C9AF42-8DFB-4FCB-A256-DEE39C5E8B71_zps14my5itn.jpg.html)

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/10D4E006-0008-4E75-A3BD-D10025183223_zpsvvnfomzk.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/10D4E006-0008-4E75-A3BD-D10025183223_zpsvvnfomzk.jpg.html)

wleehendrick

09-04-2014, 11:48 AM

Well the tranny is back in and the car works great. Took it to cars and coffee where it had quite an audience

Awesome, can't wait to take mine to the local one in Carlsbad when it's on the road.

Got the stereo working and let me just say that if you put them in the lower quarters by the kick steps, cut your holes before installing the sheet metal. It's a tough angle.

Can you share a pic? That's where I was think of putting woofers (tweeters will be in the dash), but I've already riveted the kick panels. :(

Yesterday I installed a plexiglass panel to show off the motor. Still not totally sold on it but what's done is done; and I won't have to take off the hatch as much. We put a lot of time into it so I don't mind showing it off a bit.

I like it! You could add a PDLC smart glass film (http://xinology.com:888/Glass-Processing-Equipments-Supplies-Consumables/glass-laminating/PDLC-smart-glass-film/overview/introduction.html), so you can switch between white and clear. :cool:

Mechie3

09-04-2014, 11:57 AM

What's that NRG piece? Looks like a torque damper.

ehansen007

09-04-2014, 12:53 PM

What's that NRG piece? Looks like a torque damper.

Yup, it's a torque damper. Ironically, this isn't where I need the dampening and it could make it too stiff. I think I need it more between the tranny and the motor at the adapter plate. When the the clutch gets let out, the forward momentum of the transmission wants to move the front of the tranny downward and I don't have a motor mount there like you guys do. I'll have to fab up a bumper or rubber mount like the rear of the tranny has.

Lee, my speakers are simply in the small trapezoidal area just like where Erik put his. They work okay and it's a good spot for them. It's a good spot for woofers and it's smart to put the tweeters up high. Mine are coax but have tweeters that can be pivoted upwards towards the drive which works well. They are polk audio. Don't have any pics right now.

Bob_n_Cincy

09-04-2014, 01:08 PM

Yup, it's a torque damper. Ironically, this isn't where I need the dampening and it could make it too stiff. I think I need it more between the tranny and the motor at the adapter plate. When the the clutch gets let out, the forward momentum of the transmission wants to move the front of the tranny downward and I don't have a motor mount there like you guys do. I'll have to fab up a bumper or rubber mount like the rear of the tranny has.

Erik,
Is your motor adaptor plate flexing when you dump the clutch or the car hits a bump?
Bob

ehansen007

09-04-2014, 01:35 PM

Shouldn't be as it's two plates of aluminum but I think I should put a camera on it to see where it might need supporting. It's a lot of torque from zero RPM...

Speedy G

09-11-2014, 09:37 AM

Looks nice! Any idea yet on average range?

ehansen007

09-29-2014, 01:53 PM

So the last few weeks I've been working on getting the car street legal via the SB100 Process. The DMV is just the equalizer of all people in some weird way so it's been a pleasure standing in line even with an appointment lately as my local DMV has been closed for remodeling for almost 8 months now. Oh well. CHP and Brake and Lamp went well enough and it helps to know the process. Brandon got the wrong brake and lamp person (who told him he needed turn signal cancellers!) and so I'm sending him to my guy who doesn't care as long as the essentials work. And, I almost got the wrong CHP guy who wanted wipers and everything else that comes on a new car. Brandon sent me to his guy at another office and he mentioned wipers but said just be aware that you may get a fixit ticket but still passed me and gave me a VIN plate.

Anywho, I got the horn working relatively easily by just using a strip of brass that is bent and keeps contact with the ring on the NRG adapter. Works perfectly! I used a BadBoy horn which has a nice euro tone to it.

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/FD272D5F-8DBE-4473-8AA5-4161CE7DC3DF_zpsy8ggnece.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/FD272D5F-8DBE-4473-8AA5-4161CE7DC3DF_zpsy8ggnece.jpg.html)

Now it's all about body work as I'm considering doing a wrap for the SEMA show. Wish me luck!

Also, some basic observations on driving the car now that I've got about 300 miles on it.

The car is so fun to drive. Handles like a cat and doesn't even feel corners. Range around my town is 50 miles since I have so many hills and I can't keep my foot out of it! It would be 70 easy if I lived in a flat town and drove it conservatively.

The mid section of the car is pretty low. I've had to raise the car as far as I can with the adjuster wrench (while holding the spring collar on the shock which can be tough when it gets tight) and put as much preload to keep it from bottoming out when I put it on the trailer or even take corners with passengers inside the car. The nose is just high enough to get on a trailer but looks kind of strange like it's much higher than the front of the car. The splitter helps with this but then you can't get the jack under the middle of the car to work on it. There is really only one spot to jack the car with even a low profile jack and that's the narrowest section of the body just behind the seat at the frame corner in the back. It would be nice if they could somehow raise the belt line of the car while lowering the fender line so you could still get a nice gap from tire to fender. It would be a lot of work but the middle of the car is just too low. The red show car height looks cool but really doesn't translate to the street as you'd most likely high side on any speed bump. I'd like to put the carbon side skirts on too but don't think I have the clearance. Maybe just for SEMA.

Also, the bump steer kit is a must. I've had the car at three different ride heights and it's pretty bad.

Getting in and out of the car is a challenge and really can't be done gracefully by those over 6ft. It's basically a tricep extension move to push yourself up and out of the car if you have a bucket seat.

Both my floors in the car are oil canned. This pisses me off. Do I really need to cut this out? How have you guys fixed this? I really don't want to have to weld anything but have considered cutting a slit down the middle and stitch welding to shrink it up. Not sure if it would work or not. Happy to hear other suggestions. That bong! you get each time you get in or out of the car is just ridiculous! :)

The windshield is pretty flimsy. They might want to make that a metal frame all the way around so people can use it to help get out of the car. Sure would help!

Also, those LED light strips I ordered from Ali Baba are not bright enough and can't be seen during the day. Considering another alternative.

That's all for now.

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/A66D0F13-2066-4DED-9BBB-1262BDD8952E_zps2ddo2bqv.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/A66D0F13-2066-4DED-9BBB-1262BDD8952E_zps2ddo2bqv.jpg.html)

wleehendrick

09-29-2014, 02:57 PM

Frank818

09-29-2014, 03:39 PM

Wish me luck!

Good luck! :)

ehansen007

09-29-2014, 03:52 PM

Hey Erik, looks good and thanks for posting ll you impressions. Do you have any braking regen? Also, just curious why you need SB100 since that's for SMOG exemption. Since you're a ZEV I wouldn't think you need a SPCNS.

Yes, we do have regen setup for coasting however what I've noticed is that the car is so light that energy recovery is almost moot at 20% regen when going down large hills. It slows the car down more than it can for keeping up speed. What we're planning on doing is putting a switch in the brake line that will give feedback to the controller that will turn up regen based on braking pressure and work only when you're on the brakes. As well we are going put in a switch to turn regen on and off to test and see what the sweetspot is. We're also going to put in a clutch switch that will maintain motor RPM for a perfect shift ala rev matching. So that should be cool. As for the SB100 it's not JUST for California smog exemption. CARB is only part of it. Because this is a kit and has no actual VIN tag it also has to go to CHP and do brake and lamp inspection to get it registered. This is all part of the SB100.

wleehendrick

09-29-2014, 04:28 PM

Good luck setting up the adjustable regen, and getting ready for SEMA. Good to hear about the inspection, I was dreading dealing with the checklist that Brandon got! When the time comes, I may need your inspection contacts, if the local SD ones are sticklers.

From my online research (no personal experience, and could be wrong) I understood that it's possible to register a specialty constructed (i.e home-made or kit car) without SB100/SPCNS; that just gives you the desirable CARB exemption (although the other hoops still have to be jumped through). Since you have no emissions, avoiding it might make for less paperwork, but if you you already have your SPCNS, then it's probably easier to go that route, since everyone at the DMV is used to that process. It should make for a quick visit to the referee, though!

wleehendrick

09-30-2014, 10:35 AM

We're also going to put in a clutch switch that will maintain motor RPM for a perfect shift ala rev matching. So that should be cool.

Erik, are you going to try to implement a blip-shift feature for downshifts like the manual 370Z and Stingray have, or just hold engine RPM until the clutch is let out? Those cars have accelerometers in the shift lever or linkage so the ECU knows what gear the tranny is going into. I expect you might skip shift quite a bit with the electric motor, so in order to properly rev match, you'll need to know which gear will be engaged to raise/lower RPM accordingly. Cool stuff... I'd love to see that working!

wallace18

09-30-2014, 11:20 AM

Just saw the finished car. Wow it looks great. Nice job and super deal on the volts. LOL.

Bob_n_Cincy

09-30-2014, 01:56 PM

Hi Erik,
Be aware that you have a lot more inertia in your electric motor than the EJ has.
So rev matching is a good thing.
Shifting unmatched will put a big spike through the trans if you are using a big clutch.
Can you keep the clutch at OEM?
Bob

Evan78

09-30-2014, 04:45 PM

wleehendrick

09-30-2014, 05:07 PM

I assume that California requires all kit cars ("Specially Constructed Vehicle") to go through the same procedures for safety, frame and parts history, etc. My understanding is that SB100 allows you to elect to have the emissions year set to the year the car is built, the year of the engine, or 1960. Obviously, selecting 1960 gets the most favorable emissions treatment.

Technically, SB100 allows you to chose emissions classification by body style or motor; if the chosen style doesn't resemble a production vehicle, 1960 is assigned by default. Without SB100, you have to meet current year standards (impossible). For an 818, chose body, so you get 1960 (Roadster builders get 1965); if you choose motor, you'll get the year of your donor motor (2002-2007) and have to maintain all the smog equipment and be subject to biannual inspections. In Erik's case, it's all academic since his emissions are zero!

I'm so glad Erik (and others) will be able to improve the odds of success for us So Cal residents when our time comes. Knowing WHO to talk to can be such a huge help.

Absolutely!

ehansen007

09-30-2014, 10:22 PM

A major victory occurred today when I beat the oil canning that was happening on both sides. I basically bought a new torch and went to work heating and cooling the surrounding area to shrink the metal. It worked great.

http://youtu.be/lZ8JZunruRA

ehansen007

10-15-2014, 10:03 AM

Put up a facebook page to show progress to the non-FFR folks.

https://www.facebook.com/818SEMA

Brando

10-15-2014, 12:55 PM

Mechie3

10-15-2014, 01:09 PM

That pop is very annoying. Nothing says cheap like each time you get in a noise that goes "bup-POP!"

flynntuna

10-15-2014, 02:54 PM

Eric, by oil canning are you referring to that nasty pop from the floors sheet metal every time I step in and out of my car? I have been putting 90lb of weight on it for weeks with no luck.
So i just need to torch it? Nice tip.

Dude, congrats on being the first legit street legal 818 in CA.
I am so close. REFS took all sorts of pictures and Sacramento is reviewing the details. I'm waiting for a call any day with the results.

Your going SB100 right, why do they need to go to Sacramento to review anything? Aren't they going to let you register by body style? I thought it would be pretty straight forward. Hope they don't jack you around, best of luck.

Brando

10-15-2014, 04:00 PM

I don't want to Hijack Erics thread, but will briefly say...the guy scanned all my documents, took a bunch of pictures, and told me it's not up to him, its up to Sacramento. He told me because they have not had an 818 go through their system yet, it goes to Sacramento for review. He also noted it being an R might make things more difficult. It will take 1-3 weeks he said. The guy was not cool and had no interest in make life easy for me. Yes I am going by body style SB100, but before I can even get that far it has to pass go.

ehansen007

10-16-2014, 10:52 AM

This is why San Clemente is the place to go. But even more so, you need to find someone who has done it and is familiar with it. But, they have done a bunch of SB100s. Overall, I think it's easier to do it this way because there are fewer guidelines under the SB100 umbrella. My theory is that if you want to register it as a new car, they will be looking for all the items and safety that come with a new car. If you register as Special Construction, the laws are already set for kit cars and they are typically thought of being driven only so many miles per year, and the safety thing is not as stringent. Again, a theory. The last time I did this they had to send my documents to Sacramento for review, this time I got plates at the DMV. I was shockingly surprised. Again, it varies by person so it helps to ask if they have an SB100 specialist to help you. It's worth the wait. But be sure to get an appointment!!!

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/CAE0B276-A00D-4B29-A235-4A0868DD2002_zpsdr2ltelw.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/CAE0B276-A00D-4B29-A235-4A0868DD2002_zpsdr2ltelw.jpg.html)

ehansen007

10-16-2014, 11:07 AM

Okay, back on track. Lots of work on the interior. I should have ordered the carpet kit. I probably used $100 in carpet but two days of cutting and gluing and it's back breaking work. Lots of bars means lots of cutting. Orginally, I had the top of the firewall in leather but it looked out of place as the only piece covered with leather. Now it's onto the dash and door panels. Spent many days thinking about what I'm going to do here and I'm still not settled!

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/CFB00FF8-F654-47E2-8C73-E52E4997D899_zpslhucrc94.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/CFB00FF8-F654-47E2-8C73-E52E4997D899_zpslhucrc94.jpg.html)

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/13719F8F-A844-407E-8748-3045D3B7B70E_zpsf5kgv85w.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/13719F8F-A844-407E-8748-3045D3B7B70E_zpsf5kgv85w.jpg.html)

ehansen007

10-16-2014, 11:16 AM

Also, I was lucky enough to be approached John aka "Sticky" of Sticky Fingers Design (check out his insane work at http://www.stickyfingersdesign.com/)at the Huntington Beach show that wanted to help with a wrap for the car. So, I've partnered with him to do the work and also I've partnered with 3M Graphic solutions to provide the wrap as well! http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/Graphics/3Mgraphics/Applications/Series1080/

34732

wleehendrick

10-16-2014, 12:11 PM

This is why San Clemente is the place to go. But even more so, you need to find someone who has done it and is familiar with it. But, they have done a bunch of SB100s. Overall, I think it's easier to do it this way because there are fewer guidelines under the SB100 umbrella. My theory is that if you want to register it as a new car, they will be looking for all the items and safety that come with a new car. If you register as Special Construction, the laws are already set for kit cars and they are typically thought of being driven only so many miles per year, and the safety thing is not as stringent. Again, a theory. The last time I did this they had to send my documents to Sacramento for review, this time I got plates at the DMV. I was shockingly surprised. Again, it varies by person so it helps to ask if they have an SB100 specialist to help you. It's worth the wait. But be sure to get an appointment!!!

Congrats on the tags, Erik! First 818 plated in CA?

San Clemente's only 30 min north of me, so I'll probably make the drive up through Pendalton when it's my turn.

Brando

10-16-2014, 12:22 PM

Isn't the San Clemente office still closed for construction?

Did you tell them yours was electric? There is a field on their system that must say exempt, how did you get past that part?

ehansen007

10-16-2014, 11:22 PM

Thanks Lee!

San Clemente opened on October 10th.

Wayne Presley

10-17-2014, 12:02 AM

Erik, tick tock, SEMA is just around the corner

ehansen007

10-17-2014, 09:08 AM

Dude, no kidding. It's all I can think about lately. Driving me nuts. :)

ehansen007

11-12-2014, 02:10 PM

Man, was that a Marathon! Getting the car ready for SEMA was as much work as I anticipated however much more stressful due to having it wrapped. I literally finished the car on Halloween Friday but had to pick up the mirrors from Sticky's on at 4 then race back home, load the car and take the kids out trick or treating right away. Then I was up at 4am the next morning to drive it to Vegas. You guys that have the FFR truck pick it up have it easy! :)

A huge thanks to Michael Bream and Matt Hauber (EV WEST) John Tongish, Glen Zwicker, Brandon Showalter, John Boley, Sticky (John), 3M, Tony Zullo, Dan Galoub, Dave Smith, and Sally Bean for helping me throughout this project. It's been amazing

Here are a few pics. I'm trying to figure out how to write about the last year or maybe even three years as part of a short story about Factory Five and this whole experience culminating with SEMA but I'll have to get back to that later. I'm trying to get back to life as normal after an exhausting journey.

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/SEMA/SEMA%202014/DSC00728_zps86ff7889.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/SEMA/SEMA%202014/DSC00728_zps86ff7889.jpg.html)

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/SEMA/SEMA%202014/DSC00730_zpsfa7f18bf.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/SEMA/SEMA%202014/DSC00730_zpsfa7f18bf.jpg.html)

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/SEMA/SEMA%202014/DSC00731_zps5f86fa8b.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/SEMA/SEMA%202014/DSC00731_zps5f86fa8b.jpg.html)

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/SEMA/SEMA%202014/DSC00732_zps3ffc5518.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/SEMA/SEMA%202014/DSC00732_zps3ffc5518.jpg.html)

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/SEMA/SEMA%202014/DSC00736_zps8842ae32.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/SEMA/SEMA%202014/DSC00736_zps8842ae32.jpg.html)

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/SEMA/SEMA%202014/DSC00738_zpsjl7ykrfg.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/SEMA/SEMA%202014/DSC00738_zpsjl7ykrfg.jpg.html)

wleehendrick

11-12-2014, 03:59 PM

Thanks for the extra pix, Erik; looks great. When I first saw it, I thought "didn't Erik say he was going to wrap it?" Then I noticed the satin/pearl effect... very nice.

68GT500MAN

11-12-2014, 04:07 PM

Eric, your build looked amazing and every time I would walk by it there were many people there looking and asking questions. Thanks for doing this build and hosting the Wednesday night cocktail hour.
Doug

Frank818

11-12-2014, 07:41 PM

The bar's pretty high, tough to have one more perfect!

flynntuna

11-12-2014, 09:05 PM

Great job Eric. Looks like the 818 will be an outstanding platform for an electric power plant. Do you have any knowledge wether EV West will be offering a kit to 818 owners to build their own 818e?

ehansen007

11-13-2014, 12:54 AM

It's already on their site! Check it out at www.evwest.com

wleehendrick

11-13-2014, 12:20 PM

It's already on their site! Check it out at www.evwest.com

That's awesome... I hope to see more 818e's; however...

***batteries not included***

flynntuna

11-13-2014, 02:05 PM

Thanks Eric for the heads up. Have you figured out what your range is, the EV website says 60 mi, is that close?

Canadian818

11-15-2014, 09:33 AM

Congrats on sema! Any chance we can get more info on the wrapping process? More specifically, what challenges did the 818 present?

Ironhydroxide

11-18-2014, 09:18 PM

Saw this at sema. Awesome to see such build quality in person.

ehansen007

11-30-2014, 12:51 PM

Thanks Eric for the heads up. Have you figured out what your range is, the EV website says 60 mi, is that close? Yeah but that's the max for me with all the hills around where I live.

As for the wrapping process, the car is not an easy one to wrap with all the recessed ducts and intakes. You need to make sure the body is still pretty good. I was glad that the majority of the panel main areas just needed a quick blocking. They were really flat. It was all the blown out edges and bad corners that needed work. I haven't seen the new bodies but I'm hearing they are much better in this area than the original 20 or so.

ehansen007

11-30-2014, 07:28 PM

Went out and took some pics yesterday. I'm liking the white pearl more and more.

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/P1060854_zpsa9c03560.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/P1060854_zpsa9c03560.jpg.html)

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/P1060832_zps0e615271.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/P1060832_zps0e615271.jpg.html)

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/P1060835_zps50d1500f.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/P1060835_zps50d1500f.jpg.html)

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/P1060839_zps4360fbfa.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/P1060839_zps4360fbfa.jpg.html)

ehansen007

11-30-2014, 07:30 PM

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/P1060840_zps54d52f52.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/P1060840_zps54d52f52.jpg.html)

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/P1060842_zpsf75da6c2.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/P1060842_zpsf75da6c2.jpg.html)

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/P1060845_zps74ceeb62.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/P1060845_zps74ceeb62.jpg.html)

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/DSC00770_zps50f4e8cb.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/DSC00770_zps50f4e8cb.jpg.html)

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/DSC00772_zpsfadcd684.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/DSC00772_zpsfadcd684.jpg.html)

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/DSC00774_zpsa845467d.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/DSC00774_zpsa845467d.jpg.html)

ehansen007

11-30-2014, 07:32 PM

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/DSC00776_zps208b5a34.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/DSC00776_zps208b5a34.jpg.html)

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/DSC00788_zpsa5801a12.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/DSC00788_zpsa5801a12.jpg.html)

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/DSC00800_zps6b2e6b14.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/DSC00800_zps6b2e6b14.jpg.html)

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/DSC00801_zps7c1ef90d.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/DSC00801_zps7c1ef90d.jpg.html)

metalmaker12

11-30-2014, 07:51 PM

I love white also!!!!, I am almost ready for my second first start and than install my painted white body.

Frank818

11-30-2014, 08:16 PM

I love white also!!!!, I am almost ready for my second first start and than install my painted white body.

Ok that answers my question on your thread I posted 2sec before reading this. lolll

Awesome pix Eric, awesome... I don't like white, but that special pearl white effect is really unique. I think the black humps are a must to the look though. Keeping them white wouldn't be as good, to my opinion.

ehansen007

12-01-2014, 07:26 PM

Yes, my only regret was that the original released car was in red then switched to white gel which was the color I wanted to do! Oh well. The monochrome is very popular right now and it looks great on this car. White also makes the car look larger IMO. Thanks for the kind words.

As for the wrap. It's hard to say if I would do it again. While it was an optimal situation for me and my sponsors, as a solid color, the wrap looks just as good however if you damage it during or after the application, you have to re-wrap the entire section which really sucks. With that said, I still wanted a matte color so that would be pretty much the same since you can't fix matte paint like cleared paint. The good news is it looks perfect and is much more uniform as a matte color which can be harder to spray evenly. :)

svanlare

12-02-2014, 12:48 AM

Outstanding. Turned out very nice and I agree the black humps and black trim on the front hood set it off nicely.

07FIREBLADE

12-02-2014, 02:08 AM

Looks great, where did you get the led strips for your headlights. I remember you saying something originally but I thought they didn't show that well. These look great.

longislandwrx

12-02-2014, 07:17 AM

How's the range been? Is it set up now to use any of the rapid charging stations available?

ehansen007

12-02-2014, 11:14 AM

The LED strips are okay but in full sun light they aren't as strong as open LEDs. I got them from Ali Baba and they came out with longer ones right after I got mine.

BTW, For all of those out there with the stock headlights, I would HIGHLY consider upgrading to the aftermarket ones with projectors like Spyder. The reason is that the projectors and the high beams both have their own adjustments to help with the weird position the buckets put the headlights in.

As for the range, yes, I get around 50 around here with all the hills right now but I have yet to optimize and get the regen braking working which can help. And I can charge at the stations ever since I installed the J-1772 connector which is the standard for the 220 stations. As for the Tesla Rapid Charge, it won't work with my car. My car has an Elcon 5000 which is an onboard charger that is limited to taking 30A only and won't go over that for safety reasons.

Speedy G

12-02-2014, 03:07 PM

Any numbers? 0-60? How's first gear, can you chirp the tires in first if you stomp on it?

Btw, awesome pics, 2 of them are now on rotation on my desktop.

Brando

12-03-2014, 09:01 PM

Great pics. Renaissance? :D

metalmaker12

12-04-2014, 05:55 AM

Great pics. Renaissance? :D

What's up with your ride man?

Brando

12-04-2014, 12:42 PM

Early Riser! I haven't been pushing things as hard this round. The motor should be back in within the next 2 weeks. I'm immediately focusing on finishing registration which is 95% done.
I still need get my oil cooler & swirl tank installed. After that i'm dropping it off at Racepaq in Rancho Santa Margarita to have the pros do the initial setup with their data logging software. I hope to be tuned, broken in and back on a track by Jan. I want to make sure I have proper logging this round just in case..... stuff happens.

ehansen007

12-14-2014, 12:39 PM

Cause it's all about that......

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/0848A7DA-A41B-4358-9675-D627C3B08CF2_zps4k5jpd4l.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/0848A7DA-A41B-4358-9675-D627C3B08CF2_zps4k5jpd4l.jpg.html)

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/B854726A-9812-42A2-9A5C-D96B6BFB6548_zpsl3b04bq9.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/B854726A-9812-42A2-9A5C-D96B6BFB6548_zpsl3b04bq9.jpg.html)

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/26134245-D887-49E4-9476-66E01FB126A0_zpsvi7m4zmo.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/26134245-D887-49E4-9476-66E01FB126A0_zpsvi7m4zmo.jpg.html)

wleehendrick

12-14-2014, 12:58 PM

A sub fits in the dash? Awesome, I never thought of that! I think I know what I'll be doing. I'd almost given up on trying to get some bump in da trunk.

K3LAG

12-14-2014, 01:57 PM

I was thinking of doing something similar with the sub. I was going to go just a little bit smaller though. Nice to see someone else do it first.

Larry

ehansen007

02-10-2015, 10:30 PM

Some funny footage of the 818e cruising around San Diego.

http://youtu.be/8KJr66bDxH8

Brando

02-10-2015, 11:51 PM

Another great video Eric, as always. Today i got a chance to ride in my buddies Tesla 85D. The off the line launch is just unreal, as if the S wasn't enough right? I convinced him to take it out to AutoX on March 7th at el toro. I am running too. Bring your car, but at least come and have 1 run in This 85D its out of hand fast. Lets get together soon. B

wleehendrick

02-11-2015, 01:11 PM

Some funny footage of the 818e cruising around San Diego.

Cool... that's my hood!

http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=38682&d=1423678190

38682

ehansen007

02-24-2015, 05:23 PM

Well, this 818E journey has come to a close. Like the Hot Rod, this car wasn't for sale but someone talked me out of it and was very convincing. This car has been my opus thus far and I couldn't be more proud and thankful of all the people who helped me out along the way. Because it was electric, I got to meet an entirely new segment/demographic during this project and some have become like family to me.

Coincidentally, when I finished the car and was driving it around, I thought that if I could sell it for a profit I probably would. I also thought if someone were to pay that much for it, it would have to be someone overseas,...somewhere like China,...where pollution is so bad and they are still struggling for independence. Well, in January, I got a call from a guy in China who wanted me to build him two so he could sell the idea of building a limited edition to the Government. He needed a prototype of some sort. Enter the 818e. I never would have believed and told myself I wouldn't believe it until it left my driveway on a truck and the money was in the bank. Well, that day was today.

I definitely have mixed emotions for sure. While it had a range limitation, wherever it went, it gained huge attention. It was smooth quiet and quick which made it great to cruise around. I did miss the engine noise and the vibration that's for sure so I'm not sure where that's going to lead me. Probably back to a 302 small block. We'll see.

I think my biggest regret is that I won't have anything to take to the HB show for the first time in 4 years. Maybe I'll ride my bike.

For now, the garage is empty....

for now.

http://i897.photobucket.com/albums/ac177/ehansen007/818/818%20BUILD/FB5C280A-7426-4D25-89EB-5AB80D86DB23_zps0qqf5tkm.jpg (http://s897.photobucket.com/user/ehansen007/media/818/818%20BUILD/FB5C280A-7426-4D25-89EB-5AB80D86DB23_zps0qqf5tkm.jpg.html)