Does anyone have a Gen-I GTM hatch that they aren't planning to use?

[The Stig]

I'd like to buy a Gen-I GTM hatch, if anyone has one that they aren't planning to use. If interested, please send a PM with the price that you you would like for it.

Thanks,

Mike

[LCD Gauges]

Do you mean the trunk (engine) lid, put the release hardware?

[The Stig]

I'm looking for the The fiberglass rear deck/hatch only. I don't need the rear window.

[Cory Brown]

I know of one not being used. I'll check with the owner and see if he will part with it. Should know tomorrow.

[The Stig]

Cool. Thanks Cory.

[The Stig]

Here's what I'm thinking...

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb94/jmichaelbaskin/Miscelleneous%20Pictures/f43005_08_1024_zps18069cc0.jpg (http://s210.photobucket.com/user/jmichaelbaskin/media/Miscelleneous%20Pictures/f43005_08_1024_zps18069cc0.jpg.html)

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb94/jmichaelbaskin/Ferrari-F430-03-1024_zps7a692ed6.jpg (http://s210.photobucket.com/user/jmichaelbaskin/media/Ferrari-F430-03-1024_zps7a692ed6.jpg.html)

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb94/jmichaelbaskin/Miscelleneous%20Pictures/F430__14__zps96267ee5.jpg (http://s210.photobucket.com/user/jmichaelbaskin/media/Miscelleneous%20Pictures/F430__14__zps96267ee5.jpg.html)

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb94/jmichaelbaskin/Ferrari-F430_2005_1600x1200_wallpaper_21_zpsd5650949.jpg (http://s210.photobucket.com/user/jmichaelbaskin/media/Ferrari-F430_2005_1600x1200_wallpaper_21_zpsd5650949.jpg.h tml)

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb94/jmichaelbaskin/Ferrari_F430_Rear_zps004a304b.jpg (http://s210.photobucket.com/user/jmichaelbaskin/media/Ferrari_F430_Rear_zps004a304b.jpg.html)

[fact5racer]

Man, You don't ever want to finish yours do you?

[The Stig]

Man, You don't ever want to finish yours do you?

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb94/jmichaelbaskin/GTMRearHatchVents_zpse5f836a0.jpg (http://s210.photobucket.com/user/jmichaelbaskin/media/GTMRearHatchVents_zpse5f836a0.jpg.html)

Yes Sir! I can't wait to finish it. I figure that I can drive my car with the current hatch on it, until I can get a new one reworked with the side vents. It'll give me something to do when I finish building it. :cool:

[VD2021]

Mike,

I like this.

[fastthings]

Funny you just posted that, I saw you driving it around your track last knight on Top Gear. Micheal Shumacer helped design that car.

[The Stig]

Mike,

I like this.

I like it too, and I think that it helps the heat dissipation issue quite a bit, by allowing the engine bay heat a way to escape, and not be trapped in the upper area of the hatch. Glenn Martin (Mt Airy "Mayberry", NC) did something similar with his car. He created a couple of "vents" in the bodywork next to the upper corners of the hatch that allowed heat to escape.

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb94/jmichaelbaskin/Other%20GTMs/DSC_0202.jpg (http://s210.photobucket.com/user/jmichaelbaskin/media/Other%20GTMs/DSC_0202.jpg.html)

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb94/jmichaelbaskin/Other%20GTMs/DSC_0201.jpg (http://s210.photobucket.com/user/jmichaelbaskin/media/Other%20GTMs/DSC_0201.jpg.html)

The "Ferrari" design is the least "invasive" as far as my build goes. I can work on a 2nd hatch and not have to rework and repaint the entire body. But you can see in these pictures that Glenn had it figured out early on.

Good to hear from you Buddy. Hope all is well.

Mike

[The Stig]

Funny you just posted that, I saw you driving it around your track last knight on Top Gear. Micheal Shumacer helped design that car.

Yep. You've gotta love those Race Driver designed Ferrari's on an airfield race track!

[carbon fiber]

mike, let me know if you need help building the hatch vents. i'd be glad to help if you need it. also, you could switch out the ffr supplied vent material that's in the back of the hatch with something else. the ffr stuff doesn't flow air well at all.

[The Stig]

mike, let me know if you need help building the hatch vents. i'd be glad to help if you need it. also, you could switch out the ffr supplied vent material that's in the back of the hatch with something else. the ffr stuff doesn't flow air well at all.

Buddy, it's like you can read minds! You are definitely on my list of people to talk to about this. I just wanted to see if I could locate a hatch from one of the builders, or if I can get Dave to make one for me. Not sure if that's even possible now, with the new Gen II hatch in production. I'm hoping to hear back from Cory soon.

How are you with heating and shaping poly-carbonate?

Thank you for the offer. I'll be in touch soon.

Mike

[mmaragos]

I like it too. At one time, I thought about a rear window like the F40...that would let a lot of heat out. Not sure about what it lets in...LOL

[carbon fiber]

I've made/shaped poly airplane windows before, using a pre-made mold. we used a heat-proof felt-like cloth with the ends sewn and looped around pieces of 1/2 dowel rod. then put the poly on top of this and hang the whole thing in a large walk in oven. after it was up to temp, you can pick it up by the dowel rods and set directly on the mold. I even know someone here with a walk-in oven. are you going to need to shape the poly? I think the other guys that have made poly hatch windows have made them from a flat piece, saying it was a better fit than the glass that comes with the kit. ( the window that comes with the kit is convex and doesn't fit the body line well) as far as the vents, "trays" could be made that sit under the openings with a 1" (or so) gap, and they would direct water down/back past the engine and still let the hot air escape. pm me when you get ready, and i'll give you my contact info.

[The Stig]

Will do. Sounds like a plan.

Just spoke to Factory Five to see if they had an un-sold hatch, or if they could make a Gen-I. (long-shot)

Should hear back from them, whether they can help or not.

I'll be in touch soon.

Mike

[Cory Brown]

I spoke with the owner and he said he would sell it. He asked what my offer was and I told him to come up with a price. I explained that a forum member was looking for one and that I would also have to ship it. What do you guys think a used hatch should go for? I will send him a text again tomorrow and see what he has come up with.

[The Stig]

I spoke with the owner and he said he would sell it. He asked what my offer was and I told him to come up with a price. I explained that a forum member was looking for one and that I would also have to ship it. What do you guys think a used hatch should go for? I will send him a text again tomorrow and see what he has come up with.

Thank you Cory!

I spoke to Jay at Factory Five, earlier today. He said that they still have the Gen-I mold, and could make a new hatch using the new Gel Coat method.

He said it would take about 10 days to finish current GTM work, and then prep the mold, and make the new hatch.

The price is $325.00 plus shipping: FedEx Frieght. Looking forward to hearing what your friend has to say.

I don't really need a brand new piece, since it's going to be cut and re-formed anyway. So if I can help him out, I'd be happy to.


Thanks,


Mike

[The Stig]

I like it too. At one time, I thought about a rear window like the F40...that would let a lot of heat out. Not sure about what it lets in...LOL

I've thought of doing that as well. It sure lets the heat out. But I didn't want to have to worry so much about washing the car and getting a lot of water in the engine bay. :cool:

That's when I figured that if I do this, it would be something like the Ferrari F430 design that I would want to try to acheive.

[The Stig]

I'm treating this little "Side-Project" the same as I did the replacement of my brake pedals... I can just sit around and talk about how cool it would be, or I can put the ball in motion and commit to it. So... Since I didn't get a response to my PM to Cory about his friend's hatch, I called Factory Five and ordered a GEN-I hatch from Jay. In two weeks it should be ready to ship. So now I'm in the market for a set of Audi R8 vents. They are almost perfect to use on the GTM hatch.

From what I've seen so far, a set of these run into some SERIOUS money, so alternatives may be in order... I may have to make a form, and make a couple of fiberglass vents.
We'll see.

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb94/jmichaelbaskin/IMG_0512_zpsafc11033.jpg (http://s210.photobucket.com/user/jmichaelbaskin/media/IMG_0512_zpsafc11033.jpg.html)

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb94/jmichaelbaskin/IMG_0511_zpsefbd860c.jpg (http://s210.photobucket.com/user/jmichaelbaskin/media/IMG_0511_zpsefbd860c.jpg.html)

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb94/jmichaelbaskin/IMG_0510_zpsdb52df17.jpg (http://s210.photobucket.com/user/jmichaelbaskin/media/IMG_0510_zpsdb52df17.jpg.html)

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb94/jmichaelbaskin/IMG_0507_zpsd0c55fdb.jpg (http://s210.photobucket.com/user/jmichaelbaskin/media/IMG_0507_zpsd0c55fdb.jpg.html)

[VD2021]

Mike,

Cool. The R8 vents where the first thing I thought about when you first posted the idea.

I know it's outside of the scope of your project, but it seams a set if vents/louvers would work well on the body just to to outside and parallel to the glass.

*an additional thought .........I can see a set of Shane's louvers bonded to the underside of a set of finished slots.

[The Stig]

My first thought was to think about working the body, but when I thought about making the rear window/hatch 4 to 5 inches wider, I wasn't sure how that would fit proportionally. Plus I really don't want to mess with the body in terms of fiberglass body and paint... I don't mind working on a second hatch while I finish the rest of the car. If it works out, great. If not, I'm not out a ton of money, and I would not have done anything that would need to corrected (back to original) before I could drive the car. At least in my mind, it seems that it would be a lot less expensive...? :cool:

Another thing that I have in mind is that I can use 3/8" polycarbonate for the rear window, and it should fit much more flush to the body and hatch lines.

At least that's the thought process...


By the way... If there is anyone else that might be thinking of doing something similar, now might be the time since they're pulling out the molds to do this one. The price they quoted me was $360.00 plus tax & shipping. ($110.00 or something like that for shipping).

[Daniel Dinverno]

My first thought was to think about working the body, but when I thought about making the rear window/hatch 4 to 5 inches wider, I wasn't sure how that would fit proportionally. Plus I really don't want to mess with the body in terms of fiberglass body and paint... I don't mind working on a second hatch while I finish the rest of the car. If it works out, great. If not, I'm not out a ton of money, and I would not have done anything that had to be "fixed" before I could drive the car. Did I that it would be a lot less expensive... :cool:

Another thing that I have in mind is that I can use 3/8" polycarbonate for the rear window, and it should fit much more flush to the body and hatch lines.

At least that's the thought process.


By the way... If there is anyone else that might be thinking of doing something similar, now might be the time since they're pulling out the molds to do this one. The price they quoted me was $360.00 plus tax & shipping. ($110.00 or something like that for shipping).

Having seen the photo of th F430, the image stuck with me, and yesturday on the way to work I was folowing behind an Eagle Talon and it hit me that the rear window might work on the GTM with loouvers formed on the left and right.
I think its worth taking a look at.

Dan

[The Stig]

Al Carpenter sent a PM to let me know that he has a rear hatch that is not being used. It has the 3 tier "glass" insert (like the Murcielago). I went outside to take a look, and figure out whether or not it would fit my engine bay: I decided it wouldn't because of the Cold Air Intake runners at the rear of the glass. I was really close to having him ship it down to me. (I probably should have).

Al, I really appreciate the generous offer.

But I had already placed the order with Factory Five, and they are already in the process of prepping the GEN-I molds, so I decided to move ahead with that. Should be ready to be shipped late this week or early next week. Should be an interesting side project.

Mike

[Cory Brown]

Sorry Stig I don't see a pm in my inbox. My friend never got back to me on the hatch and I left town for work again and haven't been on here for awhile.

[The Stig]

No worries Cory.

[Daniel Dinverno]

Sorry Stig I don't see a pm in my inbox. My friend never got back to me on the hatch and I left town for work again and haven't been on here for awhile.
I've seen the hatch.. it pretty much is a stock hatch with a cover made in sheet metal attached to it. You could remove the attachment and be at square one.

Dan

[The Stig]

Thanks guys. Much appreciated. But Factory Five has already started laying up the hatch, and since Gen-I body parts are something that they would sell only once in a blue moon, I don't want to cancel and leave them stuck with it. They've been too good to me to do that to them. It should be ready to ship in a couple of days. (End of this week or early next week).

With that said; I spoke to Jason (Carbon Fiber) this morning. He has offered to help me with the design and fiberglass work. I'm looking forward to working with him. I think we have a good plan to get it started, so I can't wait to start working through this piece.

[Fred Brewer]

Mike,,
You might try a search on 'Bilge Vents' lots out there,,, although the length may be an issue it may be a place to start. They should look something like this:

http://www.backtoboating.com/ProdImages/xl_1495.jpg


You could skip the glass altogther,,, I'm thinking these would breathe pretty well.

http://lsspecialists.com/muira-louvers-1.jpg

[The Stig]

I've always liked the lambo slats. I just don't think I have enough room between the hatch and the cold air intake runners for the support structure that they would require.

And by the way... I thought I had the "World's slowest build"... :cool:

Take care Fred.

Mike

[carbon fiber]

retro miura concept is awful sweet. they did a great job of not messing up the lines of the original.

[The Stig]

I just got notification that the Hatch was shipped from Factory Five, and is on it's way to Thomasville, NC.

So IT's GAME ON for the Side Vent Project!!!

Mike

[carbon fiber]

22574

[The Stig]

I like the F12 flange at the top, but I have an idea that may still work for the sides. I'll get in touch with you as soon as I can. (Wednesday or Thursday).

Thank you for the heads up.

Mike

[The Stig]

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb94/jmichaelbaskin/Ferrari-F430-03-1024_zps1c625f8c.jpg (http://s210.photobucket.com/user/jmichaelbaskin/media/Ferrari-F430-03-1024_zps1c625f8c.jpg.html)

It looks like the "support ridge" that runs down the sides of the hatch, are going to win the battle, (at least for the design that I had in mind). But after talking to Jason and shifting to plan "B".

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb94/jmichaelbaskin/Novitec-Ferrari-F12-berlinetta-N-LARGO-6_zpse9ff4146.jpg (http://s210.photobucket.com/user/jmichaelbaskin/media/Novitec-Ferrari-F12-berlinetta-N-LARGO-6_zpse9ff4146.jpg.html)

Jason had mentioned the use of a vent at the top of the hatch. There is plenty of room in that area, so there shouldn't be any issue with that. We should end up with a sleek look, that gives me the heat vent that I'm looking for. Plus it should still look very cool. Everything will fit nice and flush with the body. Should have something before to long.

[carbon fiber]

i'm glassing in the angles that go down to the glass right now!

[The Stig]

I can't wait to see it. After talking to you about the design change, I felt pretty good about the new direction. It's going to give the rear deck a clean sexy look for the GTM. It will be just as functional as the original design. With the vent(s) at the top, all of the heat can escape and not get trapped in the upper engine bay.

Mike

[RC000E]

Sucks I just saw this...I have three of them...

[The Stig]

Sucks I just saw this...I have three of them...

LOL!!! Thanks anyway.

Mike

[The Stig]

I spoke to Jason two or three days ago, and it sounds like the hatch is coming along well. I can't wait to see the finished product.

I have the car scheduled to have some paint scratches fixed, as soon as I get it back from wiring.

Who knows? It may turn out that I can have the hatch painted at the same time. Then I can get them switched out on the car. While I have the hatch off the car, I'm going to have the hatch hinge pieces powder coated black.

Once the paint is corrected, I'm going to have the final cut and buff done, to bring the paint to a true show finish.

[LCD Gauges]

No sketch, or sneak peek of the progress?! Throw us a little bone please.

[The Stig]

LOL... It's coming. I don't have sketches either. I'm working purely on my trust in Jason's ability to execute our plan. I believe it's going to be really cool. Literaly!

It's going to look cool and also allow all of the trapped heat in the engine bay to dissipate from the top of the engine bay. So it'll be fully functional as well.

Believe me, I'll post pictures as soon as I can. For now, just refer to post #36 and look at the hatch of the Ferrari F12. That's the design inspiration.

Mike

[The Stig]

No sketch, or sneak peek of the progress?! Throw us a little bone please.

Here are a few pictures of the design ...

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb94/jmichaelbaskin/RearHatchReworkimage001_zps34c3e465.jpg (http://s210.photobucket.com/user/jmichaelbaskin/media/RearHatchReworkimage001_zps34c3e465.jpg.html)

You can see the angled edge of the polycarbonate, and how it will fit right up against the angle of the hatch. The aluminum piece in this picture is the same angle as the window edge of the hatch.

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb94/jmichaelbaskin/RearHatchReworkimage003_zpsaf7e83df.jpg (http://s210.photobucket.com/user/jmichaelbaskin/media/RearHatchReworkimage003_zpsaf7e83df.jpg.html)

The pressed wood template at the top of the hatch, will be made of carbon fiber, and will be a cover for vent holes that will be drilled into the top edge of the polycarbonate window. It will fit flush to the body/roof edge, spanning to each side of the window where it fits the beveled angle on the side of the hatch.

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb94/jmichaelbaskin/RearHatchReworkimage005_zps307517a3.jpg (http://s210.photobucket.com/user/jmichaelbaskin/media/RearHatchReworkimage005_zps307517a3.jpg.html)

In this picture, you can see the different layers/levels where the polycarbonate will rest, and where the carbon fiber "cover" will rest.

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb94/jmichaelbaskin/RearHatchReworkimage004_zps0e61cddc.jpg (http://s210.photobucket.com/user/jmichaelbaskin/media/RearHatchReworkimage004_zps0e61cddc.jpg.html)

Jason has left the edges a little long, so they can be trimmed for perfect gaps, and will fit flush against the body edges and lines.

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb94/jmichaelbaskin/RearHatchReworkimage002_zps7725ac4f.jpg (http://s210.photobucket.com/user/jmichaelbaskin/media/RearHatchReworkimage002_zps7725ac4f.jpg.html)

Here you can get a sense of how the polycarbonate window will fit into the lower slots where it will be bonded to the hatch. The top of the window will have holes drilled that will allow the heat to escape from the engine compartment. The carbon fiber cover will span the top of the window, hiding the holes that have been drilled. This will allow heat to escape freely, and still protect the engine bay enough that I can wash the car without soaking the coils and other electrical bits.

Jason Cecil (and Ferrari) is responsible for the design, and I'm all in. As he said earlier today; the early stages of fiber glass work is ugly, but when it's sanded and prepped, it starts to come to life. I'm pretty pumped already. I can see how this will work, and I think it's going to have an over the top look, yet still stay close to the original idea of the GTM design.

We're all going to have to be patient for the next round of pictures. But I'm sure that they'll be worth the wait.

Thanks Jason!

[carbon fiber]

keep in mind too, this is going to be the plug, from which i'll make a mold. that's the reason for the extra width around the perimeter. the actual part will be made from the mold in fiberglass/gelcoat and bonded to the ffr hatch. i'm doing the body filler and block sanding now.

[crash]

Since someone is going to the trouble to make a plug and mold for the hatch, have you also gone to the trouble to fix the gapping issue with the FFR glass window? That would be a great added benefit and take very little extra work to the plug.

Sorry if you already addressed this as I haven't read the entire thread. :)

[carbon fiber]

i'm assuming you're talking about the glass not blending with the body, as far as the convex shape of the glass. the fit and the venting hot air were considerations when redoing it. i'm keeping the top profile low and flat. i'm keeping the outside edges down around the sides and top, so after it's bonded to the hatch it won't be up higher than the body. is that what you meant?23152

[crash]

No. I'm referring to the fact that the "stock" glass interfers with the hatch in the lower corners. I know this for a fact on the Gen Is and I believe that the Gen IIs changed slightly but still have the issue, which usually requires either sanding of the glass, which can cause it to shatter, or cutting out some of the fiberglass in the hatch and reglassing to gap the window properly. Since you are making a plug and a mold, my suggestion was to make this modification to the plug/mold so that your hatch solves this issue as well. I understand that you may not be using the original glass in your creation, but it looks like you could still use it, and if you solved the fitment issue as well it would just be another reason for builders to use your hatch.

[carbon fiber]

the polycarbonate won't be at the outside edges of the hatch like the stock glass is. the edge of the hatch will be in fiberglass, so just sand until you have the right gap and it's level with the body. it'll be slightly oversized all the way around (more on the top and sides) so it can be sanded to fit the car.

[The Stig]

I understand that you may not be using the original glass in your creation, but it looks like you could still use it, and if you solved the fitment issue as well it would just be another reason for builders to use your hatch.

Mike. I intentionally made the decision to use the polycarbonate because I can't stand the hump that the kit glass forces you to endure, as well as not being able to align the glass flush with the body without major re-glassing, filler build up, and block sanding as others have had to do. This entire exercise is a way to create a heat vent for the hatch without having to cut, the body, rework and repaint it. So far, everything is exactly as I had hoped it would be. I couldn't be happier with it!

[The Stig]

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb94/jmichaelbaskin/1107131603-00_zps9600098a.jpg (http://s210.photobucket.com/user/jmichaelbaskin/media/1107131603-00_zps9600098a.jpg.html)

Filler... Sanding... Filler... Sanding... Shaping... Sanding


It's getting there!

M.

[carbon fiber]

mike, you left out a few fills, sands, and shapings!:p i'm working on the inner section now and i'll have some more pics when i get it in primer. then comes the plug for the carbon fiber "blade" that runs across the top, and making the molds. also have to make a prototype polycarbonate that i'll make patterns off the top and bottom of, to get the exact angles on the sides and back to come out right.

[The Stig]

mike, you left out a few fills, sands, and shapings!:p i'm working on the inner section now and i'll have some more pics when i get it in primer. then comes the plug for the carbon fiber "blade" that runs across the top, and making the molds. also have to make a prototype polycarbonate that i'll make patterns off the top and bottom of, to get the exact angles on the sides and back to come out right.

As I said... It's getting there! :cool:

[carbon fiber]

plug is done, some pics. 23470

[The Stig]

Here are the rest of the pics of the plug. There is obviously some trimming that needs to be taken care of, but it's looking great! Making progress. :cool:

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb94/jmichaelbaskin/1118131050-04_zps6ac7ecbd.jpg (http://s210.photobucket.com/user/jmichaelbaskin/media/1118131050-04_zps6ac7ecbd.jpg.html)

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb94/jmichaelbaskin/1118131051-02_zps03c195af.jpg (http://s210.photobucket.com/user/jmichaelbaskin/media/1118131051-02_zps03c195af.jpg.html)

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb94/jmichaelbaskin/1118131112-00_zps17871222.jpg (http://s210.photobucket.com/user/jmichaelbaskin/media/1118131112-00_zps17871222.jpg.html)

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb94/jmichaelbaskin/1118131051-00_zpsce1e6cbb.jpg (http://s210.photobucket.com/user/jmichaelbaskin/media/1118131051-00_zpsce1e6cbb.jpg.html)

[The Stig]

Got a text from Jason today. The plug is finished and painted, and he's ready to lay up the new hatch. Yes... I am excited. Can you tell?

[fastthings]

I am too, can't wait to see what you've dreamed up.

[carbon fiber]

I've got the 2nd plug done and painted. next is making the molds and parts. won't be long now.2394523946

[The Stig]

I've got the 2nd plug done and painted. next is making the molds and parts. won't be long now.2394523946

It's looking good Jason. The grey area above the "louver" cover; is that a form made from the rear of your GTM roof? It matches up perfectly! If that's what it is, I am completely stoked to know that it will finally be fitted to the shape of the roof. (As long as the Gen-I and Gen-II Body sections are the same... And I believe that they are.:cool:

Thanks for your work, talent, and efforts! It's coming together!

Mike

[carbon fiber]

that's a piece of sign plastic. the gray part sticking out is what i didn't cover with fg and body filler. (wider than i needed) I used a template made from the 1st plug where the cf piece meets it to get the exact shape to match to the larger part.

[VD2021]

Guys,

I'm eagerly awaiting the pics of the 1st hatch as I am having trouble visualizing it from the plugs.

C,

Is a Gen2 version in the possible future?

[The Stig]

Guys,

I'm eagerly awaiting the pics of the 1st hatch as I am having trouble visualizing it from the plugs.

C,

Is a Gen2 version in the possible future?

Hi Vidal! How the heck are you?

Apparently I'm not seeing it as I thought either. It's tough to see the vision through the plugs, but I have the obvious advantage of working through the design questions with Jason. I really believe this is going to turn out really nice and sleek, and give me what I'm looking for for heat disipation in the engine bay. I'm also pumped about the fact that it will be flush to the GTM body. The poly-carbonate will fit flush to the hatch. So it will be a well thought out solution that looks like it should have been there all along.

All I can point you toward right now, is the rear window of the Ferrari F-12. Bevelled sides that drop down an inch or so from the top edge and almost flush at the bottom. That's the sourse of the design, and integrated into the GTM design. Jason's doing an awesome job.

Stay tuned Buddy... It's getting closer.

Mike

[carbon fiber]

the plugs are oversized. the larger plug is oversized outside and inside. there will be a 3/4" lip left on the inside where the polycarbonate rests. the outside will be trimmed flush with the edge of the hatch itself. the cf part will be cut from the shape created by the smaller plug. it will fit gen I and gen II cars, as it replaces the glass. maybe these pics will help.