Champ Pans came through!

[oldguy668]

I had two boxes waiting for me when I got home, courtesy of the Big Brown Truck. Champ sent the new pan and pickup along with the old pan and pickup. The old pan was not used as a core. Champ found that they could use their regular 4.6 roadrace pan and pickup if the pan was stretched 1/2" at a specific location.

Old pan and pickup

http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad57/joe_leone/IMG_0581.jpg?t=1300233215

New pan and pickup. It is 2.125" shallower, exactly what we need.

http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad57/joe_leone/IMG_0582.jpg?t=1300233271

Windage tray/gasket assembly with pickup in place

http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad57/joe_leone/IMG_0584.jpg?t=1300233355

This spot is a last-minute bug fix. The pickup tube hit the inside of the pan. I'll spritz a little silver paint on it.

http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad57/joe_leone/IMG_0588.jpg?t=1300233405

And here's the finished product. The only issue is the now-too-long dipstick, but that's an easy fix. Champ also added a bung for the 5.0 oil level sensor and left the standard bung in place for a temp sender.

http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad57/joe_leone/IMG_0587.jpg?t=1300233632

All the coordinating with Champ was done by Richard Oben of North Racecars, and he can fix you right up now that the thing fits.

[David]

Sweet!! Great news and the pan looks awesome!

David

[Richard Oben]

The pan will be available soon exclusively from North Racecars. I need to get the button on the site should be in a couple of days. The good news is we will not need your pick up we have that problem solved. We initially thought about pick up exchange but that makes for a logistics pain and a delay in shipment.

We worked with Joe and Champ to bring this product to life. Thanks to Joe for the help.

This pan just like the 4.6 pan will be THE solution to get the modular engine in an FFR.

The first few pans will not be 'perfect' as we are modifying the existing 4.6 pan. There is a small extension at the rails and the patch for the pick, those will go away later in the production cycle. It will be a few month before we get good core pans that will look better. But unless you run over someone it will never be seen.

The good news is we have a pan that will work. Cheers Richard.



What I need to know is who needs a pan in the next month. I do not want to 1 off Champ so we want to make a run of them. Post here to let me know who needs one.

I will be number one. Richard.

[Someday I Suppose]

Joe / Richard, congrats the pan looks awesome, so cool to see the parts coming to gether for Wily Coyote

[oldguy668]

Richard, the last thing I have to do is shorten the dipstick (it's a 1 on the difficulty scale). Tell me what the capacity of the Champ pan is so I can calibrate the stick.

[JGPierce]

Great job Richard and Joe. Things are coming along nicely.

[JGPierce]

Richard,

You mentioned the 4.6L modular pan. Is this different than what comes with the FFR 4.6L kit? The reason I ask is that I've got a 2010 Mustang 4.6L 3 valve and haven't put the FFR 4.6L pan on yet. I'd like to have an oil temperature sensor bung, but didn't see one on the FFR pan. I don't know if the 4.6L had an oil level sensor.

Thanks.

John

[Richard Oben]

Joe the Champ pan is 8 quarts but you can run 9 if you want to. Some guys have run 10, but 8 is the correct amount.

Before you shorten the dipstick see where it is hitting. In the early days we did not have a relief for the dip stick in the windage tray of the 4.6 pan, you may be able to keep the stock stick, that is what most have done.

JGP, we have been selling a 4.6 pan for years (both SOHC and DOHC). All of our pans come with the bung for oil temp. We have not supplied the bung for the oil level in the standard 4.6 pans. There is some concern that the 5.0 computer needs the unit to run correctly. We can likely add that to the 5.0 cammer pan but need to make sure we have a source for it which I think we already do.

If there are any other questions let me know, Richard.

[oldguy668]

Richard, I'm going to start by adding 8 quarts and seeing where the dipstick reads. That will tell me if it's bottoming or hung up on the tray. I believe it's bottoming on the pan since I had the stick in place and it was through the windage tray.

[OregonDave]

Great job Richard and team. I ordered a Coyote engine last week with good faith that an oil pan solution (and headers) would be ready soon. I should probably wait to get the engine before I order a pan :-) but you'll see an order from me on the production parts.

[Richard Oben]

Joe, is the stick hitting the defoaming tray in the pan, that is my thought. Richard.

[astglenn]

Nice work on that you guys. Great fabrication and design.

[Olli]

Great job on the pan.

Champ makes a quality product. I've used them before and I will use them again.

Olli

[Art Totten]

Richard,

Put me in for a pan for the "Wily Coyote". This will be needed for the M-IV with the new 5.0 32 valve.........right? Let me know how much and I'll get a card number to you.

Best, Art

[David]

Richard, I will need one as well. Decided to go with the champ due to the 8 qt capacity.

David

[ipsale]

I will need one as well. Thanks for all the hard work Joe and Richard!

Rob

[Richard Oben]

That makes 4 right off the bat, sounds great, Richard.

[astglenn]

Can I have one as well? I don't have a Coyote, but it is just really pretty and I lust for it.

[Richard Oben]

Sure Glenn, we can make a Coyote pan for you. Wall art, why not. Richard.

[David]

Can I have one as well? I don't have a Coyote, but it is just really pretty and I lust for it.

Dude, you're killing me :D

David

[ipsale]

Hi Richard,

What do we need to do to get the order placed and get our money to you. Thanks for the info.

Rob

[Cobra 302]

Hey Joe did you have any issues getting the pick up to be the 3/8" from the bottom of the pan?
I had to rework the support braket.

[oldguy668]

I haven't checked that. I know that Champ got a 5.0 pump and they checked all the tolerances. I'll call them Monday and if they have not verified the clearance, I'll pull the pan and check it myself.

[Cobra 302]

When I checked mine I had 1/16" from the bottom of the pick up to pan.
I could never get it even on both side so I settled on 3/8" on one side and 7/16" on the other.

[Richard Oben]

The pick up not sucking to the bottom of the pan is the concern, as well as too far from the bottom as to run dry if the oil is low.

Ipsale, we should have the button on the site soon, hopefully by the end of the weekend. It will take a while to get all the pans done after the button is up and running. So if you are in a rush put the motor in the car with the stock pan. HTH, Richard.

[ipsale]

That's great Richard. I'm not in a huge hurry and the engine is already in. I just wanted to make sure I got you what you needed in the best way for you. Thanks for the reply and I will look for the button. Have a great day.

Rob

[Bama Fanatic]

I know that I will need one and would assume that Rocco will need one as well. If I decide to run 8 quarts will there bbe a recommendation as to the length to trim from the OEM dip stick? I am interested to see what OldGuy and Richard decide on the dip stick clearance. I will go to Champ and see when the button is added.

[oldguy668]

I have to pull the pan to check the pickup clearance, and while I'm at it, I'll verify the dipstick length. The adjustment will be easy since a small roll pin holds the handle on.

[Bama Fanatic]

Thanks. Have you gotten to fashioning your gas pedal? Me and Rocco went with two different versions of the same theme. He cut the center 50% of the pedal arm out and moved the existing foot pad up with the magic of epoxy. I cut the arm off higher and mounted a collar around the ermaining part of the pedal and fashioned the Wilwood food pad on to the end of it. Lots of fab work.

[Richard Oben]

Talked to Joe, he is setting the pick up height correctly now and may have the dipstick thing figured out too. May have to put a different relief in the de foaming tray for it to clear.

That makes 6 plus Glenn. Cheers Richard.

[Cobra 302]

I have to pick up a oil pan dipstick myself.
My dipstick hits the windage tray.
I have to figer out a way to block off the factory hole.

[oldguy668]

I located where the dipstick was hitting the Champ de-foaming tray. All it's going to require is a 3/4" hole in the tray. No need to move the dipstick location. I'll have pictures up tomorrow for the dipstick hole and the pickup clearance.

[snakeboost]

Hey Joe,
Nice oil filter!
Steve

[E-Ticket Ride]

Thanks for all of the trail blazing guys!
Looks like a bonehead like me might even be able to make that work.

(Must finish remodel - must finish remodel - must finish remodel...)

CL

[oldguy668]

Hey Joe,
Nice oil filter!
Steve

Steve, don't forget to mention that it's available in other custom colors besides Schneider National Orange

[oldguy668]

At Champ's (and Richard's) suggestion, I checked the clearance from the bottom of the pan to the pickup and found I was about 1/8" shy of the recommended 3/8". I simply removed the hex-shaped standoff that secures the intake end of the pickup and shortened it by 1/8". It did not seem to put any stress on the pump end, so I just bolted it down and rechecked. I got 3/8" right on the money. You have to shorten the bolt by a corresponding amount so it won't bottom. The hex piece screws on to a main cap bolt that has a stud on the back side. Be careful.

Next, I tackled the dipstick issue. I erroneously determined that the dipstick was hitting the bottom of the pan. Actually, it was hitting the Champ windage tray because there was no relief hole cut into it. I pit some machinist's dye where I thought it was hitting and ended up drilling a 1" hole like this.

http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad57/joe_leone/IMG_0589.jpg?t=1300840008

It's 2.125" from the end of the pan and 7.875" from the side.

http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad57/joe_leone/IMG_0589.jpg?t=1300840126

http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad57/joe_leone/IMG_0590.jpg?t=1300840160

As luck would have it, I also had to remove a small amount from the flange that forms the sump. Be careful not to damage the hinge on the trap door.

http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad57/joe_leone/IMG_0592.jpg?t=1300840241

So that's all there is to it. Dipstick might still have to be adjusted for length, but that's easy. The pickup fits well, and you have to remember to wash out the pan very well after you cut the holes.

[Cobra 302]

Joe I am glad you picked up on the dipstick issue with the windage tray.
I didn't until after I installed the pan.
Now I have to block off the oil dipstick hole on the block and use one of the oil pan bungs.

[David]

Looks good Joe.

Richard, you might want to ask Champ to move the baffle just a bit. Might be asking for trouble expecting people to clearance that thing.

David

[Richard Oben]

Already notified champ of the change. Richard.

[Richard Oben]

Buy now button is up but count on a month to deliver completed pans, Richard.

[Richard Oben]

If you want (glenn) or need (david) a pan order it NOW we are making a run and do not want to one time the guys to death. So if you think you want one in the next 6 months order it today. Richard.

[LuckyWinner]

I think I might be coming to the Coyote side, now that things are being solved by people smarter than me in this area. 5 months and counting!!!!

[Epps]

Hello: New to the fourm. I'm putting a Coyote into a 1969 BOSS 302 and need an oil pan. Can someone plaese provide me information on how deep the pan is from the bottom of the block?

Epps

[Richard Oben]

I think Joe said 2.125 inches shallower than the stock pan in the first photos. That is a TON shorter!

ORDER TODAY PLEASE, Richard.