Racelogic Traction Control Group-Buy (Re-done)

[timmy318]

Sorry about this. I messed up on the other thread and "forgot" to include the * Cylinder RLTCS options. So here we go again (sorry again). I see many people talking about a group-buy for the Race Logic Traction Control System (http://www.racelogic.co.uk/index.php/en/other-products/traction-control?start=6). If you click on the link, it goes to their price sheet. Just wondering how many people are actually interested in it.


Current Prices

818 Oriented:
$815 --- Adjustable Traction Control (Up to 6 Cyl) ABS
$815 --- ATC (Up to 6 Cyl) (TCWSSSET required)
$906 --- ATC (Up to 6 Cyl) + Launch Control ABS
$906 --- ATC (Up to 6 Cyl) + Launch Control (TCWSSSET required)
$1,060 --- ATC (Up to 6 Cyl) + Launch Control ABS + Digital Adjuster
$1,060 --- ATC (Up to 6 Cyl) + Launch Control + Digital Adjuster (TCWSSSET required)

Other FFR cars oriented:
$1,100 --- ATC (8 Cyl) + Launch Control + Data Logging ABS
$1,100 --- ATC (8 Cyl) + Launch Control + Data Logging + (TCWSSSET required)
$1,295 --- ATC (8 Cyl) + Launch Control + Data Logging ABS + Digital Adjuster
$1,295 --- ATC (8 Cyl) + Launch Control + Data Logging + Digital Adjuster (TCWSSSET required)


Accessories
$305 --- Digital Adjuster
$320 --- Digital Adjuster (Black)
$380 --- Set of 4 Wheel Speed Sensors (remember TCWSSSET, well this is it)
$152 --- Full Throttle Shift




Q & A

bromikl: Does the kit come with a dash light to indicate TC is taking corrective action?

If you have a look at Page 28 of the traction control manual, pin4 on connector B goes to ground when TC is active so you could have a little LED displayed on the dash.

FFR-ADV: Does the RLTCS work with the WRX stock ABS sensors or are the TCWSSSET sensors required for specific features such as Full Throttle Shift?

As long as the vehicle meets the following criteria, RLTC will work:
·Vehicle has high impedance injectors.
·Vehicle has standard abs wheel speed signals, not active ones. (if the vehicles don’t have ABS, we can supply separate wheel speed sensors and the ecus to match)
·The ECU controls the injectors with standard saturated signals. RLTC is not compatible with peak and hold or pulse width modulation.
Full throttle shift will work if you’ve connected to the standard wheel speed sensors.

DodgyTim: Can it be delivered to Australia?

Canadian818: How does LC work with the digi adjuster?

You can purchase a system with an analogue adjuster or a digital adjuster. To enable launch control on the digital adjuster, the user holds down the silver rotary knob for about 2 seconds until it says ‘Launch Control Activated’ on the screen.

Xusia: I data logging available for the 6 cylinder systems too?

The data logging feature is only available on the 8 Cylinder ECUs, they have on board RAM memory to do this. Unfortunately the 6 cylinder units to not have this feature. However, you can still do the same data logging if you connect the RLTC ECU to a laptop via RS232 cable, and run the graph function in the Traction Control software.

Here's a link to the digi adjuster manual (http://www.filedropper.com/digitaladjusterusermanual), and the RLTCS manual (http://www.filedropper.com/tractioncontrolmanualv32). Enjoy!

[longislandwrx]

My cobb already does launch control, and requires less wiring so straight up traction control for me...

I won't be ready for this thing for a few months now, as my build has already topped $30k

If pricing is unreal I may change my mind on it, but otherwise i'll be watching the other forums come the fall.

[Turboguy]

I imagine if you integrated ABS in your 818 build you would have to install a second set of sensors to feed the RaceLogic TC system?

[Xusia]

My understanding is that the RLTC system doesn't impede ABS, it just "snoops" the wheel speed data. So if you implement ABS on your 818, you should be able to use the RLTC system by using the ABS sensors.

[papajon1000]

^ Xusia-that is my understanding as well.

[Turboguy]

Are there any threads discussing implementation of ABS on these cars? I'm also curious if any aftermarket engine management solutions offer ABS and perhaps EBD processing as well? Could be great to have a tuneable/switchable ABS install !

[Kalstar]

I would be in on straight TC.

[Hazelwwp]

Are there any threads discussing implementation of ABS on these cars? I'm also curious if any aftermarket engine management solutions offer ABS and perhaps EBD processing as well? Could be great to have a tuneable/switchable ABS install !

My donar had ABS and I plan to use that.

[FFR-ADV]

I personally do not plan to use ABS, but simple depowered brakes, probably with the same Wilwood pedal set used in the 818R.

Does anyone know what would be involved in powering up the ABS sensors for the RLTCS to snoop on the individual wheel ABS signals? I expect it might be 12V accesory power, but this seems worth verifying.

Thanks again for working toward a group buy!

[papajon1000]

Maybe I misunderstood your question but ABS sensors produce their own voltage. I would imagine you could just use the voltage signal coming from the current abs sensor and input that into the racelogic unit.

[Hazelwwp]

I imagine if you integrated ABS in your 818 build you would have to install a second set of sensors to feed the RaceLogic TC system?

The ABS sensors should be able to drive both the ECU and the RaceLogic controller provided both the ECU and RaceLogic use high impedance inputs as would be expected for a voltage signal.

[FFR-ADV]

The ABS sensors should be able to drive both the ECU and the RaceLogic controller provided both the ECU and RaceLogic use high impedance inputs as would be expected for a voltage signal.

That is what I was looking for. So the ABS sensors connect to the ECU, not a separate ABS controller. If not the active/ passive and proper impedance would have mattered. So instead since I will not have ABS, I will just leave the ABS sensors connected to the ECU and tap the signal for the RLTCS.

Thank you for clarifying.

Cheers!

[Turboguy]

My donar had ABS and I plan to use that.


I wonder if using the factory ABS & EBD computer, which is programmed for use in a car with 4WD and a different F/R weigh bias, will make for an optimal system? I'm curious if there are programmers out there that re-write the code for these too.

[Xusia]

This has been covered previously (but then again, what HASN'T been covered previously! LOL), and someone knowledgeable (forget who) confirmed that ABS systems do not take things like vehicle weight into account. They monitor wheel speed and intervene accordingly.

[timmy318]

Just a small bump

[DodgyTim]

Presumably using the factory ABS will require the rolling diameters of front and rear wheels to be very near equal, or change the sensor count to accomodate the change

[narkosys]

In the software that comes with the system you can specify the tire diameters for the front and rear. They are labeled Reference for the front and Driving for the rears. So my best guess is that you can have differing diameters and the computer with make the appropriate corrections.

Best to call Race Logic and confirm though.

P

[timmy318]

Here's what somebody at RLTCS sent me:

"As long as the vehicle meets the following criteria, RLTC will work:
·Vehicle has high impedance injectors.
·Vehicle has standard abs wheel speed signals, not active ones. (if the vehicles don’t have ABS, we can supply separate wheel speed sensors and the ecus to match)
·The ECU controls the injectors with standard saturated signals. RLTC is not compatible with peak and hold or pulse width modulation.

Full throttle shift will work if you’ve connected to the standard wheel speed sensors.If you have a look at Page 28 of the traction control manual, pin4 on connector B goes to ground when TC is active so you could have a little LED displayed on the dash."

[Canadian818]

There should be an option, "interested, but no clue which one I need" cause I'd pick that one.

[Xusia]

^lol

[timmy318]

standard quantity breaks price structure from RLTCS:
- 1 unit = 15%
- 2-4 units = 20%
- 5-9 units = 25%
- 10+ units = 33%

[David Hodgkins]

Link to COCA (http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/announcement.php?f=2)

Timmy, I've been struggling with how to bring this up, but I'd like to make a comment regarding Group Buys.

Group Buys should go through a supporting vendor. I wanted to post the related part of the Code Of Conduct Agreement (COCA) that deals with Group Buys but discovered that it wasn't in there. So I've added a section that specifically states:

"Only Supporting vendors can advertise Group Buys. Exceptions MIGHT be allowed with Administrator approval if no vendors can be found to support the Group Buy."

In other words, if anyone wants to do a Group Buy, they MUST go through a Supporting Vendor, except in cases where no vendor can be found that will handle the Group Buy for the forum members. In those cases, a Group Buy must first be approved by the site Administrator (me). If anyone is interested in a Group Buy but doesn't know of a vendor who sells that product, get in touch with me and we'll track down a Supporting Vendor willing to set it up or make an arrangement to allow you to promote it yourself.

Going forward, this rule will be enforced. For THIS Group Buy however, we'll support your effort to get this done without demanding a vendor step in or that you become a vendor in order to facilitate the Group Buy.

:)

[THE ITALIAN]

Got a question for those who know TC well.

I saw a system on a car that measured the driveshaft rotation. the engine doesn't know which wheel is spinning at a diff. RPM, so ?
I am in on a group buy as well.

[WIS89]

David-

Makes sense and also pretty reasonable! Also very community focused...

Timmy-

Given the community here at FF Forums, do you think the folks at Racelogic would be willing to become a sponsor? The marketing guys there should be willing to do this, and probably equals a "rounding error" in their budget. I have to confess that their discount as you outlined above is pretty darned good!

If you need any help bringing them along, I will volunteer to help. I know it is presumptuous of me, but I would be happy to help if I can.

Regards,

Steve

[timmy318]

Link to COCA (http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/announcement.php?f=2)

Timmy, I've been struggling with how to bring this up, but I'd like to make a comment regarding Group Buys.

Group Buys should go through a supporting vendor. I wanted to post the related part of the Code Of Conduct Agreement (COCA) that deals with Group Buys but discovered that it wasn't in there. So I've added a section that specifically states:

"Only Supporting vendors can advertise Group Buys. Exceptions MIGHT be allowed with Administrator approval if no vendors can be found to support the Group Buy."

In other words, if anyone wants to do a Group Buy, they MUST go through a Supporting Vendor, except in cases where no vendor can be found that will handle the Group Buy for the forum members. In those cases, a Group Buy must first be approved by the site Administrator (me). If anyone is interested in a Group Buy but doesn't know of a vendor who sells that product, get in touch with me and we'll track down a Supporting Vendor willing to set it up or make an arrangement to allow you to promote it yourself.

Going forward, this rule will be enforced. For THIS Group Buy however, we'll support your effort to get this done without demanding a vendor step in or that you become a vendor in order to facilitate the Group Buy.

:)

Sorry about that! It won't happen again (without your approval that is)!

[mekohler]

This is looking promising, I have voted above and am ready to sign up.

[timmy318]

David-

Makes sense and also pretty reasonable! Also very community focused...

Timmy-

Given the community here at FF Forums, do you think the folks at Racelogic would be willing to become a sponsor? The marketing guys there should be willing to do this, and probably equals a "rounding error" in their budget. I have to confess that their discount as you outlined above is pretty darned good!

If you need any help bringing them along, I will volunteer to help. I know it is presumptuous of me, but I would be happy to help if I can.

Regards,

Steve

I've mentioned it to them and we'll see how it plays out. It'd be pretty good to have at least one person connected to RLTCS on here who knows it inside and out because I'm sure that once people get their systems more and more questions will start to come out! Also, on another note, if everyone who is interested in a RLTCS could send me a PM with the product # that corresponds to the system you want.

RLTC6A ---- Adjustable Traction Control (Up to 6 Cyl) ABS

RLTC6AW ---- Adjustable Traction Control (Up to 6 Cyl) (TCWSSSET required)

RLTC6AL ---- Adjustable Traction Control (Up to 6 Cyl) + Launch Control ABS

RLTC6ALW ---- Adjustable Traction Control (Up to 6 Cyl) + Launch Control (TCWSSSET required)

RLTC6DIA ---- Adjustable Traction Control (Up to 6 Cyl) + Launch Control ABS + Digital Adjuster

RLTC6DIAW ---- Adjustable Traction Control (Up to 6 Cyl) + Launch Control + Digital Adjuster (TCWSSSET required)

RLTC8ALD ---- Adjustable Traction Control (8 Cyl) + Launch Control + Data Logging ABS

RLTC8ALDW ---- Adjustable Traction Control (8 Cyl) + Launch Control + Data Logging + (TCWSSSET required)

RLTC8DIA ---- Adjustable Traction Control (8 Cyl) + Launch Control + Data Logging ABS + Digital Adjuster

RLTC8DIAW ---- Adjustable Traction Control (8 Cyl) + Launch Control + Data Logging + Digital Adjuster (TCWSSSET required)

Accessories will not be discounted (hasn't been discussed but I don't think they will). Below are the part # of the add-ons. If you do want any, please specify that they are add-ons.

TCDIA ---- Digital Adjuster

TCDIA ---- Digital Adjuster (BLACK)

TCWSSSET ---- Set of 4 Wheel Speed Sensors

TCCLUSHIFT ---- Full Throttle Shift

[Canadian818]

Finally looked over their site, very informative. I'm assuming if you get the digital adjuster you'll have two controllers? The digi adjuster is just for fine tuning? Cause there's no big launch button on it.

[narkosys]

you can order it with the digital adjuster instead of the analog one. (look at the product description, it will say + Digital Adjuster on it). as for launch control I think with the digital version you just push the adjuster knob as opposed to pushing a separate button.

P

[timmy318]

Finally looked over their site, very informative. I'm assuming if you get the digital adjuster you'll have two controllers? The digi adjuster is just for fine tuning? Cause there's no big launch button on it.

Look in the OP.

[timmy318]

I added the manual for both the Digi adjuster (430 KB), and the RLTCS system (2.3 MB). They're both PDF's and I hosted them on a website. Let me know if there's a problem accessing them.

[BrandonDrums]

My cobb already does launch control, and requires less wiring so straight up traction control for me...

I won't be ready for this thing for a few months now, as my build has already topped $30k

If pricing is unreal I may change my mind on it, but otherwise i'll be watching the other forums come the fall.

I forgot about the traction control function on the Cobb's. Probably not very popular for WRX drivers but I think that will be immensely popular for 818 folks.

For all the others, Cobb Accessports also provide launch control, flatfoot shifting and full real-time engine management with the ability to switch between tunes on the fly.

They are amazing little devices to say the least.

[Evan78]

I forgot about the traction control function on the Cobb's. Probably not very popular for WRX drivers but I think that will be immensely popular for 818 folks.

For all the others, Cobb Accessports also provide launch control, flatfoot shifting and full real-time engine management with the ability to switch between tunes on the fly.

They are amazing little devices to say the least.Traction control on the AccessPort? I assume you meant the launch control (LC) feature that is a secondary rev limiter.

To elaborate further on what Brandon said, the Cobb LC will set the rev limiter to whatever you want when the car is stationary, clutch is depressed, and accelerator pedal is floored. Once the clutch is released, the rev limit will return to normal. I don't believe there is any traction control function that will actively limit wheelspin.

[Hazelwwp]

What is the procedure for placing an order for a group buy? Do we just place an order at list price and then RaceLogic keeps up with how many orders have been placed and then send out refunds based on the number ordered? Or does someone collect the money from those interested and then place a single order for several systems? Has anyone defined how this group buy will work?

[timmy318]

What is the procedure for placing an order for a group buy? Do we just place an order at list price and then RaceLogic keeps up with how many orders have been placed and then send out refunds based on the number ordered? Or does someone collect the money from those interested and then place a single order for several systems? Has anyone defined how this group buy will work?

The plan for the group-buy is this. Once everyone PM’s me their email and the product # corresponding to the system & add-on(s), I will email out a payment method (pay-pal, or personal check). The requirement will be 1/2 up-front for the total of your order. Once everyone has paid, the systems and add-on(s) will be ordered. Once they’re in, the other half of the payment (plus shipping) and a shipping address of the buyer will be required. Once that is done, the system will be shipped out to the buyer. On another note, my inbox was full so I wasn't receiving anyone's pm's. I've cleared it out now.

[SixStar]

Traction control on the AccessPort? I assume you meant the launch control (LC) feature that is a secondary rev limiter.

To elaborate further on what Brandon said, the Cobb LC will set the rev limiter to whatever you want when the car is stationary, clutch is depressed, and accelerator pedal is floored. Once the clutch is released, the rev limit will return to normal. I don't believe there is any traction control function that will actively limit wheelspin.

Correct. LC is NOT TC. This is a launch limiter. No WRX has traction control with or without a COBB. The only way is to add it with a stand alone system.

Another thing to think about. Full throttle shift, drive by wire power limiting etc is ONLY for the 06-07 DBW cars. These will not work with the 02-05 traditional cable throttle bodies. Those systems will pull power by killing injectors. Just something to think about.

[C.Plavan]

I'll let the Guinea pigs try it out first.

[timmy318]

I'll let the Guinea pigs try it out first.

Lol, thanks for that! On another note, remember, the poll was just to see how many people where actually interested in buying one of their systems. Now, if you actually want to be in on the group-buy I need your email and the product # of the system(s) you want and add-on(s) you would like to order.

[Canadian818]

how soon are you expecting to order? I'm interested, but I don't think i need it so far in advance.

[timmy318]

how soon are you expecting to order? I'm interested, but I don't think i need it so far in advance.

As soon as everyone interested in it PM's me their email & corresponding product #. Then, I'll email everyone for 1/2 payment via Pay-Pal or personal check (preferably the PC). Then systems are ordered, rest of the payment is due, and then the systems will be shipped to the buyer. I'd like to have everyone's choices done by July but I doubt that that will happen so I'm shooting for mid August to have everyone's email and start accepting payment. BUT, it depends on how long it takes people to PM me. If I have 1 month of inactivity of no PM's or posts or interest in this group-buy (or once around 25 are committed but I will give notice that the GB is closing) I will proceed with the people that have PM'd me with their email and product #. At that point, no other orders will be taken because of the ample time given. If I had to give a time slot to the last I will take an order would be late August or early September (don't quote me on that)! If anyone has anymore questions please either post here or PM me! Happy Father's day to all!

[timmy318]

I've decided to make a little plan for people to see how this group-buy will work. I've gotten questions on how so here it is:

1: First, PM me your email, product # of the system(s) and add-on(s). I will add you to the spread-sheet where your FFF name, email, and product # is listed.

2: Once a certain amount of time has passed and/or a certain number of people have signed up, I will post here on the thread that the Group-Buy will be closing in X-weeks (most likely 1). After that I will close the Group-Buy.

3: Now I will send out an email to everyone who signed up and re-confirm their order. Next I will request that 1/2 of the total will payed via either PayPal or Personal Check (preferably PC). The way I would like for people to respond is with their FFF name, preferred payment method, and either a reconfirm or stating the change be made (last chance to do it).* See below

4: Once everyone's payment has cleared I will order the system(s) and desired add-on(s). **

5: They will be shipped to my address. When they arrive I will require the rest of the payment+shipping (will not be 1/2 since the discount will be factored in & the buyer can choose if he wants first class mail, snail mail, or whatever other ways there are to ship things now-adays). I will repackage them and ship them out to the buyer once payment has been received. *** See Below

6: This is the final and most important step. I will be requiring you to have fun building your FFR car and implementing a RLTCS and make you do the horrible, horrible thing of posting some videos and/or photos of your build!


*If anything arises (you want to change your system, and/or add-on(s) or cancel it) please let me know in advance. If you do decide to cancel (or change) your order either when I order the system or after the reconfirmation a penalty of $100 will be added to your order (if the order is changed/canceled, if not, no penalty will be applied). That's really just there to discourage major changes and to give me a little time to figure out what the total discount will be and how that affects each persons order. If something does come up, just PM me and if there's a valid reason we'll see what we can do.

**If the discounts were regarding each individual system then a firm price could be set. But, since it is based on the total order I could not give any estimate until the Group-Buy is closed and I know how many systems are being ordered, which ones, etc... Before any payment is made however, I will have a close estimate to the savings the buyer will be receiving. If the buyer chooses to back out at that point & time because he is not satisfied with the discount he/she is receiving, he/she has the right to do so. Regarding the payment, 1/2 of the original system price will still be required (ie, the RLTC6DIA cost $1,060 originally so $530 will be due). Once the systems have been bought and are in, the buyer will ned to pay the rest of the system (in the RLTC6DIA case an extra $180 plus shipping if 10 systems are bought).

***I will be providing a tracking # if possible. I would like it that when you receive your package that you PM or email me that you have received your package. Once in the hand of the shipping company, my responsibility for the product is over. If something does happen to it en-route I will not be responsible for the damages. This is not to scare people off (I have complete faith in all the shipping companies, except FED-EX, if the buyer would prefer a specific carrier I would be more than happy to accommodate that wish). If something does happen to the product en-route I will however do everything I can to get things sorted out.

[timmy318]

Also, some people are asking if it's possible to receive the black controller instead of the standard silver/aluminum one. If you would like this, be prepared to pay an extra $15 or so (I haven't heard back from RLTCS on how much the switch would be but that's how much the price difference is on their website. I hope to hear back today or tomorrow. If you would like this, please specify that.

[fastthings]

Hi guys,

I have the 6 cylinder, black digital controler, launch controll, and the speed sensors, for my GTM. OH, wait, my GTM is a V8.

I baught this of a guy who baught it from a group buy. It's been sitting waiting to be installed on my GTM. Well last weekend I went to install it and noticed it's for a 6 cylinder. All brand new never installed, with all manuals.

I will give someone a hell of a deal if they buy the equivalant in the 8 cylinder model, then trade me. You pay me the deal price, for what I have, and I pay for your order for the V8 model. I could post pics. PM me if your interested.

Gene

[Turboguy]

Did I miss the post where we were told how much these things will end up costing us?


Also, I thought group buys were normally arranged by the manufacturer themselves or at least by a authorized dealer of the product?

[timmy318]

Did I miss the post where we were told how much these things will end up costing us?


Also, I thought group buys were normally arranged by the manufacturer themselves or at least by a authorized dealer of the product?

RLTCS said they would only take an order, no group buy unless one order is placed. I also reached out to RacelogicUSA who said I should contact Woodhouse Motorsports in Nebraska about a Group-Buy (RLUSA decided to only support the product not sell it due to the number of dealers already in the US). Woodhouse Motorsports in Nebraska is the biggest RLTCS dealer in the US and they said they couldn't do anything. I then contacted a RL directly in the UK and they said a group0buy was possible only in the way it's happening right now (one person orders all of the systems and then ships them out to the other buyers). Believe me, I would've loved to have not done it the other way and saved the stress but IMHO it's worth the savings. If 10 RLTC6DIA (ATC 6 Cyl+LC+DA) systems are bought for $1,060 each that would be a total of $10,600 (plus s&p). With the 33% discount on the order that would translate to a $3,500 discount on the order. In turn, each person would receive a $350 discount on their system. So instead of costing $1,060 it'll cost you $710 (cheaper than buying their cheapest system). Currently there are 7 (all for the RLTC6DIA (ATC 6 Cyl+LC+DA) system) people signed on for the Group-Buy. That would translate to a grand total order (no add-on(s) included) of $7,420. With the 25% discount that is a savings of $1,855 on the order. Translates to roughly a $265 in savings per system. Below is what they sent me regarding a price-break on a group-buy. It all depends on how many people sign on for the Group-Buy. If the discounts were regarding each individual system then a firm price could be set. But, since it is based on the total order I could not give any estimate until the Group-Buy is closed and I know how many systems are being ordered, which ones, etc... Before any payment is made however, I will have a close estimate to the savings the buyer will be receiving. If the buyer chooses to back out at that point & time because he is not satisfied with the discount he/she is receiving, he/she has the right to do so. Regarding the payment, 1/2 of the original system price will still be required (ie, the RLTC6DIA cost $1,060 originally so $530 will be due). Once the systems have been bought and are in, the buyer will need to pay the rest of the system (in the RLTC6DIA case an extra $180 plus shipping if 10 systems are bought). If anyone has any questions at all, please feel free to ask!

- 1 unit = 15%
- 2-4 units = 20%
- 5-9 units = 25%
- 10+ units = 33%

[SixStar]

Maybe I missed it.... are these systems compatible with both the 02-05 throttle cable AND the 06-07 drive by wire systems?

[Xusia]

Only 7? Wow. I thought with all the responses to the survey there would more people getting in on it.

So we only need 3 more people to get the max discount? Come on people! There HAS to be 3 more who want one!

[07FIREBLADE]

I want to jump in but I need to figure out which unit to order right now

[timmy318]

Only 7? Wow. I thought with all the responses to the survey there would more people getting in on it.

So we only need 3 more people to get the max discount? Come on people! There HAS to be 3 more who want one!

I would've thought so too. Nobody else has PM'd me with their email & desired system. The only reason the Poll was created to see how many people where actually interested in a group-buy. If anyone has ANY questions at all regarding the group-buy, I say again PLEASE contact me!!! I really would like to get this system with a nice discount and I'm sure there are other people who want the same! 28 people responded to my poll..... I'd expect that at least half of them were actually serious enough to buy a system. Also, that 7 also includes me.... So, technically only 6 people have responded in seriousness. If 3 more people do not sign onto this group-buy it will not happen. I don't want to do this but the deadline for 3 people to sign on is July 1. If 3 people do sign before or at that time the group-buy will go on and other people will be able to join until I think it is time to close the GB (sometime in august most likely). If the 10 system goal isn't met by that time, the GB will not happen. I will sincerely apologize if that does happen.

[timmy318]

I want to jump in but I need to figure out which unit to order right now

Do you have any questions/concerns? I've been emailing back and forth with a sales tech at RLTC.uk and he's happy to answer or address any question and/or concerns you may have.

[Evan78]

Has this been crossposted in the other forums?

Maybe you'll see more participation once some 818's go out.

Participants should kick in a few extra bucks for Timmy's time.

[Xusia]

7 people seems enough for a 25% discount. That's not as good as 33%, but still worth it to me.

[timmy318]

Has this been crossposted in the other forums?

Maybe you'll see more participation once some 818's go out.

Participants should kick in a few extra bucks for Timmy's time.

Appreciate it but I'm trying to make it as cheap as possible to get that's systems out to people. I might keep the extra $1 if my rounding is a bit off but actually demanding some money, no, building this 818 is supposed to be a cost affordable car that has the ability to kick other super cars butts which cost 10 times what this costs. The whole reason for this group-buy was so it would be cheaper to implement the RLTCS on the 818 and make it safer/more fun to build. I realize I overreacted on the previous post and I will not be canceling the group-buy if nobody else joins. I just vented a little bit. For everyone that has already PM'd me with there info thank you and you are on the list! Also, remember that this is on all of their systems and not just for the 818 (even though it kinda was started for that specific reason). The 8 Cyl systems can also be ordered just like the 6 Cyl ones with no hidden cost, fees, or whatever. The only fees that the buyer must pay for are;
- The System & Add-on(s)
- Shipping
I thought about posting on the other forum but never got around to it. If anyone knows of any interest on it lemme know and I'll do something

[mekohler]

Thank you Timmy318 for getting this going. I would like to see more people sign up, but if not I am still in.

[Xusia]

Same here.

[Turboguy]

Perhaps rather than rushing into this we should wait a bit before putting the group buy together?


I mean it will be September or October before a decent number of people even HAVE these things in their garages to work on! I have a feeling we'd be looking at 20-30 units easily by the time you hit late fall. Also, have you looked into whether there will be any duties or tariffs applicable on these?

[Xusia]

That's a good point. In a month or 2 there may be several more people interested. I can wait, but if others can't, I'm good to go soon as well.

[Hazelwwp]

I noticed there have been some questions concerning whether the RaceLogic traction control will work with older models that do not use an electronic throttle.

It should not matter since the traction controller does not control the throttle. It works by interrupting the fuel injection pulse. The traction controller is wired between the ECU and the fuel injector. The fuel injector pulse from the ECU is sent to the traction controller, then on to the fuel injector. The traction controller can pass the signal through or stop it – essentially creating a misfire.

Following is a quote from the RaceLogic website (emphasis mine). You should read further here (http://www.racelogic.co.uk/index.php/en/other-products/traction-control?start=3).


“The system works by monitoring the speed of all four wheels using the ABS system or specially fitted sensors. When wheel spin is detected the engine power is reduced, by cutting a single injector pulse, until grip is resumed. This occurs in a thousandth of a second, and appears to the driver as a slight misfire with no loss in acceleration.”

Following is another quote from the RaceLogic website. You should read further here (http://www.racelogic.co.uk/index.php/en/other-products/traction-control?start=4).

“Racelogic Traction Control is suitable for petrol-engined cars that have electronic fuel injection. The system is integrated with the car’s injector signal wires – so the signals are always passing through the Traction ECU. A suitable RPM signal must also be connected.

However the following conditions make it incompatible:
• Misfire detection: If your engine management acts upon detecting misfires by putting the vehicle into limp-home mode, or illuminating the check-engine dashboard lamp, RLTC cannot be used unless the misfire detection function is disabled. This can be done in some cases by ECU tuning specialists.
• Pulse width modulation to control/limit the injector current.
• Peak and hold injector drivers.
• Injector resistance lower than 4ohms.”

You can download the manual here (http://www.racelogic.co.uk/index.php/en/other-products/traction-control?start=4). It looks to me like a pretty simple installation but being an Electrical Engineer may influence my perception.

[Evan78]

Appreciate it but I'm trying to make it as cheap as possible to get that's systems out to people. I might keep the extra $1 if my rounding is a bit off but actually demanding some money, no, building this 818 is supposed to be a cost affordable car that has the ability to kick other super cars butts which cost 10 times what this costs. The whole reason for this group-buy was so it would be cheaper to implement the RLTCS on the 818 and make it safer/more fun to build. I realize I overreacted on the previous post and I will not be canceling the group-buy if nobody else joins. I just vented a little bit. For everyone that has already PM'd me with there info thank you and you are on the list! Also, remember that this is on all of their systems and not just for the 818 (even though it kinda was started for that specific reason). The 8 Cyl systems can also be ordered just like the 6 Cyl ones with no hidden cost, fees, or whatever. The only fees that the buyer must pay for are;
- The System & Add-on(s)
- Shipping
I thought about posting on the other forum but never got around to it. If anyone knows of any interest on it lemme know and I'll do somethingI meant cross post to other subforums (GTM, Roadster, etc) here on thefactoryfiveforum.com. I would expect more participation from those guys since the numbers are greater.

As far as your compensation, I wasn't suggesting you ask or demand it, I was speaking to those that participate in the group buy. If I were a participant, I'd add in a little extra as a thank you for saving me a bunch of money.

[FFR-ADV]

Thread Bump...

I am one of the seven. Hopefully a few more (3+) will join as this is a great deal for all involved.

Thanks timmy318,

Cheers!

Cheers!

[timmy318]

Well, I've talked to RLTCS some more and I have some set prices once we're above 10 systems (not totally set due to the constantly changing exchange rate from pounds to dollars, but it'll be close). I'm about to cross post into the other sub-forums and maybe even onto ffcars.com. If people are willing to wait till September so more people can get in on the GB then I'm willing to wait till them. Thinking about driving up to Wareham and picking up the 818 on the 6 July (that's what my ship date is at least). So around September-November that's when I would probably like the system to be in hand. As of now there are 9 people. PM me people!

[FFR-ADV]

Hi timmy318,

Its getting very close, my 818 in September and a RLTCS.... I will patiently wait for the RLTCS as NH winters are not prime 818 driving season.

I also put some threads in the other forums to cross link to this thread. It would be a shame for anyone to miss out by not knowing about it.

Cheers!

[timmy318]

Hi timmy318,

Its getting very close, my 818 in September and a RLTCS.... I will patiently wait for the RLTCS as NH winters are not prime 818 driving season.

I also put some threads in the other forums to cross link to this thread. It would be a shame for anyone to miss out by not knowing about it.

Cheers!

Yeah... I just noticed that. Oops! I did the same thing :p! Oh well, I guess the more the merrier! Good point about the weather, here in KY it's not that bad if you have a jacket or something to keep you warm and the heaters/defroster on full blast.

[FFR-ADV]

Thats funny

If it weren't for snow and ice (and dreaded salt) heated motorcycle jacket and pants liners could extend the season. A cool suit could do the same in hot climates for the summer. I might need some tracks for some parts of the country not just an LSD and RLTCS;

19011

The folks in San Diego an the like climates can enjoy a laugh as a bad weather day there is a wonderful day in most places.

Cheers!

[timmy318]

Thats funny

If it weren't for snow and ice (and dreaded salt) heated motorcycle jacket and pants liners could extend the season. A cool suit could do the same in hot climates for the summer. I might need some tracks for some parts of the country not just an LSD and RLTCS;

19011

The folks in San Diego an the like climates can enjoy a laugh as a bad weather day there is a wonderful day in most places.

Cheers!

Lol!

[Albo33]

I'm interested in this as well but ill let you know

[wleehendrick]

The folks in San Diego an the like climates can enjoy a laugh as a bad weather day there is a wonderful day in most places.

LOL... I do plan to drive my 818 year round, but have an Audi Quattro as back-up for our 'bad weather days' (and ski trips)!

[spytech]

Just wanted to post to say that the RL TC system is an awesome setup. I installed it on my GTM last summer (details and pics at http://www.gtm-supercar.com/) so if anyone has any questions, feel free to ask.

[metros]

I would be interested but I'm not at the point where I can make informed decisions. If you were going to keep collecting interested parties until September then you could put me down. In the mean time I have a lot of learning on what exactly I need.

[FFR-ADV]

Just wanted to post to say that the RL TC system is an awesome setup. I installed it on my GTM last summer (details and pics at http://www.gtm-supercar.com/) so if anyone has any questions, feel free to ask.

Thank you for sharing your first hand RLTCS GTM experience. Your website is very helpful and you have a sweet GTM. I think this group buy provides a great opportunity for all of the Factory Five car builders and owners across the forum which is why I provide links in the other sections of the forum.

Cheers!

[timmy318]

Found some more info today regarding shipping the systems. Apparently they ship the systems in up to 10 a box. The shipping would be just under $520 for 20 systems. The add-ons will also fit into the boxes with the systems so a separate box will not be required. Also, bump :p!

[Jordan Innovations]

Hey guys, we've been active on FFCars but apparently didn't have an account on FactoryFiveForum, my name is Jeff Jordan and I run Jordan Innovations here in Southern California. Got a call from a gentleman on this forum today about Racelogics and figured I could chime in and lend a hand.


Woodhouse Motorsports in Nebraska is the biggest RLTCS dealer in the US and they said they couldn't do anything.

To my knowledge we're the only race shop in the US that's actively selling/installing Racelogics in North America, Rick from Woodhouse actually just bought a unit from me this week lol. We've done group buys on NoRotors for the swapped RX7 guys and a big one on Bimmerforums last year, and it looks like you guys are rolling right along here.

The pricing structure you've posted is a 'best case' scenario, you'll need to pay in GBP rather than USD so there's a currency conversion fee charged by your credit card or bank, and you'll need to pay a credit card or bank transfer fee. Then there's the DHL Express shipping, which is pricey to get the units to the person organizing a group buy, and US Customs will send you a bill (via DHL) for importing $k's worth of merchandise from the UK. Then you get to ship the units out to wherever they're going lol, it gets up there.

I'll try to keep an eye on this thread and help answer questions, I think this is a great product and we've been working with Racelogic to support them in the US/Canada for years.

[Xusia]

That's too funny. I found your webpage and was going to call. someone beat me to it!

I assume then, you don't have units in stock?

[timmy318]

Hey guys, we've been active on FFCars but apparently didn't have an account on FactoryFiveForum, my name is Jeff Jordan and I run Jordan Innovations here in Southern California. Got a call from a gentleman on this forum today about Racelogics and figured I could chime in and lend a hand.



To my knowledge we're the only race shop in the US that's actively selling/installing Racelogics in North America, Rick from Woodhouse actually just bought a unit from me this week lol. We've done group buys on NoRotors for the swapped RX7 guys and a big one on Bimmerforums last year, and it looks like you guys are rolling right along here.

The pricing structure you've posted is a 'best case' scenario, you'll need to pay in GBP rather than USD so there's a currency conversion fee charged by your credit card or bank, and you'll need to pay a credit card or bank transfer fee. Then there's the DHL Express shipping, which is pricey to get the units to the person organizing a group buy, and US Customs will send you a bill (via DHL) for importing $k's worth of merchandise from the UK. Then you get to ship the units out to wherever they're going lol, it gets up there.

I'll try to keep an eye on this thread and help answer questions, I think this is a great product and we've been working with Racelogic to support them in the US/Canada for years.

Yea. Sadly it does. The pricing is for the systems only. The current currency exchange rate for pounds/dollars is 1.52. I wish I was buying this stuff from amazon... Free shipping :p!

[bromikl]

Jordan Innovations, is your company set up as an FFR vendor?

[Jordan Innovations]

That's too funny. I found your webpage and was going to call. someone beat me to it!

I assume then, you don't have units in stock?

I don't currently keep 6cyl units in stock, but usually I have at least one RLTC6DIA and RLTC8DIA in stock with digital adjusters.


Jordan Innovations, is your company set up as an FFR vendor?

I'm not, which is something I'll look into here but realistically if Timmy can put the GB together and everyone is comfortable handing him their cash, that'd be your cheapest route. I'm happy to offer technical help where I can, and answer any questions you guys may have.

[David Hodgkins]

JI,

I'd take a look at the following:
http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/content.php?124-vendors

Pricing to become a vendor here is extremely reasonable!

Please take a look and give Dave Lindsey at Factory Five a call. Timmy has special permission to set up this group buy, but chiming in and offering purchasing advice is not appropriate, sorry. If supporting the forum is not an option for you then you should coordinate with Timmy offline.

[Jordan Innovations]

David, thanks for the head's up, checked out the vendor page and sent Dave @ FF an email. Cheers :)

[metros]

Not to derail the thread any further, but Jordan Innovations is well respected on the LS rx7 forums and provides a lot of information to the community. He would be a great addition here and for the 818 in general.

Back on topic.

[timmy318]

Bump:
Below are the links for the coupe, GTM, & '33. They're all the same but I just posted them in the sub-forums to get more attention. People are still trickling in bit by bit so the GB hasn't closed yet. Stewart Transport is supposed to be picking my 818 up sometime this week (hopefully tomorrow) and it should be arriving in my neighborhood by the end of next week :D!
- RLTCS Group-Buy Options for the GTM (http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showthread.php?10634-RLTCS-for-GTM&highlight=rltcs)
- RLTCS Group-Buy Options for the Roadster (http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showthread.php?10631-RLTCS-For-Roadsters&highlight=rltcs)
- RLTCS Group-Buy Options for the Coupe (http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showthread.php?10632-RLTCS-for-65-Coupe&highlight=rltcs)
- RLTCS Group-Buy Options for the '33 (http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showthread.php?10633-RLTCS-for-33-Hot-Rod&highlight=rltcs)

[timmy318]

Another bump! It hasn't closed yet but nobody has signed on for a while now. People have PM'd me about waiting and seeing so that's what I've been doing. Just wondering if there's anyone out there who would still like to get in on this deal!

[FFR-ADV]

Hi timmy318,

I am still in on this. How many people are currently signed up?

Thank you for coordinating this group buy!

[timmy318]

Hi timmy318,

I am still in on this. How many people are currently signed up?

Thank you for coordinating this group buy!

Not at my computer now but if my memory serves me correct if was around 15. I'd like to get it as close to 10, 20, 30, etc... Because when shipped, the box 10 systems in one box. They can still box 5 systems in a box but I'd like as many people to take advantage of this as possible.

EDIT: If anyone has any questions please PM me or post here!!!!

[timmy318]

Bump! Need one more person in on this deal and them we're good to go (ten to a box)! If no-one else signs on, then by the end of this week I'll send out an email to all those in on it and get the ball rolling.

[DJ Toothman]

I am building a GTM and am using an LS376 and new corvette hub with built in sensors. Do I need to purchase the 4 wheel sensors still? I am wanting the tc with the digital adjuster. Also do we have the choice on the black or silver adjuster as well? Hopefully I posted this in time to get in on this.

[timmy318]

I am building a GTM and am using an LS376 and new corvette hub with built in sensors. Do I need to purchase the 4 wheel sensors still? I am wanting the tc with the digital adjuster. Also do we have the choice on the black or silver adjuster as well? Hopefully I posted this in time to get in on this.

No to the 4 wheel speed sensors due to the integrated sensors. You have a choice of either black or silver/aluminum. I talked with RLTCS (not sure if I mentioned this before) and switching out the standard silver controller to the black one won't cost anything (free :D)! Just PM me the parts number (found on page 2) of the system you want and any add-on(s). Also, please include an email address that I can reach you at!

[FFR-ADV]

I talked with RLTCS (not sure if I mentioned this before) and switching out the standard silver controller to the black one won't cost anything (free :D)!

Wow, that is great news timmy318!

Your build is coming nicely! I pick up my kit in September.

Cheers!

[perlionex]

Hey, any update on this?

[timmy318]

Hey, any update on this?

Sent out an email with the pricing yesterday!

[hIGGI]

Is this group buy still going on?

Looking for RLTC8DIA + black controller.

[DodgyTim]

I believe they are being delivered now, so I think you are too late:(L

[Martin]

So who else got in on this? Any results? Any thoughts on it?

Mine arrived, looks pretty, is sitting in it's box until I recover from the storms over here. Was surprised at how small it all was.

Martin

[Xusia]

OOOOH! Then mine should be arriving soon too! Of course, I'm months from having a running car...

[lifunfe]

Has everyone received their traction control? Mine has not and have not been able to reach Timmy.

[DodgyTim]

Mine got delivered all the way to Australia mid last week, looks good and I'm itching to try it:cool:

[lifunfe]

Good to hear. I am relatively early in my build and am looking forward to seeing how well this traction control system performs on the 818.

[Scargo]

Not buying anything when I don't know what a "TCWSSSET" is... and can't find any info on it.

[Xusia]

OMG, I'm laughing hard. TCWSSSET is their part number for Traction Control Wheel Speed Sensor SET (SET meaning you get all four wheel speed sensors). If your donor has ABS you can use those sensors and save the money.

[timmy318]

Good to hear. I am relatively early in my build and am looking forward to seeing how well this traction control system performs on the 818.

I've been trying to contact you and two other people as their systems have been sitting here. I guess the emails haven't been going through. Anyways, I sent you a PM earlier today when I saw the post with some details and the shipping quote. And yes, as Xusia said, the TCWSSET arr the Racelogic Wheel Speed Senors and are not required to be purchased with the system (if you already have the sensors). My builds straying to pick up again (haven't upgraded my build thread in forever), some new and exciting news still to come!

[lifunfe]

PM sent

[WIS89]

Tim-

I have sent several e-mails and PMs and haven't received my system or info. Any update?

Regards,

Steve

[bbjones121]

Anyone have running 818s with these yet? Videos? Pretty Please....

[gpaterson]

I am interested also as to how the RLTC works on the track and road. Anybody got one working yet?

[mekohler]

I have it installed and I have driven my car in the driveway and it appears to work. On 0 slippage it and on crap tires (spares) it will almost cut the engine off. If you dial up the slippage it seems to do a great job. I am not in a location I can drive around the neighborhood, so I will let you know more once I can take it out. You can see video here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4m6LFE4c0hY

The traction control was set to no slippage for the first couple and that is why it shuts down so fast. The last time it was off.

[bbjones121]

Thanks for the reply mekohler.

[bbjones121]

Anyone else with this traction control module yet? I have yet to find anyone besides FFR posting any racing videos.

Any drag runs yet? Every couple of months I could have my 818 (if it were built yet) going to Bandimere speedway. Hasn't anyone run there car yet?

[bbjones121]

Hey Timmy, Can you get me on the next order for the ATC (Up to 6 Cyl) + Launch Control ABS?